[Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10

[Swedish Chef]

2 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

A couple of rights does not overright many wrongs. Everything thing that Sheldon has done has motives behind them which ends in his favour. Except for when he loaned penny money.

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What about when he drove Penny to the emergency ?

What motives was behind then ?

[Tonstar17]

What about when he drove Penny to the emergency ?
What motives was behind then ?

I give you that one as well. But apart from loaning penny money and driving her to ER what else?

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[wowbagger]

2 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

I give you that one as well. But apart from loaning penny money and driving her to ER what else?

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I know you're a Monty Python fan, so maybe you'll forgive me for being reminded of this:

 

[Tonstar17]

I know you're a Monty Python fan, so maybe you'll forgive me for being reminded of this:
 

Hahaha. You caught that. One of my fav scenes from life of Brian.

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[Swedish Chef]

6 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

One of my fav scenes from life of Brian.

Awesome movie, so many LOL moments.

[veejay]

15 minutes ago, wowbagger said:

I know you're a Monty Python fan, so maybe you'll forgive me for being reminded of this:

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LOL! Oops, suddenly I’m out of likes.

[ATM]

1 hour ago, FileXxX said:

Uh... right now?

what is that?

[Tonstar17]

what is that?

Its a robot head exploding.

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[wowbagger]

2 hours ago, djsurrey said:

It is one of the show's mysteries. An enigma. Leonard is special, somehow.

 

He is, isn't he? The little that Leonard lets slip makes me stop and say '....You....you are kind of impressively fucked up, little man'. This isn't a criticism, by the way. I'd love for Leonard's neuroses to be explored. Bring back that therapist! I liked her.

[2L344]

3 hours ago, Judith said:

The Shenny friendship is something that 95% of the time I feel neutral about, and 5% of the time (depending on the plot) draws my attention. Kind of like Penny.

I've spent some time now on the forum but I still don't understand what is this so-called Shenny bond that people keep bringing up and where it originated from. I mean I've watched the episodes and I know they're very good friends but I still don't see what is special about it for it to be referred to as something threatening for Amy or annoying for shippers.

@2L344 What kind of intimacy do Sheldon and Penny have in your opinion that fans would covet for Amy? Especially at this point? Because Leonard has known Sheldon longer than Penny.

The same kind that Amy is jealous of when she tells Leonard about it when she is caught lying to Sheldon while having wine with Bernie. Sheldon shares a lot of his issues with Penny and confides in her while Amy, up until recently, didnt get a lot of that. We see that same jealousy in Amy again in S9 during the Game of Thrones party when she takes Leonard side in the fight. She explains to Leonard that Penny always takes Sheldon's side and it annoyed her.

I guess folks either see it or they dont. Again, Im referring more to their friendship than any Shenny coupling fantasy (which I do not have whatsoever). I dont suggest it should be a topic that should be viewed as threatening to Amy (though she herself has expressed concern over it twice) nor should it be annoying to shippers (in fact I think that it shouldnt be since clearly they are just friends).

Edited September 23, 2016 by 2L344

[spidergirl]

Sometimes it is easier that we speak about some stuff with a close friend or with our bestfriend than with our SO. It doesnt mean a question of trust, it is more like the kind of relationship helps to figure some things in a way more neutral, you know.

Penny is like Sheldon's bestfriend, although it lacks lots of things for they have a relationship of bestfriends. Even it was supposed Leonard being his bestfriend (Sheldon refers to him like that often), he doesnt act most of times as Sheldon was his bestfriend. I have hoped that fact could be developed in show but so far Sheldon and Leonard are still more roomates,as they were in beginning of the show. Maybe with the La storyplot we can see that changing.

  I like Penny and Sheldon 's friendship and it is nice they keep it, it has been great for Sheldon's  life and I dont see that as a threat  to Amy. It is healthy to everyone to   keep their relationships that had before they met their SO, like Sheldon.

Amy has expressed concern over shenny relationship for a question of insecurity. Amy sees Penny in such perfect way beauty concerned and seeing her boyfriend, that is not very keen of open himself , even with Amy and they are much better that they were before their breaking up, as Sheldon can do that with someone like Penny makes Amy s insecurities come in strenght.

I believe as soon as Amy and Penny are living close for their present LA, they might have the bbf relationship that Amys has wished for so long.

Edited September 23, 2016 by spidergirl

[Nogravitasatall]

5 hours ago, 2L344 said:

She is way up there on that list. Im one who has always enjoyed the friendship and was never concerned it would grow beyond it. Theyve been there for each other through the years and "get" each other.

He was there for Penny when she broke her arm, she took care of Sheldon when he was sick, they kept each other company when Leonard was away- the list is endless. I like that Penny sees past Sheldon's b.s. and he is always her "weirdo" friend.

Im not one of those Shamy shipper s who is intimidated by the relationship, though I can understand why some fans covet the intimacy of that friendship for Amy. Penny was there way before Amy came on the scene, and the friendship was established early. The scene where Sheldon breaks into Penny's apartment to ask her not to hurt Leonard, when he learned she might break up with Leonard, sold for me the idea that Sheldon will always have Leonard's back in the end and that Penny will always be a friend and nothing more. The friends continue to define that relationship as such in different episodes.

Penny is Amy's bff and that can make things awkward to be sure for Shamy because of Sheldon's friendship with her as well. We saw that time and again, and the S9 breakup arc really tested some of those boundaries. Frankly, Penny pissed me off during the breakup because I thought she shouldve been more supportive of Sheldon but looking back I can see what a tough position she had to be in.

I hope Sheldon and Penny stay very close up to the last episode of the show.

 

Being close to Sheldon detracts from Leonard and Penny's marriage. It's great if you like Sheldon - not so much if you expect something of real world depiction of a marriage. (Be married and have a roomate and see how it goes). I think they pushed it a long way past reasonable. Maybe there are such generous couples out there, but to my mind the Howardette/Stuart resolution was closer to how such events would resolve. That was funny and not at all ludicrous. But Penny and Leonards tolerance of Sheldon does raise the question of "why", because it really made no rational sense - ie it's irrational. So yes, bring back the therapist!

 

[Judith]

42 minutes ago, 2L344 said:

The same kind that Amy is jealous of when she tells Leonard about it when she is caught lying to Sheldon while having wine with Bernie. Sheldon shares a lot of his issues with Penny and confides in her while Amy, up until recently, didnt get a lot of that. We see that same jealousy in Amy again in S9 during the Game of Thrones party when she takes Leonard side in the fight. She explains to Leonard that Penny always takes Sheldon's side and it annoyed her.

I guess folks either see it or they dont. Again, Im referring more to their friendship than any Shenny coupling fantasy (which I do not have whatsoever). I dont suggest it should be a topic that should be viewed as threatening to Amy (though she herself has expressed concern over it twice) nor should it be annoying to shippers (in fact I think that it shouldnt be since clearly they are just friends).

Just to be clear, I know that a Shenny coupling isn't what you suggested.

Now, I have a couple of points about these. In 7.21 Amy expressed jealousy over how close Sheldon and Penny are. In the same episode we had the psychic tell Sheldon to give himself to his relationship with Amy, which in part means to stop pushing her away. So there's that.

In 9.21 Amy says she's sometimes annoyed at how close Sheldon and Penny are. After two years "jealous" has become "sometimes annoyed". When Leonard questioned her she explained that Penny always comforts Sheldon (and the medicine line which I find unimportant) and later in the episode she accuses Penny of always defending him.

This "intimacy" looks very one-sided. Amy is annoyed with Penny's behaviour and as for Sheldon, he's never favoured Penny over Amy, so to me Amy has nothing to be annoyed about (though I can understand why she would still feel like that).

As for Sheldon confiding in Penny vs Amy, like you said he has recently started to do that with Amy more. And IMO nothing beats Solder.

[ShamyBabboos]

3 hours ago, Tonstar17 said:

A couple of rights does not overright many wrongs. Everything thing that Sheldon has done has motives behind them which ends in his favour. Except for when he loaned penny money.

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And don't forget the, oh... I dont know... the fact that Sheldon is making a scholarship fund for Howard's child. 

90% of the time, yes he's selfish. But upon signing that contract, he was willing to give 25% of his total earnings from the patent to a child that isn't even his. So no, him lending Penny money is NOT the only exception to his selfishness. That and taking care of Amy when she was sick. He had no motive then either.

Yes, some rights don't overturn many wrong, but you can't ignore the rights he HAS done.

 

[vonmar]

23 minutes ago, Nogravitasatall said:

Being close to Sheldon detracts from Leonard and Penny's marriage. It's great if you like Sheldon - not so much if you expect something of real world depiction of a marriage. (Be married and have a roomate and see how it goes). I think they pushed it a long way past reasonable. Maybe there are such generous couples out there, but to my mind the Howardette/Stuart resolution was closer to how such events would resolve. That was funny and not at all ludicrous. But Penny and Leonards tolerance of Sheldon does raise the question of "why", because it really made no rational sense - ie it's irrational. So yes, bring back the therapist!

 

IMO, people don't watch sitcoms to see "real world depictions of marriage". They watch for escapism from their own real wold marriages/relationships. Escapism occurs when viewers are presented with outlandish, exaggerated versions of the real world.  That's what the S/L/P dynamic offers.

[ATM]

See we have Leonard - Penny - Sheldon scenes

Penny - Sheldon (only) scenes

where are Leonard - Penny(only) scenes ???

[mirs1]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2016/09/23/big-bang-theory-signals-season-10-wont-its-last/90843926/

Nothing really new in the interview, but  Jim and Johnny briefly speak about possibly continuing the show after S. 10. 

[joyceraye]

3 minutes ago, ShamyBabboos said:

And don't forget the, oh... I dont know... the fact that Sheldon is making a scholarship fund for Howard's child. 

90% of the time, yes he's selfish. But upon signing that contract, he was willing to give 25% of his total earnings from the patent to a child that isn't even his. So no, him lending Penny money is NOT the only exception to his selfishness. That and taking care of Amy when she was sick. He had no motive then either.

Yes, some rights don't overturn many wrong, but you can't ignore the rights he HAS done.

 

 

Sheldon carried the explosive into the elevator himself.

Sheldon put Raj up when Leonard and Priya were making Raj's place unbearable.

Sheldon sought out Zack for Amy when she was horny.

Sheldon was willing to leave Amy to finish her date with Dave.

Sheldon was perfectly willing to split the royalties from the invention three ways so that Howard could have a share.

Sheldon gave Stuart his blessing to date Amy even though by then he didn't like it.

Sheldon said  a nice thing to Howard when Mrs Wolowiz died.

Sheldon took care of Amy when she was vomiting and passing out drunk two years before they started courting and had a RA.

Sheldon agreed to father a super race of benign overlords to benefit mankind.

Sheldon invented the warrior queen Bernatrix the Tall.

17 minutes ago, ShamyBabboos said:

And don't forget the, oh... I dont know... the fact that Sheldon is making a scholarship fund for Howard's child. 

90% of the time, yes he's selfish. But upon signing that contract, he was willing to give 25% of his total earnings from the patent to a child that isn't even his. So no, him lending Penny money is NOT the only exception to his selfishness. That and taking care of Amy when she was sick. He had no motive then either.

Yes, some rights don't overturn many wrong, but you can't ignore the rights he HAS done.

 

 

[camelliayao]

5 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2016/09/23/big-bang-theory-signals-season-10-wont-its-last/90843926/

Nothing really new in the interview, but  Jim and Johnny briefly speak about possibly continuing the show after S. 10. 

Thank you for changing the subject. Really appreciate it!!! (I just woke up and found the S/P discussion STILL going on, Jeez)

I have a question unrelated to the article though, we were told during the hiatus there'll be a Flag Con storyline and a storyline about Amy's research this season, right? 

[joyceraye]

4 hours ago, Tonstar17 said:

Hahaha. You caught that. One of my fav scenes from life of Brian.

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On British tv it became a series of documentaries later followed by What The Tudors, then Stuarts,then Victorians .... Did For Us.

[vonmar]

Just now, camelliayao said:

Thank you for changing the subject. Really appreciate it!!! (I just woke up and found the S/P discussion STILL going on, Jeez)

I have a question unrelated to the article though, we were told during the hiatus there'll be a Flag Con storyline and a storyline about Amy's research this season, right? 

Yes, Steve Molaro talked about those possible story ideas at Comic Con in July.

[2L344]

1 hour ago, Nogravitasatall said:

Being close to Sheldon detracts from Leonard and Penny's marriage. It's great if you like Sheldon - not so much if you expect something of real world depiction of a marriage. (Be married and have a roomate and see how it goes). I think they pushed it a long way past reasonable. Maybe there are such generous couples out there, but to my mind the Howardette/Stuart resolution was closer to how such events would resolve. That was funny and not at all ludicrous. But Penny and Leonards tolerance of Sheldon does raise the question of "why", because it really made no rational sense - ie it's irrational. So yes, bring back the therapist!

 

While I enjoy the Penny/Sheldon friendship I'm definitely not a fan of the LA and can't wait for that to be dealt with once and for all. I would've been okay with a couple of episodes of it, but like you said it's grown beyond reasonable...

[Tonstar17]

And don't forget the, oh... I dont know... the fact that Sheldon is making a scholarship fund for Howard's child. 
90% of the time, yes he's selfish. But upon signing that contract, he was willing to give 25% of his total earnings from the patent to a child that isn't even his. So no, him lending Penny money is NOT the only exception to his selfishness. That and taking care of Amy when she was sick. He had no motive then either.
Yes, some rights don't overturn many wrong, but you can't ignore the rights he HAS done.
 

but he did try to get out of of looking after Amy. Which could be considered a motive. Just because he change his mind doesn't remove his intentions at first to call out the loophole. To me that is a motive. He did right in the end but he did it out of obligation to the relationship agreement not from the heart. Which is what Sheldon does often. There is always a Sheldon motive at the beginning. He doesn't get it. Not buying that anymore after 10 seasons. 190+ IQ. Go figure. just goes to show. Tptb are only God's in the sitcom world.

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[camelliayao]

3 minutes ago, vonmar said:

Yes, Steve Molaro talked about those possible story ideas at Comic Con in July.

Do you think those ideas are for the first half of the season or the second half? Because I personally find those ideas suitable storylines for coitus lol. So I'm really hopeful. 

However, Molaro talked about Penny's career in the past too. But from his most recent interview, it seems to me they're putting off Penny's career problem. So I'm worried they have changed their minds about flag con or Amy's research too. 

[Chrismo]

47 minutes ago, vonmar said:

IMO, people don't watch sitcoms to see "real world depictions of marriage". They watch for escapism from their own real wold marriages/relationships. Escapism occurs when viewers are presented with outlandish, exaggerated versions of the real world.  That's what the S/L/P dynamic offers.

While you are correct people don't watch sitcoms to see " real word depictions of marriage"  the S/L/P dynamic seemed to work without the three of them living together for the first nine years.. It was a little funny when Sheldon slept on Penny's couch last season but the storyline has worn thin. Escapism IMO has turned into stupidity with the current living arrangements.

Edited September 23, 2016 by Chrismo