[Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10

[joyceraye]

12 hours ago, Capt. Hilts said:

At this point, I don't think being married makes Sheldon a flight risk, but, I think, putting him through a traditional wedding sure does.  One aspect of his character that falls within the range of 'normal'.  

Sheldon could cope with a wedding if it were not too crowded and noisy. Amy wouldn't organise something too over-the-top: she knows what he's like. Bernadette has too much on her plate to be too outrageous as matron of honour. We've not seen Sheldon nervous at anyone's wedding. His speech at Howard's bachelor party may have been silly but it didn't faze him at all :  in fact he seemed to enjoy himself. He may well have given his sister away ( given that they wouldn't want his brother who was living with 'that whore he's datin'' to do it ) and possibly cousins, as at least one uncle is also dead. So, he knows what goes on and that really all he has to do even  at a church ceremony is stand there with Leonard or his brother and wait. Even Sheldon can do that. He liked the idea of looking like The Flash getting married and he was willing to marry Howard and Bernadette himself, especially if he could do so in Klingon. He helped with the preparations for Lenny's park wedding by taking charge of the invitations and joined in with a speech before the ceremony was even over. He was glad he didn't have to take a pigeon as his bride but seemed nonchalant at the of taking a bride at all. My thought is that it will be suggested to him that a wedding will scare him and freak him out but he'll counter with some if not all of the above, and insist on a make-your-own-sundae bar.

Edited March 20, 2017 by joyceraye
correcting mistype of name.

[Stephen Hawking]

9 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

and he was willing to marry Leonard and Bernadette himself

I wonder how Howard felt about that?  

[Zhalen565]

1 hour ago, joyceraye said:

....... He helped with the preparations for Lenny's park wedding by taking charge of the invitations and joined in with a speech before the ceremony was even over. 

And therein lies the problem. Plus he only invited people He wanted.

[djsurrey]

4 hours ago, wowbagger said:

I mean, honestly, is there a viewer - regular or casual - who is so invested in the sexual shenanigans of the extended families of the show's main characters? Or is there a thriving community of Judd Hirsch/Laurie Metcalfe 'shippers out there? There may be, for all I know. And I guess they got their itches kinda sorta not-really scratched?

...or is there a group who really love to watch Leonard squirm? I think the point was to maximize Leonard's discomfort. This is something that started in 1.01 with Sheldon coming up with lines to embarrass Leonard in front of Penny.

 

[djsurrey]

I speculate it is for the same reason that the writers feel they have to now inject Raj into 4A and have Raj do all the girly things with Penny. Got to make Leonard squirm and Sheldon is too busy.

 

[Soopysue]

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[Judith]

5 hours ago, Jonny said:

I've watched it a few times since it actually aired and each time i do i find the whole season opener more and more underwhelming/borderline boring truth be told.

A lot of guest star power used up in a storyline that never really sucked me in. It felt like they had an opportunity to get some big stars in and that was all that mattered and not the actual storyline in this one. Not the first time and it won't be the last.

If I remember at the time my concern was the damage a potential hook-up might have caused in terms of friendships on the show during the hiatus and not actual real interest in whether Alfred and Mary hooked up or not.

For a season opener I thought it was very meh. But that's just my opinion.

Agreed. For me the highlight of the episode ( putting my shipper goggles aside) was Randall's "cops, cops - be cool" line - because of the delivery - while the novelty of all the guest stars has worn off.

And that was like the last line of the episode.

Edited March 19, 2017 by Judith

[vonmar]

1 hour ago, djsurrey said:

...or is there a group who really love to watch Leonard squirm? I think the point was to maximize Leonard's discomfort. This is something that started in 1.01 with Sheldon coming up with lines to embarrass Leonard in front of Penny.

I never felt that Sheldon was trying to embarrass Leonard in 1.01

It was the pilot, they were trying to establish the characters.  Leonard, the brilliant hopeful romantic and Sheldon the socially awkward genius.

Leonard welcomed Penny into their world and Sheldon simply did know (or care) why that was happening.  

I sensed no malice on Sheldon's part.

Edited March 19, 2017 by vonmar

[Stephen Hawking]

I agree.

Totally honest/logical Sheldon was asked a question, and gave a totally honest/logical answer, just as he did in The Anything Can Happen Recurrence:-

Sheldon: Amy’s sick.

Leonard: Aw. What’s wrong with her?

Sheldon: Well, she talks a lot. She always wants to hold hands.

Edited March 19, 2017 by Stephen Hawking

[spidergirl]

42 minutes ago, vonmar said:

I never felt that Sheldon was trying to embarrass Leonard in 1.01

It was the pilot, they were trying to establish the characters.  Leonard, the brilliant hopeful romantic and Sheldon the socially awkward genius.

Leonard welcomed Penny into their world and Sheldon simply did know (or care) why that was happening.  

I sensed no malice on Sheldon's part.

Agree. Actually the characters imo seemed to be established only by the end of the season 1, in last two episodes. Then it could be made the characterization  writers intended for them . That's why pilot imo seemed so off , Leonard and Sheldon in a sperm back seemed so out of character by the midle of the season. But what was done could not be undone.

Edited March 19, 2017 by spidergirl

[3ku11]

Of course Sheldon can do no wrong he's perfect . Sheldon has malice in him. Not exactly sure in terms of making Leonard squirm. I mean he has at times found a lot of joy in watching Leonard squirm even unintentionally. But it's part of his character. I think tptb had a general idea about their characters before the pilot. They developed through the course of the season. But it's not like it was blind faith or anything. Leonard was always the romantic hero. And Penny the romantic heroine. And Sheldon the socially awkward genius who couldent care less. Then Amy came along yayyyyy

Edited March 19, 2017 by 3ku11

[djsurrey]

2 hours ago, vonmar said:

I never felt that Sheldon was trying to embarrass Leonard in 1.01

It was the pilot, they were trying to establish the characters.  Leonard, the brilliant hopeful romantic and Sheldon the socially awkward genius.

Leonard welcomed Penny into their world and Sheldon simply did know (or care) why that was happening.  

I sensed no malice on Sheldon's part.

Yes, I agree 100%. I was attempting to say Sheldon was the tool used by the writers to make Leonard squirm. Sheldon just has a way even though he usually does not mean to.  Likewise Leonard's Dad and Mary were not trying to make Leonard squirm but their night cap was having that same effect that the writers love to toss in. There is a lot of Leonard squirming in TBBT and it is accomplished via many paths. Raj doing stuff with Penny is the newest example.

Edited March 19, 2017 by djsurrey

[vonmar]

3 minutes ago, djsurrey said:

Yes, I agree 100%. I was attempting to say Sheldon was the tool used by the writers to make Leonard squirm. Sheldon just has a way even though he usually does not mean to.  Likewise Leonard's Dad and Mary were not trying to make Leonard squirm but their night cap was having that same effect that the writers love to toss in. There is a lot of Leonard squirming in TBBT and it is accomplished via many paths. Raj doing stuff with Penny is the newest example.

Totally agree with this.

[ajond]

2 hours ago, vonmar said:

I never felt that Sheldon was trying to embarrass Leonard in 1.01

It was the pilot, they were trying to establish the characters.  Leonard, the brilliant hopeful romantic and Sheldon the socially awkward genius.

Leonard welcomed Penny into their world and Sheldon simply did know (or care) why that was happening.  

I sensed no malice on Sheldon's part.

What about a few minutes later when he ridiculed Leonard's board. What was that about?

[vonmar]

5 minutes ago, ajond said:

What about a few minutes later when he ridiculed Leonard's board. What was that about?

Again this was the pilot, they were establishing the characters...Sheldon, of course would express his personal sense of superiority.  It could have been anyone's board, he would have reacted the same.

Edited March 19, 2017 by vonmar

[joyceraye]

6 hours ago, Stephen Hawking said:

 "and he was willing to marry Leonard and Bernadette himself"  

I wonder how Howard felt about that?  

Thanks for noticing that. I've corrected the error.

[Nogravitasatall]

On 16/03/2017 at 6:54 AM, Sah said:

Wow, I didn't realize Raj was such a controversial subject. I had forgotten that even happened...it was so long ago. I don't consider it cheating...Lenny were not dating at the time. Leonard doesn't need to know about every single thing Penny did during that time and vise versa. Clearly there is nothing between Penny and Raj. There never has been. Always Lenny.

Just curious though....If they were a couple would they be Koothrapenny or Rajenny?

This made me laugh so much.  

3 hours ago, vonmar said:

I never felt that Sheldon was trying to embarrass Leonard in 1.01

It was the pilot, they were trying to establish the characters.  Leonard, the brilliant hopeful romantic and Sheldon the socially awkward genius.

Leonard welcomed Penny into their world and Sheldon simply did know (or care) why that was happening.  

I sensed no malice on Sheldon's part.

Sheldon then had no malice... it was illogical. He did have purpose. I liked the guy trying to live rationally. But hey, they needed more material. 

Edited March 20, 2017 by Nogravitasatall

[3ku11]

18 minutes ago, Nogravitasatall said:

This made me laugh so much.  

Sheldon then had no malice... it was illogical. He did have purpose. I liked the guy trying to live rationally. But hey, they needed more material. 

Sheldon lives irrationally now Haha.

[Die Zimtzicke]

On 3/18/2017 at 7:31 PM, BigBang15 said:

And if S10E01 were just the parents sitting in the background at the wedding, everyone would be complaining "oh they brought in a bunch of relatives and did nothing with them". It was  mix of the parents stories and the wedding.

The drama between the parents was between Sheldon's mom and Leonard's dad. Personally I thought Penny's parents were a waste of space and her brother was the worst casting since Meemaw. If you liked it I'm happy for you, but it did nothing for me.

[3ku11]

Wasent the original question name one Cute Lenny episode? I thought 10.01 they we're a team and cute the entire episode. Because of everyone else's squarrels or disputes. Lenny had to contend with it all. Reinforced by their vows. I did like how it was balanced. You had a couple getting married. In a great setting. Then you had the other characters.

I did thought Randall no offense to the actor. Was a miscast. He seemed too detached for me, for a former drug addictie. I liked DJ Qualls better in Season 1. The Loobenfield decay. I liked Susan portrayed by Katy Seagal. And of course loved Wyatt per usual. Like to see them return in another capacity. Maybe they well make a better impression. I actually advocated for Aaron Paul to play Penny's brother. Overall wasent impressed by the overall characterisation and writing, and portrayal of Randall. 

Edited March 20, 2017 by 3ku11

[ajond]

2 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

Wasent the original question name one Cute Lenny episode. I thought we're team and cute the entire episode. Because of everyone else's squarrels or disputes. Lenny had to contend with it all. Reinforced by their vows. I did like how it was balanced. You had a couple getting married. In a great setting. Then you had the other characters.

I was thinking about a cute episode, not a few cute moments in an otherwise meh episode. Tensor has posted an analysis of how much time was spent on the wedding before the interruptions. It's an eye opener.

[vonmar]

34 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

Wasent the original question name one Cute Lenny episode? I thought 10.01 they we're a team and cute the entire episode. Because of everyone else's squarrels or disputes. Lenny had to contend with it all. Reinforced by their vows. I did like how it was balanced. You had a couple getting married. In a great setting. Then you had the other characters.

I did thought Randall no offense to the actor. Was a miscast. He seemed too detached for me, for a former drug addictie. I liked DJ Qualls better in Season 1. The Loobenfield decay. I liked Susan portrayed by Katy Seagal. And of course loved Wyatt per usual. Like to see them return in another capacity. Maybe they well make a better impression. I actually advocated for Aaron Paul to play Penny's brother. Overall wasent impressed by the overall characterisation and writing, and portrayal of Randall. 

I think they were going for the unexpected.  A mild-mannered meth dealer type as opposed to a strung out tattooed mess. I think they missed the mark in that story/casting choice.

As an aside, DJ Qualls and Jim were the final two who auditioned for the role of Sheldon.

[Carlos]

12 hours ago, BigBang15 said:

Although Raj sort of rejects Indian tradition, he is still Priya's brother and is tasked by his parents to look after her in the US. ANYTHING Priya does is his business. AND if you go back, the fact that Leonard, who promised at some point in the past that he (and Howard) considered Priya off-limits, was in fact banging his sister, in his own house, Raj may have been a little pissed off at Leonard consciously or subconsciously.

First of all what his sister does with her body, since she is an adult woman is no business of Raj (unless their relationship is incestuous), and secondly even if we assume it is (which I straight out reject) if his sister is going to hook up with someone, shouldn't a friend of his be one of the best choices since it is someone he knows and knows to be a good honorable person, who is also his friend? During that whole arc, to me Raj was acting more like a jealous boyfriend and not a brother. TBH, it felt a little disgusting.

12 hours ago, Stephen Hawking said:

It's all interrelated.

Even if he knew (which hasn't been established), should Raj have told Penny (or even Leonard), that his sister was going back to India?

I don't believe he should.

What happens between two people, in a relationship, is their business, and it would be wrong for a sibling to poke their nose into it.

I know I'd be very angry, if one of my siblings stuck their nose into my romantic relationships.

But Raj poked his nose into the Priya /Leonard relationship countless times!

[3ku11]

56 minutes ago, vonmar said:

I think they were going for the unexpected.  A mild-mannered meth dealer type as opposed to a strung out tattooed mess. I think they missed the mark in that story/casting choice.

As an aside, DJ Qualls and Jim were the final two who auditioned for the role of Sheldon.

Yeah that was my gripe the story and casting choice didn't delever imo. I diddnt expect Randall to be strung out high on meth. But he seemed more Pee Wee Herman then a former meth seller. You know detached. Like you couldent imagine he ever took or sold meth.  

[joyceraye]

2 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

The drama between the parents was between Sheldon's mom and Leonard's dad. Personally I thought Penny's parents were a waste of space and her brother was the worst casting since Meemaw. If you liked it I'm happy for you, but it did nothing for me.

Randall was either disastrously cast or speaking in character for someone with a new set of teeth. I couldn't work out which. His acting reminded me of a very inexperienced am dram performer who's been drafted into a speaking part at the last minute when an actor has flu.