[Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10

[camelliayao]

8 minutes ago, April said:

Okay, @nerdforestgirl answered some questions on tumblr and this might help:

 

Thanks! I must have missed it when I last checked tumblr. Well you can tell it was me who asked the question.

In that case I have no problem with this episode at all (I'm even fine with the S/P part, which is pretty rare for me lol) and I actually think these's a great possibility that all of this drama will lead to coitus, like you said. So finger crossed the episode will play out as @nerdforestgirl describes and coitus will happen soon.

[wowbagger]

5 hours ago, 3ku11 said:

I think the ratings are solid enough. TPTB seem lazy lazy lazy. Ah like ehh, just have Raj say he is now single.

Moloro: What you mean were not even going to attempt to explain why he is single?

Lorre: Yes he hit on Penny. Then asked Penny and Bernadtte, if they wanted to have a four way with Claire and Emily...

Moloro: *Flips Tables*

 

Prady: Boys Boys, just have him in the hot tub, with Howard, drop it their

Lorre and Moloro: Genius!

We should all of us write Writers' Room Fanfics. I totally now have this vision of Lorre, like, watching football and belching and scratching his belly while Molaro is bustling about fussily, all 'AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO CARES ABOUT MAINTAINING THIS RELATIONSHIP?'

[jlove]

42 minutes ago, wowbagger said:

We should all of us write Writers' Room Fanfics. I totally now have this vision of Lorre, like, watching football and belching and scratching his belly while Molaro is bustling about fussily, all 'AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO CARES ABOUT MAINTAINING THIS RELATIONSHIP?'

I would read the HELL out of that.  Get on it, wowbagger!  :-)

[mjc45]

wow, would have love to see both emily, and claire

give it to raj. did anyone catch him when he was talking

to howard about the AF guy. he would take bernie if he 

was not found, that smile i am going to bang her hard.

he is the third wheel in the birth, need a new plot for him.

[wowbagger]

9 hours ago, Lionne said:

Shamy and the neverending psychodrama of preteen sexual angst. I'm so over it. Just screw each other already and get on with it, and stop all this shirt rending and pearl clutching over sharing a bed and longing looks over your hot, wet, naked and vulnerable post-shower condition and just get it on like rabid weasels in heat. 

I loathe unnecessary angst like this. On the flip side, bet I know what's coming for Nov sweeps. 

Bow-chicka-bow-wow.

Bow, indeed, chicka-bow-wow. I don't have an issue, in principle, with sexual tension and longing looks etc. But it does come down to timing once again, I suspect. Were this to have happened two seasons ago - or even after the blanket fort sleepover - I would be watching with unalloyed glee. As it is, there is an element of 'This? Now? Again?'. Not that sexual tension per se has been a big element of the Shamy, but some subset of the writers is, I think, fascinated with the 'Shamy-as-delayed-adolescents' aspect of their relationship. And if that is the case, I will take 'geniuses try to figure out the complicated animal that is human desire' over 'geniuses cannot use their goddamn words and clarify what they expect in their relationship'. Especially- in fact, exclusively- if the longing looks and bewitched, bothered and bewildered-ness are played for comedy rather than chest-beating angst.

As to Sheldon's cheating father: Oy gevalt. I have gone on the record as saying that Sheldon's random bits of tragic backstory leave me profoundly unmoved. I may be a monster, but I cannot listen to his stories of why he hates Christmas or his freshly-minted Primal Moment without cackling. Listen, Sheldon is my favourite, and I have tonnes of sympathy for him. But I do not think, and have never thought, that his lack of interest in romance or sex (prior to Amy) were so pathological, or even so interesting, as to warrant all this fevered pop-psychologising. I don't think he needs sympathy for these things. I think that he deserves to have his right to those sentiments respected - a very different thing, which he usually doesn't receive.

And this 'I am afwaid of intimacy because Ma Paw done run around on my Maw' is just eye-wateringly pedestrian, in my view. And, more to the point, narratively unnecessary. I am already on board that cohabitation is a big deal to a man (or woman, as Amy showed) of settled habits, and the show has already drummed it into me that Sheldon is afraid that he isn't good enough, or simply enough, for Amy. There was no need to park Jim Parsons in front of my screen, turn the bigness and blueness of his eyes to eleven (I assume) and tell me that he is afraid of The Monster Within.

Edited September 21, 2016 by wowbagger

[vonmar]

From TBBT You Tube Channel...

 

[Jonny]

Sheldon and Leonard using the retinal scanner looks hilarious. Howard freaking out is just pure gold usually when it happens, Simon just nails it.

Looking at the brief preview and going back to the TR it does look like a fun episode. 

[luminous]

From Kaley's Instagram (Instagram stories):

...and something from Alex:

 

Edited September 21, 2016 by luminous

[ShamyBabboos]

You know, Im actually pretty happy abou the recent spoilers! Usually I loathe anything Shenny, but the fact that Sheldon admits that he was just saying such a terrible thing (about dating other women) is because he was preparing her JUST IN CASE he turns out like his deadbeat asshole father. He's fearful that'll happen and, in a way, was sabotaging himself basically. He definitely makes it clear that he loves Amy because he went back to her and apologized and compromised with the toothbrush holder (which im sure he would have never done with Leonard or Penny). 

I will admit I was nervous when he said the dating other women thing, but how Sheldon explained, it made sense. His father did a number on his psyche: cheating on Mary and thus making Sheldon implement the three knocks rule and the fact that he implied that he doesn't WANT to be like him. 

My only qualm is that I wish he spoken and explained that to Amy personally ON CAMERA. Im sure they discussed it again once they were alone in an off-camera scene... but I'm a slut for Sheldon and Amy talking to each other to put each others' minds at ease.  I want them to talk in bed,not even after-sex talk, but just talking in bed and turning to face each other.

Im not sure if I made sense... just woke up, but hey, I tried!

Edited September 21, 2016 by ShamyBabboos
Spelling errors oops

[ronguell]

The casting of Penny's mom and brother is terrible! This goof and prison/meth? He is better suited as one of the Little Rascals with his jokey smile. Terrible! Penny's mom is too young to be partnered with the excellent actor already established as her dad. Terrible! Such a let down! No show is bullet proof. Advice going forward: Drop those two characters into a black hole.

[vonmar]

 

[DoctorWhat]

Almost irrelevant but I am really surprised that so many of you dislike S/P scenes in general.I wonder why...They are some of my favourites and although I used to ship them at the series start,now I like them in a frienship context.

[legacy99]

We've had penny with commitment issues and now we get sheldon with commitment issues I've always liked a new story line

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[Tensor]

 

35 minutes ago, ronguell said:

Penny's mom is too young to be partnered with the excellent actor already established as her dad. 

Katey Segal is only four years younger than Keith Carradine.  She is a year older than I am, and both my daughters are now as old as or older than Kaley. So, while you are free to not like the character, to proclaim she is too young isn't accurate.  

[Judith]

15 minutes ago, DoctorWhat said:

Almost irrelevant but I am really surprised that so many of you dislike S/P scenes in general.I wonder why...They are some of my favourites and although I used to ship them at the series start,now I like them in a frienship context.

It basically boils down to Penny is a Woman™ so Sheldon isn't allowed to be friends with her.

[ShamyBabboos]

9 minutes ago, Tensor said:

 

Katey Segal is only four years younger than Keith Carradine.  She is a year older than I am, and both my daughters are now as old as or older than Kaley. So, while you are free to not like the character, to proclaim she is too young isn't accurate.  

My mom's 55 and my dad (now passed due to alcoholism) would have been 70 next year.. 15 year difference. I'm 22 and my fiance is 30. Some couples have kids late and some couples have big age differences. Not uncommon.

Edited September 21, 2016 by ShamyBabboos

[serena_1995]

32 minutes ago, DoctorWhat said:

Almost irrelevant but I am really surprised that so many of you dislike S/P scenes in general.I wonder why...They are some of my favourites and although I used to ship them at the series start,now I like them in a frienship context.

Not in my case . i have always loved Sheldon and Penny. They used to make me laugh so much ! Still love their platonic bond. Friendship is friendship, doesn't matter if it is with someone of the opposite sex or not.  Infact, i think we should have more platonic guy - girl friendships on the show - Leonard and Amy certainly have some bonding potential !

Edited September 21, 2016 by serena_1995

[A.D.A.]

3 hours ago, wowbagger said:

Bow, indeed, chicka-bow-wow. I don't have an issue, in principle, with sexual tension and longing looks etc. But it does come down to timing once again, I suspect. Were this to have happened two seasons ago - or even after the blanket fort sleepover - I would be watching with unalloyed glee. As it is, there is an element of 'This? Now? Again?'. Not that sexual tension per se has been a big element of the Shamy, but some subset of the writers is, I think, fascinated with the 'Shamy-as-delayed-adolescents' aspect of their relationship. And if that is the case, I will take 'geniuses try to figure out the complicated animal that is human desire' over 'geniuses cannot use their goddamn words and clarify what they expect in their relationship'. Especially- in fact, exclusively- if the longing looks and bewitched, bothered and bewildered-ness are played for comedy rather than chest-beating angst.

As to Sheldon's cheating father: Oy gevalt. I have gone on the record as saying that Sheldon's random bits of tragic backstory leave me profoundly unmoved. I may be a monster, but I cannot listen to his stories of why he hates Christmas or his freshly-minted Primal Moment without cackling. Listen, Sheldon is my favourite, and I have tonnes of sympathy for him. But I do not think, and have never thought, that his lack of interest in romance or sex (prior to Amy) were so pathological, or even so interesting, as to warrant all this fevered pop-psychologising. I don't think he needs sympathy for these things. I think that he deserves to have his right to those sentiments respected - a very different thing, which he usually doesn't receive.

And this 'I am afwaid of intimacy because Ma Paw done run around on my Maw' is just eye-wateringly pedestrian, in my view. And, more to the point, narratively unnecessary. I am already on board that cohabitation is a big deal to a man (or woman, as Amy showed) of settled habits, and the show has already drummed it into me that Sheldon is afraid that he isn't good enough, or simply enough, for Amy. There was no need to park Jim Parsons in front of my screen, turn the bigness and blueness of his eyes to eleven (I assume) and tell me that he is afraid of The Monster Within.

Couldn't quote this enough. Additionally, I really dislike how every single one of Sheldon's quirks needs some sort of sob story attached to it now. I find it hard to find him funny when all his running gags are apparently just manifestations of his deeply troubled childhood which I am presented with in heartfelt Emotional Moment scenes. So... am I supposed to feel sorry for him now everytime he knocks on a door? Because presenting it as a Serious Issue tells me that I should; but I know that's not what next week's writers will want when they construct a joke around the knocking ritual. But then again, Penny is taking medication now, and we never heard of that again, either.

TBBT used to be fairly good at wandering the line of staying funny and still garnering sympathy for the characters; Leonard's childhood seemed genuinely abusive in the first seasons, but it was still funny in kind of a horrible way because they played it for laughs with his dry jokes about it. Much like Penny's stories about her meth-cooking brother, it was dark-ish humor, but it was clearly meant to get laughs.

I think maybe dramedy just isn't for me. My suspension of disbelief cannot cope with the dissonance that I'm supposed to laugh at the very things that are explicitly presented as Dramatic and Serious in other episodes (and no, I haven't seen this one yet, but they've done this with Sheldon like 12 times now). /rant

Edited September 21, 2016 by A.D.A.

[ShamyBabboos]

9 minutes ago, serena_1995 said:

Not in my case . i have always liked Sheldon and Penny. They used to make me laugh so much. Still love their platonic bond. Friendship is friendship, doesn't matter if it is with someone of the opposite sex or not.  Infact, i think we should have more platonic guy - girl friendships on the show - Leonard and Amy certainly have some bonding potential !

Its weird for me (not S/P scenes, but me... myself... I'm weird), I love Penny. I love Sheldon. Together? Eh, not my favorite thing. Sheldon and Bernie? Love those scenes. Leonard and Amy? Love. Howard and Amy? Love. And so on. I think its because S/P scenes are common enough where I'm just like "Oh ok... moving on". I'd rather see Amy and Sheldon discuss these things together as a couple should, rather than Penny be a step in moderator, I guess. (not that she always is, but a good portion of times, she is). Like his birthday for example, that would've been a great Shamy scene. Or even in this instance, I love when Sheldon and Amy resolve fights together alone (like in Mars episode)

 

I supposed "loathe" in my previous post was too strong of word... let me rephrase to, I'm indifferent this time around. It happened, time to move on, ya know? That's my brain.

Edited September 21, 2016 by ShamyBabboos

[camelliayao]

2 hours ago, wowbagger said:

Bow, indeed, chicka-bow-wow. I don't have an issue, in principle, with sexual tension and longing looks etc. But it does come down to timing once again, I suspect. Were this to have happened two seasons ago - or even after the blanket fort sleepover - I would be watching with unalloyed glee. As it is, there is an element of 'This? Now? Again?'. Not that sexual tension per se has been a big element of the Shamy, but some subset of the writers is, I think, fascinated with the 'Shamy-as-delayed-adolescents' aspect of their relationship. And if that is the case, I will take 'geniuses try to figure out the complicated animal that is human desire' over 'geniuses cannot use their goddamn words and clarify what they expect in their relationship'. Especially- in fact, exclusively- if the longing looks and bewitched, bothered and bewildered-ness are played for comedy rather than chest-beating angst.

As to Sheldon's cheating father: Oy gevalt. I have gone on the record as saying that Sheldon's random bits of tragic backstory leave me profoundly unmoved. I may be a monster, but I cannot listen to his stories of why he hates Christmas or his freshly-minted Primal Moment without cackling. Listen, Sheldon is my favourite, and I have tonnes of sympathy for him. But I do not think, and have never thought, that his lack of interest in romance or sex (prior to Amy) were so pathological, or even so interesting, as to warrant all this fevered pop-psychologising. I don't think he needs sympathy for these things. I think that he deserves to have his right to those sentiments respected - a very different thing, which he usually doesn't receive.

And this 'I am afwaid of intimacy because Ma Paw done run around on my Maw' is just eye-wateringly pedestrian, in my view. And, more to the point, narratively unnecessary. I am already on board that cohabitation is a big deal to a man (or woman, as Amy showed) of settled habits, and the show has already drummed it into me that Sheldon is afraid that he isn't good enough, or simply enough, for Amy. There was no need to park Jim Parsons in front of my screen, turn the bigness and blueness of his eyes to eleven (I assume) and tell me that he is afraid of The Monster Within.

Totally agree. After Opening Night, I tried to imagine how the writers were going to deal with coitus. I came up with several situations like maybe Shamy try to "seduce" each other because they both want to do it again but don't know how to ask. Of course they seduce in their own, unique,quirky ways. Like maybe they google "how to be sexy for your partners". And because they both have zero experience, neither of them understands the other person's intention. They both fail several times until in the end they figure out all they need to do is ask. That could be both funny and sweet, IMO.

On the other hand, I think maybe the writers sorta have to add the angst/drama and Sheldon's childhood story to make up for the fact that they've dragged the coitus thing for tooooooooooo long to be normal. Subconsciously Sheldon was suppressing his desire to avoid turning into his dad. That plus he had just been sexually awoken, might be able to explain why he acted like he had no desire at all for the last few months. 

I just hope this time, the writers make it clear that Shamy desire each other and just get the thing over with. No more does he or doesn't he, no more indifferent Sheldon, no more sexually frustrated Amy. I seriously cannot go over all of this AGAIN!

[wowbagger]

1 minute ago, serena_1995 said:

Not in my case . i have always liked Sheldon and Penny. They used to make me laugh so much. Still love their platonic bond. Friendship is friendship, doesn't matter if it is with someone of the opposite sex or not.  Infact, i think we should have more platonic guy - girl friendships on the show - Leonard and Amy certainly have some bonding potential !

My favourite Amy is Sheldonesque Amy (hat-tip to @koops), and Amy is never more Sheldonesque than when she is with Leonard. 

As to Sheldon and Penny: I was a massive fan of their friendship when they were spiky and affectionate-but-antagonistic. I could even understand why people shipped them back then (though I wasn't one of them). Theirs is, as I think I've said elsewhere, the show's true bromance, Shelnard or Rajowitz be damned. Nowadays, their relationship is just sort of...toothless. I seldom get that 'opposites clash, but see merit in each other's point of view' energy off them. And, as if in response, the writers have stepped up their exhortations of what a Magical Speshul Bond they have. The more time they spend telling me that Shenny Are Amazing, Okay, the less time they seem to spend showing what makes then so. A pity.

[hokie3457]

13 hours ago, 3ku11 said:

 

 

1 hour ago, ShamyBabboos said:

Its weird for me (not S/P scenes, but me... myself... I'm weird), I love Penny. I love Sheldon. Together? Eh, not my favorite thing. Sheldon and Bernie? Love those scenes. Leonard and Amy? Love. Howard and Amy? Love. And so on. I think its because S/P scenes are common enough where I'm just like "Oh ok... moving on". I'd rather see Amy and Sheldon discuss these things together as a couple should, rather than Penny be a step in moderator, I guess. (not that she always is, but a good portion of times, she is). Like his birthday for example, that would've been a great Shamy scene. Or even in this instance, I love when Sheldon and Amy resolve fights together alone (like in Mars episode)

 

I supposed "loathe" in my previous post was too strong of word... let me rephrase to, I'm indifferent this time around. It happened, time to move on, ya know? That's my brain.

(and a continuing apology as my quote thing keeps popping in things that I don't mean it to, no offense here 3ku11...).  I think part of the reason there is a dislike for the Penny/Sheldon scenes by some is that often those scenes seem either forced, or as you point out ShamyBabboos, better done with a different character, most of the time, Amy. 

[ShamyBabboos]

7 minutes ago, hokie3457 said:

 

(and a continuing apology as my quote thing keeps popping in things that I don't mean it to, no offense here 3ku11...).  I think part of the reason there is a dislike for the Penny/Sheldon scenes by some is that often those scenes seem either forced, or as you point out ShamyBabboos, better done with a different character, most of the time, Amy. 

I'm glad you agree (I'm always nervous sharing my thoughts on here)! I have no issue with Penny as an individual, shes adorable sometimes, but even as Molaro pointed out in an interview-- which I cant find to save my life-- they're (the writers) trying to get Amy more involved because shes currently just popping in and out of other's story lines, which is great that they are trying to do that... but why couldn't they use this argument as an example of that? They could have had Sheldon open up to Amy about the knocking and the cheating father and the fear of becoming like him and create this HUGE moment of vulnerability and growing trust between them.

I don't know, just my thought on it.

Edited September 21, 2016 by ShamyBabboos

[hokie3457]

10 minutes ago, wowbagger said:

My favourite Amy is Sheldonesque Amy (hat-tip to @koops), and Amy is never more Sheldonesque than when she is with Leonard. 

As to Sheldon and Penny: I was a massive fan of their friendship when they were spiky and affectionate-but-antagonistic. I could even understand why people shipped them back then (though I wasn't one of them). Theirs is, as I think I've said elsewhere, the show's true bromance, Shelnard or Rajowitz be damned. Nowadays, their relationship is just sort of...toothless. I seldom get that 'opposites clash, but see merit in each other's point of view' energy off them. And, as if in response, the writers have stepped up their exhortations of what a Magical Speshul Bond they have. The more time they spend telling me that Shenny Are Amazing, Okay, the less time they seem to spend showing what makes then so. A pity.

Reading your post wowbagger makes me think that the antagonism may have been the real drawing card for the popularity of the friendship (save for those who had other thoughts) in the original/early days.  That they have gone the other way toward a more wishy-washyness instead of the (to me) more funny mutual snark began with Season 7. By then the Leonard/Penny relationship had been more or less solidified; Amy was a fixture, but more importantly TBBT was well established in the land of syndication....

[camelliayao]

1 hour ago, DoctorWhat said:

Almost irrelevant but I am really surprised that so many of you dislike S/P scenes in general.I wonder why...They are some of my favourites and although I used to ship them at the series start,now I like them in a frienship context.

I like their interactions in the first few seasons where they can't understand each other but still get along well. But for the past few seasons, the writers have tried too hard telling us that they have some sort of bond. That could've still been Ok if they did give us some good examples. But the examples they gave were mostly very far-fetched and forced. It just feels like the writers know some of us would "aww" seeing Sheldon/Penny "bonding", so they deliberately create situations for these two, lock them in a bathroom and say: Ok now go bond you two.

I think the writers need to understand some of the classic moments on the show are classic because they're rare. If you do it everyday, it'll soon become cliche.

 

 

Edited September 21, 2016 by camelliayao