[Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10

[Chrismo]

25 minutes ago, HeWolf said:

I don't necessarily ship any couple, but if TPTB told them that, then TPTB are insane. TBBT has rammed Shamy down the throats of the viewers and reduced Lenny to second string, but Lenny are still the end game for the show. L/P were foundation the whole thing was built on. It was their relationship, along with their interactions with Sheldon that made it all work. A lot of the L/P stuff with Sheldon has been transferred to Amy, but even in the finale they are still trying to keep him on track. Amy is as much mother to him as girlfriend and  a show built wholly on Sheldon acting like a giant child while she parents him would get old pretty fast.

It may be pretty much the Shamy show at the moment, but dropping Lenny and making that official would lose them a lot of viewers. Myself being one.

Someone suggested Amy should turn down Sheldon's proposal. IMO that would be the end of Shamy. Sheldon has a massive ego and I don't see him reacting well to that sort of rejection. Though why Amy, or anyone else, would want to marry an egotistical, narcissistic, man-child is beyond my comprehension. 

Maybe it's time since there trying to turn him into a human being to teach him some humility and have Amy say no. Especially since it was so easy for him to get Amy back.(Dave)

4 minutes ago, jenafan said:

I took time out of my busy schedule just to sign in and like this post.

It's is twice now Sheldon has been forced upon, and no one is accusing him of being inappropriate with Beverly.

Leonard willingly kissed Mandy until it bothered his conscience, then he put a stop to it.  

Two different scenarios....

To all for the spoilers, thank you so much. I am Shamy ecstatic and excited over the group ensemble.

I wish I could participate more in these discussions, bit life happens, and my time over the past couple of months has been limited.  

I miss everyone. 

Two different scenarios doesn't make Leonard only guilty and Sheldon innocent.

[JohnPhD]

So S proposes to A as the finale? I can't think how to word my reaction that would be acceptable. But given that, will the makers have the integrity to make them both act in character? I doubt it. Because I believe if A accepts the most IC thing for S to do would be to totally panic, only now beginning to understand what he's done. So do I think that's what we'll see? Hell no, it's the Shamy Show, innit.

[spidergirl]

12 minutes ago, jenafan said:

I took time out of my busy schedule just to sign in and like this post.

It's is twice now Sheldon has been forced upon, and no one is accusing him of being inappropriate with Beverly.

Leonard willingly kissed Mandy until it bothered his conscience, then he put a stop to it.  

Two different scenarios....

To all for the spoilers, thank you so much. I am Shamy ecstatic and excited over the group ensemble.

I wish I could participate more in these discussions, bit life happens, and my time over the past couple of months has been limited.  

I miss everyone. 

Miss you too. Glad to see a post from you. Always love to read your thoughts about tbbt.

Edited April 26, 2017 by spidergirl

[Tonstar17]

Thanks@Kazzie and others for the finale TR. I'm glad for shamy, I truly am, because my beef is not with Shamy, or the writers. but with myself for watching when i should have given up after S8. But yeah great times ahead for shamy. Unfortunately cannot say the same for Lenny.

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[Gbb]

9 hours ago, wowbagger said:

but why did the proposal have to be coupled with this sort of nonsense at all? Blech.

I'm responding before reading to the end of the thread so someone may have already said something similar, but I saw the "must go propose now" reaction to Ramona's kiss as as a logical progression in Sheldon's mind. Because he's so literal and sees things in black and white, Penny's warning about Ramona made no sense to him. "I'm with Amy." He knows he's off the market and committed to someone else, ergo Ramona couldn't possibly be pursuing him. That would be wrong. But Penny's warning was still rattling around in that big ol' brain of his, so when she shows up at his office with lunch, he confronts her head on: "Are you interested in a romantic relationship?" When she plays coy, he explains why that can't happen: "work colleagues, but most of all Amy." Instead of understanding and saying "Okay, never mind," she kisses him. Clearly saying he has a girlfriend doesn't cut it. I think at that moment he felt like he wanted to do everything in his power to fix this and protect his relationship with Amy no matter what.

We know he wants to marry her. He knows it. He's had the ring forever. Who knows why he's been hesitant to take the final step. Memories of his parents terrible marriage maybe? Maybe he doesn't even know why. But I think Ramona kissing him crystallized it for him. He doesn't want anyone else and he wants anyone who might set their sites on him or Amy to know they're married and truly committed to one another.

Now all of this is with the proviso that I'm going by what I've heard of the episode from Kazzie's amazing recap and may or may not feel the same way once I see the final edited version, but for now, I'm good.

[Capt. Hilts]

13 minutes ago, MTBigBangTheoryFan said:

A person you see almost every day for 10 Years and live across the hall from who sometimes you are around for several hours (or more) a day is not a stranger! 

Penny and Sheldon may have been strangers in season 1 but in season 10 they absolutely are not. 

They're not very good at being "strangers" as they have conversations about the most intimate of topics.

[bfm]

Okay, before I make my elaborated comment about the finale I need to say this: Why do you people (not all of course) just detrmine that Leonard reciprocated the kiss or even initiated it? This was never shown so there is no possibility for us to know. From what he said it could be a similar scenario, Mandy initating and shocked, drunk Leonard not stopping it quickly enough. That is how I interpret it and what bothers me about it is him hiding it for two years (so terribly OOC but that's besides the point). My interpretation could be wrong, just like yours. These unjustified accusation make mad, and I'm not one to get mad easily.

 

 

(Of course since it's The Sheldon Show TPTB will probably have him confess right after or during his proposal and have Amy praise him and him sticking it in Leonard's face because "oooh Sheldon is so awesome and Leonard is just a lousy looser". That's again besides the point though.)

[Érika Souza]

Just now, Gbb said:

I'm responding before reading to the end of the thread so someone may have already said something similar, but I saw the "must go propose now" reaction to Ramona's kiss as as a logical progression in Sheldon's mind. Because he's so literal and sees things in black and white, Penny's warning about Ramona made no sense to him. "I'm with Amy." He knows he's off the market and committed to someone else, ergo Ramona couldn't possibly be pursuing him. That would be wrong. But Penny's warning was still rattling around in that big ol' brain of his, so when she shows up at his office with lunch, he confronts her head on: "Are you interested in a romantic relationship?" When she plays coy, he explains why that can't happen: "work colleagues, but most of all Amy." Instead of understanding and saying "Okay, never mind," she kisses him. Clearly saying he has a girlfriend doesn't cut it. I think at that moment he felt like he wanted to do everything in his power to fix this and protect his relationship with Amy no matter what.

We know he wants to marry her. He knows it. He's had the ring forever. Who knows why he's been hesitant to take the final step. Memories of his parents terrible marriage maybe? Maybe he doesn't even know why. But I think Ramona kissing him crystallized it for him. He doesn't want anyone else and he wants anyone who might set their sites on him or Amy to know they're married and truly committed to one another.

Now all of this is with the proviso that I'm going by what I've heard of the episode from Kazzie's amazing recap and may or may not feel the same way once I see the final edited version, but for now, I'm good.

I love this! 

[spidergirl]

9 minutes ago, Gbb said:

I'm responding before reading to the end of the thread so someone may have already said something similar, but I saw the "must go propose now" reaction to Ramona's kiss as as a logical progression in Sheldon's mind. Because he's so literal and sees things in black and white, Penny's warning about Ramona made no sense to him. "I'm with Amy." He knows he's off the market and committed to someone else, ergo Ramona couldn't possibly be pursuing him. That would be wrong. But Penny's warning was still rattling around in that big ol' brain of his, so when she shows up at his office with lunch, he confronts her head on: "Are you interested in a romantic relationship?" When she plays coy, he explains why that can't happen: "work colleagues, but most of all Amy." Instead of understanding and saying "Okay, never mind," she kisses him. Clearly saying he has a girlfriend doesn't cut it. I think at that moment he felt like he wanted to do everything in his power to fix this and protect his relationship with Amy no matter what.

We know he wants to marry her. He knows it. He's had the ring forever. Who knows why he's been hesitant to take the final step. Memories of his parents terrible marriage maybe? Maybe he doesn't even know why. But I think Ramona kissing him crystallized it for him. He doesn't want anyone else and he wants anyone who might set their sites on him or Amy to know they're married and truly committed to one another.

Now all of this is with the proviso that I'm going by what I've heard of the episode from Kazzie's amazing recap and may or may not feel the same way once I see the final edited version, but for now, I'm good.

Agree and love so much your post! Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts on this 

Edited April 26, 2017 by spidergirl

[Chrismo]

5 minutes ago, bfm said:

Okay, before I make my elaborated comment about the finale I need to say this: Why do you people (not all of course) just detrmine that Leonard reciprocated the kiss or even initiated it? This was never shown so there is no possibility for us to know. From what he said it could be a similar scenario, Mandy initating and shocked, drunk Leonard not stopping it quickly enough. That is how I interpret it and what bothers me about it is him hiding it for two years (so terribly OOC but that's besides the point). My interpretation could be wrong, just like yours. These unjustified accusation make mad, and I'm not one to get mad easily.

 

 

(Of course since it's The Sheldon Show TPTB will probably have him confess right after or during his proposal and have Amy praise him and him sticking it in Leonard's face because "oooh Sheldon is so awesome and Leonard is just a lousy looser". That's again besides the point though.)

As sram, myself and others pointed out it great to see Sheldon as the cheater now.

[serena_1995]

But wasn't  Amy was sympathetic  to Leonard's boat kiss and defend Leonard to Penny ? So I don't see why  she would  hold the Ramona kiss against Sheldon .  I can see why she may not immediately say yes, until they have a conversation.

Edited October 1, 2017 by serena_1995

[Bigbang.daily]

Did sheldon only propose do get rid of Romona for his life it's not really clear why he did it 

[Chrismo]

3 minutes ago, Bigbang.daily said:

Did sheldon only propose do get rid of Romona for his life it's not really clear why he did it 

It really depends who you talk to on this thread. But your post is as good as any.

[serena_1995]

19 minutes ago, bfm said:

 

(Of course since it's The Sheldon Show TPTB will probably have him confess right after or during his proposal and have Amy praise him and him sticking it in Leonard's face because "oooh Sheldon is so awesome and Leonard is just a lousy looser". That's again besides the point though.)

 

Really ?? Why would they "stick it" to Leonard ? Amy was shown to be sympathetic to Leonard's boat kiss .Amy defended Leonard to Penny. Leonard was NOT painted as the bad guy at all by the writers . Quite the contrary, everyone made excuses for him and it was never mentioned again. 

Edited April 26, 2017 by serena_1995

[wowbagger]

10 minutes ago, Gbb said:

I'm responding before reading to the end of the thread so someone may have already said something similar, but I saw the "must go propose now" reaction to Ramona's kiss as as a logical progression in Sheldon's mind. Because he's so literal and sees things in black and white, Penny's warning about Ramona made no sense to him. "I'm with Amy." He knows he's off the market and committed to someone else, ergo Ramona couldn't possibly be pursuing him. That would be wrong. But Penny's warning was still rattling around in that big ol' brain of his, so when she shows up at his office with lunch, he confronts her head on: "Are you interested in a romantic relationship?" When she plays coy, he explains why that can't happen: "work colleagues, but most of all Amy." Instead of understanding and saying "Okay, never mind," she kisses him. Clearly saying he has a girlfriend doesn't cut it. I think at that moment he felt like he wanted to do everything in his power to fix this and protect his relationship with Amy no matter what.

We know he wants to marry her. He knows it. He's had the ring forever. Who knows why he's been hesitant to take the final step. Memories of his parents terrible marriage maybe? Maybe he doesn't even know why. But I think Ramona kissing him crystallized it for him. He doesn't want anyone else and he wants anyone who might set their sites on him or Amy to know they're married and truly committed to one another.

Now all of this is with the proviso that I'm going by what I've heard of the episode from Kazzie's amazing recap and may or may not feel the same way once I see the final edited version, but for now, I'm good.

I misspoke (typed?). I understood the logic, I am only disappointed that the proposal had to be combined with a rather eyerolling plot (Ramona going all bunny boiler). I wasn't fussed about a shamy wedding (I am on record as being quite happy about an offscreen affair mentioned in passing!), but had there been one, this is my preferred ranking of reasons:

I love you, you love me, P A R T E E E

 

bureaucratic reasons

 

tax reasons

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

anything with any sort of whiff of staking a claim or indicating that another person has a claim on you. And the arrival of Ramona shed this, to my mind, less than happy odour on the proposal.

obviously these options are not mutually exclusive. I was just annoyed about the Ramona thing, and I confess the proposal doesn't redeem it. In fact the Ramona thing smirches (stronger word than I mean, really) the proposal.

but I am honestly not all that irritated. It has been a good season for shamy, in my book.

The penultimate episode sounds far more up my alley than this one, but the finale still has stuff that sounds like fun.

[MTBigBangTheoryFan]

Personally, I like to see more group oriented Episodes in season 11 like they use to have in season 4 and 5.  But it seems those days are gone. 

TBH Season 7 was really the last great season. A lot of shows seem to decline in quality after their 5th, 6th or 7th seasons. Maybe season 11 should be the last. 

 

Thank You @kazzie for your report. Glad you had a fun time. 

Edited April 26, 2017 by MTBigBangTheoryFan

[Tonstar17]

What a disappointing finale if you are a lenny. No progress or resolution for lenny. I guess the fighting arc will be carried over to S11 whenever they need to pull the card and the continuous snark by others how they should get a divorce. Well nothing new to discuss for Lenny. As I have said before, nothing tptb do these days shocks me anymore when it comes to lenny. They have just proved what they think of lenny and how much they are not on their radar.

I guess what we didn't get for lenny when they got engaged will now be played out by shamy in S11 and what we didn't get for lenny marriage will also be played out in S12.. It's just the way it is now and what brings in the money and what the TPTB think the fans want. The show now is dead to me and I probably  wouldn't even bother watching 10x22 now.

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[Swedish Chef]

2 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

What a disappointing finale if you are a lenny. No progress or resolution for lenny. I guess the fighting arc will be carried over to S11 whenever they need to pull the card and the continuous snark by others how they should get a divorce. Well nothing new to discuss for Lenny. As I have said before, nothing tptb do these days shocks me anymore when it comes to lenny. They have just proved what they think of lenny and how much they are not on their radar.

I guess what we didn't get for lenny when they got engaged will now be played out by shamy in S11 and what we didn't get for lenny marriage will also be played out in S12.. It's just the way it is now and what brings in the money and what the TPTB think the fans want. The show now is dead to me and I probably  wouldn't even bother watching 10x22 now.

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I feel your pain, and I think you are so right in what you are predicting 

[Capt. Hilts]

3 minutes ago, MTBigBangTheoryFan said:

Personally, I like to see more group oriented Episodes in season 11 like they use to have in season 4 and 5.  But it seems those days are gone. 

Yes, I like those, too.  Cheesecake Factory, video games, whatever.

THIS is why I oppose larding the show with guest stars or new characters.

[Anita]

12 minutes ago, Gbb said:

Because he's so literal and sees things in black and white, Penny's warning about Ramona made no sense to him. "I'm with Amy." He knows he's off the market and committed to someone else, ergo Ramona couldn't possibly be pursuing him. That would be wrong.

You would be totally right  if he hadn't told the story of his father cheating. He has witnessed infidelity, so he is aware of the fact that a man or a woman can pursue a married person. I can understand him mistaking ramona's advances like friendly and not romantic and being obliviou of her hitting on him, he is nomexpert in conventional flirting, but until penny points itout to him, after that  not undersanting the posibility at all is a bit far fetched to me.

[veejay]

14 minutes ago, serena_1995 said:

But wasn't  Amy was sympathetic  to Leonard's boat kiss and defend Leonard to Penny ? So I don't see why  she would  hold the Ramona kiss against Sheldon .  I can see why she may not immediately say yes, until they have a conversation,  but I just hope they don't drag out this goddamn soap opera. 

I think this Amy/Sheldon/Ramona stuff should be resolved soon in season 11 so they can get back to some good old fun geeky stuff like experiments or FWF and more group episodes.  Or focus on Sheldon's career or Amy's career and give some relationship centric plots to Lenny instead. 

THIS!

Edited April 26, 2017 by veejay

[shamyyellow]

18 minutes ago, Gbb said:

I'm responding before reading to the end of the thread so someone may have already said something similar, but I saw the "must go propose now" reaction to Ramona's kiss as as a logical progression in Sheldon's mind. Because he's so literal and sees things in black and white, Penny's warning about Ramona made no sense to him. "I'm with Amy." He knows he's off the market and committed to someone else, ergo Ramona couldn't possibly be pursuing him. That would be wrong. But Penny's warning was still rattling around in that big ol' brain of his, so when she shows up at his office with lunch, he confronts her head on: "Are you interested in a romantic relationship?" When she plays coy, he explains why that can't happen: "work colleagues, but most of all Amy." Instead of understanding and saying "Okay, never mind," she kisses him. Clearly saying he has a girlfriend doesn't cut it. I think at that moment he felt like he wanted to do everything in his power to fix this and protect his relationship with Amy no matter what.

We know he wants to marry her. He knows it. He's had the ring forever. Who knows why he's been hesitant to take the final step. Memories of his parents terrible marriage maybe? Maybe he doesn't even know why. But I think Ramona kissing him crystallized it for him. He doesn't want anyone else and he wants anyone who might set their sites on him or Amy to know they're married and truly committed to one another.

Now all of this is with the proviso that I'm going by what I've heard of the episode from Kazzie's amazing recap and may or may not feel the same way once I see the final edited version, but for now, I'm good.

The part I bolded combined with the rest of your post brought me back to something I discussed in the Shamy thread before we knew how the finale would turn out.

Earlier this season, Sheldon tried to sabotage his relationship with Amy after they moved in together because they were bickering like his parents used to. He told the story about walking in on his dad with another woman and when Penny asked if he was afraid of doing something like that to Amy, he said yes. Irrational or not (as I don't see Sheldon any more interested in women generally than he was before Amy), that fear was in his head and when Ramona kissed him, it was like his worst nightmare coming true. 

I know some people who aren't fond of Sheldon will say this is proof that he cheated, but it's actually the opposite. It was one of his worst fears playing out in front of his face without his permission and that is justification for what happened next. Of course he was going to need her after that happened. 

[Vittoria Jacoel]

Thank you very much@kazzie for the detailed TR!you are wonderful![emoji4]


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[Sah]

11 hours ago, bfm said:

Thanks so much to everybody who shared!!! 

Please don't take our tremendous frustration as somehoe related to you, it is all about the writers.

Thank you and understood...for the record I feel terrible for My Lenny friends. I can see how much of a bummer the season and finale must have been...I hope nothing but the best for all of the characters on this show and feel they are all integral to chemistry and interest of the show.

[luminous]

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