[Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10

[hokie3457]

2 hours ago, kazzie said:

Ok I'm gong to type up a quick repost.. I's tired af and I didn't take notes so it will be brief.

I will add dialog but it wont be accurate to the actual taping as there were lots of re-writes. The report below is just a guide on what was taped tonight. As always. DO NOT TWEET OR POST TO PRODUCERS ABOUT SPOILERS.

So we know Amy has gone off to Princeton for a few months...

Cold Open:

Sheldon is sitting in 4B skyping with Amy. They are expressing how much they miss one another. Amy comments that its weird that Sheldon wasn't there that morning to correct her grammar. Sheldon took the opportunity to start correcting her and this turned into some flirtatious back and forth. 

Cafeteria:

Leonard, Raj and Howard are sitting chatting when Sheldon enters followed by Ramona. Sheldon introduces Ramona to the gang. He explained that she had worked on the CERN project and she was at Caltech for some research. The guys offer Romana to join them and Raj leaves to grab an extra chair. I cant remember why exactly but Ramona deny's the offer and leaves to sit elsewhere asking Sheldon to accompany her which he complies.

We see Sheldon and Ramona sitting and chatting while the guys are observing and discussing what might be happening. Ramon reached out to touch Sheldon on the arm at one occasion. They were pretty certain from this point that she was after him.

4A

Penny and Bernadette are at the island speaking about Sheldon and Ramona, The guys had told them what was going on. They were voicing concerns about what Romana might be up to. It was mentioned that Ramona had got Sheldon a Toblerone. Penny commented that all Leonard had told her was that the Toblerone had nuts.

4B

Sheldon and Amy are again skyping and expressing that they miss each other, They go on to talk about their days. Sheldon openly tells Amy about Ramona and how they had lunch. Amy is visibly not impressed immediately and expresses she is not happy. Sheldon is completely oblivious to why this is a problem and goes on to explain Ramona's research and how she is a tall, blond and ex swimmer.

4A

Amy skype Penny and Bernadette, she is furious with Ramona being in the picture and expresses her anger at them saying "I asked you to do one thing and keep and etc on him". Penny and Bernadette are sorry to Amy. 

ComicBook Store:

Leonard, Howard and Raj are searching for comics and discussing the issue with Ramona, Raj suggest someone should ask out Ramona in an attempt to prove she is not interested in Sheldon romantically. Stuart enters the conversation and offers to do it. The guys immediately shoot Stuart down (in a funny way) explaining she is a doctor. Stuart replies saying doctors love him. There was some jokes thrown around here before Raj says he will do it.

Cafeteria:

Ramona is sitting alone, Raj enters and starts talking to Ramona, "So nice to see you again', Yes you to!, May I join you? Ramona replies a subtle 'No" and got back to her work while eating. Raj leaves to join Howard and Leonard. They comment on how they need to phone the guiness book of world records for the quickest shoot down ever. 

Sheldon enters and Ramona instantly waves him down for Sheldon to join her, To which he does.

 

4A

Leonard, Penny, Howard, Bernadette and Raj are at the Island preparing dinner and talking about Ramona advancing Sheldon. They cant decide if they should phone Amy and warn her or if they are overreacting. 

As they leave the island with their food to go and sit down, Sheldon enters the apartment with Ramona. The gang stops in their tracks as Sheldon re-introduces her to the gang and mentions how they have been swimming together, The gang awkwardly say hi to her. Ramona comments on how proud she was of sheldon for putting his face underwater. They all sit down and Ramona takes her place next to Shleond where Amy would normally be. Bernadette is the last to join the group and she decided to squeeze herself inbetween Ramona and Sheldon trying to separate them,

(break)

Penny asks Sheldon if he has spoken to Amy that day, He replied 'Yes this morning, And I assume we will before bed tonight". Ramona comments: "He talks about Amy all the time, I cant wait to meet her" And Sheldon responds with 'Yes, She keeps asking how long Amy is away for". Obviously there are alarm bells ringing everywhere. 

Sheldon comment on how Ramona has been working on the CERN project. Ramona continues to say she had a front row seat for it all. Sheldon offers to go get some correspondence that he has with someone that headed the CERN project and if Ramona would like to see them. Obviously she does and Sheldon stands and leave for his own apartment, to which Ramona offered to accompany him. Sheldon being oblivious to her advances comments "oh fun! just like a play date".

The gang are visibly concerned about what was happening. Penny comments about "This is the sort of thing we should be keeping an eye on!!' They all argue about who is going to go over there to keep an eye on things. Eventually the argument turns into 'Who is going to call Amy?'

4B

Sheldon and Ramona are talking in 4B when Sheldon's laptop starts to ring. He excitingly answers to find Amy on the other end. She said she just missed him and wanted to call him. He commented on the perfecting timing as he called as Ramona was there. Amy was NOT impressed by this. Sheldon went on to say how they had been swimming together. He turned the laptop to Ramona so she could say hello to Amy. Just as this happens, Amy's phone get a call form Leonard warning her of Ramona. Sheldon is not impressed with Leonard calling Amy at such a late hour and is still completely oblivious to how inappropriate Ramona being around him is. 

4A

The gang are once again discussing the situation. Raj is sure they are overreacting as someone like Ramona couldn't be pursing Sheldon Cooper. Sheldon and Ramona enter the apartment and Sheldon is apologetic about having to break up the part as Amy has told him he is tired and needs to go to bed. Ramona thanks everyone for Dinner and asks Sheldon to walk her to her car. Penny jumps up at this and offers the whole gang to walk her down to her car. 

We get a scene with the whole gang awkwardly escorting Ramona down the steps to her car, no one is talking at all, Bernadette and penny make efforts to put themselves between Sheldon and Ramona.

Ramona pulls away in her car with the gang watching. Penny tells Sheldon 'we need to talk".

4B

Penny and Sheldon on the couch - Penny is trying to explain to Sheldon about Ramona. He is in denial of her trying to pursue him romantically. He finds it impossible to happen because he is in a relationship with Amy. Penny explains that some girls don't care about that.. Sheldon is still no understanding the situation  and suggest penny and Leonard need marriage counseling. Penny goes on to try and explain in another way with whats happening. She explains that he is a limited addition toy that not everyone can have but some people will try and get it anyway. Sheldon responds with "Well that maybe true But Amy has already taken me out of the package and played with me"...

Sheldon is still not understanding the situation and leaves for bed.

Sheldon's Office

Sheldon is sitting at his desk working when Ramona enters. She asks him if she has had any lunch and he say's no he hasn't. She replies "Good because I made us sandwiches" Sheldon is happy at the gesture but then something snaps in his head. He confronts Ramona head on asking is she is hoping for some kind of romantic relationship with him. "what if I were?" she replies. Sheldon goes on to list that would pose a number of problems because they work together and more importantly, He is with Amy. As he finishes his sentence.. Roman leans in quickly and plants one on Sheldon's lips. 

Sheldon doesn't kiss her back. He just sits there Eyes open from shock. When it ended he is visibly emotionally compromised from what just happened. He just had a look of shock on his face. He stood up from his desk and said "excuse me" and left.

He left the university, Straight into a cab, Straight to the Airport, Seen buying a plane ticket, Sitting on a plane (Watching sponge bob). Arriving in NJ, Going to Princeton, In the hallway looking for Amy's apartment. 

Amy was on her couch in her robe. From the door came a familiar knock of 3 for Sheldon. Amy looked shocked that he was there and rushed fro the door. As she opened the door, We see Sheldon down on 1 knee holding a ring. He was looking up at her with a serious look on his face. 

"Will you marry me"

Amy just stood there in shock. The scene faded out before Amy could answer.

END SEASON 10.

wow.

 

A very remarkable episode for Sheldon & Amy fans. So glad you got to experience it Kazzie. (Also a very good job at creating this report after a long day).

[RoRo]

Thanks Kazzie for info!!

[Jonny]

I'm not saying they will (as we have obviously zero influence over storylines ) but they have first of all got to sort out Penny's career. Explore some both comedic but also maybe serious career options, maybe make it a multi-episode storyline arc with them exploring. A few choices to engineer this could be Penny decides she wants to change or perhaps she has no choice the company starts laying off some sales rep's in the area. The other option would be to perhaps give her a new job in the same company, maybe she heads a sales team for the local area meaning she doesn't have to flirt with doctors anymore to get sales? 

Second I think they need to introduce some actual real hobbies for both of them. Both individual and as a couple, individual ones will allow them to interact both with each other and with their friends a bit more. Couple themed ones also provide interaction between them and some interesting storylines. I'm not going to ever advocate or call for couple only storylines all the time (I wouldn't do that for my ship) but they could balance it better. I think they can still have quality, fun storylines with their friends involved, absolutely.

I know there is a danger of sitcom tropes but why can't they go out a bit more? Still have a date night where they go out for a meal, perhaps go to a pub, bowling? cinema? They used to go out a lot more before marriage for meals.

It's fixable, they have the established chemistry between the actors and the whole backstory. It wouldn't take much to give them some better storylines, but this is not in our control and we have zero influence. I get why some Lennies have hated a lot of their storylines, I think some of them have been shit as well especially that convention storyline earlier in the season as just one example.

Edited April 26, 2017 by Jonny

[JohnPhD]

4 minutes ago, Jonny said:

 

Second I think they need to introduce some actual real hobbies for both of them. Both individual and as a couple, individual ones will allow them to interact both with each other and with their friends a bit more. Couple themed ones also provide interaction between them and some interesting storylines. I'm not going to ever advocate or call for couple only storylines all the time (I wouldn't do that for my ship) but they could balance it better. I think they can still have quality storylines with their friends involved, absolutely.

I know there is a danger of sitcom tropes but why can't they go out a bit more? Still have a date night where they go out for a meal, perhaps go to a pub, bowling? cinema? They used to go out a lot more before marriage for meals.

 

Yes, and I think something their relationship needs is for L to make the effort to get into some outdoor hobbies that Penny likes. I'd like to see Penny on a horse again (the Preparation H ad wasn't enough) so how about their going horseback trekking? I assume the budget will run to some location work with nice scenery. Maybe riding on the beach. And for going out to eat, it's a bit odd that they've never been to a brewpub.

18 hours ago, BBT70 said:

With all the money that will be paid out for season 11 and 12 , CBS cannot afford to lose viewers !

They seem determined to get rid of the remaining old fans who love Penny and Leonard. The only reason I don't stop watching is that I think that's what the program's owners want me to do. The thing I don't understand is why they keep KC and JG on at all now it's degenerated into The Shamy Show.

[veejay]

25 minutes ago, Jonny said:

I'm not saying they will (as we have obviously zero influence over storylines ) but they have first of all got to sort out Penny's career. Explore some both comedic but also maybe serious career options, maybe make it a multi-episode storyline arc with them exploring. A few choices to engineer this could be Penny decides she wants to change or perhaps she has no choice the company starts laying off some sales rep's in the area. The other option would be to perhaps give her a new job in the same company, maybe she heads a sales team for the local area meaning she doesn't have to flirt with doctors anymore to get sales? 

Second I think they need to introduce some actual real hobbies for both of them. Both individual and as a couple, individual ones will allow them to interact both with each other and with their friends a bit more. Couple themed ones also provide interaction between them and some interesting storylines. I'm not going to ever advocate or call for couple only storylines all the time (I wouldn't do that for my ship) but they could balance it better. I think they can still have quality, fun storylines with their friends involved, absolutely.

I know there is a danger of sitcom tropes but why can't they go out a bit more? Still have a date night where they go out for a meal, perhaps go to a pub, bowling? cinema? They used to go out a lot more before marriage for meals.

It's fixable, they have the established chemistry between the actors and the whole backstory. It wouldn't take much to give them some better storylines, but this is not in our control and we have zero influence. I get why some Lennies have hated a lot of their storylines, I think some of them have been shit as well especially that convention storyline earlier in the season as just one example.

Yeah, preach! But I think your words have been falling on deaf ears.

[SRAM]

I can't help it, I'm so happy with this episode, because after having to read for two years how Leonard cheated with Mandy, now Sheldon has cheated with Ramona and I can throw that up to everyone that brings up Leonard again.  Sheldon was even worse because he actually went on a date with Ramona, and like I was told over the last two years, intent does not mean a thing, it is still cheating.  I'm sorry for you Shamy's I know how it feels to have your favorite character labeled as a cheater, after listening about Leonard being labeled that he did that to Penny, I truly feel your pain.

[camelliayao]

Thank you so much Kazzie for the info. 

God I hope Amy's says no. Because I see no logic behind Sheldon's reaction whatsoever. How does he decide to propose all of a sudden? Is it guilt? Is it that he's afraid other people might do what Ramona does to him to Amy? Is he freaking out because of the kiss? It doesn't look like it because he watches sponge bob on the flight to Princeton. 

I hope they figure it out in the premiere of next season, instead of rushing to an engagement that makes not sense. If this indeed is Shamy's long-awaited proposal, I must say I'm very disappointed. 

[SRAM]

Oh BTW, if Sheldon didn't know going on a date with Ramona wasn't cheating, how come he knew that Alex asking that her and Leonard do something, in season6, was her making a play at Leonard.  It is interesting how eidetic memory Sheldon can have amnesia when it benefits him.

[Chrismo]

3 hours ago, shamyyellow said:

It's impossible to know. Leonard said he felt guilty. Sheldon? We have no way of knowing. 

We know you don't like him and you will find a way to spin what he does into negativity, but my first thought was that Sheldon needed Amy in that moment and didn't care what it took to get to her. Those emotions might make one realize that there is no reason to wait. He had the ring on him already (since he never packed a bag) and he was willing to spontaneously fly, without any of his belongings, to the other side of the country. That might be how he knew it was time.

But lets say he was guilty. Since he didn't lead her on or keep Amy a secret or kiss her back, all he has to be guilty of is his inability to read the signs and Amy just recently told him that everybody has weaknesses and that she loves him just the way he is. She knows this about him which is why she yelled at the girls for letting Ramona get close while she was gone. He's easily taken advantage of in situations like this and that's exactly what happened.

He is not my favorite character. my observations are based on what I have read. There is many more who spins things in a positive way and make excuses for him. Sheldon has always been well planned and calculated in what he does. I never saw or read anything coming into this episode that would lead me to believe he was going to propose. His going straight from his office and ending up in Princeton is very OOC.

is he guilty? I don't really know. But to me being clueless on some things and not on other things make it suspicious to me. All I read is that Ramona kissed him and then all of a sudden he went to propose. My conclusion is he felt guilty. Another factor is he went swimming with Ramona which is strange since he doesn't like water. It's not totally strange to do that but it's another thing that appears OOC to me.

when Leonard kissed Mandy I never made excuses for him. Him withholding information from Penny was wrong.

in regards of Amy being upset at the girls in regards to Ramona TBH that not their responsibility. As to Leonard saying something similar to the girl about Penny and wine I would say the same thing but TBH I don't remember when that happened.

 

 

[HeWolf]

Leonard Hofstadter: Well, uh, remember when you tried to learn how to swim using the internet?

Sheldon Cooper: I *did* learn how to swim.

Leonard Hofstadter: On the floor.

Sheldon Cooper: The skills are transferable. I just have no interest in going in the water.

Leonard Hofstadter: Then why learn how to swim?

Sheldon Cooper: The ice caps are melting, Leonard. In the future, swimming isn't going to be optional.

 

Since when does Sheldon swim?

Thanks for the report. Really appreciate the hard work.

 

[shamyarmy2016]

thanks @kazzie

[Cloud Strife]

1 hour ago, JohnPhD said:

The thing I don't understand is why they keep KC and JG on at all now it's degenerated into The Shamy Show.

Because Kaley and Johnny aren't always needed to play lovey dovey Lenny and instead they can put them into seperate plots with different characters.

[BigBang15]

10 hours ago, Chrismo said:

I agree. The final scene should involve Leonard and Sheldon

I would find it that insulting but unfortunately rather predictable.

The final scene should involve Sheldon, Leonard AND Penny. They were the original three. The penultimate scene should have Raj, Howard and the rest.

4 hours ago, snapepans said:

Me too. 

I think people can really see the difference between this kiss and Leonard's boat kiss.

And I hate to say this, but I think this is the writers' intention.

My problem is, knowing these writers, Sheldon will tell Amy pretty quickly about the kiss and the it will be thrown up in Penny & Leonard's face that he waited two years.

[Cloud Strife]

42 minutes ago, HeWolf said:

Leonard Hofstadter: Well, uh, remember when you tried to learn how to swim using the internet?

Sheldon Cooper: I *did* learn how to swim.

Leonard Hofstadter: On the floor.

Sheldon Cooper: The skills are transferable. I just have no interest in going in the water.

Leonard Hofstadter: Then why learn how to swim?

Sheldon Cooper: The ice caps are melting, Leonard. In the future, swimming isn't going to be optional.

 

Since when does Sheldon swim?

Thanks for the report. Really appreciate the hard work.

 

To be fair, that was season 2. A lot could've happened by now. He even has his driver license now.

[spidergirl]

42 minutes ago, HeWolf said:

Leonard Hofstadter: Well, uh, remember when you tried to learn how to swim using the internet?

Sheldon Cooper: I *did* learn how to swim.

Leonard Hofstadter: On the floor.

Sheldon Cooper: The skills are transferable. I just have no interest in going in the water.

Leonard Hofstadter: Then why learn how to swim?

Sheldon Cooper: The ice caps are melting, Leonard. In the future, swimming isn't going to be optional.

 

Since when does Sheldon swim?

Thanks for the report. Really appreciate the hard work.

 

Sheldon have been learning many things lately. Although I think  the way the writers chose to show he learned how to swim was a bit far fetched. The show can not live without these overreacted moments, lol!

[wowbagger]

Now that the finale has been taped (thanks and a stellar job as ever to our wonderful reporters!), maybe time to discuss the season that was?

now, I actually quite liked this season overall. I would even say that it has been the strongest on average since about season six-ish? However, I completely get why some might not share that opinion.

here is what worked for me:

I was really pleasantly surprised by the nuance and sensitivity with which the show dealt with howardette as new parents. Only one breast milk gag, a loving, tender, goofy Howard, sympathetic discussion of Bernie's career and no insistence on 'mom brain' for Bernie. Points docked for the elephant pregnancy, though.

shamy! Look, with very few exceptions I have found the shamy a damn delight this season. Cerebral, off-kilter, effortlessly in sync in ways they just haven't been allowed to be in so very very long. And once the show got over its hideous obsession with sex (poor Bernie and her elephant gestation!) it remembered how FUN these two were before they were shoved into a tense standoff for Sheldon's nadgers.

here is what worked less well:

poor raj. He wasn't ughing like last season, but just what exactly was happening with the poor fucker? Bussed from house to house like a stray, drifting aimlessly into other people's storylines...run, kunal nayyar. You deserve better.

Bert, and our apparent bottomless fascination with his life. Just...why?

here is what did not work at all and just for the love of god do something:

y'all know what I am going to say here. Give Leonard and penny something to do. Let them discover their joy in, like, life, and then in each other. Leonard is in trouble, honestly. The glum snark engine of nowadays is a very far cry from the sweet optimist I vaguely remember liking. I still like penny. In fact she is one of my favourites and I won't lie, any concern I feel for Leonard is because I want penny to be happy and she loves Leonard. Actually that is unfair. I want all of these idiots to be happy. I don't want to feel like I am watching two people endure each other. I remember thinking Lenny was charming on occasion. I want that again. But mostly I want Leonard and penny, as individuals, to have a function and joy on the show. I don't think they can realistically be shown to take joy in each other otherwise.

[Chrismo]

30 minutes ago, Cloud Strife said:

To be fair, that was season 2. A lot could've happened by now. He even has his driver license now.

The drivers license was mentioned. Swimming was not.

30 minutes ago, spidergirl said:

Sheldon have been learning many things lately. Although I think  the way the writers chose to show he learned how to swim was a bit far fetched. The show can not live without these overreacted moments, lol!

Maybe he just wanted to see Ramona in a swimsuit.

[spidergirl]

6 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

Maybe he just wanted to see Ramona in a swimsuit.

Migh be more Ramona wanted to see Sheldon in a swimsuit.

[HeWolf]

29 minutes ago, Cloud Strife said:

To be fair, that was season 2. A lot could've happened by now. He even has his driver license now.

Granted. This is not a silly a reach as the whole 'had his driver's license for two years' bit.

Sheldon is still (when convenient to the writers) an OCD germophobe. The likelihood that he would get into a swimming pool seems a bit of a reach. 

Just curious: What is the deal with the BBT writers and swimming. First we hear about Zack having a swimmer's body and, now, Ramona is an ex-Olympic swimmer. I haven't seen the actress that plays Ramona since her TBBT appearance, but she most certainly did not appear to have a swimmer's physique.

What's next? Sheldon volunteers to drive a party bus to an overnight camping excursion in an aviary? After all, he's changing in so many ways...

[Érika Souza]

4 hours ago, shamyyellow said:

It's impossible to know. Leonard said he felt guilty. Sheldon? We have no way of knowing. 

We know you don't like him and you will find a way to spin what he does into negativity, but my first thought was that Sheldon needed Amy in that moment and didn't care what it took to get to her. Those emotions might make one realize that there is no reason to wait. He had the ring on him already (since he never packed a bag) and he was willing to spontaneously fly, without any of his belongings, to the other side of the country. That might be how he knew it was time.

But lets say he was guilty. Since he didn't lead her on or keep Amy a secret or kiss her back, all he has to be guilty of is his inability to read the signs and Amy just recently told him that everybody has weaknesses and that she loves him just the way he is. She knows this about him which is why she yelled at the girls for letting Ramona get close while she was gone. He's easily taken advantage of in situations like this and that's exactly what happened.

Yeah.. We have to keep in mind that Sheldon was with the ring! What is he thinking? What is the idea? I think the decision is not out of the blue.. But we only will know in season 11. I want Amy says Yes and after they show Sheldon's process of thought. IMO ShAmy are ready for this step (to be engaged).

[wowbagger]

1 hour ago, SRAM said:

I can't help it, I'm so happy with this episode, because after having to read for two years how Leonard cheated with Mandy, now Sheldon has cheated with Ramona and I can throw that up to everyone that brings up Leonard again.  Sheldon was even worse because he actually went on a date with Ramona, and like I was told over the last two years, intent does not mean a thing, it is still cheating.  I'm sorry for you Shamy's I know how it feels to have your favorite character labeled as a cheater, after listening about Leonard being labeled that he did that to Penny, I truly feel your pain.

to you and to chrismo, I can only say this:

gentlemen, kudos. You have found the secret. If Sheldon cheated, then Leonard never said 'there was kissing' on his boat trip. He never sat on the information for two years. He never left out the fact that he sees the woman every day at work. He was never dismissive. And he never asked 'forgiveness' for anything but his tendency to self-sabotage.

that is how logic, consequences and linear time work. Huzzah.

by which I mean: Even if the false equivalency was not breathtaking (which, honestly? Come on), how does that help lennies? Suppose Sheldon HAD participated. Enthusiastically. Suppose he bent Ramona double over that couch and gave her a knee-trembler. Would that undo the boat kiss? Would it magically make Lenny beautifully written in every single episode after season six? Would it unwrite every single 'nerd got hot girl hur hur' gag? Because if so...kudos indeed.

Edited April 26, 2017 by wowbagger

[Chrismo]

3 minutes ago, spidergirl said:

Migh be more Ramona wanted to see Sheldon in a swimsuit.

The only thing I know is they had a swim date.

[spidergirl]

3 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

The only thing I know is they had a swim date.

I think you have to pick up another to follow this conversation.

Have a nice day!

Edited April 26, 2017 by spidergirl

[Chiany]

On 4/26/2017 at 7:37 AM, SRAM said:

I can't help it, I'm so happy with this episode, because after having to read for two years how Leonard cheated with Mandy, now Sheldon has cheated with Ramona and I can throw that up to everyone that brings up Leonard again.  Sheldon was even worse because he actually went on a date with Ramona, and like I was told over the last two years, intent does not mean a thing, it is still cheating.  I'm sorry for you Shamy's I know how it feels to have your favorite character labeled as a cheater, after listening about Leonard being labeled that he did that to Penny, I truly feel your pain.

 but since when are a play date and a romantic date the same thing?

Edited April 28, 2017 by Tensor
Removed comment directed towards another member.

[JohnPhD]

19 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

 

Maybe he just wanted to see Ramona in a swimsuit.

That would be totally OOC for S. If he was interested in that sort of thing he wouldn't be with Amy, would he?