[Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10

[Jonny]

12 minutes ago, mjc45 said:

is that like the shamy sex?  take away record of it,  did not

make the highest rating show of the season.

 

It was merely a guess at why perhaps less people watched the premiere, I honestly don't know if people got gripped by the storyline that they set up in the finale and then proposed during the hiatus. I can only speak for myself in that apart from wanting to see Lenny have a better wedding than that awful vegas one and getting to find out more about Penny's family my expectations were pretty low going into the first episode. Hell I was actually genuinely worried there was going to be conflict all over the place perhaps friendship damaging as a result of Mary and Alfred possibly hooking up so that for me took quite a bit of excitement away from the premiere.

Maybe the Shamy sex storyline even though everyone knew it was about to happen as it well publicized pretty much EVERYWHERE just gripped more people? Again we are asking questions or forming opinions that we have zero way of ever knowing. But the fact it broke a Guinness World Record says a lot to me.

I think it comes down to each individual at the end of the day. The writers throw loads of stories out there and some stick in my mind and get me interested and some just don't.

[Chrismo]

Uproxx (which I have never read before) had an article stating the premiere's poor showing doesn't bode well for a season 11.

[3ku11]

Correct me if I am wrong wasen't TBBT still #1 in its timeslot? So may have been down, but still good enough to beat its comp. So I Don't think some blog site, stating one episode, without a trend. Means their well be no S11. Too early too tell. 

[Tensor]

 

29 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

Uproxx (which I have never read before) had an article stating the premiere's poor showing doesn't bode well for a season 11.

That's not really true.   It complicates things a bit, puts Warner Brothers in play a bit more.  I took a look at this On Monday and Kerrycec03 Added her thoughts on Tuesday

28 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

Correct me if I am wrong wasen't TBBT still #1 in its timeslot? So may have been down, but still good enough to beat its comp. So I Don't think some blog site, stating one episode, without a trend. Means their well be no S11. Too early too tell. 

Depends on what measure you use.  In 18-34, TBBT has always, since the measure has been released, lead that category.   This Monday was the fist time it didn't lead its time slot in that measure.  18-49 was the closest I've seen, with The Voice in second. You have to remember The Voice was in its second week, when ratings fall off from the premiere.  The big test for TBBT will be next week, and we'll get an idea for the trend. 

[hokie3457]

15 minutes ago, Tensor said:

 

That's not really true.   It complicates things a bit, puts Warner Brothers in play a bit more.  I took a look at this On Monday and Kerrycec03 Added her thoughts on Tuesday

Depends on what measure you use.  In 18-34, TBBT has always, since the measure has been released, lead that category.   This Monday was the fist time it didn't lead its time slot in that measure.  18-49 was the closest I've seen, with The Voice in second. You have to remember The Voice was in its second week, when ratings fall off from the premiere.  The big test for TBBT will be next week, and we'll get an idea for the trend. 

Just how bad or off were the ratings?????

[Judith]

15 hours ago, camelliayao said:

Sorry about the quote...

I'm not an expert on how OCD and trauma work so correct me if I'm wrong.

Traumatic experiences can lead an individual to develop OCD which is a way for them to cope with what happened. In Sheldon's case, seeing his father cheat on his mother was a traumatic experience for him. Now, OCD begins with an irrational thought that stresses you out which keeps coming back and every time you have to go through the circle of giving into the thought and do/think something in order to make the thought and the resulting stress go away. For Sheldon this thought is "I better knock three times otherwise I might just happen upon a scene like in my father's bedroom. (This is where sexuality gets involved too. Sheldon's father's sexuality and the trauma that it caused him made him be repulsed by/afraid of everyone's sexuality, hence the knocking to be sure that the coast will be clear). Furthermore, the closure that he feels from knocking three times ensures that his irrational thought/fear will be put to rest.

Like I said, correct me if I'm wrong.

[Tensor]

1 minute ago, hokie3457 said:

Just how bad or off were the ratings?????

In the 18-49 demo, it was off nine tenths of a point, from last year's premiere. In viewers, it was off by just under 2.5 million.  It was still number one for the night and for the week so far, for scripted programs.  But, it complicates things a bit in regards to renewal

[joyceraye]

9 hours ago, Carlos said:

What did you like better? The way he interrupted them or how he ignored Amy when he gave his speech at the end of the wedding?

In the version I saw he didn't interrupt anything : he added to what had already been said. It was nothing to do with Amy or any of the guests so I wasn't expecting him to include Amy.

[Chrismo]

2 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

In the version I saw he didn't interrupt anything : he added to what had already been said. It was nothing to do with Amy or any of the guests so I wasn't expecting him to include Amy.

He did interrupt the ceremony. He was not part of the ceremony and correct me if I'm wrong but Bernadette asked for no more interruptions.

[Judith]

8 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

In the version I saw he didn't interrupt anything : he added to what had already been said. It was nothing to do with Amy or any of the guests so I wasn't expecting him to include Amy.

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

He did interrupt the ceremony. He was not part of the ceremony and correct me if I'm wrong but Bernadette asked for no more interruptions.

Alfred also "interrupted" the ceremony, but apparently just Sheldon needs to be judged for that.

[Chrismo]

2 minutes ago, FileXxX said:

Alfred also "interrupted" the ceremony, but apparently just Sheldon needs to be judged for that.

I believe the discussion was about Sheldon not Alfred. Even though you are correct about Alfred odds are we will never see again. Sheldon we will.

[hokie3457]

15 minutes ago, FileXxX said:

Alfred also "interrupted" the ceremony, but apparently just Sheldon needs to be judged for that.

I don't think you can call what Alfred said to Beverly an interruption.  It was a comment, made as an "aside" which was meant for Beverly alone.  Of course others heard it, but it was not meant to be heard by anyone but Beverly.  (my opinion alone).

[legacy99]

To me sheldon was wrong to do what he did. The ceremony wasn't about his feeling he could have said what afterwards
It seems to me it was just another scene where tptb push sheldon on us if we like or not


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[Guest]

5 minutes ago, hokie3457 said:

I don't think you can call what Alfred said to Beverly an interruption.  It was a comment, made as an "aside" which was meant for Beverly alone.  Of course others heard it, but it was not meant to be heard by anyone but Beverly.  (my opinion alone).

But that's exactly what it is. An interruption. They had to stop what they were doing, just because Alfred wanted to say something. Everyone's okay with that. But when Sheldon does the exact same thing, everyone loses their mind. That's a double standard.

7 minutes ago, legacy99 said:

To me sheldon was wrong to do what he did. The ceremony wasn't about his feeling he could have said what afterwards
It seems to me it was just another scene where tptb push sheldon on us if we like or not


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The ceremony was also not about Alfred's thoughts about his and Beverly's relationship and their son.

[hokie3457]

17 minutes ago, FileXxX said:

But that's exactly what it is. An interruption. They had to stop what they were doing, just because Alfred wanted to say something. Everyone's okay with that. But when Sheldon does the exact same thing, everyone loses their mind. That's a double standard.

The ceremony was also not about Alfred's thoughts about his and Beverly's relationship and their son.

...but nothing was stopped. Alfred didn't mean to be heard by any one but Beverly.  What he said wasn't said to Leonard or to Penny or to Bernadette.  It was someone mentioning something to a person he was sitting next to during the ceremony.  It was just like Mary & Sheldon's conversation as Penny was walking down the aisle, which also was not an interruption.   Again two people talking to one another.  I suppose it is time for us to agree to disagree my friend.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, hokie3457 said:

...but nothing was stopped. Alfred didn't mean to be heard by any one but Beverly.  What he said wasn't said to Leonard or to Penny or to Bernadette.  It was someone mentioning something to a person he was sitting next to during the ceremony.  It was just like Mary & Sheldon's conversation as Penny was walking down the aisle, which also was not an interruption.   Again two people talking to one another.  I suppose it is time for us to agree to disagree my friend.

Huh? He said: "I'd like to say something" (and, yes, that's what you say if you want people to listen), just like Sheldon did, thereby stopping Leonard and Penny from continuing with the ceremony. Everyone was listening, everyone was watching. It was clearly not like Sheldon and Mary's conversation (which was more whispering than talking).

[Chrismo]

17 minutes ago, FileXxX said:

Huh? He said: "I'd like to say something" (and, yes, that's what you say if you want people to listen), just like Sheldon did, thereby stopping Leonard and Penny from continuing with the ceremony. Everyone was listening, everyone was watching. It was clearly not like Sheldon and Mary's conversation (which was more whispering than talking).

I think Sheldon's comment was more appropriate at a reception when the best man is giving his speech. Alfred and Beverly "interruption" was more appropriate at the wedding.

[hokie3457]

25 minutes ago, FileXxX said:

Huh? He said: "I'd like to say something" (and, yes, that's what you say if you want people to listen), just like Sheldon did, thereby stopping Leonard and Penny from continuing with the ceremony. Everyone was listening, everyone was watching. It was clearly not like Sheldon and Mary's conversation (which was more whispering than talking).

I stand corrected. Thank you! I had forgotton Alfred's opening to his statement (the "I'd like to say something").

Edited September 22, 2016 by hokie3457

[Chrismo]

1 minute ago, hokie3457 said:

I stand corrected. Thank you! I had forgotton Alfred's opening to his statement (the "I'd like to say something").

He did but the wedding was redone because the parents weren't able to see the first one. Sheldon had a chance to see the first one and if I recall correctly wasn't interested at that time.

[DoctorWhat]

20 hours ago, Judith said:

It basically boils down to Penny is a Woman™ so Sheldon isn't allowed to be friends with her.

This bothers me so much tbh (I know a number of people who believe it).I have many guy friends and one of my two very best friends is also a guy.What if one gets in a relationship?He will always be my best friend.

 

16 hours ago, serena_1995 said:

 HAHAHA !  LOL ! IRK ? Sheldon's shirts are getting tighter and tighter .He was looking kinda buff in 10.1 and the promo for 10.2 , even though he is supposed to *hate* working out.

I noticed that too!I just remembered that episode with the fanfiction Amy wrote,.at some point he showed his back in the victorian bathroom I was like 0.0

[joyceraye]

25 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

He did but the wedding was redone because the parents weren't able to see the first one. Sheldon had a chance to see the first one and if I recall correctly wasn't interested at that time.

They all missed the marriage vows in the first wedding because even those at Howardette's house couldn't hear them for the Shamy breakup, although the friends could hear the sweet, sincere things Lenny said to each other before the Shamy row.  The parents and Penny's brother missed the whole thing both times. The re-do we were promised didn't happen. There was another set of sst but disappointingly, no renewal of vows, no promises at all.

It was nice that Penny's father got to give her away. He must have looked forward to that for thirty years. It would also have been nice if there had been a reception or some other opportunity for more speeches. I wish there had been a bouquet for one of the three available women to catch.  I suppose with an allotted 3 or 4 minutes out of 18 we were lucky to get what we did. 

[Zhalen565]

2 hours ago, FileXxX said:

Huh? He said: "I'd like to say something" (and, yes, that's what you say if you want people to listen), just like Sheldon did, thereby stopping Leonard and Penny from continuing with the ceremony. Everyone was listening, everyone was watching. It was clearly not like Sheldon and Mary's conversation (which was more whispering than talking).

Precisely, "I'd like to say something" which is asking a question of the one in charge. Sheldon's was "I need to say something" which is a statement especially when precursed with "Excuse me". A whole different tone.

[Carm6773]

6 hours ago, Judith said:

Sorry about the quote...

I'm not an expert on how OCD and trauma work so correct me if I'm wrong.

Traumatic experiences can lead an individual to develop OCD which is a way for them to cope with what happened. In Sheldon's case, seeing his father cheat on his mother was a traumatic experience for him. Now, OCD begins with an irrational thought that stresses you out which keeps coming back and every time you have to go through the circle of giving into the thought and do/think something in order to make the thought and the resulting stress go away. For Sheldon this thought is "I better knock three times otherwise I might just happen upon a scene like in my father's bedroom. (This is where sexuality gets involved too. Sheldon's father's sexuality and the trauma that it caused him made him be repulsed by/afraid of everyone's sexuality, hence the knocking to be sure that the coast will be clear). Furthermore, the closure that he feels from knocking three times ensures that his irrational thought/fear will be put to rest.

Like I said, correct me if I'm wrong.

Could be the reason he can't lie or keep a secret either...

[ShamyBabboos]

On 9/22/2016 at 0:58 PM, Carm6773 said:

Could be the reason he can't lie or keep a secret either...

As someone with OCD, I know I've developed some behaviors due to my mother's poor choices in my childhood. i.e I stock pile SOME things (even if I have plenty of them... and nothing gross. Just cold medicine, soap, shampoo, cat litter for my cat) because my mom would choose alcohol over that item.

Doesn't make me an expert since each case is different, but I'm just sharing my own experience. 

Edited September 24, 2016 by ShamyBabboos
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