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1 minute ago, kazzie said:

Nothing mentioned at all.. It was just empty. We don't know why or how long.

I think thats a fair comment. We have only heard of what happened with Leonard and nothing on screen.. He says he stopped it which to me seems he did the right thing in the end. He could of maybe been honest about it sooner however.. But i will agree that wasn't cheating. :)

Thank you, and I will agree with YOU that Sheldon wasn't cheating but just got caught up in a bad situation with sneaky Ramona, just like Leonard got himself in a bad situation on the boat.  Both these guys love their women and would never intentionally cheat on them.

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4 hours ago, wowbagger said:

Eh, could've been worse. ... <snip>

...I know. I should just hand in my 'shipper card.

Generally the bubblegum does lose its flavour, eventually. They have had an excellent run.

The L/P crowd have The Holographic Excitation and The 43 Peculiarity to cherish forever. But that was back in season 6. Has there been anywhere near as much joy since for L/P fanciers? Did anything good happen to L/P this season or even since season 7. My selective memory fails to recall anything other than the bummers. It's been Leonard as Charlie Brown and the writers like Lucy, pulling the ball away.

Oz is still at 10.14. I've read nothing to make me wish to catch up any faster.

 

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4 hours ago, Thyanic said:

this... totally agree...

First of all thank you to all those who kindly provide us spoilers.. really really appreciate it!!! big THANK YOU!!!
Second, although there's a lot of good positive points that almost change my mind... I do think that Sheldon cheated on amy; I'm a shamy shipper (honestly not the same way that I used to be) but most of all I'm a Amy shipper, and it hurts me so much the way she has been treated (obviously by the writers in form of Sheldon and his sometimes unbelievable circumstances). Is Sheldon that stupid to not realize the real intentions from Ramona even when Penny was warning him about it, sorry I don't buy that sh*t!!!...He was spending so much time with Ramona and clearly we was enjoying her company, otherwise he would've used one of his stupid excuses in order to keep her away, (like he did with Vanessa and had used multiple times with amy and no, i don't want sheldon to be "exclusive" for amy, he has the right to hang out with whoever he wants (including women) same right that amy has (including man); what bothers me is the fact that suddenly from nowhere sheldon is allow to spend time with a woman that is not even one of his closest friends, put them aside just to please her, have a date, yes it was a date, because as far as we know they were alone swimming in a public pool (or was it a "private one"?) where is his germophobe?? (oh yes!! that excuse was only for amy),  and if that was not enough he let her kiss him, he was not capable to push her back from minute he felt her lips on his (we don't how much the kiss last) or when he saw her leaning toward him, he was not capable to say her simple "NO, that's not correct", why was she the one who stopped the kiss?? he only said excuse me and ran away, what did sheldon really feel?? Guilt because he knows he was cheating on amy?? or because he enjoyed the kiss "more than he thought he would"?? who knows!!! (it's a lorre comedy)... I just really hope that he is completly honest with amy, she deserves a proper explanation of what happened from sheldon's mouth, not from raj, bernie or penny much less Ramona... and I hope Amy asks sheldon the real reasons why he is proposing at that moment because not so much time ago she was crying because his lack of interest in marriage and because she didn't see any indication he was going to do it.

And for the ep 23.. wow!! amy only gets some action from Sheldon in form of an anual present (on her birthday, because you know it's only once a year), when sheldon feels the need to procreate a superior human being (because you know it's for science) or as farewell gift (because you know she's about to leave and he needs to be sure that she's happy and there won''t be the risk to lose her with another scientist), .. wow!! how humiliating is that!! I think she deserves to be loved and desired by her partner at any time not only in "risk to lose" or "special aka sheldon's terms" ocasions, there is not need to "sacrifice" sheldon because it seems that it is exactly what he does... is enough to see the way he kisses her... (i bet the kiss with ramona is more believable than the all shamy kisses together)...

I'm so sorry Lenny fans, i feel your pain.. you deserve so much better than this pile of cr*p.. i do really hope that if the shamy engagement is on, now the writers can focus on lenny making a good plot for them (yes I know it's difficult to believe but it's not impossible let's hope!!) hugs from another dissapointed former shipper!!!

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I don't think what Sheldon does qualifies as cheating, at least the from where writers stand, they want to make sure Sheldon is not the one to blame in the situation. 

The Ramona storyline doesn't bother me that much except maybe once again, a poor female character is portrayed as a a bxxch for the sake of making Sheldon look good... Like seriously, the girl has been in Caltech this whole time, but she never thought about pursuing Sheldon. The minute Amy gets out of town, she throws herself at Sheldon? Back in season 2, to me she's more into Sheldon's work than Sheldon. Now she's very accomplished maybe more accomplished than Sheldon but somehow she's interested in Sheldon? 

What really disappoints me is the rushed, out-of-no-where proposal. For those fans who are excited about the proposal, good for you. However I can't help but ask you this, is this really the kind of proposal you've been waiting all this time? Is this really the kind of Shamy milestone event, that can compete with the train kiss, the prom I love you and the opening night coitus? I say no way, not even close. 

I've read countless of fanfics which include proposal scenes, while I never expect the one on the show is like any of them, I expect the writers could at least surprise us. The writers may occasionally screw up little things about Shamy, I never thought they would be so reckless about something as big as a proposal. It's almost as bad as Lenny's wedding. 

And the worst part is, Amy has to say yes. Because like a lot of Shamy fans have pointed it out, there's no reason for her to say no. After all, she has been so desperate for all these years lol. 

But still, I sincerely hope Amy says no. Or at least give us an explanation writers, how exactly does Sheldon go from "getting kissed by a girl unexpectedly" to " let me propose to my girlfriend without any explanation."

Anyhow, this has got to be the second least romantic proposal I've seen on TV.

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8 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

I don't think what Sheldon does qualifies as cheating, at least the from where writers stand, they want to make sure Sheldon is not the one to blame in the situation. 

The Ramona storyline doesn't bother me that much except maybe once again, a poor female character is portrayed as a a bxxch for the sake of making Sheldon look good... Like seriously, the girl has been in Caltech this whole time, but she never thought about pursuing Sheldon. The minute Amy gets out of town, she throws herself at Sheldon? Back in season 2, to me she's more into Sheldon's work than Sheldon. Now she's very accomplished maybe more accomplished than Sheldon but somehow she's interested in Sheldon? 

What really disappoints me is the rushed, out-of-no-where proposal. For those fans who are excited about the proposal, good for you. However I can't help but ask you this, is this really the kind of proposal you've been waiting all this time? Is this really the kind of Shamy milestone event, that can compete with the train kiss, the prom I love you and the opening night coitus? I say no way, not even close. 

I've read countless of fanfics which include proposal scenes, while I never expect the one on the show is like any of them, I expect the writers could at least surprise us. The writers may occasionally screw up little things about Shamy, I never thought they would be so reckless about something as big as a proposal. It's almost as bad as Lenny's wedding. 

And the worst part is, Amy has to say yes. Because like a lot of Shamy fans have pointed it out, there's no reason for her to say no. After all, she has been so desperate for all these years lol. 

But still, I sincerely hope Amy says no. Or at least give us an explanation writers, how exactly does Sheldon go from "getting kissed by a girl unexpectedly" to " let me propose to my girlfriend without any explanation."

Anyhow, this has got to be the second least romantic proposal I've seen on TV.

I agree, I'm a Shamy and I don't want her to say yes.  She is fully aware that Ramona drama has been happening back in Pasadena.  I want her to pull him into her apartment, find out what drove him to her doorstep and then send him home.  I honestly think that at this point Amy is going to want a proposal that comes from the heart, not one that comes out of what?...panic, I might feel differently after seeing the finale all prettied up and edited.  But right now, I want her to say no.

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29 minutes ago, SRAM said:

Thank you, and I will agree with YOU that Sheldon wasn't cheating but just got caught up in a bad situation with sneaky Ramona, just like Leonard got himself in a bad situation on the boat.  Both these guys love their women and would never intentionally cheat on them.

100% agree :)

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25 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

What really disappoints me is the rushed, out-of-no-where proposal. For those fans who are excited about the proposal, good for you. However I can't help but ask you this, is this really the kind of proposal you've been waiting all this time? Is this really the kind of Shamy milestone event, that can compete with the train kiss, the prom I love you and the opening night coitus? I say no way, not even close. 

He has had this ring for over 2 years and has tried to propose at least one time already. Without luggage, he still had the ring in his possession. That probably means it was on his mind and he always has it on him. With Sheldon and Amy already sleeping together (spontaneously now!), living together, and even talking this season about having kids, I just don't understand how this is "out-of-nowhere". Was it planned? No. But either was the train kiss or the first 'I love you'. In fact, Shamy losing their virginity was a spur-of-the-moment plan in and of itself. 

For somebody who schedules every part of every day to break all of his rituals and routines to fly across the country and propose? With nothing but the clothes on his back and a ring in his pocket? No fear and no hesitation despite a long flight to possibly reconsider? That is romantic. That is a milestone event. That is a very big deal. 

25 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

I've read countless of fanfics which include proposal scenes, while I never expect the one on the show is like any of them, I expect the writers could at least surprise us. 

A grand proposal with every square inch planned out and considered is very clinical and unromantic for someone like Sheldon. If your guy is very aloof and doesn't have a great attention span, it would be very sweet to think he went through the process of planning a proposal. For Sheldon to ditch his usual "control-freak" ways and follow his heart is the ultimate, at least IMO. 

And yes, I expected a cliffhanger, but I was honestly surprised. To dedicate a finale to Sheldon realizing once and for all that Amy is the one he wants to spend his life with? I couldn't ask for anything better.

25 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

Anyhow, this has got to be the second least romantic proposal I've seen on TV.

That's part of the problem, isn't it? You haven't seen it yet. I'd at last wait until it airs to make such a big claim.

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I am sorry I am the biggest Leonard fan, he is one of my fav sitcom characters of all time, based on how complex his character is. But Leonard 100% Cheated. But I am pretty black and white person. I also thought Ross cheated :D. If I was in a relationship, and I was thinking about another woman. I would consider that a form of cheating. Yeah I know some may think that is absurd. But to me your mentally replacing your SO with another woman, and personally. That is how cheating can begin. Leonard making out with Mandy, lieing about it for two years, and then dropping it day of their wedding. Was bad. But I was more bothered by the fact he continued to work with her for two years. I mean that was pretty low by the writers. I guess if their is any similarity between Leonard/Mandy and Sheldon/Ramona. IT both coincided with marrying the love of their lifes.

OF course Sheldon went on a date with Ramona, of course he diddn't know it was a dare lol. And Ramona kissed him. Leonard was basically the tptb creatining an imaginary tangent on the timeline. Where as with Sheldon/Ramona. Ramona had already existed in cannon. So yeah techinally Sheldon cheated, so did Leonard. Does that make them immoral? Possibly. But I don't think it makes them bad people. They are both human. But I Still maintain they are not victims, and need to be held accountable. I bet if Amy or Penny cheated in any form, well boy I can imagine a very different reaction around here. Intentinally or not. I guess the difference is well Sheldon tell Amy about the Ramona kiss. Like Leonard lied about it for two years? I don't know.

And as a non Shamy shipper. I don't like how rushed this proposal is. Oh Ramona kissed me, Amy well you marry me! LOL. I mean sorry not romantic t all imo. And I don't care for a finalie revolved around Sheldon at all. I am sorry I am over Shamy taking over this show. I hope in Season 11, they start balancing out their stories and screen time. And we get some friendship dynamics, and group dynamics back. But I fear Season 11 well be used to focus on Shamy's engagement. Which of course would show an extreme anti bias. Considering how much the show ignored Lenny as a engaged couple most of Season 8. But no it won't change, I just hope the series final. They don't revolve it around Sheldon. Give all the characters their moments. And homage the pilot. But I fear the series final their well only be one storyline, Sheldon. 

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15 minutes ago, vonmar said:

I agree, I'm a Shamy and I don't want her to say yes.  She is fully aware that Ramona drama has been happening back in Pasadena.  I want her to pull him into her apartment, find out what drove him to her doorstep and then send him home.  I honestly think that at this point Amy is going to want a proposal that comes from the heart, not one that comes out of what?...panic, I might feel differently after seeing the finale all prettied up and edited.  But right now, I want her to say no.

I agree. A no is a no brainer to me. Though I thought Lenny getting married when they did shouldn't of happened either.

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2 minutes ago, vonmar said:

I agree, I'm a Shamy and I don't want her to say yes.  She is fully aware that Ramona drama has been happening back in Pasadena.  I want her to pull him into her apartment, find out what drove him to her doorstep and then send him home.  I honestly think that at this point Amy is going to want a proposal that comes from the heart, not one that comes out of what?...panic, I might feel differently after seeing the finale all prettied up and edited.  But right now, I want her to say no.

I don't think Sheldon is panicking.   I think he has come to a realization, and I think the proposal does come from Sheldon's heart.   I think missing Amy in addition to being kissed by another woman has evolved into Amy being his girlfriend not being enough for him anymore.  

I hope Amy says yes, because if she says no, it will be like the break up all over again.   At least for me.   I don't want to see Sheldon suffer anymore worrying about losing her and have to put the ring back in the safe.   Enough is enough.

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4 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

 I bet if Amy or Penny cheated in any form, well boy I can imagine a very different reaction around

Very true. Another point which I accidentally deleted is Sheldon would have a hard not telling Amy. Everyone knows Ramona. Leonard was away and no one knew of Mandy but Howard and Bernadette. It doesn't excuse Leonard but it made easier IMO not to tell Penny.

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38 minutes ago, jenafan said:

I don't think Sheldon is panicking.   I think he has come to a realization, and I think the proposal does come from Sheldon's heart.   I think missing Amy in addition to being kissed by another woman has evolved into Amy being his girlfriend not being enough for him anymore.  

I hope Amy says yes, because if she says no, it will be like the break up all over again.   At least for me.   I don't want to see Sheldon suffer anymore worrying about losing her and have to put the ring back in the safe.   Enough is enough.

Which is why I said that I need to see the broadcast episode.  I need to get a feeling for why Sheldon flees California and flies cross country to Amy, I need to see Jim act it out.

Depending on how they handle it, if she were to say no and send him home, it doesn't need to be like the break up, there doesn't need to be suffering. It could be a tender moment where she empathizes with what he is feeling and simply asks him to do it again when she returns.

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We spent a whole season hoping that Sheldon will propose to Amy and we get HALF a proposal. Weird answer to our wish.

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12 minutes ago, jenafan said:

I don't think Sheldon is panicking.   I think he has come to a realization, and I think the proposal does come from Sheldon's heart.   I think missing Amy in addition to being kissed by another woman has evolved into Amy being his girlfriend not being enough for him anymore.  

I hope Amy says yes, because if she says no, it will be like the break up all over again.   At least for me.   I don't want to see Sheldon suffer anymore worrying about losing her and have to put the ring back in the safe.   Enough is enough.

Disagree. This has panic written all over it. Sheldon is organized and well planned. He plans his bathroom time. Impromptu proposals would seem to go against this. I think they will get engaged but not in this way. Any suffering was self inflicted. Saying no doesn't mean their breaking up. It wouldn't be the first or it wouldn't be the first time a no wouldn't cause a break up.

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20 minutes ago, vonmar said:

Which is why I said that I need to see the broadcast episode.  I need to get a feeling for why Sheldon flees California and flies cross country to Amy, I need to see Jim act it out.

Depending on how they handle it, if she were to say no and send him home, it doesn't need to be like the break up, there doesn't need to be suffering. It could be a tender moment where she emphasizes with what he is feeling and simply asks him to do it again when she returns.

Ok.  When you put it that way, it doesn't seem so bad.

16 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

Disagree. This has panic written all over it. Sheldon is organized and well planned. He plans his bathroom time. Impromptu proposals would seem to go against this. I think they will get engaged but not in this way. Any suffering was self inflicted. Saying no doesn't mean their breaking up. It wouldn't be the first or it wouldn't be the first time a no wouldn't cause a break up.

Sheldon has been impromptu before.    He didn't plan to run to her apartment to tell her he loved her and ask if they can get back together, after he had told her they should just remain friends.   No, it came to him as an epiphany as a result of a song stuck in his brain.    He didn't plan to make a baby with Amy, but an impromptu decision occurred as a result of some lab tests and he wanted to do it right there in the lab with no preparation.

Sheldon is a planner, yes, but where Amy is concerned, he has become a lot less of a planner and more of a man on the fly.  He's become more comfortable with taking chances.

Amy knows Sheldon and that there was no ill intent on his part regarding Ramona.    I have a hard time believing that knowing she lost the opportunity before the break up, knowing that he has been holding onto that ring for over a year, and also knowing how anxious she is to get married (after all they aren't getting any younger) that she would turn him down now over such a trivial matter.   

As  @vonmar states, it could all play out differently on screen.  I just don't want to see Sheldon groveling for Amy's hand.       

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8 minutes ago, jenafan said:

Ok.  When you put it that way, it doesn't seem so bad.

As it currently stands, 11x1 should be a "last time on TBBT" episode, picking up from Sheldon's proposal.  If they resolve that with an Amy "no" and a her gently sending him home, they could then time-jump into 11x2 with everyone anticipating Amy's return at the end of her fellowship and catch us up on what happened in all of their lives over the summer, with maybe a hint into what Sheldon has planned as a  proper proposal. 

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1 minute ago, vonmar said:

As it currently stands, 11x1 should be a "last time on TBBT" episode, picking up from Sheldon's proposal.  If they resolve that with an Amy "no" and a her gently sending him home, they could then time-jump into 11x2 with everyone anticipating Amy's return at the end of her fellowship and catch us up on what happened in all of their lives over the summer, with maybe a hint into what Sheldon has planned as a  proper proposal. 

Good point.   To me, though, having Amy open the door to an unexpected visit from Sheldon down on one knee is romantic and very Sheldon-like.   Reminiscent of the events in Earworm.

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1 minute ago, jenafan said:

Good point.   To me, though, having Amy open the door to an unexpected visit from Sheldon down on one knee is romantic and very Sheldon-like.   Reminiscent of the events in Earworm.

Totally agree....

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1 hour ago, SRAM said:

I'm happy to agree with you if you join me in saying Leonard didn't cheat on Penny.  Leonard lead off his confession by reminding Penny that he told her about the parties and DRINKING, then he told Penny he found himself kissing Mandy and when he realized what was happening he STOPPED it.  Mandy was so drunk she didn't even remember it when he talked to her in the cafeteria, neither of them were willing participants, it was all too much booze and bad judgement, not cheating.  Also, Leonard didn't tell Penny because he thought she would leave him, that makes perfect sense to me, Leonard has always been terrified of loosing Penny and she does have a temper and overreacts.

Have to disagree with the bolded part. From what I remember of Mandy's reaction, I got the impression she was "doing the rounds" and didn't remember because there was more than one guy involved.

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9 minutes ago, vonmar said:

As it currently stands, 11x1 should be a "last time on TBBT" episode, picking up from Sheldon's proposal.  If they resolve that with an Amy "no" and a her gently sending him home, they could then time-jump into 11x2 with everyone anticipating Amy's return at the end of her fellowship and catch us up on what happened in all of their lives over the summer, with maybe a hint into what Sheldon has planned as a  proper proposal. 

Proper proposal. I don't understand what that is. 

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22 minutes ago, bbtfan07 said:

We spent a whole season hoping that Sheldon will propose to Amy and we get HALF a proposal. Weird answer to our wish.

I think Shamy has their own ups and downs in Season 10, based on all the "living together" plots, I'm not really that keen on proposal, let alone this "unnecessarily involved third party" proposal.

On a side note, I noticed there will be some events about the "Star Wars" in my country next week, God, how I wish we would get a "Star Wars" themed episode as 1023, and the 1023 involving Amy leaving to Prinston as 1024, the season finale.

Sigh, wishful thinking, I know.

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32 minutes ago, bbtfan07 said:

We spent a whole season hoping that Sheldon will propose to Amy and we get HALF a proposal. Weird answer to our wish.

I diddn't LOL.

3 minutes ago, MTBigBangTheoryFan said:

Series Finale PRedietion: Sheldon gets murdered in Cold Blood by Leonard and Penny. A Dream Finale for some Lenny Fans lol  

That's uneccessary. Most Lenny fans have said they are happy for Shamy fans. Just frustrated at the lack of balance in the show. I don't think it is fair to suggest Lenny fans would want Sheldon to be killed off. 

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I would like to address the topic of Shelnard.  Was I the only one ecstatic over reading about Leonard shutting Raj out to have a one-on-one with his buddy over his fears?  Even offering for Sheldon to come back to 4A in Amy's absence?   I've missed these moments between Sheldon and Leonard.

It moves me to see that Sheldon is taking advice from Leonard and going above and beyond in acting on it.   Not only did he offer to love Amy up, but he explained his reasons for wanting to do so.   Not to get her to stay, but because he can't give himself to her over Skype.    For a man who always claimed he relied on the technology to avoid human contact, it is wonderful to know that he sees it now as an obstacle to the closeness he desires with Amy.

Thanks @kazzie for the details.   I can't wait to see the episode just to hear the words Shamy say to each other and to see their expressions.

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29 minutes ago, jenafan said:

 

Amy knows Sheldon and that there was no ill intent on his part regarding Ramona.    I have a hard time believing that knowing she lost the opportunity before the break up, knowing that he has been holding onto that ring for over a year, and also knowing how anxious she is to get married (after all they aren't getting any younger) that she would turn him down now over such a trivial matter.   

As  @vonmar states, it could all play out differently on screen.  I just don't want to see Sheldon groveling for Amy's hand.       

To me though there was no ill intent but that doesn't get Sheldon off the hook. He should been able to figure Ramona's intent. Going swimming with her shouldn't of happened. Everybody keeps going with that friend excuse but there not friends. Did everyone forget Ramona in season 2. The answer to losing that opportunity to get engaged in season 8 is will Sheldon move on to another woman? I don't think so.

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28 minutes ago, shamyyellow said:

Proper proposal. I don't understand what that is. 

It's really just an expression.  Proposals vary depending on the participants from very extravagant to quite simple.

For me, I used it here to mean that I think that Amy would want Sheldon to go back to Pasadena and propose to her under calmer circumstances after having put some thought into it.

But who knows, she may simply say yes to Sheldon's 10x24 proposal on the spot, embracing the impulsiveness of the moment, just as @jenafan harked back to in the Earworm episode.

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