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45 minutes ago, Enrico Fermi said:

The more stuff I read from her the more clueless she seems about what kind of show she's covering.  She's asking questions like TBBT is a CW drama and Molaro is giving answers that contradict the notion that relationship drama is all the show is about.   Molaro clearly still wants to allow himself the slightest bit of room to find funny stories to tell rather than immediately lock everybody down in cute relationships forever.

She's actually asking the questions of Molaro, that she is asked, by the majority of fans, on her social media feed.  So, I'm not sure how you can say she's clueless.   

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9 minutes ago, vonmar said:

From the comments.....

I hope S10 DVD could have lots of bts and gag reels , lol! If the contents shared in  IG posts since the beginning of this season by Jim, Mayim , Kevin, Melissa, Kaley and Alex could be used in the DVD extras, it would be a blast for the fans as they could keep these priceless moments plus the episodes forever. Crossing fingers for that!

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3 hours ago, Chrismo said:

Jessica's twitter picture shows what's wrong with the show. Is this TBBT or I Carly?

Which twitter picture?  Her avatar?  That was a gift from one of her fans.  I thought it kinda sweet that she uses something a fan drew for her.  

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13 minutes ago, bfm said:

And what is this BS about their postivies being Leonard becoming more confident and Penny not judging a book by it's cover? Seriously? Is this season 2? (well, the "he wore her down" or "they will divorce" would have fit if it were season 2) Is that all there is for Molaro? Damn it, they showed more growth under his own shift!

I know some would say that the showrunners perception has more validity than mine but he appears to disregard many important aspects about them, he just sees it as "times they click". What does that mean? that you just randomly write lines and sometimes it makes the couple work? WTH?! "Leonard and Penny are different people" is such a shallow, casual viewer perception of Lenny.

 

 

"shallow perception" it is . I feel his perspective on Lenny is pretty immature and dull, atleast in this interview. He is still talking about how Sheldon and Raj think Penny is out of Leonard's league and how Leonard is more confident because of Penny like she is some kind of an ego boost trophy. That can't be the entire point of Lenny? 

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19 minutes ago, serena_1995 said:

 

"shallow perception" it is . I feel his perspective on Lenny is pretty immature and dull, atleast in this interview. He is still talking about how Sheldon and Raj think Penny is out of Leonard's league and how Leonard is more confident because of Penny like she is some kind of an ego boost trophy. That can't be the entire point of Lenny? 

And it ignores one of the show's writers' real accomplishments:  depicting Penny and Sheldon's mother as being ignorant, but most certainly NOT stupid.  Ignorance can be cured - stupidity cannot.  And each of these characters 'outsmarts' the 'smart' characters with good regularity.  

I have no patience with the idea that Penny is only a pretty face.  Was she trying to capitalize on that pretty face?  You bet!  Does that mean that's all she's got to contribute?  Most certainly not.  

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Yeah I would be concerned if I was a Lenny, only thing I would add is they aren't at the planning stage and a lot can happen between now and then. Group thinking in the writer's room can change minds. 

I did say earlier in the season (you can check my posts) that we could do with someone getting Molaro in the room and asking him about Lenny to perhaps explain what the plan or vision was for them this season. The Penny issue and some of her behaviour I found just as perplexing as anyone.

Got to say Molaro's answers are pretty disappointing and vague on that matter. Is it fair to say if he's being honest that he doesn't see an issue with them or perhaps doesn't see there needs to be anything changed?

I thought Jessica actually did a really good job with the questions. I have read some of her articles this season where she has been wondering what is going on with Lenny, are they perhaps heading towards a split at some point was something she was pondering. And I do know fans have been in contact with her on twitter after these articles have been written wondering what is going on. So fair play to her she asked the questions, didn't get much out of him but she asked.

Will have to see what they have in store for Season 11 but Lenny and Raj do concern me just like they have most of this season.

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Not the slightest surprised by the interview with Molaro to be honest, it just shows to me that TPTB doesn't care at all about Lenny. At the moment it really looks like season 11 will be just like season 10 for Lenny. Really disappointing I must say, to say the least. 

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53 minutes ago, bfm said:

Wow. Just Wow (@veejay, gif? :icon_redface:). I can't believe how shallow is his perception of Lenny. He sounds like a viewer with no interest in Lenny whatsoever.

[ -- SNIP -- ]

I know some would say that the showrunners perception has more validity than mine but he appears to disregard many important aspects about them, he just sees it as "times they click". What does that mean? that you just randomly write lines and sometimes it makes the couple work? WTH?! "Leonard and Penny are different people" is such a shallow, casual viewer perception of Lenny.

So the bottom line appears to be season 11 will be just more random unjustified and unresolved fights for Lenny, perhaps leading to a break-up, while Shamy keep moving forward becoming the best couple on earth. I think we will really need the dark Lenny thread for season 11. This is just SO SO SO frustrating. Feels like leaving a kid with an irresponsible carer that couldn't care less about her/his wellbeing and doesn't even try to learn who s/he is. 

2 minutes ago, Lagernisse said:

Not the slightest surprised by the interview with Molaro to be honest, it just shows to me that TPTB doesn't care at all about Lenny. At the moment it really looks like season 11 will be just like season 10 for Lenny. Really disappointing I must say, to say the least. 

Yep. The Lenny hope and joy just keeps coming and coming.

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28 minutes ago, veejay said:

Sorry, sometimes I'm just irritated by various reactions.

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Obviously, I'm not alone. :shy:

Well, this one goes with my dark Lenny thread comment :icon_cheesygrin:

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I don't see them breaking lenny up.The bases of the show is set on a girl moves in next door and the guy opposite likes her and after the breaks up and numerous marriages I don't see them breaking them up just to bring them back together a few seasons later.they would be pushing the boat and just annoying and the story  barrel must be empty to go to that level and surely one would have to move out if two people broke up and lived in the same building that would not be right and also no room shamy got penny's apartment now 

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5 hours ago, Jonny said:

Sounds like Raj is going to continue to be unlucky in love but might get something to do with his work. Meh.

I noticed he didn't use a gender when he mentioned a potential romantic interest for Raj, saying "person" instead. Part of me doesn't like the idea of Raj "discovering" he's gay for a lot of reasons: he's been shown to be happily sexually active with many different women over the years, his prior selective mutism seemed to be directly related to a woman being sexually attractive, he's been shown to be extremely comfortable with enjoying activities that are traditionally viewed as less masculine/more feminine and so it seems unlikely he'd be hiding homosexual desire out of fear of what others would think. All that said, if it would allow him to find a romantic relationship that will last beyond a few dates I'm all for Raj realizing he may be bisexual or gay.

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13 minutes ago, Bigbang.daily said:

I don't see them breaking lenny up.The bases of the show is set on a girl moves in next door and the guy opposite likes her and after the breaks up and numerous marriages I don't see them breaking them up just to bring them back together a few seasons later.they would be pushing the boat and just annoying and the story  barrel must be empty to go to that level and surely one would have to move out if two people broke up and lived in the same building that would not be right and also no room shamy got penny's apartment now 

You mean it's not annoying now.

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10 minutes ago, Gbb said:

I noticed he didn't use a gender when he mentioned a potential romantic interest for Raj, saying "person" instead. Part of me doesn't like the idea of Raj "discovering" he's gay for a lot of reasons: he's been shown to be happily sexually active with many different women over the years, his prior selective mutism seemed to be directly related to a woman being sexually attractive, he's been shown to be extremely comfortable with enjoying activities that are traditionally viewed as less masculine/more feminine and so it seems unlikely he'd be hiding homosexual desire out of fear of what others would think. All that said, if it would allow him to find a romantic relationship that will last beyond a few dates I'm all for Raj realizing he may be bisexual or gay.

Bisexuality exists. Sexuality is a spectrum and there are even bi people with a preference for one gender - think a 1 or 2 on the Kinsey scale. I think that could be a good solution here.

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1 hour ago, April said:

Bisexuality exists. Sexuality is a spectrum and there are even bi people with a preference for one gender - think a 1 or 2 on the Kinsey scale. I think that could be a good solution here.

Or he could just be a straight, metrosexual man with a lot of issues to work out before he finds a woman that won't be turned off by him. 

I understand the speculation that Raj might be bisexual/might fair better with men, but in real life, you either are or you aren't. You can't just decide to be bisexual or gay because it didn't work out with women. I think it's insanely unrealistic that a guy like Raj would suddenly get along better (physically and emotionally) with a man when he's always wanted a healthy, loving relationship with a woman. Especially when his lust for women has often come first.

Since the problem has never been that his sex life is horrible or that he just wasn't emotionally interested in the women he dated, it makes more sense for the writers to do what they've been doing all season: having him make a list of things about himself that need fixing so he can become a better person for whoever is out there for him. I personally want Raj to work on himself before finding the woman he's been dreaming of because since the very first season, that's what he's been looking for. I've asked myself if any of the problems Raj has had with keeping a women would've kept a man either... and the answer is no. They would've left him too.

That said, if the writers do go for a storyline where Raj dates men, I hope (like other's have already stated) that they give us genuine answers and a story that makes sense of such a serious topic. Some straight men and women lie about being bisexual/gay. Gay men and women sometimes lie about being bisexual. Bisexual men and women sometimes lie about being straight/gay. It happens when you feel like who you are isn't what other people want you to be. If the writer's decide to go that way with Raj, it really would be best to be very careful in crafting that story instead of just throwing it out there for shits and giggles. 

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5 hours ago, Chrismo said:

 The killing off of the guys project proves that.

I thought it was unfair and unceremonious how they got rid off the guys' project. They worked hard on the project. career setbacks are just as important as relationships.  I would have liked if there was some follow up on Penny's job hunt or a follow up on the guidance system project, in the finale, maybe a small B plot to give Leonard or Penny or Howard something to do. I don't think they needed all characters to deal with Shamy.   I don't know, dedicating an entire episode to just one plot - seems a bit odd. But I love group scenes too so...

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1 hour ago, Bigbang.daily said:

I don't see them breaking lenny up.The bases of the show is set on a girl moves in next door and the guy opposite likes her and after the breaks up and numerous marriages I don't see them breaking them up just to bring them back together a few seasons later.they would be pushing the boat and just annoying and the story  barrel must be empty to go to that level and surely one would have to move out if two people broke up and lived in the same building that would not be right and also no room shamy got penny's apartment now 

No, I don't see them breaking Lenny up either because that would mean that they'd have to actually write a story for them. 

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