[Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10

[Carlos]

7 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

1) They made an agreement with the actors and they will uphold it. They have to. In the meantime, the actors are making a ton of money hanging out with people they like, doing very little work. I wish that could happen to me.

2) I don't know. I haven't seen it.

3) She would certainly I assume have been happy to get sex from him at that point, but was not insisting on it. She just wanted attention, and the physical contact was a bonus as I saw it. Vicks Vapo Rub is not sexy. It's just not.

4) It's not my definition. It's what I've seen the writers run with. Penny's sexual history has been a running gag on the part of the writers many times on this show and so has the fact that she's not that smart.  I think they have let it go somewhat to play up the "Leonard wore her down angle" but I still think they believe it. Pop Culture does not necessarily make you a smart person.

1) Of course, I agree with you. But people in Johnny's or Kaley's position might think differently. Having reached a point in their acting career where they have actually achieved something , I think that besides the money they would also like for their roles to be rewarding artistically. That being said who can say no to 24 million per season? Not very many people, and the fact of the matter is they didn't.

2) I think the point he was trying to make (using the Bridget Jones reference) is that the romantic heroine can be flawed.

3) In normal circumstances I would agree. I will say, however, that in this case , and that episode, for Amy both the Vicks rubbing and the spanking were sexual for her. The Vicks because Sheldon was rubbing her chest, and the spanking... well... because all the sexual connotations of spanking.

4) But the beginning is the beginning. It is not a personal definition. You can call the beginning S1, maybe a part of S2 but not further than that. Besides, I believe the problem is that writers want to hammer an idea home, like Penny's sexual history and her dumbness, but then introduce lots of examples in canon where they contradict themselves (I believe Tensor was referring to those). I know, it would be much easier to ascertain one way or the other if they paid any attention to continuity.

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[Die Zimtzicke]

1 hour ago, Carlos said:

But the beginning is the beginning. It is not a personal definition. You can call the beginning S1, maybe a part of S2 but not further than that. Besides, I believe the problem is that writers want to hammer an idea home, like Penny's sexual history and her dumbness, but then introduce lots of examples in canon where they contradict themselves (I believe Tensor was referring to those). I know, it would be much easier to ascertain one way or the other if they paid any attention to continuity.

I'll have to go pull out my DVD but I can't right now because I'm leaving to get a crown on my tooth. But I totally agree with you about continuity. I'm not trying to argue with anyone or insult anyone but as I used to say often, these writers are like Christopher Columbus to me. He didn't know where he was going, when he got there he didn't know where he was and when he got back he didn't know where he'd been and they seem to be the same way.

Separate issue because it happened much later...Does anyone else find it strange that when Sheldon was talking about how many men he saw entering Penny's apartment and leaving in the morning or the number of time she came home wearing the same clothes as the night before, that he did NOT contradict him and say that never happened? The problem for me with a lot of things that become plot points on this show are things that are not seen.

As for Sheldon at the beginning, which I didn't get a chance to answer before, I didn't see him having a relationship later immediately, but I didn't think he'd be able to go on exactly the same for however many years the show went on.

[Carlos]

24 minutes ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

I'll have to go pull out my DVD but I can't right now because I'm leaving to get a crown on my tooth. But I totally agree with you about continuity. I'm not trying to argue with anyone or insult anyone but as I used to say often, these writers are like Christopher Columbus to me. He didn't know where he was going, when he got there he didn't know where he was and when he got back he didn't know where he'd been and they seem to be the same way.

Separate issue because it happened much later...Does anyone else find it strange that when Sheldon was talking about how many men he saw entering Penny's apartment and leaving in the morning or the number of time she came home wearing the same clothes as the night before, that he did NOT contradict him and say that never happened? The problem for me with a lot of things that become plot points on this show are things that are not seen.

As for Sheldon at the beginning, which I didn't get a chance to answer before, I didn't see him having a relationship later immediately, but I didn't think he'd be able to go on exactly the same for however many years the show went on.

Thank you! The part of your post I bolded is just a perfect way to describe the writers!

[Swedish Chef]

14 hours ago, 3ku11 said:

Other then the Christmas Tree Sequence. Which imo was funniest scene of the season. Lenny diddn't do much. Two episodes they did have centred around them were weak at best. 

Over here the Season Finalie 10x24 airs here tonight. So us Kiwis ahead of you aussies their :D. 

I agree with you that the Christmas tree plot was Lenny funniest scene of the whole season, other than that not much was going on with our Lenny and those other few plots they had was very poorly written. 

[hokie3457]

2 minutes ago, Lagernisse said:

I agree with you that the Christmas tree plot was Lenny funniest scene of the whole season, other than that not much was going on with our Lenny and those other few plots they had was very poorly written. 

And what did it contain?  A fight/argument......

[Swedish Chef]

2 minutes ago, hokie3457 said:

And what did it contain?  A fight/argument......

Yes, Wasn't that Lenny season 10. 

[Jonny]

14 minutes ago, hokie3457 said:

And what did it contain?  A fight/argument......

As did Veracity Elasticity (my favorite Lenny episode of the season for its playfulness and comedy).

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[Tensor]

As did "The Romance Recalibration", as did "The Emotion Detection Automation".  Fights, fights and more fights, for Leonard and Penny.  It was soooooooo, much fun.  The comedy didn't make up for it, as the fighting killed the comedy for me.  

 

[joyceraye]

5 hours ago, Chrismo said:

Being smart academically doesn't make you smart either.

Which Sheldon pointed out to Penny. She's not academically inclined, but has the kind of intelligence he sometimes wishes he had. He still wanders into traffic.

[Mario D.]

5 hours ago, Tensor said:

 

 

 

 

You said, "In the beginning".   All I was asking is for your definition of "in the begininning". 

 

 

I didn't disagree with you about this.  However, I asked about the timing.  I don't remember them pushing Penny' sexual activity until season four, you said "in the beginning.  All I was asking was what you considered in the beginning and examples during that time.   And again, it wasn't that she wasn't smart, as much as she didn't understand the physics. My wife is very much like Penny in this.  She never got the Physics or technical aspects of my job, i would never make the mistake of thinking she's not smart. 

Also, what about her sexual history makes her activity skanky?  What exactly is the definition of skanky? 

 

 

Neither does a college degree or even multiple degrees make someone a smart person.  

ETA  Chrismo beat me to this. 

I also feel that the writers have beaten this horse to death on Pennys sexual history and promiscuity.  And also Sheldon's barbs about all the men she has been with. Think they should just drop this dialogue altogether, especially now that she is married. Leonard should stand up for his wife when Sheldon makes these comments.

[3ku11]

Well i think it was 10.04 Sheldon out right called Penny a slut. And Leonard just stood their and took it lol. Seems to me some justify it because it is cannon or whatever. But its not anymore. That Dialogue is so out of date and passe. I remember they used to make Penny say I have a promiscious past jokes. Till they dropped them. So maybe the show well grasp that the audience are not responding positively and drop them. Sheldon gets away with murder though every single time. 

[djsurrey]

11 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

But I totally agree with you about continuity. I'm not trying to argue with anyone or insult anyone but as I used to say often, these writers are like Christopher Columbus to me. He didn't know where he was going, when he got there he didn't know where he was and when he got back he didn't know where he'd been and they seem to be the same way.

Perhaps, but what they do seem to know is how to make people laugh and wanta watch TBBT. I think if they viewed continuity as important they would be more careful about it. They are competent in what they are doing or most of us would not be here.

[3ku11]

6 minutes ago, djsurrey said:

Perhaps, but what they do seem to know is how to make people laugh and wanta watch TBBT. I think if they viewed continuity as important they would be more careful about it. They are competent in what they are doing or most of us would not be here.

Well as writers if they don't consider continuity important. Well they are not doing their jobs properly tbh. If it is just about comedy. Why bother developing the characters? Why bother evolving Sheldon into "He turns into a real boy" Narrative. I mean why not just have the guys sit their playing video games? To be quite honest that would be a refreshing change of pace lol. Seems to me continuity is important 

[djsurrey]

1 minute ago, 3ku11 said:

Well as writers if they don't consider continuity important. Well they are not doing their jobs properly tbh. If it is just about comedy. Why bother developing the characters? Why bother evolving Sheldon into "He turns into a real boy" Narrative. I mean why not just have the guys sit their playing video games? To be quite honest that would be a refreshing change of pace lol. Seems to me continuity is important 

What they did worked. More people tuned into their sitcom than any other in the last few years.. We all know there are inconsistencies but that is not atypical on TV.  There is no prize for the most consistent story. Ultimately they want people watching and entertained so they will come back for more. 

[Carlos]

10 hours ago, djsurrey said:

Perhaps, but what they do seem to know is how to make people laugh and wanta watch TBBT. I think if they viewed continuity as important they would be more careful about it. They are competent in what they are doing or most of us would not be here.

Continuity becomes important when there are many seasons. After all, you're  telling a story. I understand if they don't follow up on a story just used for laughs, like "The Table Polarization", but not when it involves character assassination. It undermines our suspension of disbelief.

The writers were competent. I don't think they longer are. I'm here because I love the characters, and TBH, lately, because I like the people here (well... most of them anyway) and I like the exchange of ideas and opinions. I prefer being here than watching the show nowadays.

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[JE7]

8 hours ago, joyceraye said:

Which Sheldon pointed out to Penny. She's not academically inclined, but has the kind of intelligence he sometimes wishes he had. He still wanders into traffic.

And the gang keeps stopping him...

To paraphrase Zack "are we sure any of them are smart"

[legacy99]

I've even stopped watching the early seasons reruns because i know what has happen to the characters and the show

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[No Regrets]

1 minute ago, legacy99 said:

I've even stopped watching the early seasons reruns because i know what has happen to the characters and the show
 

Same. 

[bfm]

"The Middle"'s writers should give them a seminar on continuity. These writers sometimes pick up stuff that viewers forget, it is awesome when that happens, I'm like "oh right!!! They still have to repaint that ridiculous cow statue!" and than I crack up also remembering what lead to that. These writers also care so much about their chatacters, they do character development but in a very organic way. It is a pleasure to see that and a pity that TBBT writers are not this way.

[3ku11]

I still watch the early years. Why woulden't I? It has nothing to do with the current rubbish the show put out. TBBT has always felt like 3D comic book characters. Unlike other comedies, alot of it does not feel in real life. It feels like a Dream Sequence at times. Obviousley creatively speaking TBBT hasen't been good since Season 6. Last good episode imo was Scavenger Hunt Vortex. Since then phoning it in. Tone is very Shamy right now. But it is like with Taahm. I diddn't think the show went to the crapper. Because of Waldan. But because the writing declined. 

[djsurrey]

33 minutes ago, bfm said:

"The Middle"'s writers should give them a seminar on continuity. These writers sometimes pick up stuff that viewers forget, it is awesome when that happens, I'm like "oh right!!! They still have to repaint that ridiculous cow statue!" and than I crack up also remembering what lead to that. These writers also care so much about their chatacters, they do character development but in a very organic way. It is a pleasure to see that and a pity that TBBT writers are not this way.

I like The Middle and it is the other sitcom I watch. The fan base is smaller than TBBT which means it appeals to fewer viewers. Doubt the TBBT are going to sacrifice what they focus on to ensure better continuity. They are winning doing it their way.

[Zhalen565]

3 hours ago, legacy99 said:

I've even stopped watching the early seasons reruns because i know what has happen to the characters and the show

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Snap! Now it's anything other than!

Actually, I'm presently parked up waiting for customer to arrive, instead of TBBT on my IPad, a certainty previously, I'm rewatching Babylon 5 from the beginning.

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[April]

1 hour ago, Zhalen565 said:

I'm rewatching Babylon 5 from the beginning.

I love B5 - it's been ages since my last rewatch.

[Jonny]

7 hours ago, djsurrey said:

What they did worked. More people tuned into their sitcom than any other in the last few years.. We all know there are inconsistencies but that is not atypical on TV.  There is no prize for the most consistent story. Ultimately they want people watching and entertained so they will come back for more. 

Continuity is something that bugs us more invested some might say obsessed fans more. But for the casual viewer or the ones who have been watching for years but are less invested or obsessed with all the detail I don't think they care that much.

I wouldn't say it's one of my major bugbear's though there are times when it can annoy me. Like for example Sheldon said he has to this day never touched Stuart and yet in the brunch episode earlier in the season he did iirc more than once.

Perhaps there is more excuse for a continuity error if you are going back years with the changes in writers over those years, but with something already established and then an error in the same season?  I don't get that.

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[Chrismo]

5 hours ago, djsurrey said:

I like The Middle and it is the other sitcom I watch. The fan base is smaller than TBBT which means it appeals to fewer viewers. Doubt the TBBT are going to sacrifice what they focus on to ensure better continuity. They are winning doing it their way.

The fan base of TBBT was made by TBS not the writers. If not for TBS we wouldn't talking about the show period.