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1 minute ago, Chiany said:

I Know you will come back with a silly answer, but since when are a play date and a romantic date the same thing?

When a man and a woman go swimming together that's a play date? I guess if Ramona and Sheldon were five it would.

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3 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

When a man and a woman go swimming together that's a play date? I guess if Ramona and Sheldon were five it would.

SHeldon used the phrase play date, so in his mind it is a play date.

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2 minutes ago, Chiany said:

SHeldon used the phrase play date, so in his mind it is a play date.

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Just because it was in his mind makes it true. In my mind I could be dating Kaley Cuoco. Does that make it true?

19 minutes ago, wowbagger said:

to you and to chrismo, I can only say this:

gentlemen, kudos. You have found the secret. If Sheldon cheated, then Leonard never said 'there was kissing' on his boat trip. He never sat on the information for two years. He never left out the fact that he sees the woman every day at work. He was never dismissive. And he never asked 'forgiveness' for anything but his tendency to self-sabotage.

that is how logic, consequences and linear time work. Huzzah.

by which I mean: Even if the false equivalency was not breathtaking (which, honestly? Come on), how does that help lennies? Suppose Sheldon HAD participated. Enthusiastically. Suppose he bent Ramona double over that couch and gave her a knee-trembler. Would that undo the boat kiss? Would it magically make Lenny beautifully written in every single episode after season six? Would it unwrite every single 'nerd got hot girl hur hur' gag? Because if so...kudos indeed.

The only thing I can refute is if Sheldon cheated. Back in season 6 Alex asked out Leonard for dinner. If he said yes would that be considered cheating. I would say yes and that is no different than Sheldon going swimming with Ramona.

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5 hours ago, shamyyellow said:

It's impossible to know. Leonard said he felt guilty. Sheldon? We have no way of knowing. 

We know you don't like him and you will find a way to spin what he does into negativity, but my first thought was that Sheldon needed Amy in that moment and didn't care what it took to get to her. Those emotions might make one realize that there is no reason to wait. He had the ring on him already (since he never packed a bag) and he was willing to spontaneously fly, without any of his belongings, to the other side of the country. That might be how he knew it was time.

But lets say he was guilty. Since he didn't lead her on or keep Amy a secret or kiss her back, all he has to be guilty of is his inability to read the signs and Amy just recently told him that everybody has weaknesses and that she loves him just the way he is. She knows this about him which is why she yelled at the girls for letting Ramona get close while she was gone. He's easily taken advantage of in situations like this and that's exactly what happened.

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Thank you so very much to everyone for the spoilers - I'm super grateful as always .
I'm not a debating girl & I'm sure everyone has opinions on the finale - so I'm going to step out of here now but genuinely thank you , thank you fabulous info peeps !
Lovely Lennies I've posted in your thread to , virtual hugs from me :)



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29 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

The drivers license was mentioned. Swimming was not.

So what? They don't have to show every tiny thing on screen. In fact, believe it or not, but if he can do the swimming motions on the ground, he can also transfer it to the water. It's no big deal. Toddlers learn how to swim these days.

11 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

The only thing I can refute is if Sheldon cheated. Back in season 6 Alex asked out Leonard for dinner. If he said yes would that be considered cheating.

No, you would consider it cheating. I wouldn't.

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3 minutes ago, Cloud Strife said:

So what? They don't have to show every tiny thing on screen. In fact, believe it or not, but if he can do the swimming motions on the ground, he can also transfer it to the water. It's no big deal. Toddlers learn how to swim these days.

True. But Sheldon has a thing about germs. That been pretty consistent. I can't remember how many times I've seen a kid throw up at a pool.

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7 minutes ago, Cloud Strife said:

So what? They don't have to show every tiny thing on screen. In fact, believe it or not, but if he can do the swimming motions on the ground, he can also transfer it to the water. It's no big deal. Toddlers learn how to swim these days.

No, you would consider it cheating. I wouldn't.

I learnt to swim 40 odd years by practising the movements on a bench, so I see nothing odd about the way Sheldon learnt.

 

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4 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

True. But Sheldon has a thing about germs. That been pretty consistent. I can't remember how many times I've seen a kid throw up at a pool.

If he can kiss Amy, he can swim in a public pool.

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I guess next season will be about planning a wedding and arguing over the honey moon for all the characters. Here are some of the new secrets about Sheldon i would like to hear about
He secretly loves nasar and wants to go to a tace
He secretly reads his horoscope every day
Has invested his money in the stock market and is now rich
Goes to the gym 3 times a week
Donates his time at a animal shelter on Saturdays
Donates his time at a homeless shelter on Sundays

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6 hours ago, kazzie said:

I absolutely loved how they pulled together to stop Ramona. It was a welcomed plot and super awesome to see them working together to protect Sheldon and Amy (while she was away).

Thank you for the information, @kazzie And I'm thrilled to see the gang for once realizing how serious this was and looking out for Shamy's best interest. Sheldon is not 'clueless' anymore, no. But he will always be naive, and inexperienced as Amy was his first and only. He doesn't know how to read other women, and because Amy is not a whore-ish type of woman who'd go after another woman's man he can't understand how they could. He was raised in a home where his father was unfaithful to his mother, and I doubt he would EVER knowingly encourage that for himself, especially risking Amy's love for him. Winning her back was hard won, and jeopardizing that would kill him emotionally. I think he should have been a little wiser, maybe, in remembering just who he was dealing with from last time concerning Ramona. But I don't think he spent time with her with the intent to cheat or begin something with her. If the spoilers are what they are, then he was clearly thinking of Amy all of the time, missing her, and loving his skype sessions with her. Hardly a man who's adopting the atittude 'When the cat's away, the mouse will play.' TPTB had to throw this in at some point with Sheldon; he's spent nine years on the show celibate and boom. Hopefully it's a final obstacle for Shamy. I understand why they did this; to show Sheldon's fidelity as well as show us his desirability. He is no longer that string bean geek who annoys everyone, but he's a man now and he's grown in both congnizance and emotion. It's unrealistic to think no other woman than Amy would ever have designs on him. Let's just hope Amy understands. I don't think I could do another Season 9. This is very good news, at least.

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Full disclosure. Yes, I'm not completely happy with the way Lenny were written this season, well actually since season 7 to be exact. Oh yes, there were times I could have screamed in frustration when it came to my favorite couple. BUT...there were also A LOT, REALLY A LOT of Lenny moments and scenes, that I absolutely enjoyed since then...even in season 10 so far. Heck, there were even whole episodes this season I enjoyed from start to finish. No kidding! It's simply a mixed bag for me...not black or white, love it or hate it. It's as simple as that. :wink:

And I for one will watch season 11 and 12. I will watch the show till the end. :shy:

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1 hour ago, Cloud Strife said:

Because Kaley and Johnny aren't always needed to play lovey dovey Lenny and instead they can put them into seperate plots with different characters.

KC and JG along with JP are the actors whose star quality created the show. And each pair had a distinct but powerful chemistry. Now not only do we get almost zero Lenny, we also get hardly and P & S and much less L & S than in the classic seasons. It's quite wrong if 2 of the star actors are now demoted to supporting roles and a supporting actress with no star quality is put in the position of leading lady. And since making TBBT into The Shamy Show is getting rid of the old fans that KC and JG gained for it, what's the point anyway?

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7 hours ago, Chiany said:

Simon is a good 3rd. But the rest are very mediocre, who profit of the others abilities.

'Penny' gets a good percentage of the best lines.

She's got great delivery.  

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31 minutes ago, Cloud Strife said:

If he can kiss Amy, he can swim in a public pool.

Yes, and he could also groom dogs, drive a school bus, and wash the feet of homeless people. Point is; Sheldon, as established, would not do any of those things. Nor will he love his child (should he have one) if it's not a genius. How do we know? He told us:

Sheldon: I know, and I do yearn for faster downloads, but there’s some poor woman is going to pin her hopes on my sperm, what if she winds up with a toddler who doesn’t know if he should use an integral or a differential to solve the area under a curve.

Leonard: I’m sure she’ll still love him.

Sheldon: I wouldn’t.

 

I am not trying to be argumentative and apologize if it seems I am. I just believe the writers should honor the character they created and stay true to what they have established as being consistent with that character. They don't, and really never have. This is nothing new but it still bugs me. Thus, I comment on it.

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Wow at this final. And to think we actually did get more Amy than a Skype, didn't expect this sort of ending. As I was reading this taping report, I seriously feared the worst the more I went in. But I loved the ending. 

With two more seasons left, obviously shamy will be engaged for an entire season, I can't see it being any earlier the wedding. It wouldn't surprise me if the wedding is the first episode of season 12. Penny pregnant in season 11 final or early season 12. 

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7 minutes ago, JohnPhD said:

KC and JG along with JP are the actors whose star quality created the show. And each pair had a distinct but powerful chemistry. Now not only do we get almost zero Lenny, we also get hardly and P & S and much less L & S than in the classic seasons. It's quite wrong if 2 of the star actors are now demoted to supporting roles and a supporting actress with no star quality is put in the position of leading lady. And since making TBBT into The Shamy Show is getting rid of the old fans that KC and JG gained for it, what's the point anyway?

No, I think Simon and Kunal played just as big of a part in it. Almost zero Lenny? Considering this week's episode is mainly about Lenny, I would say this isn't true either. And there were plenty of other episodes focusing on Lenny this season.

They're certainly not getting rid of me and I like Lenny more than any other characters.

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53 minutes ago, luminous said:

*sigh* As a person in need of harmony and someone who can't stand negativity this forum is really a sad place at times. Like...right now.

My ideal of a forum is a place where discussions take place in a civil manner, where all opinions are treated with respect and where the members act like a big community. A community of TBBT fans. :shy:

This won't ever happen. But one can dream, right? :icon_wink:

Always dreaming. Dreams always help us to face life's issues. :)

20 minutes ago, luminous said:

Full disclosure. Yes, I'm not completely happy with the way Lenny were written this season, well actually since season 7 to be exact. Oh yes, there were times I could have screamed in frustration when it came to my favorite couple. BUT...there were also A LOT, REALLY A LOT of Lenny moments and scenes, that I absolutely enjoyed since then...even in season 10 so far. Heck, there were even whole episodes this season I enjoyed from start to finish. No kidding! It's simply a mixed bag for me...not black or white, love it or hate it. It's as simple as that. :wink:

And I for one will watch season 11 and 12. I will watch the show till the end. :shy:

And it will be a pleasure to share fan love for this show with you. Always :)

 

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1 hour ago, wowbagger said:

Now that the finale has been taped (thanks and a stellar job as ever to our wonderful reporters!), maybe time to discuss the season that was?

now, I actually quite liked this season overall. I would even say that it has been the strongest on average since about season six-ish? However, I completely get why some might not share that opinion.

here is what worked for me:

I was really pleasantly surprised by the nuance and sensitivity with which the show dealt with howardette as new parents. Only one breast milk gag, a loving, tender, goofy Howard, sympathetic discussion of Bernie's career and no insistence on 'mom brain' for Bernie. Points docked for the elephant pregnancy, though.

shamy! Look, with very few exceptions I have found the shamy a damn delight this season. Cerebral, off-kilter, effortlessly in sync in ways they just haven't been allowed to be in so very very long. And once the show got over its hideous obsession with sex (poor Bernie and her elephant gestation!) it remembered how FUN these two were before they were shoved into a tense standoff for Sheldon's nadgers.

here is what worked less well:

poor raj. He wasn't ughing like last season, but just what exactly was happening with the poor fucker? Bussed from house to house like a stray, drifting aimlessly into other people's storylines...run, kunal nayyar. You deserve better.

Bert, and our apparent bottomless fascination with his life. Just...why?

here is what did not work at all and just for the love of god do something:

y'all know what I am going to say here. Give Leonard and penny something to do. Let them discover their joy in, like, life, and then in each other. Leonard is in trouble, honestly. The glum snark engine of nowadays is a very far cry from the sweet optimist I vaguely remember liking. I still like penny. In fact she is one of my favourites and I won't lie, any concern I feel for Leonard is because I want penny to be happy and she loves Leonard. Actually that is unfair. I want all of these idiots to be happy. I don't want to feel like I am watching two people endure each other. I remember thinking Lenny was charming on occasion. I want that again. But mostly I want Leonard and penny, as individuals, to have a function and joy on the show. I don't think they can realistically be shown to take joy in each other otherwise.

Yeah, what you said.

I think getting Penny a career and/or a hobby they BOTH enjoy is the key to next season.  I still think her working for a local TV station would be plausible and also interesting and would create unpredictable situations.

I like the fact that Penny still provides the glue - or is the 'real world' translator for Sheldon.  I like that she had the key conversation with him in this episode, as she has done so often. [I'm feeling warm and fuzzy about this pair right now because WDCA showed the "Please don't hurt my friend" episode last night.]

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13 minutes ago, Cloud Strife said:

No, I think Simon and Kunal played just as big of a part in it. Almost zero Lenny? Considering this week's episode is mainly about Lenny, I would say this isn't true either. And there were plenty of other episodes focusing on Lenny this season.

They're certainly not getting rid of me and I like Lenny more than any other characters.

I wouldn't say zero either . But the last 2-3 years their role has been diminished especially this season.

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12 minutes ago, HeWolf said:

Yes, and he could also groom dogs, drive a school bus, and wash the feet of homeless people. Point is; Sheldon, as established, would not do any of those things. Nor will he love his child (should he have one) if it's not a genius. How do we know? He told us:

Sheldon: I know, and I do yearn for faster downloads, but there’s some poor woman is going to pin her hopes on my sperm, what if she winds up with a toddler who doesn’t know if he should use an integral or a differential to solve the area under a curve.

Leonard: I’m sure she’ll still love him.

Sheldon: I wouldn’t.

 

I am not trying to be argumentative and apologize if it seems I am. I just believe the writers should honor the character they created and stay true to what they have established as being consistent with that character. They don't, and really never have. This is nothing new but it still bugs me. Thus, I comment on it.

He also kept saying kissing is unsanitary and he'd never have sex with a woman and would rather make a baby in a petri dish. Yet, here he is, in a relationship with Amy. He was even willing to impregnate her earlier this season. What he says and what he ends up doing are two different things. 

1 hour ago, wowbagger said:

Now that the finale has been taped (thanks and a stellar job as ever to our wonderful reporters!), maybe time to discuss the season that was?

I liked the season very much overall. 

2 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

But the last 2-3 years their role has been diminished especially this season.

Disagreed. I think they're fine.

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10 minutes ago, Capt. Hilts said:

I like that she had the key conversation with him in this episode, as she has done so often.

Although in this conversation Sheldon couldn't refrain from his usual dig at Lenny. :icon_rolleyes:

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8 minutes ago, Cloud Strife said:

 

Disagreed. I think they're fine.

As a couple yes. In regards to quality and quantity of storyline no. The continuing lack of communication and nothing in common storylines IMO are getting old. I will say Thursday looks good for them

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