[Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10

[Anita]

15 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

But he went on the swim date(s) with Ramona. That had nothing to do with the kiss.

There you go again, It's only a romantic date if both of them know it. Yo can go to a swiming pool with a friend of the opposite sex and not be romantically involved or intend to be, I promise. 

[Tenji]

If your living someone and you go on any kind of date with a different person imo you are cheating

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I'm confused. How is going swimming with someone a date!? I thought the 'play date' comment was a simile that Sheldon used. Why are a few people trying to suggest Sheldon cheated in this episode!? I'm genuinely curious if this is actually what some people believe.

[wowbagger]

Just now, Tenji said:

I'm confused. How is going swimming with someone a date!? I thought the 'play date' comment was a simile that Sheldon used. Why are a few people trying to suggest Sheldon cheated in this episode!? I'm genuinely curious if this is actually what some people believe.

The opinion among some seems to be that if Sheldon cheated, then Leonard's boat kiss didn't happen. Because that's how that works. The Cooper Wang erases history.

[Strawberry PopTart Fan]

5 hours ago, luminous said:

Full disclosure. Yes, I'm not completely happy with the way Lenny were written this season, well actually since season 7 to be exact. Oh yes, there were times I could have screamed in frustration when it came to my favorite couple. BUT...there were also A LOT, REALLY A LOT of Lenny moments and scenes, that I absolutely enjoyed since then...even in season 10 so far. Heck, there were even whole episodes this season I enjoyed from start to finish. No kidding! It's simply a mixed bag for me...not black or white, love it or hate it. It's as simple as that.

And I for one will watch season 11 and 12. I will watch the show till the end.

There's much to be said about being grateful for a great run and looking forward to some more good Lenny times, Luminous! 

[Anita]

11 minutes ago, legacy99 said:

If your living someone and you go on any kind of date with a different person imo you are cheating

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What?? If you go to the cinema, to a park, to lunch with a friend,  a male friend in my case being your intention just enjoy a friend company is cheating?. I am a cheater 

[Chrismo]

6 minutes ago, Anita said:

There you go again, It's only a romantic date if both of them know it. Yo can go to a swiming pool with a friend of the opposite sex and not be romantically involved or intend to be, I promise. 

Are Ramona and Sheldon friends?

Just now, Anita said:

What?? If you go to the cinema, to a park, to lunch with a friend,  a male friend in my case being your intention just enjoy a friend company is cheating?. I am a cheater 

Ramona hasn't been on the show in 8 years.

[MTBigBangTheoryFan]

2 minutes ago, Tenji said:

I'm confused. How is going swimming with someone a date!? I thought the 'play date' comment was a simile that Sheldon used. Why are a few people trying to suggest Sheldon cheated in this episode!? I'm genuinely curious if this is actually what some people believe.

 

Well to be honest it people who don't like Sheldon who are suggesting that.  I am not the biggest fan of Sheldon but no he did not cheat. For n tinhg, he did not response in return.  But even then it be debatable

I still say Leonard didn't cheat either.  

[A Shamy gal]

Just now, Tenji said:

I'm confused. How is going swimming with someone a date!? I thought the 'play date' comment was a simile that Sheldon used. Why are a few people trying to suggest Sheldon cheated in this episode!? I'm genuinely curious if this is actually what some people believe.

He didn't even use the 'play date' comment in reference to the swimming, it was in reference to going to 4B to show her some correspondence that he had with someone that headed the CERN project. 

[spidergirl]

20 minutes ago, legacy99 said:

If your living someone and you go on any kind of date with a different person imo you are cheating

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Oh I am a cheater then! So a man can not hang out with a woman as a friend? I would have never thought to read something like this in these days of century 21!

Edited April 26, 2017 by spidergirl

[Chrismo]

4 minutes ago, wowbagger said:

The opinion among some seems to be that if Sheldon cheated, then Leonard's boat kiss didn't happen. Because that's how that works. The Cooper Wang erases history.

Who said that?

[Tenji]

He didn't even use the 'play date' comment in reference to the swimming, it was in reference to going to 4B to show her some correspondence that he had with someone that headed the CERN project. 

That's what I thought and even then it reads as a simile so he is speaking figuratively as opposed to literally.

[Chrismo]

1 minute ago, spidergirl said:

Oh I am a cheater then! So a man can not hang out with a woman as a friend? I would have never thought to read something like this in these days of century 21!

 

4 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

Are Ramona and Sheldon friends?

Ramona hasn't been on the show in 8 years.

 

[Tenji]

Who said that?

Nobody literally said it and that, I would imagine, is why Wowbagger said that it 'seems' to be.

[A Shamy gal]

20 minutes ago, legacy99 said:

If your living someone and you go on any kind of date with a different person imo you are cheating

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In which case, Sheldon and Penny both cheated on their SO when she took him for ice cream.

[shamyyellow]

2 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

Are Ramona and Sheldon friends?

Ramona hasn't been on the show in 8 years.

So you're saying that they couldn't do these activities as friends because they aren't friends so it must've been a date? I think something is broken here. If it can be a date, it can certainly be platonic and since we're talking about Sheldon, that's most certainly what it was. I know you hate that Sheldon gets a pass, but when he doesn't even notice that Ramona is a girl until he sees her boobs in a bathing suit, there is just no way to continue the argument that swimming was a date! If I agree to drinks with someone I worked with 8 years ago and realize way after the fact that it was meant to be a date, did I cheat on my SO? 

[spidergirl]

2 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

 

 

Sheldon was friendly hanging out with her, not in a romantic sense. And from a perspective of someone who is friendly hanging out with other that doesnt mean they are cheating the SO. About the intentions of someone like Ramona we can not control what is in others minds who interact with us. So Sheldon or any man who is hanging out with a woman he doesnt  see as a romantic partner , it  is not his fault the intentions of the woman being diferents than his. 

[Anita]

2 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

Are Ramona and Sheldon friends?

Ramona hasn't been on the show in 8 years.

I'm not going to enter in the definition of friendship, but yes, it's a new friend, someone  you know and you get along with. It's bert a friend? Its the neighbour from downstairs a friend? And both were in the brunch party. Its a pool, and a public one I assume, what is wrong with swiming with a person with who you have not a sexual interest, best friend or new friend ?I swim with unknown people at the gym every day. 

[legacy99]

In which case, Sheldon and Penny both cheated on their SO when she took him for ice cream.

I don't think Ramona is one his best friends. I know a couple of women that considers going out with another woman is cheating

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[Chrismo]

21 minutes ago, Thyanic said:

this... totally agree...

First of all thank you to all those who kindly provide us spoilers.. really really appreciate it!!! big THANK YOU!!!
Second, although there's a lot of good positive points that almost change my mind... I do think that Sheldon cheated on amy; I'm a shamy shipper (honestly not the same way that I used to be) but most of all I'm a Amy shipper, and it hurts me so much the way she has been treated (obviously by the writers in form of Sheldon and his sometimes unbelievable circumstances). Is Sheldon that stupid to not realize the real intentions from Ramona even when Penny was warning him about it, sorry I don't buy that sh*t!!!...He was spending so much time with Ramona and clearly we was enjoying her company, otherwise he would've used one of his stupid excuses in order to keep her away, (like he did with Vanessa and had used multiple times with amy and no, i don't want sheldon to be "exclusive" for amy, he has the right to hang out with whoever he wants (including women) same right that amy has (including man); what bothers me is the fact that suddenly from nowhere sheldon is allow to spend time with a woman that is not even one of his closest friends, put them aside just to please her, have a date, yes it was a date, because as far as we know they were alone swimming in a public pool (or was it a "private one"?) where is his germophobe?? (oh yes!! that excuse was only for amy),  and if that was not enough he let her kiss him, he was not capable to push her back from minute he felt her lips on his (we don't how much the kiss last) or when he saw her leaning toward him, he was not capable to say her simple "NO, that's not correct", why was she the one who stopped the kiss?? he only said excuse me and ran away, what did sheldon really feel?? Guilt because he knows he was cheating on amy?? or because he enjoyed the kiss "more than he thought he would"?? who knows!!! (it's a lorre comedy)... I just really hope that he is completly honest with amy, she deserves a proper explanation of what happened from sheldon's mouth, not from raj, bernie or penny much less Ramona... and I hope Amy asks sheldon the real reasons why he is proposing at that moment because not so much time ago she was crying because his lack of interest in marriage and because she didn't see any indication he was going to do it.

And for the ep 23.. wow!! amy only gets some action from Sheldon in form of an anual present (on her birthday, because you know it's only once a year), when sheldon feels the need to procreate a superior human being (because you know it's for science) or as farewell gift (because you know she's about to leave and he needs to be sure that she's happy and there won''t be the risk to lose her with another scientist), .. wow!! how humiliating is that!! I think she deserves to be loved and desired by her partner at any time not only in "risk to lose" or "special aka sheldon's terms" ocasions, there is not need to "sacrifice" sheldon because it seems that it is exactly what he does... is enough to see the way he kisses her... (i bet the kiss with ramona is more believable than the all shamy kisses together)...

I'm so sorry Lenny fans, i feel your pain.. you deserve so much better than this pile of cr*p.. i do really hope that if the shamy engagement is on, now the writers can focus on lenny making a good plot for them (yes I know it's difficult to believe but it's not impossible let's hope!!) hugs from another dissapointed former shipper!!!

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I guess there is at least one shamy shipper that agrees

2 minutes ago, legacy99 said:

I don't think Ramona is one his best friends. I know a couple of women that considers going out with another woman is cheating

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I miss the Penny Ramona comparison.

[snapepans]

I hate the Leonard's boat kiss plot so much. I wish it never happened. 

But to me, the more disappointing feeling is in 1024, the writers couldn't stress enough that "Sheldon is NOT a cheater." The entire episode, he was only thinking about Amy, and Ramona's actions and the kiss really made him the "victim".

I say this, as not a big fan of Sheldon.

And like 917, the 200th episode, this is also a demonstration that why Sheldon is the writers' favorite character.

 

[hokie3457]

Holy crap on a cracker....it is going to seem like a long, long, long time until we have something on Episode 11.01......

[Stephen Hawking]

On 25/04/2017 at 4:11 AM, JE7 said:

Looks like the season 11 dvd cover 

I hope not.

[legacy99]

Sheldon was friendly hanging out with her, not in a romantic sense. And from a perspective of someone who is friendly hanging out with other that doesnt mean they are cheating the SO. About the intentions of someone like Ramona we can not control what is in others minds who interact with us. So Sheldon or any man who is hanging out with a woman he doesnt  see as a romantic partner , it  is not his fault the intentions of the woman being diferents than his. 

What to you thing Amy's thoughts are going to be

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[bfm]

Well, time for more elaboration.

First of all, @kazzie thank you sooo much! You are amazing! Not one but two TRs(/recaps, since you didn't see 23 being taped)! This is so kind of you!

I skimmed through the TRs/recaps (especially 23) because I don't want to spoil everything for myself. I only read Lenny parts thoroughly. 

On 23: I barely read the recap but it sounds nice, though I don't like Lenny being bit players there, especially Penny. I really liked the Leonard-Shledon scene!!! Leonard helping Sheldon and telling him he should be a supportive boyfriend! That's my Leonard there! ♡ IMO, this is a MUCH better use for him then having him fighting with Penny, smuggly refusing her suggestion to work out and slobbing in his underwear playing video games and burping next to her which are all out of the blue and OOC for him. 

The finale sounds like a good, funny episode! I believe I will like it. The whole grouo involved, trying to help the Shamy relationship as a team. I would like to know why Sheldon hadn't proposed until now, though. TPTB sometimes do things without any investigation of the reasons behind them (It's so much worse with Lenny, more on that later on my post). Maybe we will hear more about it in 11×01. Also, why make the proposal into a cliffhanger? Isn't it obvious that she will say yes? They could just finish it with her saying yes...It will be nice to see it in 11×01 but I don't think it will make people wondering...So why pretend it is a cliffhanger when it's not? I might be wrong about her answer but I think there is no reason for her to refuse.

Now: while I don't have a problem with the episode by itself, I do have a problem with it being a finale, given the bit parts Lenny occupy it and the lack of couple scenes or even moments between them; and with the whole treatment of Lenny, since season 8 began and especially in the second half of this season. Lenny are unofficially supporting characters now. The writers barely give them anything and apparently don't waste more than a 30 minutes on coming up with plots/scenes/moments for them. What made it worse in the second half of season 10, to me, was that they had them fighting all the time and now the season ended without resolving it and showing the reasons behind it. It was completely unjustified. Fighting for fighting. I get that marriage doesn't mean "happily ever after" but they didn't give any reason for the escalations of their arguments. Lenny have been a couple for many years and best friend for even more. Why do they suddenly fight all the time? Why can't they communicate like they did before? There may be various reasons. I have suggested some over the last 3.5 months. The writers can easily come up with one (or more) but they chose to just leave it this way. Unresolved, unjustified. I think 10×22 is them trying to pay the minimum mandatory fee to us Lennies and to other viewers who enjoy the couple. It is certainly not enough for me. However, I will watch it and hopefully enjoy it. I won't let the writers ruin it even more for me by making me mad to the point that I miss the little I may enjoy. 

Finally, some comments in the season: I really enjoyed it's first part. There were things I didn't like, even hated (e.g., Leonard bragging about getting the trophy hot chick, what the hell?!), but I generally enjoyed it and even thought they are picking up, continuing the slight recovery from season 8. Then the second half came and I enjoyed it much less. I had episodes that I hated almost entirely, some of the Lenny plots were so bad that they made me unable to enjoy other parts of these episodes (mostly "The Romance Recalibration and "The Collaboration Fluctuation", which are among the top worst TBBT episodes for me). The saving grace for me this year was Howardette, but it didn't make up for the bad stuff, it wasn't even close. Shamy, IMO, had a great season. I am happy for Shammies and I enjoyed some of their moments and was able to understand some of the things that bother people about them (I shared this with Shammies on their thread). I am just not so engaged with them (pun not intended) and I don't like the show being so tremendously unbalanced. Raj...I got nothing. I like Kunal and he cracks me up sometimes with his unique line reading. But this whole arc they had for him lead him nowhere. Maybe he will have some development next year but I wouldn't put money on it (although Raj might be interested in that money). We thought it will lead him somewhere this season and so far we got nothing. Like Penny's career.

[Judith]

10.23 sounds amazing, goodbye scene included.