[Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10

[3ku11]

It is more to do with money why they won't break Lenny up. They want this show to syndicated for future years. They won't risk pissing off any fanbase. In the fear of that not happening. 

ETA: It is a bit too late too say, of if they did these kinda Lenny episodes e.t.c. Kinda a mute point now. 10.22 They brought up Penny's career, even went to the trouble of bringing back Zac. But then it seemed pointless as Penny did not get a job. And while it was nice to see Lenny communicate better then they have in a few years. It just felt anti climatic to me. They then swept Penny career plot under the carpet. And proceeded from 10.23-10.24 to have one storyline, and one storyline only. Sheldon. So you know the shift in this show occured a while back now. So in regards to new matarial and Lenny. Why? They are so complacent, and they clearly think "If it is not broke, why fix it" mantra. So that does not matter to me. 

If you look at all the Lenny focused episodes this season. It starts to make even less sense, when you watch 10.22.  Which actually had resoloution. UnLike Romance Recalibration, Emotion Detection. The great RA episode. Where every non Lenny fan. Was like oh this well help Lenny. Nonsense. It was just a throw away gag as it turned out. To give Sheldon more screen time. Lenny to me were never a homogenous couple. For the Boy meets Girl Type. They were always very unique to me. They were definately not some clichied, boring marrage. With a boring, depressed, domesticated house wife. With the guy playing video games with food on his shirt. Some reason they decided to deconstruct Penny's character. From this Fun, Messy, Free Spirited, Liberated young woman. To this depressing, domesticated House Wife. No wonder she can be snarky to Leonard. IT is her core now. I mean I miss Penny watching football with her friends. IT would of been niced if they maintained that part of her personality. 

Well before they got married. I always thought oh Penny is fun. Lenny well have fun married life plots. Penny well drag Leonard places, he doesent want to go . But Leonard well do it out of love and compromise. Their whole marrage from a writing stand point. I have not seen any compromises from both parties. I am really dissapointed in the show. In terms of how they have written Lenny overall post 6.24. And so yeah Moloro tone suggests to me, we well continue to just phone it in. Because we really have no real plan, and we just don't care enough anymore. 

But hey Season Final tonight. Sheldon can take centre stage. Pass the popcorn...

Edited May 11, 2017 by 3ku11

[Jonny]

14 minutes ago, luminous said:

 

I assume this is right before Penny's: "Sheldon, we need to talk" moment.

Looking forward to the group themes and scenes in this one a lot. 

[Die Zimtzicke]

4 hours ago, shamyyellow said:

I hate this argument so much.

From the very first episode, a huge element of the show was Howard being girl-crazy, Raj not being able to talk to women but desperately wanting to be with one, and Leonard declaring that he would be with Penny one day. All of which happened while the guys went to work and did nerdy things in their free time.

Thank you! Great post. This did suddenly upset everyone when it was Sheldon, even though they dragged that relationship out for years. I can't understand why, either.

44 minutes ago, shamyyellow said:

Or he could just be a straight, metrosexual man with a lot of issues to work out before he finds a woman that won't be turned off by him. 

That's how I've always seen him ever since he wound up in bed with Penny's friend after the Halloween party. Yes, they had stupid jokes in the early years based on risque things he said that sounded gay, and it was stupid mostly because he had been in the states long enough to know some of those concepts, but they never actually had him attracted to men at all. I would not be adverse to a gay character, but not Raj. If that's what they wanted, they could have had him marry the girl from India who thought he rocked a sari.

 

[3ku11]

3 minutes ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

Thank you! Great post. This did suddenly upset everyone when it was Sheldon, even though they dragged that relationship out for years. I can't understand why, either.

I don't think it is about Sheldon being in a relationship. But some hard cores are upset they change Cannon with his character, ALOT. .Personally I would of prefered if they made Shamy an Assexual relationship. But that is JMO. 

[spidergirl]

27 minutes ago, luminous said:

 

Their faces as they looked at Ramona leaving were priceless, LOL!

[DrWackaDoodle]

Looking at the sign in the background. I don't remember them ever referring to the Los Robles apts as what I assume is "greenwood village." Interesting that TPTB decided to do that after 10 years. 

[Die Zimtzicke]

15 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

I don't think it is about Sheldon being in a relationship. But some hard cores are upset they change Cannon with his character, ALOT. .Personally I would of prefered if they made Shamy an Assexual relationship. But that is JMO

But they have ALWAYS changed canon with his character. He didn't do the 3 knocks at first for one thing. If it's always been that way, why does more change of canon bring out so much animosity? Not that I enjoy change of canon...I think the writers are idiots every time they do it. But it's nothing new.

[hokie3457]

 OK the episode is about to start let's see if I'm surprised!

[joyceraye]

9 hours ago, Jonny said:

Interesting to get into the minds of one of the powers that be. But Christ I don't agree with a lot of his take on things at all...

Prayers now ? Gosh we are taking things seriously !

[hokie3457]

Well, the only surprise was my disappointment.  I apologize in advance to the Shamy and Sheldon fans. I knew that it would be a Shamy centered episode, but it was yet another totally Sheldon centered episode.  It was more like the 200th episode and the Christmas episode in season seven (a/k/a  it's a wonderful Sheldon).   That this was the  season finale  for a supposed  ensemble  television show is very disappointing.   Sorry just the way I feel.  Onward to season 11.

[3ku11]

They should start promoting Young Sheldon soon. Why not. The Transparent Bias Towards Sheldon in this show has never been stronger then it is now. 

[Enrico Fermi]

What Molaro said about Lenny reminds me of how the producers saw Howardette for many years.  He has nothing definitive to say because he doesn't know and they're the utility players at the moment (like the baby question was asked about Howardette for years and always received a vague answer).  Before Lenny got married, Howardette was what they are now: the married couple who make cracks about each other more than they hug or kiss.  With the exception of when Howard's mother died, this was them until TPTB knocked-up Bernie and gave them a plot.  This current attitude about Lenny strikes me as laziness and failure to consider any type of plot for couples outside of marriage and babies.  This is obvious from the glacial pace at which they have addressed Penny's career dissatisfaction.  Shamy gets all the development because they are way down the totem pole in terms of achieving significant relationship milestones.

Edited May 12, 2017 by Enrico Fermi

[SRAM]

That was a really long kissing and Sheldon didn't stop it, Ramona was the one that ended it, at least Leonard stopped his when he realized what was happening.

[3ku11]

Yep I have come to the conclusion Sheldon cheated. IT came across very different in the TR. Sheldon contributed as much. And actually partook in the act. I see no difference with this kiss to Leonards one. Only difference is Leonard was offscreen. And the show painted Leonard as the bad wolf. This time of course Sheldon is the innocent party. Makes me wonder if Ramona did not end it, what would of happened? Can Amy go into a marrage, not knowing that information? Who knows. Seems like a knee jerk reaction. An impulsive act on Sheldons part, yeah I agree he loves Amy. But I Think going into a marrage based on an impulse is not a good idea. Marrage is a big deal. I am sorry if Leonard for two years on this forum gets shred to pieces. Now I seen it. I See no difference with the Leonard kiss. IT is only fair Sheldon get's the same treatment around here. 

Edited May 12, 2017 by 3ku11

[SRAM]

5 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

Yep I have come to the conclusion Sheldon cheated. IT came across very different in the TR. Sheldon contributed as much. And actually partook in the act. I see no difference with this kiss to Leonards one. Only difference is Leonard was offscreen. And the show painted Leonard as the bad wolf. This time of course Sheldon is the innocent party. Makes me wonder if Ramona did not end it, what would of happened? Can Amy go into a marrage, not knowing that information? Who knows. Seems like a knee jerk reaction. An impulsive act on Sheldons part, yeah I agree he loves Amy. But I Think going into a marrage based on an impulse is not a good idea. Marrage is a big deal. I am sorry if Leonard for two years on this forum gets shred to pieces. Now I seen it. I See no difference with the Leonard kiss. IT is only fair Sheldon get's the same treatment around here. 

I wonder if Sheldon will confess the kiss to Amy, and if he does, how will she take it.  I would think that she would not saw yes to his proposal if she knew the night before Penny explained what was happening and then that morning he was kissing Ramona.

[vonmar]

10 minutes ago, SRAM said:

That was a really long kissing and Sheldon didn't stop it, Ramona was the one that ended it, at least Leonard stopped his when he realized what was happening.

 

9 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

Yep I have come to the conclusion Sheldon cheated. IT came across very different in the TR. Sheldon contributed as much. And actually partook in the act. I see no difference with this kiss to Leonards one. Only difference is Leonard was offscreen. And the show painted Leonard as the bad wolf. This time of course Sheldon is the innocent party. Makes me wonder if Ramona did not end it, what would of happened? Can Amy go into a marrage, not knowing that information? Who knows. Seems like a knee jerk reaction. An impulsive act on Sheldons part, yeah I agree he loves Amy. But I Think going into a marrage based on an impulse is not a good idea. Marrage is a big deal. I am sorry if Leonard for two years on this forum gets shred to pieces. Now I seen it. I See no difference with the Leonard kiss. IT is only fair Sheldon get's the same treatment around here. 

Glamour: It was total perfection. I've watched it four times now! By the way, Leonard kissed a girl and told Penny about it right before they eloped. Is the plan for Sheldon to eventually come clean to Amy much sooner? Or will he ever?

Steve: I don’t really know what the plan is, but clearly this girl kissed him. I think Leonard was a little more wrapped up in what was going on. I see Sheldon as an innocent bystander with everything that happens with Ramona, and intentionally so. I don’t know what he’s going to do. But if asked the question, he answers it. He’s not one to hide or deceive information ever. It's not in his programming.

From Glamour

[serena_1995]

21 minutes ago, SRAM said:

That was a really long kissing and Sheldon didn't stop it, Ramona was the one that ended it, at least Leonard stopped his when he realized what was happening.

 

I know  !! It was a really long kiss . But I still don't think he cheated .

Edited May 12, 2017 by serena_1995

[legacy99]

So we have a poor innocent Sheldon being taken advantage of. I keep forgetting how prefect Sheldon is

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[SRAM]

5 minutes ago, vonmar said:

 

Glamour: It was total perfection. I've watched it four times now! By the way, Leonard kissed a girl and told Penny about it right before they eloped. Is the plan for Sheldon to eventually come clean to Amy much sooner? Or will he ever?

Steve: I don’t really know what the plan is, but clearly this girl kissed him. I think Leonard was a little more wrapped up in what was going on. I see Sheldon as an innocent bystander with everything that happens with Ramona, and intentionally so. I don’t know what he’s going to do. But if asked the question, he answers it. He’s not one to hide or deceive information ever. It's not in his programming.

From Glamour

Yeah Steve, throw Leonard under the bus, don't even try to defend him, talk about letting your true feelings about the character come out.  Now we know, if we want more Lenny stories we need to get rid of good old Steve.

[snow*flower]

I don't think it was cheating either.  Based on his expressions on his face and what Molaro said in the other interview, Sheldon realized the situation he was in and it just took him some time to "process" it. He's was in shock of it.

[Chrismo]

2 minutes ago, SRAM said:

Yeah Steve, throw Leonard under the bus, don't even try to defend him, talk about letting your true feelings about the character come out.  Now we know, if we want more Lenny stories we need to get rid of good old Steve.

Sad part is the guy can't interpret his own show. 

[Strawberry PopTart Fan]

2 hours ago, Nogravitasatall said:

I think he has always had scruples. It's just that they always take a while to catch up with his circumstances. Except for when he courted Penny I think his "adventures" have all been been reactive. I don't think he hunts for sexual events - Raj and Howard were the cruisers - but he has been slow to react when someone hits on him.

Someone will no doubt refute me, but I believe that mostly he gets surprised and overly grateful when someone makes an advance. It's nice to be asked and impolite to refuse. But if he had no scruples he'd have no regrets and the stupid pre-wedding cliffhanger demonstrated that he has regrets.

On the spectrum of human sexual behaviour he certainly isn't at the hyperactive end.

I couldn't agree more. This is a wonderful post. 

[Nogravitasatall]

5 minutes ago, legacy99 said:

So we have a poor innocent Sheldon being taken advantage of. I keep forgetting how prefect Sheldon is

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I know, right. Bad Ramona. She should have known better. What was she thinking?

(haven't seen it btw. Just being proactive)  

[hokie3457]

14 minutes ago, vonmar said:

 

Glamour: It was total perfection. I've watched it four times now! By the way, Leonard kissed a girl and told Penny about it right before they eloped. Is the plan for Sheldon to eventually come clean to Amy much sooner? Or will he ever?

Steve: I don’t really know what the plan is, but clearly this girl kissed him. I think Leonard was a little more wrapped up in what was going on. I see Sheldon as an innocent bystander with everything that happens with Ramona, and intentionally so. I don’t know what he’s going to do. But if asked the question, he answers it. He’s not one to hide or deceive information ever. It's not in his programming.

From Glamour

Nice article, but I'm speechless at what SM said about the Leonard character....

[Nogravitasatall]

3 minutes ago, Strawberry PopTart Fan said:

I couldn't agree more. This is a wonderful post. 

Imagine if Sheldon posted. They'd be on leaves of gold. Hehe

Edited May 12, 2017 by Nogravitasatall
Didn't want to get confused with autumn.