[Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10

[Capt. Hilts]

Aaaaand Penny got THE best line in the show.

Well done!

[vonmar]

2 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

Sad part is the guy can't interpret his own show. 

He is the showruner and head writer.  He doesn't need to interpret anything.  He is there everyday creating the product.

We are the ones who interpret. We are not in the writers room and we are not on set.  So we put our fan driven emotions into dissecting the show.

[legacy99]

Sometimes i wonder if johnny did something that really pissed off tptb

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[Chrismo]

3 minutes ago, vonmar said:

He is the showruner and head writer.  He doesn't need to interpret anything.  He is there everyday creating the product.

We are the ones who interpret. We are not in the writers room and we are not on set.  So we put our fan driven emotions into dissecting the show.

I think what he says is different than what he thinks. Kind of like a politician.

[SRAM]

4 minutes ago, legacy99 said:

Sometimes i wonder if johnny did something that really pissed off tptb

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Actually, I've wondered that too.  Kaley's remark to him at their audience visit seems to hint that he wasn't happy about the negotiations.  

[vonmar]

2 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

I think what he says is different than what he thinks. Kind of like a politician.

In order to produce a multi-million dollar product, dealing with the press everyday, doesn't he kind of need to be?

[Chrismo]

5 minutes ago, vonmar said:

In order to produce a multi-million dollar product, dealing with the press everyday, doesn't he kind of need to be?

But to be honest he is just bad at it. He could of stated in a way to make everyone happy. He obviously hasn't figured that out yet.

Edited May 12, 2017 by Chrismo

[joyceraye]

49 minutes ago, SRAM said:

That was a really long kissing and Sheldon didn't stop it, Ramona was the one that ended it, at least Leonard stopped his when he realized what was happening.

Would Sheldon have known how to stop it ?

[3ku11]

Steve Moloro: Sheldon is an innocent bystander

 Way to make it clear your transparency. If Leonard cheated, Sheldon did too. The both scenarios are not mutually exclusive at all. "Oh it was a long kiss". But I don't think he cheated. Leonard had being drunk, as an excuse. And also the way he is wired. Susceptible to attention from the opposite sex. We keep hearing Sheldon has evolved. So clearly he is self aware. I am sorry I am not buying this innocence act. Sheldon knew exactly what was going on. What was Sheldons excuse? Their was no alcahol involved. Question now is I suspose. Well Sheldon tell Amy. If he does, surley this effects her decision making. 

Edited May 12, 2017 by 3ku11

[Chrismo]

1 minute ago, joyceraye said:

Would Sheldon have known how to stop it ?

A better question is did Sheldon want to stop it?

[SRAM]

2 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

Would Sheldon have known how to stop it ?

Well based on what I saw, the writers decided that he didn't know to stop it.  And besides, Steve basically said Leonard is a cheater and Sheldon isn't.

[Chrismo]

1 minute ago, 3ku11 said:

Steve Moloro: Sheldon is an innocent bystander

 Way to make it clear your transparency. If Leonard cheated, Sheldon did too. The both scenarios are not mutually exclusive at all. "Oh it was a long kiss". But I don't think he cheated. Leonard had being drunk, as an excuse. And also the way he is wired. Susceptible to attention from the opposite sex. We keep hearing Sheldon has evolved. So clearly he is self aware. I am sorry I am not buying this innocence act. Sheldon knew exactly what was going on. 

I think the clue is what he did after the kiss. It seems to me he knows he screwed up and feels he cheated on Amy. I will let others debate that. Proposing to him IMO was him trying to correct what he did wrong. As to comparing Sheldon and Leonard Sheldon had it easier since he was a plane trip away. Leonard on the other hand was stuck on a boat in the North Sea.

[3ku11]

4 minutes ago, SRAM said:

Well based on what I saw, the writers decided that he didn't know to stop it.  And besides, Steve basically said Leonard is a cheater and Sheldon isn't.

That is my issue. If were going to say Leonard cheated. Then Sheldon did too. IT is not fair to say Leonard did, and Sheldon diddn't. When the context and scenarios are very similar. Using Sheldon woulden't know how to stop it does not fly with me. If he is mature enough to be a adult consenting relationship. He is mature enough to know what is right and what is wrong. The Length of the kisses seem to be similar between Leonard/Mandy and Sheldon/Ramona. The question well they tell their SO's is going to be brought up. Leonard told Penny after two years. Well it well be two years down the track. S12 Finalie, Series Final. Sheldon tells Amy, and they break up? OR enter a Gray Area termed relationship? I just don't like the clear transparency here. 

2 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

I think the clue is what he did after the kiss. It seems to me he knows he screwed up and feels he cheated on Amy. I will let others debate that. Proposing to him IMO was him trying to correct what he did wrong. As to comparing Sheldon and Leonard Sheldon had it easier since he was a plane trip away. Leonard on the other hand was stuck on a boat in the North Sea.

Well yeah exactly. Leonard had more of a chance to cheat, then Sheldon did. But it is still the same thing. Leonard was away. This time Amy was away. This is basically S8 finalie all over again. But this time Shamy is on the other end of it. 

[vonmar]

1 minute ago, Chrismo said:

I think the clue is what he did after the kiss. It seems to me he knows he screwed up and feels he cheated on Amy. I will let others debate that. Proposing to him IMO was him trying to correct what he did wrong. As to comparing Sheldon and Leonard Sheldon had it easier since he was a plane trip away. Leonard on the other hand was stuck on a boat in the North Sea.

Okay, you feel like Sheldon thinks he cheated.  (I don't).  Sheldon got kissed and jumped on a plane to Amy. 

Yes, Leonard was in the North Sea, finally came home and then what happened, nothing.  He reveals nothing? 

Distance means nothing.

[jenafan]

41 minutes ago, SRAM said:

That was a really long kissing and Sheldon didn't stop it, Ramona was the one that ended it, at least Leonard stopped his when he realized what was happening.

It is called shock!  Sheldon was clearly caught off guard.  When he asked Ramona if she was seeking a romantic relationship, he expected a verbal not physical reply.

True, he unintentionally led her on by acknowledging he enjoys spending time with her, but it is evident he meant their relationship to be a platonic one.

Also, Amy said so herself.  She has broken him in.   All Ramona had to do was give him her lips, whatever return pucker he gave was an automatic response from conditioning, not desire.  Sheldon did not cheat!

Nor was panic evident in his decision to go after Amy.  He made it clear he was missing her.     He calmly dismissed the situation with Ramona and purposely went after the one he really really enjoys spending time with mentally, emotionally, and physically.

My only disappointment is that Amy did not look as happy or surprised to see Sheldon as I had hoped...   

[legacy99]

Jmo but for 2 years Leonard didn't know he kissed someone on the ship. Not untill the writers pulled it out of their a** 2 year's later

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[5Mississippis]

41 minutes ago, legacy99 said:

Sometimes i wonder if johnny did something that really pissed off tptb

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I like to think that he dared to speak the truth inside their echo chamber and did not act like a sycophant and told them that what they were writing was total crap. 

[3ku11]

Well we know he spoke up on the S4 finalie script lol. So I could see that. They way the writers treat Leonard. And now Moloro essentially just confirmed his transparent hate for the character. Well I don't know. 

[Nogravitasatall]

32 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

Would Sheldon have known how to stop it ?

Was Sheldon asking for it? Being alone with a women and all? 

(Joke)

[Chrismo]

6 minutes ago, vonmar said:

Okay, you feel like Sheldon thinks he cheated.  (I don't).  Sheldon got kissed and jumped on a plane to Amy. 

Yes, Leonard was in the North Sea, finally came home and then what happened, nothing.  He reveals nothing? 

Distance means nothing.

Distance means nothing in the sense he didn't tell after getting back. Ramona kissed Sheldon and didn't stop her. I could see how some can see how clueless Sheldon was until the kiss. Cluelessness went out the window as soon as she kissed him. Did he stop her? Sheldon getting on the plane really means nothing. He could of easily proposed before the trip. Thus what really is his motive? Open to debate I suppose. A theory with Leonard is not telling was because of the length of time between it happening and seeing Penny. I can see why people think Leonard cheated. I also can see why people think Sheldon cheated. I will say a big difference is we saw mostly what happened with Sheldon. It's all talk in regards to Leonard.

[3ku11]

Not really. Leonard said he made out with a woman. That is all I need.

We Saw Sheldon make out with a Woman, that is all I need. 

They both cheated. Does not make Sheldon or Leonard cheaters. But I am tired of justifying both parties. But tell it like it is. 

Obvious question now is. IF Amy accepts Sheldons proposal. Well Sheldon tell Amy about the kiss? Watch this space. DO I care? LOL not really.

[Kathy2611]

23 minutes ago, jenafan said:

It is called shock!  Sheldon was clearly caught off guard.  When he asked Ramona if she was seeking a romantic relationship, he expected a verbal not physical reply.

True, he unintentionally led her on by acknowledging he enjoys spending time with her, but it is evident he meant their relationship to be a platonic one.

Also, Amy said so herself.  She has broken him in.   All Ramona had to do was give him her lips, whatever return pucker he gave was an automatic response from conditioning, not desire.  Sheldon did not cheat!

Nor was panic evident in his decision to go after Amy.  He made it clear he was missing her.     He calmly dismissed the situation with Ramona and purposely went after the one he really really enjoys spending time with mentally, emotionally, and physically.

My only disappointment is that Amy did not look as happy or surprised to see Sheldon as I had hoped...   

Really?  She looked completely surprised to me.

[Carlos]

18 hours ago, Jonny said:

He didn't kiss her, she kissed him and he immediately got the fuck out of there after she did it. And he did stress he wasn't interested in her at all before she did it.

I don't see how at all they are comparable situations here. I mean Leonard actually described features of Mandy from the kiss and it wasn't very good right? Suggests to me he actually kissed back (even if it was for a few seconds) if she had planted a drunken kiss on him during a party on the boat.

Did you see it? NO you didn't so it's  just speculation on your part. TBH you hadn't seen the Sheldon/Ramona kiss at the time you wrote your post so that is ALSO speculation (as referring to Sheldon's innocence)

[serena_1995]

24 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

Distance means nothing in the sense he didn't tell after getting back. Ramona kissed Sheldon and didn't stop her. I could see how some can see how clueless Sheldon was until the kiss. Cluelessness went out the window as soon as she kissed him. Did he stop her? Sheldon getting on the plane really means nothing. He could of easily proposed before the trip. Thus what really is his motive? Open to debate I suppose. A theory with Leonard is not telling was because of the length of time between it happening and seeing Penny. I can see why people think Leonard cheated. I also can see why people think Sheldon cheated. I will say a big difference is we saw mostly what happened with Sheldon. It's all talk in regards to Leonard.

 

I will say that Sheldon puckered up his lips and he didn't stop her or push her away. she stopped the kiss. It was not a quickie on the lips. It was a relatively long kiss.

but that still doesn't mean Sheldon participated. he was merely receiving the kiss. I think he is innocent, just needs to come clean to Amy.

Edited May 12, 2017 by serena_1995

[Carlos]

12 hours ago, No Regrets said:

What I got from that article is that they have no long-term plan for Lenny and just make shit up as they go along. Nothing new here. And for heaven's sake: think of new "jokes". 

Exactly! What is so troubling to me is that Molaro doesn't even realize the disservice TPTB have dome to Lenny, so I'm sure he will not "fix" them because he doesn't even realize they need fixing. In Molaro I see a show runner who is completely out of touch with reality, has believed his own hype, and who is incapable of tackling adult subjects in an adult fashion.

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