[Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10

[serena_1995]

34 minutes ago, luminous said:

BTS pics from Melissa

 

 

 

WOW . What a cute picture.

[Tensor]

45 minutes ago, Enrico Fermi said:

The more stuff I read from her the more clueless she seems about what kind of show she's covering.  She's asking questions like TBBT is a CW drama and Molaro is giving answers that contradict the notion that relationship drama is all the show is about.   Molaro clearly still wants to allow himself the slightest bit of room to find funny stories to tell rather than immediately lock everybody down in cute relationships forever.

She's actually asking the questions of Molaro, that she is asked, by the majority of fans, on her social media feed.  So, I'm not sure how you can say she's clueless.   

[vonmar]

1 hour ago, luminous said:

BTS pics from Melissa

 

From the comments.....

• therealjimparsons Hahahaha yes!!! You were a beautiful, hot mess! Hahahhaa

[luminous]

 

[shamyyellow]

3 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

It wishes it was a CW drama more like a Nickleodeon show. When your lead couple acts like teenagers. Molaro is just in over his head. The show is a relationship show. The killing off of the guys project proves that.

I hate this argument so much.

From the very first episode, a huge element of the show was Howard being girl-crazy, Raj not being able to talk to women but desperately wanting to be with one, and Leonard declaring that he would be with Penny one day. All of which happened while the guys went to work and did nerdy things in their free time.

It wasn't until Sheldon became romantically involved with Amy that I saw the complaint of TBBT becoming a "relationship show". Are we giving him all the credit for why it wasn't before? He was the only one who didn't jump into bed with random women, go on dates, or dream of being in a long-term relationship with the girl across the hall. Why isn't it ok when Sheldon does it? 

This season alone was full of science and nerdy moments. E2 was about the guy's project and Bernie/Penny's job. E3 was about the guy's project. E6 was Penny and Leonard going to a nerdy convention. E8 was Amy/Sheldon doing a scientific experiment. E9 was all about Sheldon being jealous of Bert's scientific accomplishments and Howard's motorized Stephen Hawking toy. E10 was all about Sheldon and Leonard fighting over their nerdy stuff. E14 was all about an emotion detector prototype. E15 was all about the guy's project and trains. E17 was about comic con. E19 had Sheldon and Amy working on a quantum cognition experiment. E20 was about Sheldon losing info about the guy's project and Bernie going back to work. E22 showed them playing video games, juggling, walking on stilts, unicycling, playing with ventriloquist dummies... everything nerdy you can think of. E23 showed the guys lose their project and Amy getting a fellowship to Princeton. 

Yes, there is relationship stuff weaving in and out of every episode because Leonard and Penny are married, Howard and Bernadette are married, Sheldon lives with Amy, and Raj is always on the hunt for a girlfriend... just like S1-9.

I know that they don't spend as much time together as a group because of their relationships, but I don't see how it's not comparable to S1. E1 set up the whole Leonard and Penny thing. E3 was Leonard and Penny going on a "date". E5 was Leonard hooking up with Leslie Winkle. E6 was Leonard and Penny's first kiss. E6 was all about Howard hooking up with Penny's friend. E8 was all about Raj being set up with a girl that Sheldon "steals" from him. E9-14 were had sprinklings of relationship dealings between Leonard and Penny. E15 was all about the guys hitting on Sheldon's sister. E16 was Penny throwing a party for Leonard and Howard hoping to hook up with her easy friends. E17 was all about Penny's breakup and agreeing to go out with Leonard.

This show has always been about relationships. Always. And it still deals with work, science, and nerdy hobbies they all enjoy. A lot. I understand the argument that Shamy gets a lot of attention and Lenny has been poorly developed/written, but calling it a "relationship show" like that's anything new is just confusing.

[spidergirl]

9 minutes ago, vonmar said:

From the comments.....

• therealjimparsons Hahahaha yes!!! You were a beautiful, hot mess! Hahahhaa

I hope S10 DVD could have lots of bts and gag reels , lol! If the contents shared in  IG posts since the beginning of this season by Jim, Mayim , Kevin, Melissa, Kaley and Alex could be used in the DVD extras, it would be a blast for the fans as they could keep these priceless moments plus the episodes forever. Crossing fingers for that!

Edited May 11, 2017 by spidergirl

[Strawberry PopTart Fan]

2 hours ago, Chrismo said:

Many others aren't 

It's a choice we have.

[bfm]

4 hours ago, Tensor said:

 This article, by Jessica Radloff, brings more dread, than hopefulness for next season.  Although she did a good job on pressing Molaro on Lenny.  

Wow. Just Wow (@veejay, gif? ). I can't believe how shallow is his perception of Lenny. He sounds like a viewer with no interest in Lenny whatsoever. So they fight because the "honeymoon phase" is over? When was their f*ing honeymoon phase?! They never had one! Also, this is so not believable for a couple who know each other for so long. You could say that a couple who were together for 2 years before marriage might find out life together has it's challenges after the "honeymoon phase" is over, not a couple who have been together for about 4.5 years before marriage, living across the  hall from each other the whole time and for 5 additional years as (most of the time best) friends. So this fighting for him happens just because?! This is ridiculous. And what is this BS about their postivies being Leonard becoming more confident and Penny not judging a book by it's cover? Seriously? Is this season 2? (well, the "he wore her down" or "they will divorce" would have fit if it were season 2) Is that all there is for Molaro? Damn it, they showed more growth under his own shift! What about Penny learning to deal with not accomplishing her acting dream? with having a job she doesn't like to pay her debts? Overcoming her commitment issues? No, apparently for Molaro not judging by looks is as far as she gets. This is pathetic. According to this perception they should have been written off after season 3. And what is this BS about being "different people"?! No wonder Radloff had to ask him what makes them a good couple for him. He terribly diminishes what makes them work, for him it's just that "sometimes they click". I already wrote many posts about how they are different in some aspects but very similar in others, so I won't go there again. I know some would say that the showrunners perception has more validity than mine but he appears to disregard many important aspects about them, he just sees it as "times they click". What does that mean? that you just randomly write lines and sometimes it makes the couple work? WTH?! "Leonard and Penny are different people" is such a shallow, casual viewer perception of Lenny.

So the bottom line appears to be season 11 will be just more random unjustified and unresolved fights for Lenny, perhaps leading to a break-up, while Shamy keep moving forward becoming the best couple on earth. I think we will really need the dark Lenny thread for season 11. This is just SO SO SO frustrating. Feels like leaving a kid with an irresponsible carer that couldn't care less about her/his wellbeing and doesn't even try to learn who s/he is. 

[Tensor]

3 hours ago, Chrismo said:

Jessica's twitter picture shows what's wrong with the show. Is this TBBT or I Carly?

Which twitter picture?  Her avatar?  That was a gift from one of her fans.  I thought it kinda sweet that she uses something a fan drew for her.  

[serena_1995]

13 minutes ago, bfm said:

And what is this BS about their postivies being Leonard becoming more confident and Penny not judging a book by it's cover? Seriously? Is this season 2? (well, the "he wore her down" or "they will divorce" would have fit if it were season 2) Is that all there is for Molaro? Damn it, they showed more growth under his own shift!

I know some would say that the showrunners perception has more validity than mine but he appears to disregard many important aspects about them, he just sees it as "times they click". What does that mean? that you just randomly write lines and sometimes it makes the couple work? WTH?! "Leonard and Penny are different people" is such a shallow, casual viewer perception of Lenny.

 

 

"shallow perception" it is . I feel his perspective on Lenny is pretty immature and dull, atleast in this interview. He is still talking about how Sheldon and Raj think Penny is out of Leonard's league and how Leonard is more confident because of Penny like she is some kind of an ego boost trophy. That can't be the entire point of Lenny? 

[veejay]

34 minutes ago, bfm said:

Wow. Just Wow (@veejay, gif? ). I can't believe....................

Sorry, sometimes I'm just irritated by various reactions.

Obviously, I'm not alone.

[Capt. Hilts]

19 minutes ago, serena_1995 said:

 

"shallow perception" it is . I feel his perspective on Lenny is pretty immature and dull, atleast in this interview. He is still talking about how Sheldon and Raj think Penny is out of Leonard's league and how Leonard is more confident because of Penny like she is some kind of an ego boost trophy. That can't be the entire point of Lenny? 

And it ignores one of the show's writers' real accomplishments:  depicting Penny and Sheldon's mother as being ignorant, but most certainly NOT stupid.  Ignorance can be cured - stupidity cannot.  And each of these characters 'outsmarts' the 'smart' characters with good regularity.  

I have no patience with the idea that Penny is only a pretty face.  Was she trying to capitalize on that pretty face?  You bet!  Does that mean that's all she's got to contribute?  Most certainly not.  

[Jonny]

Yeah I would be concerned if I was a Lenny, only thing I would add is they aren't at the planning stage and a lot can happen between now and then. Group thinking in the writer's room can change minds. 

I did say earlier in the season (you can check my posts) that we could do with someone getting Molaro in the room and asking him about Lenny to perhaps explain what the plan or vision was for them this season. The Penny issue and some of her behaviour I found just as perplexing as anyone.

Got to say Molaro's answers are pretty disappointing and vague on that matter. Is it fair to say if he's being honest that he doesn't see an issue with them or perhaps doesn't see there needs to be anything changed?

I thought Jessica actually did a really good job with the questions. I have read some of her articles this season where she has been wondering what is going on with Lenny, are they perhaps heading towards a split at some point was something she was pondering. And I do know fans have been in contact with her on twitter after these articles have been written wondering what is going on. So fair play to her she asked the questions, didn't get much out of him but she asked.

Will have to see what they have in store for Season 11 but Lenny and Raj do concern me just like they have most of this season.

Edited May 11, 2017 by Jonny

[Swedish Chef]

Not the slightest surprised by the interview with Molaro to be honest, it just shows to me that TPTB doesn't care at all about Lenny. At the moment it really looks like season 11 will be just like season 10 for Lenny. Really disappointing I must say, to say the least. 

[5Mississippis]

53 minutes ago, bfm said:

Wow. Just Wow (@veejay, gif? ). I can't believe how shallow is his perception of Lenny. He sounds like a viewer with no interest in Lenny whatsoever.

[ -- SNIP -- ]

I know some would say that the showrunners perception has more validity than mine but he appears to disregard many important aspects about them, he just sees it as "times they click". What does that mean? that you just randomly write lines and sometimes it makes the couple work? WTH?! "Leonard and Penny are different people" is such a shallow, casual viewer perception of Lenny.

So the bottom line appears to be season 11 will be just more random unjustified and unresolved fights for Lenny, perhaps leading to a break-up, while Shamy keep moving forward becoming the best couple on earth. I think we will really need the dark Lenny thread for season 11. This is just SO SO SO frustrating. Feels like leaving a kid with an irresponsible carer that couldn't care less about her/his wellbeing and doesn't even try to learn who s/he is. 

2 minutes ago, Lagernisse said:

Not the slightest surprised by the interview with Molaro to be honest, it just shows to me that TPTB doesn't care at all about Lenny. At the moment it really looks like season 11 will be just like season 10 for Lenny. Really disappointing I must say, to say the least. 

Yep. The Lenny hope and joy just keeps coming and coming.

 

Edited May 11, 2017 by 5Mississippis

[bfm]

28 minutes ago, veejay said:

Sorry, sometimes I'm just irritated by various reactions.

Obviously, I'm not alone.

Well, this one goes with my dark Lenny thread comment 

[Bigbang.daily]

I don't see them breaking lenny up.The bases of the show is set on a girl moves in next door and the guy opposite likes her and after the breaks up and numerous marriages I don't see them breaking them up just to bring them back together a few seasons later.they would be pushing the boat and just annoying and the story  barrel must be empty to go to that level and surely one would have to move out if two people broke up and lived in the same building that would not be right and also no room shamy got penny's apartment now 

[Gbb]

5 hours ago, Jonny said:

Sounds like Raj is going to continue to be unlucky in love but might get something to do with his work. Meh.

I noticed he didn't use a gender when he mentioned a potential romantic interest for Raj, saying "person" instead. Part of me doesn't like the idea of Raj "discovering" he's gay for a lot of reasons: he's been shown to be happily sexually active with many different women over the years, his prior selective mutism seemed to be directly related to a woman being sexually attractive, he's been shown to be extremely comfortable with enjoying activities that are traditionally viewed as less masculine/more feminine and so it seems unlikely he'd be hiding homosexual desire out of fear of what others would think. All that said, if it would allow him to find a romantic relationship that will last beyond a few dates I'm all for Raj realizing he may be bisexual or gay.

[Chrismo]

13 minutes ago, Bigbang.daily said:

I don't see them breaking lenny up.The bases of the show is set on a girl moves in next door and the guy opposite likes her and after the breaks up and numerous marriages I don't see them breaking them up just to bring them back together a few seasons later.they would be pushing the boat and just annoying and the story  barrel must be empty to go to that level and surely one would have to move out if two people broke up and lived in the same building that would not be right and also no room shamy got penny's apartment now 

You mean it's not annoying now.

[April]

10 minutes ago, Gbb said:

I noticed he didn't use a gender when he mentioned a potential romantic interest for Raj, saying "person" instead. Part of me doesn't like the idea of Raj "discovering" he's gay for a lot of reasons: he's been shown to be happily sexually active with many different women over the years, his prior selective mutism seemed to be directly related to a woman being sexually attractive, he's been shown to be extremely comfortable with enjoying activities that are traditionally viewed as less masculine/more feminine and so it seems unlikely he'd be hiding homosexual desire out of fear of what others would think. All that said, if it would allow him to find a romantic relationship that will last beyond a few dates I'm all for Raj realizing he may be bisexual or gay.

Bisexuality exists. Sexuality is a spectrum and there are even bi people with a preference for one gender - think a 1 or 2 on the Kinsey scale. I think that could be a good solution here.

Edited May 11, 2017 by April

[shamyyellow]

1 hour ago, April said:

Bisexuality exists. Sexuality is a spectrum and there are even bi people with a preference for one gender - think a 1 or 2 on the Kinsey scale. I think that could be a good solution here.

Or he could just be a straight, metrosexual man with a lot of issues to work out before he finds a woman that won't be turned off by him. 

I understand the speculation that Raj might be bisexual/might fair better with men, but in real life, you either are or you aren't. You can't just decide to be bisexual or gay because it didn't work out with women. I think it's insanely unrealistic that a guy like Raj would suddenly get along better (physically and emotionally) with a man when he's always wanted a healthy, loving relationship with a woman. Especially when his lust for women has often come first.

Since the problem has never been that his sex life is horrible or that he just wasn't emotionally interested in the women he dated, it makes more sense for the writers to do what they've been doing all season: having him make a list of things about himself that need fixing so he can become a better person for whoever is out there for him. I personally want Raj to work on himself before finding the woman he's been dreaming of because since the very first season, that's what he's been looking for. I've asked myself if any of the problems Raj has had with keeping a women would've kept a man either... and the answer is no. They would've left him too.

That said, if the writers do go for a storyline where Raj dates men, I hope (like other's have already stated) that they give us genuine answers and a story that makes sense of such a serious topic. Some straight men and women lie about being bisexual/gay. Gay men and women sometimes lie about being bisexual. Bisexual men and women sometimes lie about being straight/gay. It happens when you feel like who you are isn't what other people want you to be. If the writer's decide to go that way with Raj, it really would be best to be very careful in crafting that story instead of just throwing it out there for shits and giggles. 

Edited May 11, 2017 by shamyyellow

[serena_1995]

5 hours ago, Chrismo said:

 The killing off of the guys project proves that.

I thought it was unfair and unceremonious how they got rid off the guys' project. They worked hard on the project. career setbacks are just as important as relationships.  I would have liked if there was some follow up on Penny's job hunt or a follow up on the guidance system project, in the finale, maybe a small B plot to give Leonard or Penny or Howard something to do. I don't think they needed all characters to deal with Shamy.   I don't know, dedicating an entire episode to just one plot - seems a bit odd. But I love group scenes too so...

Edited May 11, 2017 by serena_1995

[Nogravitasatall]

10 hours ago, Capt. Hilts said:

When he's written as having no sexual scruples whatsoever.

I think he has always had scruples. It's just that they always take a while to catch up with his circumstances. Except for when he courted Penny I think his "adventures" have all been been reactive. I don't think he hunts for sexual events - Raj and Howard were the cruisers - but he has been slow to react when someone hits on him.

Someone will no doubt refute me, but I believe that mostly he gets surprised and overly grateful when someone makes an advance. It's nice to be asked and impolite to refuse. But if he had no scruples he'd have no regrets and the stupid pre-wedding cliffhanger demonstrated that he has regrets.

On the spectrum of human sexual behaviour he certainly isn't at the hyperactive end.

[5Mississippis]

1 hour ago, Bigbang.daily said:

I don't see them breaking lenny up.The bases of the show is set on a girl moves in next door and the guy opposite likes her and after the breaks up and numerous marriages I don't see them breaking them up just to bring them back together a few seasons later.they would be pushing the boat and just annoying and the story  barrel must be empty to go to that level and surely one would have to move out if two people broke up and lived in the same building that would not be right and also no room shamy got penny's apartment now 

No, I don't see them breaking Lenny up either because that would mean that they'd have to actually write a story for them. 

[luminous]

It's a slide show with three more pictures:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BT-EUvOlfxx/

 

Edited May 11, 2017 by luminous