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4 hours ago, 2L344 said:

In my opinion this was an Easter egg of sorts to show Sheldon's mindset, that Ramona was fooling Sheldon and pretending to be a friend while having a different agenda.

Spongebob reminded me of the game Sheldon and Amy played at the aquarium on Thanksgiving. Perhaps it reminded him of Amy, too?

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5 hours ago, Mario D. said:

So true that the writers just cannot find a happy medium for Penny and Leonard. All I can say is WTF is going on?

It's just a feeling based on what they've said but I honestly think the writers feel that this is an ensemble show and that Penny and Leonard have had their turn at being the major characters. There was no Amy or Bernie for years. The focus for the most part, not all, but the most part was on Lenny. Then they started giving Howardette a turn and began Shamy, which went slow as molasses while they had the Howardette wedding and Baby. Lenny already had two weddings. I think the writers want something new to play with and it's Shamy, based on the fact that Sheldon has always been a major character anyway. I know that theory will not make some people happy, but to the writers, the whole fandom is not made up of Lenny fans and they seem to like to change focus every now and then.

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17 minutes ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

Spongebob reminded me of the game Sheldon and Amy played at the aquarium on Thanksgiving. Perhaps it reminded him of Amy, too?

Forgot about that.

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Sheldon: Oh. Would you care to play an ocean-themed game I invented?

Amy: Sure. What is it?

Sheldon: It’s called Food, Friend, Fight. One of us chooses three aquatic creatures, and the other one must decide which he would eat, befriend, or battle.

Amy: So it’s like Kiss, Marry, Kill.

Sheldon: What is that?

Amy: It’s a game where you’re given three people and you choose which one you’d kiss, marry, or kill.

Sheldon: Well, my game is better, ’cause instead of marrying someone, you get to eat them.

Amy: Let’s just play.

Sheldon: I’ll start you off easy. Electric eel, pufferfish, shrimp.

Amy: Hmm. Well, I wouldn’t fight the eel, because I know it can generate enough current to kill a horse. So I’d eat the eel, fight the shrimp, and befriend the pufferfish, because it would be nice to have company on those days I feel bloated.

Sheldon: Very well done.

Amy: Thank you. Okay, your turn. Hmm. Seal, hagfish, SpongeBob SquarePants.

Sheldon: Well, I’d befriend SpongeBob but he’s not real, so I can’t do that, can I?

Amy: But you can pal around with a hagfish?

Sheldon: Hey, let’s not pull at that thread. Okay. I’ll fight SpongeBob, because he’s so friendly we’ll just end up tickling each other. Um, I’ll befriend the seal, because he’s trainable, which is the problem I’m having with my current friends. Which means I’ll have to eat the hagfish.

Amy: Isn’t that gross? I mean, a hagfish can produce enough mucus to fill a bucket in a minute.

Sheldon: I know. It makes its own gravy, it’ll slide right down.

Spongebob does not seem to figure very large here.

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39 minutes ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

Spongebob reminded me of the game Sheldon and Amy played at the aquarium on Thanksgiving. Perhaps it reminded him of Amy, too?

The episode of "Sponge Bob" is one in which someone tries to make friends with him for nefarious or dishonest reasons.

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8 minutes ago, Capt. Hilts said:

The episode of "Sponge Bob" is one in which someone tries to make friends with him for nefarious or dishonest reasons.

 

Yes, it is, but I just find it weird that Sheldon is laughing about it under the circumstances. I'd like to think that's only part of it for that reason.

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1 hour ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

It's just a feeling based on what they've said but I honestly think the writers feel that this is an ensemble show and that Penny and Leonard have had their turn at being the major characters. There was no Amy or Bernie for years. The focus for the most part, not all, but the most part was on Lenny. Then they started giving Howardette a turn and began Shamy, which went slow as molasses while they had the Howardette wedding and Baby. Lenny already had two weddings. I think the writers want something new to play with and it's Shamy, based on the fact that Sheldon has always been a major character anyway. I know that theory will not make some people happy, but to the writers, the whole fandom is not made up of Lenny fans and they seem to like to change focus every now and then.

I suggest it might just be commerce. Leonard and Penny are a legacy product. They have invested in Sheldon, he being their cash cow. And they have more capital at risk in the new show coming*. They are not going to cross-compete in their own product range. Any work with Leonard & Penny is now of the loss leader variety. Their opportunities for product expansion lie elsewhere. 

My thoughts. After all, this is show business. Not art. :) 

*synergy

edit: I feel that the commerce lens can explain a lot. Also Sheldon generates more merch. And it was the merch that made George Lucas the big bucks. Far more money in Sheldon. So of course, nobble the internal competition. 

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7 hours ago, Lagernisse said:

I think this season cliffhanger has to be one of the lamest in TV history, There is no way that Amy will say anything else than yes in season 11. 

Lol i agree. This is not exactly a cliffhanger. Hands up anyone in the audience, who thinks Amy well say no? She has been obsessed with intimacy and affection from Sheldon since day one. Amy is going to say no to Sheldon? Yeah right. Sheldon: Amy before you accept my proposal, you need to know something.... I have herpies ... Amy:  I don't care baby! Sheldon:  This is hard, but you deserve to know the truth.... I banged Ramona...  Amy: I don't care baby! Amy really has no self respect when it comes to Sheldon :sarcastichand:. Just another example of how predictable this show is becoming late in its run. Hey its How i met Your Mother! :icon_cheesygrin:.

ETA: Being disengenious, steady on Shamys. 

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4 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

It's just a feeling based on what they've said but I honestly think the writers feel that this is an ensemble show and that Penny and Leonard have had their turn at being the major characters. There was no Amy or Bernie for years. The focus for the most part, not all, but the most part was on Lenny.

This is a common misconception, but it isn't true.   While there was no Amy and Bernie for the first three years, they were there for a year and a half, when Penny and Leonard weren't together.  And don't forget, there was also no Leonard and Penny, except occasionally, in the first two years.

Season one was the show finding it's feet.  Season two, there were actually more Sheldon and Penny time, than Leonard and Penny time.  Season three had Penny and Leonard, but there was quite a bit of Sheldon and Penny time also.  Season four, they were broke up and it was more Sheldon and Amy, and don't forget the Howardette engagement.  In season five, it was again half a season of Leonard and Penny broken up, with Amy and Sheldon all season, and the planning for the Howeardette wedding.   

Season six I give you for Leonard and Penny, but you know what?  Sheldon and Amy had almost as many plots and major scenes as Leonard and Penny.  Season seven was pretty even, with screen time (while I haven't got screen time for season six, then number of plots indicate it was pretty even, so season six and seven were the most equal for the couples).

In season eight, Amy and Sheldon had more than twice as much screen time as Leonard and Penny, and even Sheldon and Penny had more screen time than Leonard and Penny.  

Season nine, Amy and Sheldon had just under twice as much screen time, with more for Howardette due to the baby.  This year, I can't claim anything more than a feeling, as I haven't got the entire timing for the year done yet. It seems as if Shamy has had more than twice the time again this year.  I'll let you know when I finish. 

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1 hour ago, snapepans said:

So, let's see: ...

 

I don't see it as bashing the ship. If she says yes to the proposal I don't think it bashing the character. His example may be a bit extreme but I do get his general point. The big obstacle IMO in Shamy's relationship was the coitus. Since that has been taken care of the Ramona kiss  means less again IMO that it would of two years ago. Also so does the fanfiction like comment about coitus with Ramona. Would Amy break up with him? Again two years ago it would of been a yes. Now I'm not so sure. 

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While I ship Shamy, I was also a long time fan of Leonard landing the cute blonde neighbor long before Amy appeared in a cafe in her stoic Sheldon-like visage. One can enjoy all the goodness that the show is showering on Shamy while hoping that the writers clean up the issues Lenny suffer from. While Im at it, I also hope things improve for Raj and even Stuart.

I still believe TBBT wouldnt be as successful or enjoyable without the contributions of all hands over the years. As much as I like Shamy I wouldnt prefer watching their own show (for the sake of argument) over TBBT. I think there is room in our fandom to appreciate the fun plot that Shamy is enjoying while hoping for better plots and writing for the other characters weve come to love. 

Maybe Im overly simplistic with this line of thinking...if so I can accept that.

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Skull, Snapepans that's enough.  

Snapepans, I would suggest you read our rules, if you already haven't.  Outside of Ship Threads, members are allowed to be critical of characters.   If you think a post doesn't comply with our rules, report it, don't answer it. If you wish to reply, refute or reply to the parts of the post having to do with the show.  Attacking the other poster is not allowed.  

Skull, you've been here long enough to know you report a post, not answer it.  

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5 hours ago, djsurrey said:

Whatever it is I like it.

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Okay lol. I am happy for you. Personally I thought it was one of the most predictable cliffhangers I have seen on TV. I mean cliffhanger generally means to me. The resolution of the finalie, could go either way. i don't see two outcomes here. I only see one Amy says yes. And that is fine. But it is pretty lame. 

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4 hours ago, Tensor said:

 

 

This is a common misconception, but it isn't true.   While there was no Amy and Bernie for the first three years, they were there for a year and a half, when Penny and Leonard weren't together.  And don't forget, there was also no Leonard and Penny, except occasionally, in the first two years.

Season one was the show finding it's feet.  Season two, there were actually more Sheldon and Penny time, than Leonard and Penny time.  Season three had Penny and Leonard, but there was quite a bit of Sheldon and Penny time also.  Season four, they were broke up and it was more Sheldon and Amy, and don't forget the Howardette engagement.  In season five, it was again half a season of Leonard and Penny broken up, with Amy and Sheldon all season, and the planning for the Howeardette wedding.   

Season six I give you for Leonard and Penny, but you know what?  Sheldon and Amy had almost as many plots and major scenes as Leonard and Penny.  Season seven was pretty even, with screen time (while I haven't got screen time for season six, then number of plots indicate it was pretty even, so season six and seven were the most equal for the couples).

In season eight, Amy and Sheldon had more than twice as much screen time as Leonard and Penny, and even Sheldon and Penny had more screen time than Leonard and Penny.  

Season nine, Amy and Sheldon had just under twice as much screen time, with more for Howardette due to the baby.  This year, I can't claim anything more than a feeling, as I haven't got the entire timing for the year done yet. It seems as if Shamy has had more than twice the time again this year.  I'll let you know when I finish. 

Again, think commerce and of the supermarket. They know you want classic ( L/P) but they work hard to sell you new.  (Sheldon)  as they think they can make more off  it down stream  - in the franchise.

Shelldon gets more shelf space.

 edit: and Leonard got moved to a lower shelf from 8.24. Strategically  - to further differentiate the products and promote Sheldon, because hey he doesn't cheat. (Give a dog a bad name and you may as well shoot it applies. Vale Hero Leonard).

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14 hours ago, Lagernisse said:

Stand out comments for me:

'this season hasn't been the show's best';

'an increasingly tired series';

'recycling the same conflict we'very seen so many times';

'usual formula is that Sheldon isn't particularly put out by Amy's absence';

'but as too often the case with this show, more could have been done'.

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47 minutes ago, 5Mississippis said:

Stand out comments for me:

'this season hasn't been the show's best';

'an increasingly tired series';

'recycling the same conflict we'very seen so many times';

'usual formula is that Sheldon isn't particularly put out by Amy's absence';

'but as too often the case with this show, more could have been done'.

Stand out for me :sarcastichand:. Sorry this has probably been the shows worst season. Best Season still Season 6. 

Recycling the same conflict, definately. Repeated Cannon e.t.c. I mean you just have to look at Lenny this year, to know that. Epiosdes like Romance Recalibration and Emotion Detection. Was Recycled matarial at its absloute worst. 

Sheldon not bothered by Amys absence yep. But apparently can't live without her? What ever you say. 

Tired Series. Kinda sums it up. It has had its day. 

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3 hours ago, Tensor said:

Skull, Snapepans that's enough.  

Snapepans, I would suggest you read our rules, if you already haven't.  Outside of Ship Threads, members are allowed to be critical of characters.   If you think a post doesn't comply with our rules, report it, don't answer it. If you wish to reply, refute or reply to the parts of the post having to do with the show.  Attacking the other poster is not allowed.  

Skull, you've been here long enough to know you report a post, not answer it.  

Posts have been hidden, one has been edited.

OK, I've read the rules.

But I got 2 questions:

1. So he was allowed to say:"Sheldon has herpes, and Sheldon banged Ramona" based on nothing, but I was not allowed to ask him: "Why did you say these character bashing things to try to start a ship war?"

2. You kept his post, but hid mine, based on my opinions about character bashing rules on this forum. But, in my post, I also said, we could discuss some interesting topics, instead of some pointless and redundant arguments like "one says Amy has no self-respect, the other says Penny has even low self-respect because she married Leonard anyway." And since my post got hidden, so the latecomers couldn't see what I was trying to say, is this fair?

 

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21 hours ago, JE7 said:

People believe what they want to believe, since we have to imagine the boat kiss we imagine it thru the lens of our individual  thoughts and feelings toward the charecter of Leonard.

I for example can see a party on the boat for whatever reason in progress, much drinking is involved. Drunk Mandy AKA Dr. Slutbunny the second comes toward drunk Leonard with her arms open, he expecting a hug opens his arms to receive the hug. She instead does what Ramona did and goes for the unexpected kiss. Drunkenly slaming their faces together so hard she chips a tooth, leonard caught off guard is stunned for a second then moves his arms from hugging position to her shoulders and pushes her away. This takes 2 to 6 seconds.

This is entirely consistent with his dialog in 8.24 

Is this cheating and if so then why isn't Sheldon also guilty?

Discuss.... 

 

 

 

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16 minutes ago, JE7 said:

 

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Good morning! I think your outline makes the most sense, however I look at it through the eyes of a Lenny and a huge, huge fan of Leonard & Penny.  Our problem is that we will never know. Unless the boat kiss is brought up in 11.01 in a comparing manner, it is likely we won't hear about it again (fine by me, btw) unless TPTB wish to use it as a catalyst for strife in the Hofstadter's marriage....

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15 minutes ago, hokie3457 said:

Good morning! I think your outline makes the most sense, however I look at it through the eyes of a Lenny and a huge, huge fan of Leonard & Penny.  Our problem is that we will never know. Unless the boat kiss is brought up in 11.01 in a comparing manner, it is likely we won't hear about it again (fine by me, btw) unless TPTB wish to use it as a catalyst for strife in the Hofstadter's marriage....

Or wish to make Sheldon look better by degrading Leonard...

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