[Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10

[3ku11]

2 hours ago, Lagernisse said:

I don't think TPTB would divorce them either, but I'm not happy that they have put Raj in 4A, knowing what has happen before between Raj and Penny.

I will be so pissed if TPTB take that route again.  

I really hope that  the writers can come up with anything else than fights and drama for the next 48 episodes for Lenny, but my expectations are low at the moment. 

Really? Come on. The only reason Penny and Raj happened. Because of the Leonard Priya plot. It was a plot device. Bit of stretch to suggest almost seven years later. Penny a married woman, living with Leonard. Would do that again. I personally don't see an issue with Raj living at 4A. 1. It could be one episode 2. It's no different to Sheldon in his room.

Edited February 25, 2017 by 3ku11

[Stephen Hawking]

On 2/22/2017 at 11:50 PM, vonmar said:

We know how Sheldon loves to dress for a role he is taking on, so of course he put one on.

As demonstrated by The Flaming Spittoon Acquisition.

Also, the episode he took on the role of boyfriend.

 

 

On 2/22/2017 at 6:17 PM, Kathy2611 said:

If it's something you wouldn't do in front of your SO (anything physical with another person), then it's cheating.

I wouldn't have a prostate examination in front of my SO, but I wouldn't consider that to be cheating.  

Edited February 25, 2017 by Stephen Hawking

[bbtfan07]

I know we have not seen everything that happens to the gang since we only get 20 minutes at a time, but I still can't believe Penny had not been to comic con even once since she has been with Leonard for five years. 

 

[Itwasdestined]

I know we have not seen everything that happens to the gang since we only get 20 minutes at a time, but I still can't believe Penny had not been to comic con even once since she has been with Leonard for five years. 
 

I've been to 15 comic cons in Australia and my wife has never come. Absolutely pointless for her to do so if she has no interest.

And now I leave before I have to read another post about Raj and Penny ( the only reason I hate 4.24 is because of the baseless angst it has cause for 6 years in this forum) and Lenny getting divorced (OMG enough!)


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[Capt. Hilts]

8 hours ago, joyceraye said:

I don't think we're supposed to think it happened. I took it as one of those jokes Lenny make like cracking a car window, putting him to bed early and worrying he'll wake up in the middle of the night and want to play, getting gum out of his hair or giving him a puzzle book. 

Same here.

7 hours ago, Sah said:

Yes...back to common interests. I support this idea. Fully. What do they both have in common? They both love to help others. Aside from that not much. I think they should do something or start something together where they can be charitable somehow. Volunteer somewhere. A high school mentorship thing perhaps?  Traveling? I really like the idea of them taking a class together

 

Building on joycerae's comment [I don't know if I spelled that correctly.]...I agree with these posts.  Leonard and Penny need to do something they both enjoy doing or find worthwhile.  All these years later, we still don't know what, if anything, are their common interests or what they like to do together, other than sex.  They are, in many ways, a mirror image of Sheldon and Amy, who seem to have much in common in their weird way.  You can imagine them sitting down and watching "Nova" together.  Not so with Penny and Leonard.   Getting them involved in some common endeavor would be a great idea and a way to expand their story arc beyond their relationship.

6 hours ago, Tensor said:

In the tag of the episode where Lenny got the RA, it was specifically mentioned that Penny, if questioned, can't say things are fine, if they aren't.  In the Thursday show, Leonard asked if Penny wanted to go, and Penny agreed to go, even though she didn't want to go. A violation of the RA.  So, the writers don't even follow their own show, as this was just over a month ago.  Again, the RA was simply a way to get more Sheldon into that particular episode.  

But the smile on Penny's face as she initialed it to verify that she's accept Leonard in 'as is' condition was priceless.  Really great.

[Chrismo]

8 hours ago, Sah said:

Curious, could you could elaborate on this...specifically, what interactions have they had to lead you to believe this? Penny is much more of a mom or sister figure to him. Sheldon himself has said that he does not consider Penny in any sort of romantic way, more of a nanny. The only woman that Sheldon has ever expressed interest in is Amy. I am always interested in what Shenny fans see. IMO, Leonard and Penny will always be together. Even the best relationships have an ebb and flow. Hang in there. Your ship is not sinking...

Where is this divorce talk coming from? Did I miss some big conversation between Lenny? 

I don't think Lenny will divorced the topic has been brought by others. I think it's obvious, at least to me, the two most popular characters are Sheldon and Penny. Advertising for the show, fan fiction stories tend to show Shenny. Again I don't think it's going to happen especially with new contracts but I don't think the idea was out of left field.

[JohnPhD]

6 hours ago, Lagernisse said:

I don't think TPTB would divorce them either, but I'm not happy that they have put Raj in 4A, knowing what has happen before between Raj and Penny.

I will be so pissed if TPTB take that route again.  

I really hope that  the writers can come up with anything else than fights and drama for the next 48 episodes for Lenny, but my expectations are low at the moment. 

In 424 Penny thought she had lost Leonard to Priya and by the time Raj took her to bed she was  too drunk to know what she was doing. We haven't seen her drunk for several seasons now. I think (hope) Drunk Penny is over.

[Chrismo]

7 hours ago, Sah said:

Yes...back to common interests. I support this idea. Fully. What do they both have in common? They both love to help others. Aside from that not much. I think they should do something or start something together where they can be charitable somehow. Volunteer somewhere. A high school mentorship thing perhaps?  Traveling? I really like the idea of them taking a class together...something artsy though as Leonard is not much for sports or being outside. Pottery or painting could be fun. I could see them doing the whole Ghost thing. Lol...

 

They don't have a lot in common. But Penny really doesn't have a lot in common with anyone in the group. The episode that ended with the picture of my avatar. Do you see Amy and Bernadette laying at the pool with Penny? Or anyone one in the group jet skiing with her?Or any one watching sports with her?

 

[Mario D.]

9 hours ago, Lagernisse said:

I don't think TPTB would divorce them either, but I'm not happy that they have put Raj in 4A, knowing what has happen before between Raj and Penny.

I will be so pissed if TPTB take that route again.  

I really hope that  the writers can come up with anything else than fights and drama for the next 48 episodes for Lenny, but my expectations are low at the moment. 

This is so true. Cannot see how Leonard can be comfortable in this situation knowing what had transpired with Penny and Raj. How can he be intimate with his wife knowing Raj is on the other side of the wall.  BTW has Penny and Leonard ever had a serious heart to heart conversation of how that situatioin with Raj came about?  She only said to all the guys that "Everyone knows we didn't sleep together only fooled around"  That is not much of an explanation.  And I know Sheldon was on the other side of the wall as well, but when they wanted to be intimate they could have gone to her apt. 4b. Now they do not have that option.

[Stephen Hawking]

I don't think Penny owes Leonard an explanation.

When she and Raj ended up in bed, Penny and Leonard weren't together, and Leonard was in a relationship with Priya.

Penny had every right to sleep with whoever she chose.

ETA: I feel the same applies to The Plimpton Stimulation.

Leonard didn't owe Penny an explanation, for his behavior with Elizabeth Plimpton.

Edited February 25, 2017 by Stephen Hawking

[No Regrets]

9 hours ago, Lagernisse said:

I don't think TPTB would divorce them either, but I'm not happy that they have put Raj in 4A, knowing what has happen before between Raj and Penny.

I can only speak for myself, but if a friend who I know fooled around with my husband suddenly moved in with us... yeah that'd bug the hell out of me. Imagine Bernadette had fooled around with Leonard at some point and then she'd move in with him and Penny. Just no. Not to mention that it's a mystery to me why Lenny just cannot live alone together. Is this why Lenny got apartment 4A? So TPTB can have a third person in their marriage at all times? Cause of course Raj couldn't possibly live with Shamy since they only have 1 bedroom. What a coincidence.

Edited February 25, 2017 by No Regrets

[Stephen Hawking]

37 minutes ago, No Regrets said:

I can only speak for myself, but if a friend who I know fooled around with my husband suddenly moved in with us... yeah that'd bug the hell out of me.

Even if you weren't with your husband at the time, and were in fact, in a physical relationship with someone else?

[Sah]

10 hours ago, veejay said:

This was just a figurative (possibly failed) reference to us fans and our different point of view.

Sorry. It was failed...I see now what you were trying to convey

[RJ1013]

12 hours ago, No Regrets said:

About Lenny: I don't think TPTB would divorce them, BUT one has to wonder why they keep pointing out that Penny feels that something is apparently missing in her life. To me that's been an underlying theme for a while. There's clearly something that Leonard can't give her and it's probably something NO PARTNER could possibly give her. Maybe it's about the job she hates, maybe she just doesn't love herself. We don't know because there's a strong possibility that TPTB don't even know. 

In my opinion, Penny is missing something important. This forum is very ship-oriented, so I understand that the concerns about Lenny are at the forefront of everyone’s minds, but I personally don’t think her relationship is the source of her ongoing discontent. I think she loves Leonard very much, but there’s more to life than just one’s relationship.

Her dream of becoming an actress was an important piece of her character, and it’s part of what made her so different from the others on the show. The writers have yet to fill in any kind of new hopes or dreams for her, so it makes some sense to me that she would be floundering.

It’s natural to have goals and aspirations that motivate us, and it’s not been clear for a long time what drives Penny. She mentioned a house and kids recently, but that felt out of the blue. They’ve not previously shown her to want those things anytime soon. I think maybe she’s been trying to figure out what it is that she does want, and that can be a frustrating process that’s difficult to express to others when you don’t even know quite what you’re looking for yourself. At her age it’s pretty common. I’ve heard it called a quarter-life crisis.

Anyway, I think what has been missing for her character for years now is a true pursuit or goal beyond her relationship. She’s surrounded by others who are successfully pursuing their scientific passions and other interests in life, and I think she needs a dream to pursue again too. And none of that is Leonard's responsibility, of course. It's something she'd need to find for herself.

I’d like to see her find some kind of new creative outlet—something very non-scientific that would help her stand out from the others again. She could keep her mature character growth as well as her practical job and still develop a passion for painting, sculpting, or even a team sport. It might be fun to see a return of the Penny of earlier seasons who stood out from her friends with her own unique interests.

That’s what I think her character needs, but who knows what the writers have planned, if they even have a plan for her. 

[Sah]

10 hours ago, Tensor said:

In the tag of the episode where Lenny got the RA, it was specifically mentioned that Penny, if questioned, can't say things are fine, if they aren't.  In the Thursday show, Leonard asked if Penny wanted to go, and Penny agreed to go, even though she didn't want to go. A violation of the RA.  So, the writers don't even follow their own show, as this was just over a month ago.  Again, the RA was simply a way to get more Sheldon into that particular episode.  

I see it slightly differently. When Sheldon and Lenny were going over the RA and it was mentioned that she may not say things are fine when they are not, IMO applies when there is an argument happening so as not to brush negative issues and emotions under the rug. I do not see Penny trying to compromise and trying to do something nice for Leonard qualifies as breaking the terms of the RA, even if she says she wants to go but doesn't really. I think if they had an argument and Penny or Lenny said things were fine but they still had negative feelings that is a breech of the agreement. 

[Tensor]

19 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said:

Even if you weren't with your husband at the time, and were in fact, in a physical relationship with someone else?

Yep, especially as it was with a guy that withheld information from both Penny and  Leonard.  Knowing Penny's feelings, Raj didn't tell her Priya was leaving, then taking advantage of her drunk and emotional state would be the problem.  Penny ending up in bed wouldn't be the problem.  But Raj's actions prior his ending up in bed with her would be a major red flag. 

[veejay]

13 minutes ago, Sah said:

Sorry. It was failed...I see now what you were trying to convey

Oh, please don't worry! 

[Swedish Chef]

1 hour ago, No Regrets said:

I can only speak for myself, but if a friend who I know fooled around with my husband suddenly moved in with us... yeah that'd bug the hell out of me. Imagine Bernadette had fooled around with Leonard at some point and then she'd move in with him and Penny. Just no. Not to mention that it's a mystery to me why Lenny just cannot live alone together. Is this why Lenny got apartment 4A? So TPTB can have a third person in their marriage at all times? Cause of course Raj couldn't possibly live with Shamy since they only have 1 bedroom. What a coincidence.

To be honest, I find it amazing how little TPTB cares about Lenny these days. 

[Tensor]

2 minutes ago, Sah said:

I see it slightly differently. When Sheldon and Lenny were going over the RA and it was mentioned that she may not say things are fine when they are not, IMO applies when there is an argument happening so as not to brush negative issues and emotions under the rug. I do not see Penny trying to compromise and trying to do something nice for Leonard qualifies as breaking the terms of the RA, even if she says she wants to go but doesn't really. I think if they had an argument and Penny or Lenny said things were fine but they still had negative feelings that is a breech of the agreement. 

I didn't see or hear any restrictions on that, in the tag, so I don't see where that applies.   It sounds, as long as they aren't fighting, it's OK for her to lie to Leonard.  See, her not saying it wasn't fine led to an argument. The RA is supposed to help their communication, isn't it?

[veejay]

3 minutes ago, Lagernisse said:

To be honest, I find it amazing how little TPTB cares about Lenny these days. 

All right, here's your sign!

You're welcome.

[Swedish Chef]

Just now, veejay said:

All right, here's your sign!

You're welcome.

Thanks @veejay !!!!

[spidergirl]

24 minutes ago, RJ1013 said:

In my opinion, Penny is missing something important. This forum is very ship-oriented, so I understand that the concerns about Lenny are at the forefront of everyone’s minds, but I personally don’t think her relationship is the source of her ongoing discontent. I think she loves Leonard very much, but there’s more to life than just one’s relationship.

Her dream of becoming an actress was an important piece of her character, and it’s part of what made her so different from the others on the show. The writers have yet to fill in any kind of new hopes or dreams for her, so it makes some sense to me that she would be floundering.

It’s natural to have goals and aspirations that motivate us, and it’s not been clear for a long time what drives Penny. She mentioned a house and kids recently, but that felt out of the blue. They’ve not previously shown her to want those things anytime soon. I think maybe she’s been trying to figure out what it is that she does want, and that can be a frustrating process that’s difficult to express to others when you don’t even know quite what you’re looking for yourself. At her age it’s pretty common. I’ve heard it called a quarter-life crisis.

Anyway, I think what has been missing for her character for years now is a true pursuit or goal beyond her relationship. She’s surrounded by others who are successfully pursuing their scientific passions and other interests in life, and I think she needs a dream to pursue again too. And none of that is Leonard's responsibility, of course. It's something she'd need to find for herself.

I’d like to see her find some kind of new creative outlet—something very non-scientific that would help her stand out from the others again. She could keep her mature character growth as well as her practical job and still develop a passion for painting, sculpting, or even a team sport. It might be fun to see a return of the Penny of earlier seasons who stood out from her friends with her own unique interests.

That’s what I think her character needs, but who knows what the writers have planned, if they even have a plan for her. 

Agree. Penny was the person on show who balanced the non nerdy and geek part from  the guys and later the female character who had not a science degree from any sorts. Personally and maybe I am in minority about this, I would like to see Penny having a nice goal to anchieve career related as the actress dream seemed to be a ship that sailed long time ago. Surely having children would be awesome but imo Penny doesnt represent the kind of woman who got married and only dream to have a house with a white  fence and children  playing around the garden. She could make so many things related with her hobbies which would be interesting to see as she is not a nerdy neither a geek person. Maybe in next two years we might see more about what makes her happy as woman and wife.

Edited February 25, 2017 by spidergirl

[Swedish Chef]

1 minute ago, spidergirl said:

Agree. Penny was the person on show who balanced the non nerdy and geek part from  the guys and later the female character who had not a science degree from any sorts. Personally and maybe I am in minority about this, I would like to see Penny having a nice goal to anchieve career related as the actress dream seemed to be a ship that sailed long time ago. Surely having children would be awesome but imo Penny doesnt represent the kind of woman who got married and only dream to have a house with a white  fence and children  playing around the garden. She could make so many things related with her hobbies which would be interesting to see as she is not a nerdy neither a geek person. Maybe in next two years we might see more about what makes her happy as woman and wife.

Do you really think that the writers will make those plots in season 11 and 12 for Penny, if you look back how season 9 and 10 has been for Penny.

Why would the writers all of a sudden be interested in Penny's hobbies ?  

[spidergirl]

1 minute ago, Lagernisse said:

Do you really think that the writers will make those plots in season 11 and 12 for Penny, if you look back how season 9 and 10 has been for Penny.

Why would the writers all of a sudden be interested in Penny's hobbies ?  

Because it would be clever from them . There are two more seasons , which might mean more 48 episodes and if they keep things like they are at moment for Penny, what would be the interest for follow her character? Giving suddenly a baby and it would be everything fixed?

Sorry if I sound a bit cold here but I am being totally honest, Penny needs to have an interisting plotline for the future and I would keep follow her, course. A character imo doesn't be only characterized by their  marital status , that's  why I keep my hopes up that we may see more about Penny in upcoming episodes.

[veejay]

20 minutes ago, Lagernisse said:

Do you really think that the writers will make those plots in season 11 and 12 for Penny, if you look back how season 9 and 10 has been for Penny.

Why would the writers all of a sudden be interested in Penny's hobbies ?  

 

12 minutes ago, spidergirl said:

Because it would be clever from them . There are two more seasons , which might mean more 48 episodes and if they keep things like they are at moment for Penny, what would be the interest for follow her character? Giving suddenly a baby and it would be everything fixed?

Sorry if I sound a bit cold here but I am being totally honest, Penny needs to have an interisting plotline for the future and I would keep follow her, course. A character imo doesn't be only characterized by their  marital status , that's  why I keep my hopes up that we may see more about Penny in upcoming episodes.