[Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10

[Die Zimtzicke]

13 hours ago, Nogravitasatall said:

My thoughts. After all, this is show business. Not art

Even if it is art, there's still the old Latin Motto: Ars Gratia Peuniae (Art for money's sake)...
Hope I got that right. I haven't studied that kind of thing in at least 40 years.

[Jonny]

I find the lack of talk about the group scenes in particular the stairs scene kind of surprising. That was as good as a group scene from a comedy perspective that they have done in years.

I am pretty sure I remember posts complaining about a lack of a group feeling in recent times. I personally believe this was clearly evident in this episode. Sure it wasn't a game or trip but they were united as a group.

Honestly I thought that would get more praise...

Edited May 13, 2017 by Jonny

[Capt. Hilts]

The scene is universally praised.  Really good.  One of the best in years.

I'll admit to not understanding the gaming reference Sheldon makes at the door.

[Die Zimtzicke]

10 hours ago, Tensor said:

This is a common misconception, but it isn't true.   While there was no Amy and Bernie for the first three years, they were there for a year and a half, when Penny and Leonard weren't together.  And don't forget, there was also no Leonard and Penny, except occasionally, in the first two years.

But the idea of Lenny was there from the start and they had some fans watching for it, people who don't time everyone's appearances and plot lines to the millisecond. I still suspect the writers think fans got their payoff as far as Lenny goes and are thinking more about fresh fodder, that is, something new to play with. I don't see them caring that much about Lenny because for them it's been there, done that. I might be wrong. I concede that. But that is what I see happening.

4 hours ago, 3ku11 said:

Sorry this has probably been the shows worst season. Best Season still Season 6. 

Totally agree with you that the best was six but don't agree that this was the worst. I disliked 8 & 9 much worse.

Oh, and something that I think isn't getting enough attention- a great Penny/Bernie scene. I loved it when they were talking about whether or not Sheldon had become sexual. Bernie's reaction to Penny saying that was priceless. That scene is NOT getting the attention it deserves at all. That was a great scene.

Edited May 13, 2017 by Die Zimtzicke
forgot something

[legacy99]

I can't wait for the series finale where the group decides Sheldon is a god

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[Tensor]

3 hours ago, snapepans said:

OK, I've read the rules.

But I got 2 questions:

1. So he was allowed to say:"Sheldon has herpes, and Sheldon banged Ramona" based on nothing, but I was not allowed to ask him: "Why did you say these character bashing things to try to start a ship war?"

Yep. First his comment was an opinion about the show, or characters from the show.  Was there some hyperbole involved? Sure, but it was still about the show. Was your comment an opinion about the show, or was it a comment about another members opinion?  If you want to refute his comments about the show, refute those, don't try to claim the other poster has an interior motive.  If you think so, or think a post violates our rules, report it.  

3 hours ago, snapepans said:

2. You kept his post, but hid mine, based on my opinions about character bashing rules on this forum. But, in my post, I also said, we could discuss some interesting topics, instead of some pointless and redundant arguments like "one says Amy has no self-respect, the other says Penny has even low self-respect because she married Leonard anyway." And since my post got hidden, so the latecomers couldn't see what I was trying to say, is this fair?

Look, if we have time, Tripper and I will try to edit posts.  The key there is "if we have time".  We are not anyone's personal editor.  If a post doesn't follow the rules, we can, have, will edit it, if we can.  If we can't, we'll simply hide it. If someone can't follow the rules, then they should expect their posts to be hidden first, and possibly edited. Feel free to refute the comments on the show, just leave out the comments about the other poster, or what you think about their posts. 

I'll point out your post here, again, comments about other posters post by calling a discussion topic "pointless and redundant".  This is one of the reasons we don't allow comments about other posters. You'll notice how quickly that escalated.  While you may think the discussion, "pointless and redundant"  others obviously want to discuss it, or they would simply drop it. If you think a discussion is " pointless and redundant" there is no requirement that you participate.  Let the others that want to discuss it, discuss it. 

If you wish to continue this discussion, please either send a PM or post in "The Site" area of the forum. 

[3ku11]

57 minutes ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

But the idea of Lenny was there from the start and they had some fans watching for it, people who don't time everyone's appearances and plot lines to the millisecond. I still suspect the writers think fans got their payoff as far as Lenny goes and are thinking more about fresh fodder, that is, something new to play with. I don't see them caring that much about Lenny because for them it's been there, done that. I might be wrong. I concede that. But that is what I see happening.

Totally agree with you that the best was six but don't agree that this was the worst. I disliked 8 & 9 much worse.

Oh, and something that I think isn't getting enough attention- a great Penny/Bernie scene. I loved it when they were talking about whether or not Sheldon had become sexual. Bernie's reaction to Penny saying that was priceless. That scene is NOT getting the attention it deserves at all. That was a great scene.

I prefered Season 9 to Ten. Ten had some good episodes. But overall I felt the writing was a bit of a trainwreck. The Finalie was Good. From a Grip perspective. Hope to see more group scenes in Season 11. Episodes like Scavanger Hunt Vortex would be good. However I suspect the early tone well be Shamy Centric. 

[Chrismo]

1 hour ago, Jonny said:

I find the lack of talk about the group scenes in particular the stairs scene kind of surprising. That was as good as a group scene from a comedy perspective that they have done in years.

I am pretty sure I remember posts complaining about a lack of a group feeling in recent times. I personally believe this was clearly evident in this episode. Sure it wasn't a game or trip but they were united as a group.

Honestly I thought that would get more praise...

But the groups scenes like generally everything else on the show related to Sheldon.

Edited May 13, 2017 by Chrismo

[bfm]

1 hour ago, Jonny said:

I find the lack of talk about the group scenes in particular the stairs scene kind of surprising. That was as good as a group scene from a comedy perspective that they have done in years.

I am pretty sure I remember posts complaining about a lack of a group feeling in recent times. I personally believe this was clearly evident in this episode. Sure it wasn't a game or trip but they were united as a group.

Honestly I thought that would get more praise...

Actually I think many here praised it. The thing is it is not controversial so it didn't become a long discussion going over pages. Personally I enjoyed the group dynamics in the episode very much. 

[djsurrey]

7 hours ago, 3ku11 said:

Okay lol. I am happy for you. Personally I thought it was one of the most predictable cliffhangers I have seen on TV. I mean cliffhanger generally means to me. The resolution of the finalie, could go either way. i don't see two outcomes here. I only see one Amy says yes. And that is fine. But it is pretty lame. 

Does it even mater if it is a cliffhanger or just a hook to the season opener? I think it is the best hook to the next season that we have seen on TBBT. It has a chance of a nice meaningful resolution.

Edited May 13, 2017 by djsurrey

[Chrismo]

5 minutes ago, djsurrey said:

Does it ever mater if it is a cliffhanger or just a hook to the season opener? I think it is the best hook to the next season that we have seen on TBBT. It has a chance of a nice meaningful resolution.

It's only meaningful if Amy shoots Sheldon down for the obvious reasons. If she says yes it just shows her as a doormat.

[legacy99]

The think that surprised me about s10 was that Sheldon didn't give advice to howerdette on how to raise the baby

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[djsurrey]

2 hours ago, Capt. Hilts said:

I'll admit to not understanding the gaming reference Sheldon makes at the door.

Mario Kart is a racing in which cartoonish characters jostle for the lead position. There are many venues in which the game takes place and some even have stair cases (actually more like moving escalators). I found it humorous because one might have expected Sheldon to be angry that his guest was being ill treated. Instead Sheldon was clueless and childish and assumed his friends were playing a game rather than separating Ramona from him. The writers are painting Sheldon as innocent.

41 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

It's only meaningful if Amy shoots Sheldon down for the obvious reasons. If she says yes it just shows her as a doormat.

In this case by meaningful I mean their status has the potential to change. When sheldon went on his train adventure there seemed no lasting effect.

Even 4.24 was just swept under the rug. Here there may be a lasting effect!

Edited May 13, 2017 by djsurrey

[Chrismo]

5 hours ago, snapepans said:

OK, I've read the rules.

But I got 2 questions:

1. So he was allowed to say:"Sheldon has herpes, and Sheldon banged Ramona" based on nothing, but I was not allowed to ask him: "Why did you say these character bashing things to try to start a ship war?"

 

 

I think his quote was based on all the crap Amy has had to go through with Sheldon. Obviously it wasn't based on anything in regards to the actual show but his feeling how Amy puts up with everything that he does wrong. Someone earlier asked why did Penny still marry Leonard after what happened with Mandy. JMO but I think Penny realized all the things she had done wrong in her relationship with Leonard. Without Leonard's effort there would be no Lenny. Thus she forgave him.I can't say the same in regards to Penny's effort. The same holds true with Shamy. If it wasn't for Amy's effort there would  be no Shamy. Again I can't say the same in regards for Sheldon's effort. In regards to this episode Sheldon did some things wrong intended or unintended. What does Amy know? She knows Sheldon was hanging with Ramona. Leonard was trying to get warn Amy what was going on. Then all of a sudden he shows up at her door at Princeton. What does she think now? If Sheldon tells her about the kiss what will she think?  just me but I don't think Sheldon deserves the benefit of the doubt as Leonard did. And that why I think the original poster meant with that post. If she says yes there is no reprocussions to what happened.

15 minutes ago, djsurrey said:

 

In this case by meaningful I mean their status has the potential to change. When sheldon went on his train adventure there seemed no lasting effect.

Even 4.24 was just swept under the rug. Here there may be a lasting effect!

Again JMO that's true if she says no. If she says yes there is no lasting effect. There already living together. No different than when the gang found that Lenny was engaged. In that case they were more excited about Raj and Emily.

[djsurrey]

53 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

If Sheldon tells her about the kiss what will she think?

She will think Ramona is a Bitch.

Sure Sheldon could say something really stupid and it could take half of season 11 to fix a big misunderstanding or Sheldon could surprise us all and say something meaningful and heartfelt and Ramona becomes absolutely irrelevant as she has been since season two. Nothing more than the Popsicle Twin from the Spongebob movie. 

Edited May 13, 2017 by djsurrey

[JE7]

Will Ramona be around for 11.01?

Or will she just dusappear as with no explanation?

[legacy99]

I think she will be back to explain to amy it was all her fault and say how lucky amy is to have such a wonderful and devoted boyfriend

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[Swedish Chef]

2 hours ago, 3ku11 said:

I prefered Season 9 to Ten. Ten had some good episodes. But overall I felt the writing was a bit of a trainwreck. The Finalie was Good. From a Grip perspective. Hope to see more group scenes in Season 11. Episodes like Scavanger Hunt Vortex would be good. However I suspect the early tone well be Shamy Centric. 

I'm guessing that the Shamy wedding planning will be extensive in season 11. 

[Jonny]

1 minute ago, JE7 said:

Will Ramona be around for 11.01?

Or will she just dusappear as with no explanation?

My guess is that she will have conveniently finished her work at Caltech or gone to another university. I'm expecting an immediate resolution to the 10.24 cliffhanger and then perhaps a time jump.

[djsurrey]

4 minutes ago, JE7 said:

Will Ramona be around for 11.01?

Or will she just dusappear as with no explanation?

What explanation? The kiss was Ramona's issue. Why stick around after Sheldon walks out? After the first hour she would know he was really gone.

[spidergirl]

7 minutes ago, JE7 said:

Will Ramona be around for 11.01?

Or will she just dusappear as with no explanation?

Well, it migh be an explanation for the conclusion of her work at Caltech as @Jonny said. If she disappear with no explanation, well it would not be first time in this show, lol! Do we know what happened to Isabella who dated Raj, for example?Honestly I care more about for the  ususal 7 characters of the show. And also for Stuart and cinnamon!

[bfm]

11 minutes ago, Jonny said:

My guess is that she will have conveniently finished her work at Caltech or gone to another university. I'm expecting an immediate resolution to the 10.24 cliffhanger and then perhaps a time jump.

Yeah I think you're right. First, I think they will show Amy's response because Molaro said not showing it would make fans feel betrayed if they didn't. I think they will have a time jump because I don't think they will write numerous episodes with Amy away. I it won't happen in 11X01 then probably 11X02. I so hope to find some happy surprises after the jump, like maybe Penny having a new job or Howard as a "househusband" after taking some months off after the gyroscope project was taken away from them.

Edited May 13, 2017 by bfm

[Chrismo]

It seems to me Ramona in reality is a better match than Amy and she is in the same field. The only advantage Amy had is the gang knows her.

[Jonny]

2 minutes ago, bfm said:

Yeah I think you're right. First, I think they will show Amy's response because Molaro said not showing it would make fans feel betrayed if they didn't. I think they will have a time jump because I don't think they will write numerous episodes with Amy away. I it won't happen in 11X01 then probably 11X02. I so hope to find some happy surprises after the jump, like maybe Penny having a new job.

I wouldn't actually mind seeing some Amy Skype scenes at Princeton with some indication of her how work is going for a couple of episodes. Have Sheldon pottering in the background getting ready for his fiancee to return and give hopefully Lenny and Raj something interesting to start the season off.

[Swedish Chef]

7 minutes ago, bfm said:

Yeah I think you're right. First, I think they will show Amy's response because Molaro said not showing it would make fans feel betrayed if they didn't. I think they will have a time jump because I don't think they will write numerous episodes with Amy away. I it won't happen in 11X01 then probably 11X02. I so hope to find some happy surprises after the jump, like maybe Penny having a new job or Howard as a "househusband" after taking some months off after the gyroscope project was taken away from them.

I wouldn't be surprised if Penny in season 11 all of a sudden has a new job with no explanation what so ever. That's how the writers write Lenny.