[Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10

[Stephen Hawking]

On 2/27/2017 at 1:23 PM, JohnPhD said:

Eg in the Batchelor Party episode we were told she sat in Penny's closet as a "sin closet" because her crazy mother told her to on the phone.

Not to mention, baking "penis cookies", and even making two different types.  

12 minutes ago, JohnPhD said:

Ross and Rachel - who cares? Niles and Daphne - just a crude joke.

I shipped Frasier and Roz.

I was really disappointed, when hey didn't end up together.  

[Tonstar17]

I wonder if the owners and creators of TBBT ever realised what a uniquely brilliant thing they had and have now pretty well destroyed. The two unique elements were the comic character Sheldon and the love story of Leonard and Penny. The Sheldon character has been at least partly spoiled by domesticating him with Amy. We all know what's happened to L & P, but do we realise just what's been lost? Speaking for myself, Leonard and Penny were the only sitcom couple I've ever cared about ("shipped"). Ross and Rachel - who cares? Niles and Daphne - just a crude joke. I never wanted a love story but the wonderful acting of KC and JG won me over. For the only time ever in a sitcom I "believed" in their love. The writing was good, but the crucial difference was that actors had intense chemistry together and each was able to portray erotic love convincingly. Not only when they were in a love scene, but even when they were supposedly broken up their "facework" - KC's in particular, projected the character's feelings. Often KC had just one line, but the acting that went with it said it all. You just don't get that portrayal of inner feelings, of course from other actors in TBBT, but in any other sitcom. And now they've thrown it away.

You Nailed it a 100% agreed with this post. I too never shipped any sitcom couple until I met Lenny and I don't think I ever will. The chemistry between KC & JG was so believable  that sometimes I thought I was shipping a real life couple. The innocent looks, the little touches without realising and just everything about them was genuine and brought L & P to life like no other sitcom couple. Now for no apparent reason tptb have decided to destroy this beautiful relationship to the point that so much casuals wouldn't even care if they broke up because they will forget the good times and just remember all the fighting. You go on social media now and most people are like, why are they together? All they do is fight. So yeah if they broke up I think the only people that would care will be us lenny shipper on here and the few lenny's that are still out there. Sad really. Just tossed aside like old toys.

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To me, it feels like all of this, the Lenny fighting, the Raj story line is now linked for some reason, it's heading somewhere...like something big is going to happen.

It heading for big trouble in 4A.

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10 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

You Nailed it a 100% agreed with this post. I too never shipped any sitcom couple until I met Lenny and I don't think I ever will. The chemistry between KC & JG was so believable  that sometimes I thought I was shipping a real life couple. The innocent looks, the little touches without realising and just everything about them was genuine and brought L & P to life like no other sitcom couple. Now for no apparent reason tptb have decided to destroy this beautiful relationship to the point that so much casuals wouldn't even care if they broke up because they will forget the good times and just remember all the fighting. You go on social media now and most people are like, why are they together? All they do is fight. So yeah if they broke up I think the only people that would care will be us lenny shipper on here and the few lenny's that are still out there. Sad really. Just tossed aside like old toys.

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It heading for big trouble in 4A.

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My bets are on that Lenny will be the cliffhanger for season 10. 

[Tonstar17]

55 minutes ago, Lagernisse said:

My bets are on that Lenny will be the cliffhanger for season 10. 

I will bet my last £ on it.

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[3ku11]

23 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

I will bet my last £ on it.

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Not much communication, fighting all the time and mostly for no reason. Lying to each other with hardly any honesty. If that's how married couple behave, I'm glad I'm not married. 5% happiness and 95%  having a go at each other. No thank you.

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They communicate fine. It's all exaggerated for comedy. Most casuals would fine the husband and wife lying funny. Last episode would of been solved by better communication. But then the episode would of been over in the first five seconds. Ppl are acting like this brand new territory for the show. It's not.

7 minutes ago, Lagernisse said:

I don't see how fight after fight after fight can be something positive. 

Fight after fight? Hardly. Their worst one was The Romance Recalibration. Then a small tiff in The Emotion Detection. Since then no fights at all. Holiday Summanation was hilarious. That's hardly fight after fight. Sorry just prefer to look at the positives. They are their. I mean 10.01-10.10 they diddnt fight at all. They had that great moment where they said I love you. So that's half the season where they diddnt fight at all. They did 3 episiodes in a row. So that's 90% of the season not fighting. And last episode they were willing to make compromises to make each other happy. Proving how much they love each other. So I do agree things we'll head in 4A. But Lenny we'll be fine.

Edited March 4, 2017 by 3ku11

[Tonstar17]

Sorry  I'm not seeing the negativity with Lenny this season. You would think they hate each other based on the hysteria of the posts here. Sure their have been teething problems. If you selectively focus on the negative stuff. But their are 90% more positive stuff and great moments for Lenny this season. Seems some are just wiling to selectively focus on the negatives for them this season. And use that as some kings basis. For this cynicism around here ATM.
I seem to remember the same talk and same kinda tone towards Lenny and the writers this time last year. When Zac returnRd. The Viewing Party episode etc. Same talk. With the therapy episode. Penny unhappy Etc. Theirs going to be a major cliffhanger end of season. Nope. I see Same direction here. Lenny well be fine. Because they are fine. Of course things are 4A are coming to a head. But I have all confidence Lenny we'll survive like they ways do. I must be the only one who has actually enjoyed Lenny this season. And don't understand where all this is coming from.
 

Just like you selectively focus on the 10% positive. For me more like 5%.

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Fight after fight? Hardly. Their worst one was The Romance Recalibration. Then a small tiff in The Emotion Detection. Since then no fights at all. Holiday Summanation was hilarious. That's hardly fight after fight. Sorry just prefer to look at the positives. They are their.

So in your opinion to prolong the episode they had to have a fight while the point of the scene was for lenny to look bad with no communication skills while shamy grin and once again tptb pointing out how great their relationship is compared to lenny.

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[3ku11]

4 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

Just like you selectively focus on the 10% positive. For me more like 5%.

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More like 90% positive far as I'm concerned.

[Stephen Hawking]

16 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

Fight after fight? Hardly. Their worst one was The Romance Recalibration.

I thought the really big fight, was the one discussed in The Holiday Summation?

[Tonstar17]

More like 90% positive far as I'm concerned.

Having a positive outlook on lenny at the moment with all that is and going on is all good. I wish I could agree with you.

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 SKULL Do not make negative comments on other posters opinions.  You can comment on the SHOW, as you see it.   

[Enrico Fermi]

2 hours ago, Lagernisse said:

My bets are on that Lenny will be the cliffhanger for season 10. 

I seriously doubt there will ever be any sort of serious Lenny breakup, but I could see a bit of a reversal of the S8 finale where Lenny parts ways for a while and Sheldon proposes.  This whole season has felt like one long setup for Sheldon to propose.

[vonmar]

From TBBT You Tube Channel...

 

[Chrismo]

5 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

I never believed this. I wish I could have, but I just don't.

 

The show went into syndication at the beginning of season 5 so the only the first 4 seasons were in syndication. Amy was in 30 seconds in the tag of season 3 and 15 of 24 episodes of season 4. Even then they weren't that big a factor in season 4. Howdette wasn't a big factor either. The one relationship in the first three seasons was Lenny and it could be argue even broken up in season 4 they were as much a couple in the show as Shamy or Howdette. Also Sheldon wasn't the phenomenon back then as he is now.

[vonmar]

22 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

The show went into syndication at the beginning of season 5 so the only the first 4 seasons were in syndication. Amy was in 30 seconds in the tag of season 3 and 15 of 24 episodes of season 4. Even then they weren't that big a factor in season 4. Howdette wasn't a big factor either. The one relationship in the first three seasons was Lenny and it could be argue even broken up in season 4 they were as much a couple in the show as Shamy or Howdette. Also Sheldon wasn't the phenomenon back then as he is now.

By the end of Season 4, Jim had already won two Emmy Awards and a Golden Globe Award. 

[SRAM]

3 hours ago, Tonstar17 said:

You Nailed it a 100% agreed with this post. I too never shipped any sitcom couple until I met Lenny and I don't think I ever will. The chemistry between KC & JG was so believable  that sometimes I thought I was shipping a real life couple. The innocent looks, the little touches without realising and just everything about them was genuine and brought L & P to life like no other sitcom couple. Now for no apparent reason tptb have decided to destroy this beautiful relationship to the point that so much casuals wouldn't even care if they broke up because they will forget the good times and just remember all the fighting. You go on social media now and most people are like, why are they together? All they do is fight. So yeah if they broke up I think the only people that would care will be us lenny shipper on here and the few lenny's that are still out there. Sad really. Just tossed aside like old toys.

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It heading for big trouble in 4A.

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I think you nailed it.  In the beginning Leonard and Penny were this very unique relationship and seemingly real things were happening between them.  The way they looked at each other, the touches, Penny always looking for Leonard when she came to 4A and Leonard's caring for her well being.  We, as fans, could see these two were meant for each other and cheered every time they drew closer.  They were special.

Then in season "hate" someone decided Lenny needed to be written like every other sitcom couple, I don't see that unique chemistry anymore, it has been so watered down it seems gone, I just see the same thing I've seen on other shows at other times.  

[Chrismo]

12 minutes ago, vonmar said:

By the end of Season 4, Jim had already won two Emmy Awards and a Golden Globe Award. 

But awards doesn't mean viewership. Of the all the oscars won this year were any in the top ten in regards to money made thus most viewers?

[3ku11]

1 hour ago, Enrico Fermi said:

I seriously doubt there will ever be any sort of serious Lenny breakup, but I could see a bit of a reversal of the S8 finale where Lenny parts ways for a while and Sheldon proposes.  This whole season has felt like one long setup for Sheldon to propose.

Their won't be a break up at all. They haven't broken up since season 3. And I see no evidence this season to suggest any real cliff hanger. Basically we were all having this same conversation this time last season. I don't see a difference.

23 minutes ago, SRAM said:

I think you nailed it.  In the beginning Leonard and Penny were this very unique relationship and seemingly real things were happening between them.  The way they looked at each other, the touches, Penny always looking for Leonard when she came to 4A and Leonard's caring for her well being.  We, as fans, could see these two were meant for each other and cheered every time they drew closer.  They were special.

Then in season "hate" someone decided Lenny needed to be written like every other sitcom couple, I don't see that unique chemistry anymore, it has been so watered down it seems gone, I just see the same thing I've seen on other shows at other times.  

Leonard and Penny weren't even that unique. No different to Ross and Rachel. Lenny no different to what they were in S1-6. Clearly I'm in the minority here. But I've loved Lenny this season. I mean I love Lenny but Drama, on/off. I prefer Lenny now. They are stable, committed relationship. I love their arguments. I enjoy how they are writing them. Clearly it's just me. I am just bewildered at this break up talk. I just don't see it.

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[hokie3457]

1 hour ago, vonmar said:

From TBBT You Tube Channel...

 

That's nice. Leonard and Penny who?

[Chrismo]

1 minute ago, hokie3457 said:

That's nice. Leonard and Penny who?

Don't you fantasize in bed waking up next to her in the morning?

[Chrismo]

8 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

Their won't be a break up at all. They haven't broken up since season 3. And I see no evidence this season to suggest any real cliff hanger. Basically we were all having this same conversation this time last season. I don't see a difference.

Leonard and Penny weren't even that unique. No different to Ross and Rachel. Lenny no different to what they were in S1-6. Clearly I'm in the minority here. But I've loved Lenny this season. 

I love it that I see more Shamy bed scenes than Lenny. doesn't remind be of season 3. Are we gonna get a Leonard needing viagra  in an upcoming episode. Didn't see a cliffhanger coming in season 8 certainly not the one we got. Last season we got a final episode that tried to fix up the writers first time wedding attempt.

[vonmar]

19 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

But awards doesn't mean viewership. Of the all the oscars won this year were any in the top ten in regards to money made thus most viewers?

Awards do mean viewership...awards bring attention to a show that people may not yet be watching, they encourage people to tune in to see what the fuss is about. Jim was the breakout actor (recognition wise) and Sheldon was a phenomenon.

[Tonstar17]

I think you nailed it.  In the beginning Leonard and Penny were this very unique relationship and seemingly real things were happening between them.  The way they looked at each other, the touches, Penny always looking for Leonard when she came to 4A and Leonard's caring for her well being.  We, as fans, could see these two were meant for each other and cheered every time they drew closer.  They were special.
Then in season "hate" someone decided Lenny needed to be written like every other sitcom couple, I don't see that unique chemistry anymore, it has been so watered down it seems gone, I just see the same thing I've seen on other shows at other times.  

Chemistry is indefinable, but you know it when you see it. It doesn’t have to be romantic but i saw more than that with lenny, I felt it with lenny, and it’s wasn't necessarily about appearances, or as tptb put it. The nerd and the hot girl next door. For me Penny was into leonard from day one just like he was, the chemistry between these two beautiful people who were wildly dissimilar in beauty and mind was a big factor for me back then and when they got together, Lenny became the inexplicable, ineffable magic that evolved, profoundly attracted to each other, magnetized by each other's smell, body and gestures and infused by a feeling of being one, hence the right fit to be together. The chemistry combusts between L & P was so evident in earlier seasons, it was intoxicating, like how they seeked each other out and the sadness when they both at different stages thought  it wasn't meant to be or in denial about their feelings was incredible to follow all the way up to not been able to deny it anymore. Until someone decided to fuck up things in S Hate, I miss that feelings of pleasure they had, the quickened heartbeat and the love chemicals the made lenny so special. WTF happened writers?

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[serenaded214]

The show went into syndication at the beginning of season 5 so the only the first 4 seasons were in syndication. Amy was in 30 seconds in the tag of season 3 and 15 of 24 episodes of season 4. Even then they weren't that big a factor in season 4. Howdette wasn't a big factor either. The one relationship in the first three seasons was Lenny and it could be argue even broken up in season 4 they were as much a couple in the show as Shamy or Howdette. Also Sheldon wasn't the phenomenon back then as he is now.

The very first episode I watched of tbbt was season 4 ep 8 and I absolutely thought that Sheldon was the main character. I kept watching and my perception did not change in that regard. When I introduced the show to my bf, he had the same conclussion as well. Sheldon was just the type of character that grabbed your attention. He was absolutely a phenomenon.
Having said that, neither of us cared much for Amy's character, so I guess you can say that Lenny was indeed the main relationship of the show in the early seasons.

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[3ku11]

The first two seasons Leonard was the main character. Everything was seen from his point of view. Sheldon was and is the breakout star of the Show. But show was amazing when Leonard was the straight guy. And Sheldon observing and reacting. Lenny were indeed the original and main couple. The Romantic Hero and Herione. Shamy were always alternative. They shifted that. I guess if you started watching after Season 3. You might missed all of that. 

[Enrico Fermi]

2 hours ago, 3ku11 said:

Their won't be a break up at all. They haven't broken up since season 3. And I see no evidence this season to suggest any real cliff hanger. Basically we were all having this same conversation this time last season. I don't see a difference.

I don't see a breakup, either.  Penny's lingering feeling that something is missing in her life is the kind of thing that could end up with her seeking out an opportunity that will take her away for a time.  Such an event would obviously create strain on a marriage, but I think the writers don't have the guts to do anything drastic like breaking them up or the kind of commitment to writing for Lenny that would be required to do it right.