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I think neither Lenny moving out nor Shamy engagement will happen in this season tbh. To me the last part of the premiere episode is kind of like the writers telling us fans they're not going to tear the big three apart. They even made it "official" that the three are in the same marriage...(Yes I know it was a joke, still)

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3 hours ago, 3ku11 said:

I am not sure why in cannon Sheldon wants Lenny to live with him. I mean surley Lenny staying in 4A, is getting in the way of Amy moving in. Unless Sheldon is living with Lenny on purpose, to delay the process. Because he is simply not ready to increase his intimacy with Amy. If he wanted to live with Amy,  I am sure he would of asked Lenny to move out a long time ago. JMO. 

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I think this is one character trait that actually comes from the writers themselves to Sheldon, the irrational fear of change applies to them more than Sheldon the last few seasons.

They have a sweet gig and will do nothing which might conceivably endanger it.

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1 hour ago, JE7 said:

Because this has become the Sheldon show. TPTB need Lenny close to react to and be the butt of his "comedy".

That's why the drastic change in the penny character from wanting to kill him to being "sympathetic"

Well then let us hope for some funny exceptions. :shy:

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3 hours ago, camelliayao said:

I think neither Lenny moving out nor Shamy engagement will happen in this season tbh. To me the last part of the premiere episode is kind of like the writers telling us fans they're not going to tear the big three apart. They even made it "official" that the three are in the same marriage...(Yes I know it was a joke, still)

In that scene I was not bothered by the "husband, wife, weird husband" line, but by the symbolism of the whole stuff, the three of them together at the altar, as you said, in a way made the whole situation official. Anyway, according to @heres2U (correct me if I'm wrong) that scene was the biggest laugh of the whole taping. Of course we as hard core fans can't laugh at that, because our ideal premiere should have ended with Sheldon and Lenny parting ways after the wedding, and not straightening their relationship by getting married together. I found very telling, anyway, that "casual fans", but still enough invested in the show to go to a taping, were so amused by it; as long as people laugh, the writers are not stimulated to big changes. Not sure how they  will handle the situation in the future, in some interviews Molaro spoke about possible "experimentations" about the LA during the season, I still hope we will see something going on on that respect, but obviously it won't be something as quick as we wish.

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Interesting, could be just them teasing but if they are thinking about tweaking this or that that's a good thing especially for those so bent out of shape over it.

I would have to see what they have in mind first and how they go about it. Also if they are for example to make a change but then reverse it (they clearly mention they could reverse it) I would have to see the impact on those particular characters to judge if it was a good move or not.

Raj still dating the two women by the sounds of it, hopefully they have a reckoning on the cards that sorts him out once and for all.

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4 hours ago, Jonny83 said:

Interesting, could be just them teasing but if they are thinking about tweaking this or that that's a good thing especially for those so bent out of shape over it.

I would have to see what they have in mind first, and if they are for example to make a change but then reverse it I would have to see the impact on those particular characters to judge if it was a good move or not.

It's not the first time of Molaro talking about experimenting with the LAs so I think it's a pretty save thing they want to test out for a while. I think putting it in a way that is reversible is a fair safety net for the writers in case the audience really hates it for some reason. They can assess how it goes from the show's point of view and then let the characters do the same in universe.

I've been literally chatting for days about the LAs with @mirs1 saying that something has to come up soon. So I'm very happy about Molaro's perfect timing again. lol

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31 minutes ago, April said:

It's not the first time of Molaro talking about experimenting with the LAs so I think it's a pretty save thing they want to test out for a while. I think putting it in a way that is reversible is a fair safety net for the writers in case the audience really hates it for some reason. They can asses how it goes from the show's point of view and then let the characters do the same in universe.

I've been literally chatting for days about the LAs with @mirs1 saying that something has to come up soon. So I'm very happy about Molaro's perfect timing again. lol

I was looking at it more from a character standpoint point of view, if they implement a change but then reverse it it could damage their relationships that would be my major concern. For example if Amy moved in with Sheldon but the writers then changed it back from a logical point of view it could damage their relationship. The same could be said for Lenny if they moved into 4B but then the writers move them back into 4A because they don't think it's working right.

It all comes down the writing and how they implement it, which we won't find out until we actually see it. Every single god damn time there has been a mere mention of LA changes or actual movement there has been conflict or angst. I would much rather when they make that big change in an attempt to make it permanent it's a peaceful stress free transition.

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31 minutes ago, April said:

'Big Bang Theory' Boss on Season 10 Wedding(s) and Future Amid Contract Uncertainty:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/big-bang-theory-season-10-925751

Hallelujah!

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Forgive me for noticing the unimportant part, but does "undo" mean if the audience hates the new living arrangement, the writers are going to return to the current one. So in show terms, it'll be like "Sorry Amy, after living with you for a while, I find that I don't like it and I think it's better we don't live together." Well then let's hope the audience will like the new LA because otherwise it'll be horrible (for Shamy, from a shipper POV) LMAO...

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17 minutes ago, Jonny83 said:

I was looking at it more from a character standpoint point of view, if they implement a change but then reverse it it could damage their relationships that would be my concern. For example if Amy moved in with Sheldon but the writers then changed it back from a logical point of view it could damage their relationship. The same could be said for Lenny if they moved into 4B but then the writers move them back into 4A because they don't think it's working right.

It all comes down the writing and how the implement it, which we won't find out until we actually see it. Every single god damn time there has been a mere mention of LA changes or actually movement there has been conflict or angst. I would much rather when they make that big change in an attempt to make it permanent it's a peaceful stress free transition.

I agree, there is a risk of creating conflicts in the main relationships in the show, but it depends pretty much on how the writers are going to implement the plot; from the interview, I have the impression that no major drama will arise from that and it will be done in a way that doesn't causes conflicts. For example, if they present everything as a real social experiment, it might have some very rigid parameters, like the duration itself, so in a way it would be clear from the very beginning to everybody that is a temporary situation. After that, it's up to the participants to the experiment to decide whether to continue with it after its end (as I hope) or not. Well...maybe Episode 4 is the charm and something interesting might happen...Personally, even if it's a one-shot episode, and the experiment concludes with the tag, I'm happy if there's something new in the LA that can shake the situation a bit...

Now, one could ask why, instead of just moving out, Lenny (or whoever propose it) have to trick Sheldon into doing something so logical as living in their own apartment, but that's another story; as I told in the previous post, as long as people laugh at their absurdity, the LA are not going to be resolved by logic.

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15 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

Forgive me for noticing the unimportant part, but does "undo" mean if the audience hates the new living arrangement, the writers are going to return to the current one. So in show terms, it'll be like "Sorry Amy, after living with you for a while, I find that I don't like it and I think it's better we don't live together." Well then let's hope the audience will like the new LA because otherwise it'll be horrible (for Shamy, from a shipper POV) LMAO...

Exactly my concern.

The writers have shown in the past they are terrified about making such a major tweak and once again they show their fears by throwing that caveat out there that they could reverse it. A large part me actually thinks if they are that scared about doing it and let's be honest here they know their show better than anyone so the fear must be pretty significant, then don't make the change. If they go into it half-assed and then reverse it it could cause a lot of problems.

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15 minutes ago, Jonny83 said:

I was looking at it more from a character standpoint point of view, if they implement a change but then reverse it it could damage their relationships that would be my major concern. For example if Amy moved in with Sheldon but the writers then changed it back from a logical point of view it could damage their relationship. The same could be said for Lenny if they moved into 4B but then the writers move them back into 4A because they don't think it's working right.

It all comes down the writing and how the implement it, which we won't find out until we actually see it. Every single god damn time there has been a mere mention of LA changes or actually movement there has been conflict or angst. I would much rather when they make that big change in an attempt to make it permanent it's a peaceful stress free transition.

Yeah, I get what you mean. Though I expect Molaro to only turn back from that if it's really necessary cause as you say, how do you revert the LAs without damaging the characters? I don't know under what circumstances the writers would find it necessary to make a U-turn (the live audience hates it? the ratings have a sharp drop???) but I would hope that they'll do their best to write it as a "peaceful stress free transition". Selling it as an experiment to Sheldon certainly sounds like a diplomatic enough solution to avoid major drama here but also make it a bit more quirky than a simple "let's shake hands and part ways".

12 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

Forgive me for noticing the unimportant part, but does "undo" mean if the audience hates the new living arrangement, the writers are going to return to the current one. So in show terms, it'll be like "Sorry Amy, after living with you for a while, I find that I don't like it and I think it's better we don't live together." Well then let's hope the audience will like the new LA because otherwise it'll be horrible (for Shamy, from a shipper POV) LMAO...

I think that's basically what it means, yes. But I also think it's probably just a last resort option if that experiment really doesn't work for some reason. So for now I'm not worried. Let's see how this plays out! :D

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27 minutes ago, April said:

It's not the first time of Molaro talking about experimenting with the LAs so I think it's a pretty save thing they want to test out for a while. I think putting it in a way that is reversible is a fair safety net for the writers in case the audience really hates it for some reason. They can asses how it goes from the show's point of view and then let the characters do the same in universe.

I've been literally chatting for days about the LAs with @mirs1 saying that something has to come up soon. So I'm very happy about Molaro's perfect timing again. lol

My knee jerk reaction was pissed at the sorta "opt out" comment that they could undo any changes BUT I was talked off the ledge lol and now I'm just so grateful for all parties/ships that STEVE IS FINALLY SAYING ADJUSTING LIVING ARRANGEMENTS!!  And at first I hated the idea of an experiement but I get its a way to ensure Sheldon stays well Sheldon.   Overall I'm happy

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2 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

I agree, there is a risk of creating conflicts in the main relationships in the show, but it depends pretty much on how the writers are going to implement the plot; from the interview, I have the impression that no major drama will arise from that and it will be done in a way that not causes conflicts. For example, if they present everything as a real social experiment, it might have some very rigid parameters, like the duration itself, so in a way it would be clear from the very beginning to everybody that is a temporary situation. After that, it's up to the participants to the experiment to decide whether to continue with it after its end (as I hope) or not. Well...maybe Episode 4 is the charm and something interesting might happen...Personally, even if it's a one-shot episode, and the experiment concludes with the tag, I'm happy if there's something new in the LA that can shake the situation a bit...

Now, one could ask why, instead of just moving out, Lenny (or whoever propose it) have to trick Sheldon into doing something so logical as living in their own apartment, but that's another story; as I told in the previous post, as long as people laugh at their absurdity, the LA are not going to be resolved by logic.

My concern is as long as it's an experiment, there'll be a result, hence whether each couple is happy with the new living arrangement, no matter how long the duration time is or whether the new arrangement is temporary or not. So if in the end they move back to the old one (because the audience doesn't like it), it'll be like either Shamy don't enjoy living together, which is too bad since this is the next step of their relationship and I don't see how they can move on and finally become a real couple while living in two apartments; or Lenny don't enjoy living together, which is worse because they are already married...

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11 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

My concern is as long as it's an experiment, there'll be a result, hence whether each couple is happy with the new living arrangement, no matter how long the duration time is or whether the new arrangement is temporary or not. So if in the end they move back to the old one (because the audience doesn't like it), it'll be like either Shamy don't enjoy living together, which is too bad since this is the next step of their relationship and I don't see how they can move on and finally become a real couple while living in two apartments; or Lenny don't enjoy living together, which is worse because they are already married...

This would really be a worst case scenario and tbqh it doesn't really make sense for the couples so I don't think this is high up on Molaro's possible scenarios list - or at least I hope not. lol

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9 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

My concern is as long as it's an experiment, there'll be a result, hence whether each couple is happy with the new living arrangement, no matter how long the duration time is or whether the new arrangement is temporary or not. So if in the end they move back to the old one (because the audience doesn't like it), it'll be like either Shamy don't enjoy living together, which is too bad since this is the next step of their relationship and I don't see how they can move on and finally become a real couple while living in two apartments; or Lenny don't enjoy living together, which is worse because they are already married...

I understand that; but it might happen a scenario where it's clear from the very beginning that the terms of the experiment involve that at the end of it everything has to come back to "normal" (well...that's a strong word, LOL!), and everybody agree on that. Anyway, it's not very clear if this possible experiment involves Amy too. Molaro answered to a question about Shamy, so it's likely that it might be, but there's the possibility it is something among the big three only...

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Actually I think it is not so big an issue to have Lenny move to 4B. The dynamic will still work, they will work in 4A, the boys will play in 4A, and girls' night will still be in 4B. 

However: Lenny moving out somehow implies Amy moving in, and IMHO that's the big step that might have a major influence. She will become a part of the 'big three', maybe not to such a dimension that they will become 'the big four', but she will be there.

Is this bad? No. Change is necessary to move forward, and I think the writers don't need to be afraid of this. They are perfectly capable of finding a way to integrate Amy without destroying the friendship of the big three. I have complete faith in them.

Of course there will be people who won't like it, but you can never please everybody. So I hope the writers have the courage to take this step pretty soon. It's about time...

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It sounds like they've got an idea of what they want to do regarding LA and the two couples it will affect.  What I think they're scared to death of is the general audiences reaction to it.  But what tptb don't seem to really believe or want to see is that the general audience have already started grumbling about the ridiculousness of the LA and I think in the end, and as usual, they're worrying about it unnecessarily.

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I was wondering here, after reading your points about this (which I agree with most of the opinions about what it possible about living arragements) ...

And if Amy moved in to Sheldon and Lenny's apartment?

I know the apartment is small but it might be an experience for Sheldon and Amy( especially to him, as we know, his problems with changing stuff in his life) and it would not be problema ( I guess) for the audience as the scenario of most scenes would not change and it could bring very funny situations as both couples were trying to adjust to live all together and seeing how Sheldon and Amy were to handle to live together as a couple.

A girl can dream here, right? :)

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43 minutes ago, Radar said:

Actually I think it is not so big an issue to have Lenny move to 4B. The dynamic will still work, they will work in 4A, the boys will play in 4A, and girls' night will still be in 4B. 

However: Lenny moving out somehow implies Amy moving in, and IMHO that's the big step that might have a major influence. She will become a part of the 'big three', maybe not to such a dimension that they will become 'the big four', but she will be there.

Is this bad? No. Change is necessary to move forward, and I think the writers don't need to be afraid of this. They are perfectly capable of finding a way to integrate Amy without destroying the friendship of the big three. I have complete faith in them.

Of course there will be people who won't like it, but you can never please everybody. So I hope the writers have the courage to take this step pretty soon. It's about time...

I agree I think they could move them into 4B and barely anything would need to change and the audience would go along with it and remain positive. But the way they added the caveat suggests to me they are thinking potentially something more radical. I could be misreading it entirely and it's just them being ultra cautious.

If they do change it I will of course view it with an open mind, there are positives that could come from changes but at the same time dangers. I guess we will have to just wait and see.

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I agree that a change of living arrangements doesn't have to include Amy. They could first try to let Lenny move together and leave Sheldon alone in 4a. It would change nothing at all,  Sheldon would still spend a Lot of time with Leonard no matter if it is 4a or 4b, before Penny asks Sheldon to get out because she wants to be alone with Leonard. Or they leave 4a, to be alone. The only difference would be that they would have to try to do things without each other and become independent. I 'm sure that Lenny will spend a Lot of time together because the guidance system occupies Leonard a lot so he spends every minute with Penny and less with Sheldon because they now not live together,  they also work together and this is hard for their friendship,  so I can see Leonard fleeing over to Penny to find some peace. And Sheldon could also spend more time with Amy including overnight stays, without the need of moving together. This would be a way for everyone to test the waters. I'm sure the audience would like it because there would be so many possibilities for funny situations IMO. 

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2 hours ago, mirs1 said:

I understand that; but it might happen a scenario where it's clear from the very beginning that the terms of the experiment involve that at the end of it everything has to come back to "normal" (well...that's a strong word, LOL!), and everybody agree on that. Anyway, it's not very clear if this possible experiment involves Amy too. Molaro answered to a question about Shamy, so it's likely that it might be, but there's the possibility it is something among the big three only...

Ok now I understand. I guess your scneriao could avoid damaging the relationship of Shamy and Lenny, except for in that case there's a possibility that if everything has to go back to normal from the beginning and if it turns out the audience doesn't like it, the living arrangement will never change... 

I guess my real problem is IMO living arrangement change is something that should and will be done at some point. Something that once they've done it, there's no going back. Something that shouldn't be affected by the audience's response. Because no matter how reluctant they are, Lenny have already married and Sheldon almost proposed last season. Their relationships have to go somewhere.  It's like the writers digged the hole themselves but now they're scared so they hope we just ignore the hole together with them. Of course I understand they're facing the pressure that some audience won't accept the change. But hey! Nobody forced them to dig the hole lol. It's like before Opening Night, I was perfectly fine with the show ending without resolving the Shamy coitus problem. However, now that the cat is out of the box, forgive me writers for asking: where is the follow up??? 

When there's no mentioning of living arrangement change, at least we can pretend either Sheldon or Lenny is still not ready to live alone. But once it's out there... Well... 

But as you said, we'll have to wait and see. And I don't think there'll be a negative response from the general audience. Because honestly, IMO there really isn't that much of a difference lol!

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