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9 minutes ago, Carlos said:

Exactly! What is so troubling to me is that Molaro doesn't even realize the disservice TPTB have dome to Lenny, so I'm sure he will not "fix" them because he doesn't even realize they need fixing. In Molaro I see a show runner who is completely out of touch with reality, has believed his own hype, and who is incapable of tackling adult subjects in an adult fashion.

If you refer to me I'm not trying to do that, but I will, of course , not accept someone's interpretation as gospel specially about something I haven't seen on the show.

Why would Lennys need to shift blame to another character? Sheldon did all that himself. 

Have to agree. Moloro as a head writer imo has lost touch with his core audience. The moment Bill Prady stepped down, this show went down hill. Pretty much confirmed as much. The writers hate Leonard. And they well keep phoning it in for the next 48 episodes. Because all they care about now is their poster boy. What used to a tv show. Is not a cash cow to shift their merch. 

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34 minutes ago, Carlos said:

If you refer to me I'm not trying to do that, but I will, of course , not accept someone's interpretation as gospel specially about something I haven't seen on the show.

I wasn't referring to you.

 

27 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

Why would Lennys need to shift blame to another character. Sheldon did all that himself. 

Maybe you need to read Steve's response again. 

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Im going to hope that Sheldon enjoyed the kiss, reflected a little on his options, then went back to the person he loved. Again, much what happened when they did this last time (not even in flashback). Of course... it could go the other way. Have to watch 11.01 to find out. Funny that.

And. Did Ramona float when they swam? We know what that means. If it floats like a duck... I'll get the torches. Back later. 

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I saw a man who was blindsided by an unexpected kiss, did absolutely nothing to return it, and got the hell out of there as fast as he could. In no way was that cheating. When you're literally in the middle of a sentence telling someone that you can't be in a romantic relationship with them because you're already in a relation.... And they kiss you? And you hightail it out of there? On no planet is that cheating. 

And because it seems like a discussion of Leonard and Mandy is mandatory when talking about this question, I'll say that if that's how their kiss went down then Leonard didn't cheat either. Thing is, as many have pointed out, we didn't see the boat kiss, so we don't know how it played out. What we do know is how Leonard felt about it. He still felt guilty two years later. Does that mean he cheated? Not necessarily. It could just mean he felt guilty he never told Penny about it.

Bottom line, whether Leonard cheated or not has absolutely nothing to do with tonight's situation which is, imo, completely unequivocal. Sheldon didn't cheat. 

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31 minutes ago, Kathy2611 said:

Really?  She looked completely surprised to me.

She looked stunned, like perhaps thinking she is hallucinating.   When I say surprised, I was hoping for a smile or something to indicate happiness.

However, my husband asked me what should I expect when just a few seconds before opening the door she thought her boyfriend was across the country, perhaps with Ramona.   She hadn't had time to get her bearings straight.

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1 hour ago, vonmar said:

Glamour: It was total perfection. I've watched it four times now! By the way, Leonard kissed a girl and told Penny about it right before they eloped. Is the plan for Sheldon to eventually come clean to Amy much sooner? Or will he ever?

Steve: I don’t really know what the plan is, but clearly this girl kissed him. I think Leonard was a little more wrapped up in what was going on. I see Sheldon as an innocent bystander with everything that happens with Ramona, and intentionally so. I don’t know what he’s going to do. But if asked the question, he answers it. He’s not one to hide or deceive information ever. It's not in his programming.

From Glamour

Allow me to translate this for you: "How dare you even suggest-- I mean it's S h e l d o n. My pwetty, pwetty Sheldon. He has never done anything wrong in his life, ever. In fact, did you know that even his farts are known to cure cancer? Well, they do. Now Leonard on the other hand, now he's a bad dude. Seriously, he's bad news. Not like Sheldon. Sheldon is beauty. Sheldon is wonder. If I could find a way to have Sheldon literally wipe his own ass with Leonard, believe you me, I would."

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8 minutes ago, Gbb said:

I saw a man who was blindsided by an unexpected kiss, did absolutely nothing to return it, and got the hell out of there as fast as he could. In no way was that cheating. When you're literally in the middle of a sentence telling someone that you can't be in a romantic relationship with them because you're already in a relation.... And they kiss you? And you hightail it out of there? On no planet is that cheating. 

And because it seems like a discussion of Leonard and Mandy is mandatory when talking about this question, I'll say that if that's how their kiss went down then Leonard didn't cheat either. Thing is, as many have pointed out, we didn't see the boat kiss, so we don't know how it played out. What we do know is how Leonard felt about it. He still felt guilty two years later. Does that mean he cheated? Not necessarily. It could just mean he felt guilty he never told Penny about it.

Bottom line, whether Leonard cheated or not has absolutely nothing to do with tonight's situation which is, imo, completely unequivocal. Sheldon didn't cheat. 

I think the discussion became mandatory because some think Sheldon cheated. Just to clarify if I get drunk in a bar, wake up in the morning next to a woman that isn't my wife, high tail out of there as soon I realized what happened that isn't cheating?

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Allow me to translate this for you: "How dare you even suggest-- I mean it's S h e l d o n. My pwetty, pwetty Sheldon. He has never done anything wrong in his life, ever. In fact, did you know that even his farts are known to cure cancer? Well, they do. Now Leonard on the other hand, now he's a bad dude. Seriously, he's bad news. Not like Sheldon. Sheldon is beauty. Sheldon is wonder. If I could find a way to have Sheldon literally wipe his own ass with Leonard, believe you me, I would."
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2 hours ago, SRAM said:

That was a really long kissing and Sheldon didn't stop it, Ramona was the one that ended it, at least Leonard stopped his when he realized what was happening.

If you're talking about the boat, we didn't see what Leonard did. As for Sheldon, I concentrated the whole time on his eyes. His eyes were wide open. He looked like he was in shock. I don't like how they did it. I'm not particularly pleased with it. But I really think the writers DO intend for Sheldon to be seen as a victim and that Jim was told to play it that way.

1 hour ago, hokie3457 said:

Nice article, but I'm speechless at what SM said about the Leonard character....

Especially since, as I said above, they didn't let us see Leonard's kiss. How can we compare them if we didn't see it? All we have to go on is what we're told and they are telling us how they wrote it and what they expected us to think of it. Naturally, some people won't see it that way in either case, but they are being very clear about what they intended. 

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6 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

I think the discussion became mandatory because some think Sheldon cheated. Just to clarify if I get drunk in a bar, wake up in the morning next to a woman that isn't my wife, high tail out of there as soon I realized what happened that isn't cheating?

If you want to try convincing your wife that getting drunk and sleeping with someone is the same thing as being kissed by someone in while you're in the middle of telling them you're not available, be my guest. Let me know how that plays out. 

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3 minutes ago, Gbb said:

If you want to try convincing your wife that getting drunk and sleeping with someone is the same thing as being kissed by someone in while you're in the middle of telling them you're not available, be my guest. Let me know how that plays out. 

It wouldn't work out well. Just like tonight's episode shouldn't.

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5 minutes ago, Gbb said:

If you want to try convincing your wife that getting drunk and sleeping with someone is the same thing as being kissed by someone in while you're in the middle of telling them you're not available, be my guest. Let me know how that plays out. 

If we ever meet I am going to give you a big hug. I loved your comment.

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So Leonard cheated, but Sheldon diddn't? Is that the narrative were sticking to? Okay. Personally Leonard and Sheldon kissed another woman, thats cheating folks. But yeah Moloro loves Sheldon, and hates Leonard clearly. It all makes sense now. The past four seasons of crap now is clearer. 

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5 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

I think the discussion became mandatory because some think Sheldon cheated. Just to clarify if I get drunk in a bar, wake up in the morning next to a woman that isn't my wife, high tail out of there as soon I realized what happened that isn't cheating?

Another question:  if a woman who is not your wife corners you and manhandles your goods or causes an arousal by her actions before you realize what is happening and put a stop to it, did you just cheat or were you taken advantage of?

The movie Disclosure comes to mind.  

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7 minutes ago, Gbb said:

If you want to try convincing your wife that getting drunk and sleeping with someone is the same thing as being kissed by someone in while you're in the middle of telling them you're not available, be my guest. Let me know how that plays out. 

That is shifting the goal posts somewhat. Nor Leonard or Sheldon slept with Ramona or Mandy. Are we comparing to real life now? Let's stick to what actually happened. Nor Leonard or Sheldon intentionally meant to cheat. So either they are both cheaters, or they are not at all. I just don't like what Moloro said thaat is all. 

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12 minutes ago, No Regrets said:

Allow me to translate this for you: "How dare you even suggest-- I mean it's S h e l d o n. My pwetty, pwetty Sheldon. He has never done anything wrong in his life, ever. In fact, did you know that even his farts are known to cure cancer? Well, they do. Now Leonard on the other hand, now he's a bad dude. Seriously, he's bad news. Not like Sheldon. Sheldon is beauty. Sheldon is wonder. If I could find a way to have Sheldon literally wipe his own ass with Leonard, believe you me, I would."

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I quoted the showrunner, I didn't offer an opinion.  So what you mean is, let me translate this for Steve Molaro because you have a much better grip on what is happening on the set of TBBT than he does.

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Just now, vonmar said:

I quoted the showrunner, I didn't offer an opinion.  So what you mean is, let me translate this for Steve Molaro because you have a much better grip on what is happening on the set of TBBT than he does.

My post clearly didn't refer to you but I apologize if it seems like it did. And yes, to me it's very, very much evident that Molaro and the other writers think Sheldon is a million times better than Leonard is, which is obvious when it comes to how they write either character and the time they devote to either character. I don't think they realize that the other characters have fans, too. And the worst part is that I highly doubt they give a shit. 

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2 minutes ago, vonmar said:

I quoted the showrunner, I didn't offer an opinion.  So what you mean is, let me translate this for Steve Molaro because you have a much better grip on what is happening on the set of TBBT than he does.

Or, it could simply be her opinion of what she thinks, Steve thinks of the whole thing.    I have no idea as to what is happening on the set, but No Regrets comment pretty much agree with what I think is Steve's thinking, based on what I've seen on the TV screen.  

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2 minutes ago, legacy99 said:

Am i the only one who thought that Sheldon was flirting with her

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No he was flirting with her the entire episode. He was enjoying himself. That is why I don't buy he was an innocent buystander. He enjoyed the attention. 

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4 minutes ago, legacy99 said:

Am i the only one who thought that Sheldon was flirting with her

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No that part is true, he was definitely flirting with her.  That also brings up a good point, is really Ramona the innocent party here, because she took his flirting as confirmation that her flirting with him was welcomed and that is why she kissed him.

Also have we ever seen Sheldon go so far out of his comfort zone with a girl, even Amy or Penny?

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8 minutes ago, jenafan said:

Another question:  if a woman who is not your wife corners you and manhandles your goods or causes an arousal by her actions before you realize what is happening and put a stop to it, did you just cheat or were you taken advantage of?

The movie Disclosure comes to mind.  

I'm not a movie person so I don't know Disclosure. In my case I wouldn't have gotten myself in that situation of a woman manhandling my goods. If I did however to answer the question really isn't or but a both. I would think I cheated simply because I allowed my self to be taken advantage of. What I said originally it stretched the believability factor that Sheldon was clueless I can play along with that (even through the swimming) but I can't get past the kiss. As others have stated even pro Sheldon posters admitted it was a fairly long kiss. He showed  no sign of stopping or was not repulsed with her actions.

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TBF Ramona is kinda attractive. So Sheldon is clearly attracted to other woman. Guess Sheldon needs to ask himself, why he enjoyed it. Maybe he gets from Ramona, he is not getting from Amy? Shamy is not exactly a physical relationship. 

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