[Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10

[joyceraye]

2 hours ago, Itwasdestined said:

 

I'll be there next week


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Have a great time !

[Itwasdestined]

Have a great time !

2 years in the planning, 15 hour flight getting there from Australia , oh I'll have a great time! The wife's excited too! It will be her laugh you'll here over all others when Ep is shown on TV[emoji12]


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[spidergirl]

3 minutes ago, Itwasdestined said:

 

2 years in the planning, 15 hour flight getting there from Australia , oh I'll have a great time! The wife's excited too! It will be her laugh you'll here over all others when Ep is shown on TV


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So cool! I hope you both have a wonderful time and may the episode be a memorable one

[hokie3457]

11 minutes ago, Itwasdestined said:

 

2 years in the planning, 15 hour flight getting there from Australia , oh I'll have a great time! The wife's excited too! It will be her laugh you'll here over all others when Ep is shown on TV


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We will be living vicariously through you both!

[3ku11]

2 hours ago, Stephen Hawking said:

That's one of the things I liked about her.

I loved her acerbic remarks:-

Howard: Um, tell us about your work, Amy.

Amy: I doubt you’d understand. Sheldon tells me you only have a master’s degree.

When did I say that?

I never said you said That. I said I share the opinion Amy makes Sheldon worser. I never said you or anyone else shares that opinion.

Thats the thing about Amy's remarks back then. Not to mention her sexual innuendos towards Penny. You personally might of found it funny. But ALOT of ppl found her obnoxious.

Edited March 22, 2017 by 3ku11

[5Mississippis]

4 hours ago, Cloud Strife said:

I disagree. I'm completely happy with their portrayal in the last few years, with one or two exceptions.

Add my name to the list of those who have been, with a few exceptions, sorely disappointed with the way Lenny have been written and minimized for the past three seasons.

[Die Zimtzicke]

On 3/20/2017 at 4:21 PM, Tensor said:

The two highest rated seasons are season three, and season six, both heavily Lenny.

Six is my favorite and I am not at all a fan of Lenny. I loved the Cooper/Kripke Inversion, the Bakersfield Expedition, The Contractual Obligation Implementation, The Parking Lot Escalation...tons of things happened that made them more group eps. That is the season where Shamy really took off as well. I saw The Closure Alternative as advancing Shamy as well as The Fish Guts Implementation and the Spoiler Alert Segmentation.

[Capt. Hilts]

1 hour ago, JohnPhD said:

The point I was trying to make is that I see no reason to link MR and MB's renewals. Irrespective of Bernadette's and Amy's popularities with the audience, their position in the structure of the show is very different. Bernadette is deeply embedded; Howard couldn't reasonably exist as a character without her now, and she provides the only justification, such as it is, for Raj and Stuart still being in the show. Cutting her out would be like a major amputation.

I must have missed something.  How is Bernadette integral to keeping Raj and Stuart on the show?

The theme of Howard as single parent, just as his mother was, isn't implausible.  

I don't want them to get rid of either character, and don't see how you so strongly favor one over the other.

[Cloud Strife]

13 minutes ago, 5Mississippis said:

Add my name to the list of those who have been, with a few exceptions, sorely disappointed with the way Lenny have been written and minimized for the past three seasons.

I'm not entirely sure what you want to see because Lenny isn't all that much different than in season six for example, just in a whole different stage of their lives, but at the same time, season six is highly praised for some reason. There were fights, there was lying, they were on the verge of breaking up at some point and Sheldon got between them all the time. All the things you complain about were present before, so why you'd suddenly refer to the last three years of Lenny as their downfall (while all they did was progress) is beyond me.

[snapepans]

43 minutes ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

Six is my favorite and I am not at all a fan of Lenny. I loved the Cooper/Kripke Inversion, the Bakersfield Expedition, The Contractual Obligation Implementation, The Parking Lot Escalation...tons of things happened that made them more group eps. That is the season where Shamy really took off as well. I saw The Closure Alternative as advancing Shamy as well as The Fish Guts Implementation and the Spoiler Alert Segmentation.

Apart from the Lenny fan part, I totally agree with you.

Season 6 is my favorite, too. I can honestly say I almost LOVE every episode of Season 6.

From the start, we got to see Howard "actually" being in space, not some side description. We got Halloween episode, Christmas episode, Valentines Day episode,  IMO, this season was the most balanced between friendship plots and relationship plots of all the seasons. And 619, The Closet Reconfiguration was just perfect. I remember at that time, I've read tons of reviews about the letter on social media, people were guessing which version was true and even the casual audiences thought this was a very good episode. And in the end, we got to see Leonard going his North Sea trip. So, not only the friendship and relationship parts were good, but the profession part was great, too.

Even the new character- Alex was my favorite recurring character, no doubt. 

Sorry for my gushing over Season 6. 

Edited March 22, 2017 by snapepans

[wonder63]

17 hours ago, Jonny said:

I probably wouldn't be here now if they hadn't of added the Amy and Bernadette characters, i'm a true believer that the show would have ended years ago with the original format. I watched the occasional early season episodes when they were aired but it wasn't until last year that I found this forum and watched every episode from start to the present. Doubtful I would be posting on this forum if the show had ended years ago.

I think they all make the show what it is and any loss of characters or the actors who play them would damage the show irrevocably. Again I am hopeful everyone will be back I just want to see it confirmed or set in stone, as it stands right now it's not.

I agree with you. I came into the show in the summer before season 5 started and watched the first 4. I really got into it and loved it starting season 4, those early seasons were fun but the show finally found itself in season 4 when bernadette and amy came. I find the older format very boring now. The show would of not lasted that long with that format. 

Season 4 is my favorite season followed by 5 and 6. Season 4 to 6 is my favorite era of the show, when it was at its best.

Edited March 22, 2017 by wonder63

[Carlos]

On ‎3‎/‎20‎/‎2017 at 4:57 PM, JohnPhD said:

I don't know why Bernadette and Amy are treated as a package. They didn't come in together and have no special connection.

I don't see how it would be possible to write out Bernadette without without also losing Howard. In fact Old Howard was pretty well done when they brought in Bernadette to save the character, who has been great ever since.

Amy, on the other hand, could easily and cleanly (and IMO advantageously) be written out. Have Sheldon rediscover his emotional self-sufficiency and that his friends are all he needs. No-one else would miss her. Maybe bring back Emily, not necessarilly as Raj's gf but as another friend for Penny and Bernadette. Or have Raj join their girls' nights as an honorary girl.

I would assume the only reason is that their contracts are on the same renewal cycle.

[wonder63]

7 minutes ago, Carlos said:

I would assume the only reason is that their contracts are on the same renewal cycle.

Yes that's right. Both became regulars in season 4, only Bernadette was made one 4 episodes before Amy. Although Bernadette has been on longer than Amy coming in early season 3 verses Amy end of season 3. But yeah your right their contracts are on the same cycle. 

[Carlos]

9 hours ago, shamyarmy2016 said:

what are you talking about everyone would miss amy without amy there is no shamy and sheldon would be a jerk still if it was not for her and sheldon became better becuase amy changed him and the show i would miss her mayim and jim  are  the reason i watch the show 

A lot of people would contend that Sheldon still is a jerk, actually.

[Chrismo]

The original format wouldn't of lasted ten seasons. Saying that Season 4 wasn't the best IMO. While Lenny needed to break up butch Amy and feminine Sheldon didn't work for me. Season 5 was a little better. Lenny was back together, Howdette wedding planning was going on, and Shamy were starting to look like a couple. Season 6 was probably the best of all seasons. Something for everyone. After that the show quality has started to diminish to what we have now.

As to the Amy and Bernadette need. I think Bernadette you probably  need for the storyline. Though you could work around it. Amy you do not need. I'm not sure a Shamy engagement or wedding is really necessary. Wasn't the biggest thing people needed to see was Shamy coitus?

As stated many times on this forum. The Bernadette and espicially Amy addition was for female viewership. It turned the show into a romance/comedy show. What would have more interesting to me if TPTB back at the beginning of season 4 had the guts to make Sheldon a gay character. Would the ratings been as high? The show ratings itself went up when season 1-4 repeats went on TBS. I don't think the immediate appearance of Bernadette and Amy caused a ratings increase.

[Capt. Hilts]

11 minutes ago, Carlos said:

A lot of people would contend that Sheldon still is a jerk, actually.

And he's still clueless about the accurate meaning behind what people say.

[Carlos]

1 hour ago, Cloud Strife said:

I'm not entirely sure what you want to see because Lenny isn't all that much different than in season six for example, just in a whole different stage of their lives, but at the same time, season six is highly praised for some reason. There were fights, there was lying, they were on the verge of breaking up at some point and Sheldon got between them all the time. All the things you complain about were present before, so why you'd suddenly refer to the last three years of Lenny as their downfall (while all they did was progress) is beyond me.

And it is beyond me how you can say that seasons 7-10 have been essentially the same when they do not even resemble S6. S6 was special, magical and Lenny were adorable. They didn't fight as much and it was them against the world. Also, when in the last 4 seasons have you seen Penny be as loving towards Leonard as in The Holographic Excitation? Do you remember also that during season 6 Penny said "I love you" to Leonard for the first time? Was there anything as special in the seasons that followed? I don't think so. So how you see S7-10 as similar to S6 is beyond me.

1 hour ago, snapepans said:

Apart from the Lenny fan part, I totally agree with you.

Season 6 is my favorite, too. I can honestly say I almost LOVE every episode of Season 6.

From the start, we got to see Howard "actually" being in space, not some side description. We got Halloween episode, Christmas episode, Valentines Day episode,  IMO, this season was the most balanced between friendship plots and relationship plots of all the seasons. And 619, The Closet Reconfiguration was just perfect. I remember at that time, I've read tons of reviews about the letter on social media, people were guessing which version was true and even the casual audiences thought this was a very good episode. And in the end, we got to see Leonard going his North Sea trip. So, not only the friendship and relationship parts were good, but the profession part was great, too.

Even the new character- Alex was my favorite recurring character, no doubt. 

Sorry for my gushing over Season 6. 

Not to mention that that was the season that Howard was dungeon master and did all these imitations that were soooo funny and spot on. For me S6 was the best season of the whole show run.

[Carlos]

1 hour ago, Capt. Hilts said:

And he's still clueless about the accurate meaning behind what people say.

No he is not, actually.

[Tensor]

4 hours ago, Cloud Strife said:

I'm not entirely sure what you want to see because Lenny isn't all that much different than in season six for example, just in a whole different stage of their lives, but at the same time, season six is highly praised for some reason. There were fights, there was lying, they were on the verge of breaking up at some point and Sheldon got between them all the time. All the things you complain about were present before, so why you'd suddenly refer to the last three years of Lenny as their downfall (while all they did was progress) is beyond me.

Not all that much different?  Actually, Penny was unsure of the relationship only, in episodes one, two, and three.  The difference was they showed them talking.  In all their disagreements in season six, at some point, they show them talking about it.  That's not something that is happening in season ten.  And before you say anything, yes, I have a lot of free time, it happens when you have a chronic pain condition, that keeps you up at night.  

  Let's compare the episodes 

6.01:   They have an entire plot to themselves, with a minor incursion by Raj.  Over 8 minutes of their own.

10.01:  They have the wedding, (all of the under three minutes of it)  but their entire alone time, on screen, was in a discussion with Sheldon.

Season six 1         Season ten  0         Just based on screen time alone.  

 

6.02:  Penny is unsure of the relationship, and it's true Sheldon gets involved.  But they also have their own scene with no one else.

10.02 No interaction between them.

Season six 2      Season ten  0      

 

6.03     After being unsure, Penny gets jealous, there is even a short scene with just them, where Penny puts together a snack for Leonard.  Not to mention she takes him to her apartment, because he's desirable.  

10.03   A brief interaction between Leonard and Penny, along with Sheldon and Amy.  Comment, by Penny about his wearing her down.

Season six 3     season ten  0

 

6.04    No interaction of just Lenny.  Penny and Amy beating Leonard and Sheldon in a variety of games.

10.04  They finally get their own place when Sheldon moves to 4B with Amy.    However, a total of less than 2 minutes of their being alone.  No real discussion, just clips of them dance or after Leonard hurts himself.

Season six  3      Season ten   1  I'm giving it to season 10, simply because they finally are alone and have time alone together. 

 

6.05   Penny actually puts in effort in their relationship, and she's rewarded with an increase in feelings for Leonard,

10.05  A very short clip, before they spend the rest of the episode trying to fix Shamy getting used to each other.

Season six   4        Season ten  1     Several scenes of them alone in season 6.

 

6.06      They have a major fight, Leonard's in the wrong and Penny lies to him about who writes her paper, but it evidently get's the idea across to Leonard that she doesn't want his help.

10.06    They go to the convention.  And, while they do have some short alone scenes, they also do the wore her down thing again, and Leonard treats her as some sort of trophy.

Season six  4        Season   ten  2     Although Penny goes back to school, they fight because of Leonard trying to push her, even after she said she didn't want his help.   Season 10 they had scenes together, but the continued "he wore her down" and treating her like a trophy, took away from it.  But in the end, I gave it to season 10, as they are mostly cute. 

 

6.07     No interaction between them at all.

10.07   They have a couple of cute scene.  Penny hiding his figurines, his hiding some of her stuff at the end.  

Season six   4         Season    ten   3         But season 10 gets it, simply because it's the only time we've scene their redecorated bedroom.  

 

6.08    They fight, because Leonard is jealous, but they show them talking about it, and Penny's first "I love you."

10.08   No/minor  interaction

Season six   5         Season    ten   3

 

6.09     No/minor interaction.

10.09   No/minor interaction.

No points

 

6.10    No/minor interaction

10.10  They actually work together, when Leonard/Sheldon divide up their stuff. 

Season six   5        Season   ten  4

 

6.11    They at least get a cute scene at the beginning where they show them working together. 

10.11  No/minimal interaction  mostly background.  

 

Season  six   6     Season ten      4

 

6.12  Penny, for the first time,  becomes unsure of the relationship.  Also, the first time Leonard takes the lead for sex.

10.12   Talk about Lenny fighting over a TV show, and scenes showing them unhappy with each other, and not talking about it.

Season six   7        Season ten     4

 

6.13    Minor scene at the beginning, with Leonard saying he loves her.  Although he shows her off as a trophy.

10.13  Penny claims Leonard isn't trying in the relationship, they have a disagreement, they end up with the totally OOC Relationship agreement.  

Season six   8         Season ten    4

 

6.14   Minor scene with them eating together, with Sheldon.

10.14  Leonard and Penny fight, when Penny doesn't tell Leonard she invited her brother to stay with them.  they make up, off screen, although Penny lies about why her brother can't come.

Season six   9         Season ten      4     Another fight, another episode where they don't show them talking about it.  

 

6.15    Leonard moves in with Penny, although she's uncomfortable with it and doesn't tell him.   At least they have scenes without fights.  

10.15  No/minor interaction, no scenes alone.

Season six   10          Season ten    4

 

6.16    Penny tries to do something romantic for Leonard, and finds out she's been doing it all along, simply because she has many keepsakes of things Leonard's done for her.

10.16  No/minor interactions, no scenes

Season six   11        Season ten     4

 

6.17    Penny acts, Leonard comments how good she is.   

10.17  Penny and Leonard try to make the other happy in regard to Comic-Con.

Season 6      11        Season ten     5      I gave it to season ten, simply because it's one of the few where they had more scenes together than the season six episode. 

 

6.18   Minor interaction, but the scene at the end of the show was cute.

10.18  Penny and Leonard allow Raj to move in with them

Season  six    12       Season ten    5     Raj moving in with them is not a plus.  

 

6.19    They throw a party, but the beauty of this one is how touchy feely they are, when they are in the background during group scenes. 

10.19  Penny and Raj spend time together doing things, instead of Penny doing things with Leonard.  

Season  six   13       Season  ten     5     This one was easy.

 

I ended here, simply because I don't have enough information on 10.20.    As for season six, the last five episodes in season six were all good Lenny.   Although 6.23 was more a group episode, and many consider a good Shamy episode.  

 

If you have different feelings on these, I would be interested in what differences you see between how I see it, and how you see it.    

   

 

 

[Tensor]

 

2 hours ago, Capt. Hilts said:

And he's still clueless about the accurate meaning behind what people say.

Sheldon hasn't been clueless since season 6, episode 8.  Anyone that can refer to oral sex, as a chicken pecking for corn, while making accurate movement of their head to mimic the action of oral sex, is not clueless.   

[Stephen Hawking]

7 hours ago, joyceraye said:

 

 

In Friends, they left Joey single and unattached.

Edited March 22, 2017 by Stephen Hawking

[rachelshamyfan]

I'm probably in the minority here but I quite liked Priya, this is what makes this forum so great

 

Everyone can have their own views on certain things and we don't necessarily have to agree

 

Anyway am really looking forward to another 2 seasons and I hopefully will try to get to a taping next year with my future husband

[Stephen Hawking]

6 hours ago, 3ku11 said:

You personally might of found it funny. But ALOT of ppl found her obnoxious.

Obnoxious can be funny.

Basil Fawlty could be obnoxious, but he was considered by many to be very funny.

David Brent could be obnoxious, but he was considered by many to be very funny.

[rachelshamyfan]

30 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said:

Obnoxious can be funny.

Basil Fawlty could be obnoxious, but he was considered by many to be very funny.

David Brent could be obnoxious, but he was considered by many to be very funny.

Love basil but can't stand David brent

[Stephen Hawking]

14 minutes ago, rachelshamyfan said:

Love basil but can't stand David brent

My point still stands though.

Obnoxious can be funny.