[Spoilers] Discussion: Season 10

[Tensor]

To be truthful, if they pull back to Sheldon, Penny, and Leonard in 4A, I'm not sure I can stay with the show.  

[Guest]

I'm fine with the show the way it is now. 

[jenafan]

5 minutes ago, vonmar said:

Stall may have been the wrong word.  It seems that they are currently accelerating S/A relationship. If they got any sort of pick up,  they might pull back slightly in order to "milk" the story line.

It is my hope they are accelerating the S/A relationship, so we can spend the remainder of the show with the focus on Shamy's advancement to matrimony while seeing all the weirdness that we love about them return to the screen and Lenny finally experiencing life as a married couple alone and extremely happy with each other canoodling on the couch, perhaps contemplating starting their own family, buying a house, moving, etc.  We can watch Bernie and Howard's tackling parenthood, and Howard's career take a different turn.   Raj?  Who knows?   By getting rid of the Raj's love triangle and love life all together, perhaps he's going to become the Sheldon of Howardette and find that he prefers life as a bachelor or will finally really come out of the closet.  Stuart?  Maybe he will become a nanny for Howardette's baby.    

I hope this is not the last season.  There is still a lot plenty of story to tell, especially now with Howard finally being acknowledged for his skill set inspite of the fact he's just, you know, an engineer from MIT.     Where does he go from here?

I know I don't spend much time on the forum talking about Howard, but he has really grown on me.   I wish big things for him, and I like the idea of Sheldon watching it all unfold before his very eyes.   It would nice to get back to the careers and science part to the show, while still admiring our favorite couples in the background.   Even better would be more group ensembles whether it be all or the guys and girls doing their own things.

If this is the last season, that I'm all about them closing up the story lines.   I just don't want them to be sloppy about it.   Do it in a way that makes sense, not by pulling something from thin air that breaks continuity or has already been drilled into us time and again just to have an excuse to tell it.

38 minutes ago, spidergirl said:

Yeah but it would be bad. If the show is renewed for 2 more seasons, they would keep lenny living with Sheldon and Amy in her apartment again for drag it out enough to more what, 50 episodes before a shamy proposal? Jeez, really hope not! The characters need to keep with their lives foward, not running in circles.

If things don't work out with Shamy and they move Sheldon back in with Lenny, then I agree, the show needs to end.  I'd rather they have Sheldon live alone then a return to status quo.     Nonetheless, I really really really want Shamy to grow into this new arrangement and not want to end it, possibly even refusing to go their separate ways at the end of the experiment.

I think it would be funny if Sheldon and Amy came home to 4B toward the end of the experiment to find Lenny have moved all of Sheldon's stuff into 4B.   Unless Leonard was joking, they've already changed the locks.    There is some comedy to be had . 

The only reason to renew is to continue the storylines we've never seen before; that of watching the new comedy stemming from the new permanent living arrangements.    We can still have them going back and forth between apartments, but at the end of the day, they are living separately.   However, if they are going to continue with the same ol' same ol', I think I will be done.

[vonmar]

7 minutes ago, jenafan said:

It is my hope they are accelerating the S/A relationship, so we can spend the remainder of the show with the focus on Shamy's advancement to matrimony while seeing all the weirdness that we love about them return to the screen and Lenny finally experiencing life as a married couple alone and extremely happy with each other canoodling on the couch, perhaps contemplating starting their own family, buying a house, moving, etc.  We can watch Bernie and Howard's tackling parenthood, and Howard's career take a different turn.   Raj?  Who knows?   By getting rid of the Raj's love triangle and love life all together, perhaps he's going to become the Sheldon of Howardette and find that he prefers life as a bachelor or will finally really come out of the closet.  Stuart?  Maybe he will become a nanny for Howardette's baby.    

I hope this is not the last season.  There is still a lot plenty of story to tell, especially now with Howard finally being acknowledged for his skill set inspite of the fact he's just, you know, an engineer from MIT.     Where does he go from here?

I know I don't spend much time on the forum talking about Howard, but he has really grown on me.   I wish big things for him, and I like the idea of Sheldon watching it all unfold before his very eyes.   It would nice to get back to the careers and science part to the show, while still admiring our favorite couples in the background.   Even better would be more group ensembles whether it be all or the guys and girls doing their own things.

If this is the last season, that I'm all about them closing up the story lines.   I just don't want them to be sloppy about it.   Do it in a way that makes sense, not by pulling something from thin air that breaks continuity or has already been drilled into us time and again just to have an excuse to tell it.

I was originally all on board with Sheldon claiming "ownership" of 4A, he was there first...but I am starting to think that after his time spent in 4B, he might prefer a Sheldonized version of such a compact living space that is 4B, leaving 4A to L/P with the provision that he has certain rights..maybe they write up a neighbor agreement as opposed to a LA.  Rework the standing sets, let L/P live alone as a married couple in 4A and maybe, just maybe let Sheldon do some growing up in 4B.

[legacy99]

Since Leonard and Penny are such nice people and really care about sheldon do you think they will keep paying the rent on 4b for him

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[jenafan]

9 minutes ago, vonmar said:

I was originally all on board with Sheldon claiming "ownership" of 4A, he was there first...but I am starting to think that after his time spent in 4B, he might prefer a Sheldonized version of such a compact living space that is 4B, leaving 4A to L/P with the provision that he has certain rights..maybe they write up a neighbor agreement as opposed to a LA.  Rework the standing sets, let L/P live alone as a married couple in 4A and maybe, just maybe let Sheldon do some growing up in 4B.

I am with you.  I love this idea, and I don't know if you saw my add on post, but I would love for Shamy to come back from the Flag convention to open the door to 4B to find Sheldon's  bed, desk, comics etc. all set by Lenny.   The sofa, I'm not so sure.   It just seems to fit with 4A.   Don't know if I could get used to it in Sheldon's new place.

Even better is if they come back from the flag convention, to find that Sheldon has arranged to have Amy's stuff moved into 4B with some of his own stuff before she moves back to her own apartment, leading her to cancel her lease.  

[Jonny]

51 minutes ago, vonmar said:

I was originally all on board with Sheldon claiming "ownership" of 4A, he was there first...but I am starting to think that after his time spent in 4B, he might prefer a Sheldonized version of such a compact living space that is 4B, leaving 4A to L/P with the provision that he has certain rights..maybe they write up a neighbor agreement as opposed to a LA.  Rework the standing sets, let L/P live alone as a married couple in 4A and maybe, just maybe let Sheldon do some growing up in 4B.

I am not sure what to make of it to be honest, its does seem like they are pointing to him living in 4B after the experiment but I never thought he would end up there permanently. I think he will want to live with Amy but where exactly?

Unless they come up with some agreement like you said it seems like he will have to give up a lot, and a lot of things that are associated with the show. For example and most obviously what happens in regards to his spot?

If they have a storyline where they won't let him in 4A then isn't that just being set up as a drama/conflict storyline? He has major rights when it comes to 4A, you cant just kick him out.

It's going to be fascinating to see what they come up with in the end and its impact on the show. The writers are clever and they know what they are doing so I will expect they will work something out. It just seems to me that they will have a potentially trickier time trying to keep 4A the main hub of the show if Sheldon isn't there or is heavily restricted from being there.

Edited September 25, 2016 by Jonny

[Tensor]

 

7 minutes ago, Jonny said:

Unless they come up with some agreement like you said it seems like he will have to give up a lot, and a lot of things that are associated with the show. For example and most obviously what happens in regards to his spot?

Back in 9.03, when they were terminating the roommate agreement it was specifically mentioned they that Leonard gave the couch to Sheldon.   Since Penny has her own couch, exchanging the furniture between apartments wouldn't seem to be a problem.  Sheldon has his own self-storage place, to store some of his things.

 That said, I don't see why they can't use Sheldon's bedroom in 4A as some sort of shared storage room.  Stuff Sheldon needs every so often, but doesn't fit in 4B, could be put there.  Penny or Leonard's bed and small bits of their furniture could go there.

If they finally decide to have each couple live alone, and the show gets picked up for at least two years, they could simply alter the set into two new apartments, scrapping 4A and 4B.  

[vonmar]

14 minutes ago, Tensor said:

If they finally decide to have each couple live alone, and the show gets picked up for at least two years, they could simply alter the set into two new apartments, scrapping 4A and 4B.

I don't think that they will ever scrap the original standing sets....they have become iconic, tied deeply to the shows genetic makeup.  I think that the main sets will remain but I think they will change up who lives where.

[notchinc]

LA  The mystery of TV Season 2016/2017

[Tensor]

2 minutes ago, vonmar said:

I don't think that they will ever scrap the original standing sets....they have become iconic, tied deeply to the shows genetic makeup.  I think that the main sets will remain but I think they will change up who lives where.

Other shows, which had Iconic sets have changed them before (All in the Family, The Mary Tyler Moore Show come to mind.).  As for being part of the genetic make up, Sleezy Howard, unable to talk Raj, sexless Sheldon and Leonard and Sheldon living together, were also part of the genetic make up.  But, again, to even think about it, they would have to get at least a two year renewal.   And I'm not saying they will, but it is a solution to them both needing more room than is available in 4B.  

[Kathy2611]

12 minutes ago, vonmar said:

I don't think that they will ever scrap the original standing sets....they have become iconic, tied deeply to the shows genetic makeup.  I think that the main sets will remain but I think they will change up who lives where.

I think the couch is more iconic than the apartment sets and when the show ends, it will be the couch that goes to that museum where all other iconic items go.  Can't think of what museum it is at the moment....

[Kev0821]

4 minutes ago, Kathy2611 said:

I think the couch is more iconic than the apartment sets and when the show ends, it will be the couch that goes to that museum where all other iconic items go.  Can't think of what museum it is at the moment....

The Smithsonian? 

[Kathy2611]

22 minutes ago, Kev0821 said:

The Smithsonian? 

Yeah that's it.  I think... 

 

[SRAM]

It still seems weird to me that after years of Sheldon and his spot, plus his not letting anyone in his room and finally his hate of change, he just moves over to 4B in one episode.

[Swedish Chef]

25 minutes ago, SRAM said:

It still seems weird to me that after years of Sheldon and his spot, plus his not letting anyone in his room and finally his hate of change, he just moves over to 4B in one episode.

Yeah, and he doesn't take anything with him from 4A to 4B, so he will be living with Penny's stuff.

4 hours ago, legacy99 said:

Since Leonard and Penny are such nice people and really care about sheldon do you think they will keep paying the rent on 4b for him

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I don't anything will change there, Lenny will still pay for two apartments 

[Carlos]

On ‎9‎/‎24‎/‎2016 at 8:28 AM, Lady in Red said:

Leonard and Penny are kind people who recognize that Sheldon is vulnerable.  He is a brilliant man whose work is important, but he is barely able to function in the world.  Leonard has said before that Sheldon is broken and needs him.

This is not so terribly different than caring for a brother who is disabled, or an elderly relative.  It's done all the time, all over the world.

Hhhhhhhmmmm....no! Regardless of whatever you're saying about Sheldon (which is true, I know) if you marry someone that person should be your end all be all. Period. Done.

Edited September 26, 2016 by Carlos

[djsurrey]

1 hour ago, SRAM said:

It still seems weird to me that after years of Sheldon and his spot, plus his not letting anyone in his room and finally his hate of change, he just moves over to 4B in one episode.

yup. Weird. Well all it takes is being a few days late getting his hair cut.

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Penny: Oh, hey. Sorry, Sheldon, I’ll move.

Sheldon: Eh, why? My spot, your spot, what difference does it make?

Penny: Okay, what just happened?

Leonard: I don’t know. Between you playing chess like Bobby Fischer and Sheldon being okay with you in his spot, I’m guessing someone went back in time, stepped on a bug, and changed the course of human events.

Penny: Uh, sweetie, are you all right?

Sheldon: No, I’m not all right. It’s been six days since I was supposed to get a haircut and nothing horrible has happened.

Penny: Okay, I’m sorry, I don’t understand.

Sheldon: Leonard, explain it to her.

Leonard: Oh, uh, he’s crazy.

Sheldon: I have spent my whole life trying to bring order to the universe by carefully planning every moment of every day. But all my efforts, our dinner schedule, my pyjama rotation, my bowel movement spreadsheet, it’s clear now, I’ve been wasting my time.

 

[Nogravitasatall]

1 hour ago, djsurrey said:

yup. Weird. Well all it takes is being a few days late getting his hair cut.

 

Yes. For him to be capable of change he must be able to exercise  choice. So he is not that broken maybe, else he'd be medicated. 

I have no skills in diagnosis, or anything really, but if he is able to choose to change then maybe he is rather just brilliant at getting people to nanny him.

He is certainly wonderful at having the hissy fits that gets him is own way.

Edited September 25, 2016 by Nogravitasatall

[mirs1]

As many for many of you, my head canon for the LA was Shamy in 4A and Lenny in 4B, with possibly Leonard's room used as a men cave for the gang or as a storage for Leonard's stuff. Anyway, I'm starting to like the new accommodations. I have no idea if they will last or if they will be the permanent ones. I kinda think that the experiment could be  more easily undone as regards to Shamy than to Lenny. It's already huge for Sheldon to give up, albeit temporarily, his couch, his bathroom schedule, to be the one proposing to live in a different and neutral place and to share a room. If that also leads to finally address the physical part of Shamy relationship, I guess the fandom might be a bit more patient if they need more time to live together permanently.  It would be way more difficult, instead, to explain why Lenny would return to the status quo after having experienced a Sheldon-free environment for five weeks. So, my minimal hope for the outcomes of this experiment is that at the end of the five weeks, at least Lenny are set free.

As for how the permanent living arrangements will look like, as I said, I'm starting to like Shamy in 4B and Lenny in 4A. I think it makes sense with the actors-status. I mean, Amy is not a main character, so having her in 4B (which is not where the guys usually meet) helps in a way to have her less involved in the stories. On the other hand, if the couch stays in 4A (which is what I hope, sorry to disagree with some of you, but for me it wouldn't be TBBT without the gang around the couch in 4A) here's the perfect explanation for Sheldon to hang out there all the time. It would be like the couch is L/P/S's child, Lenny get its physical custody  and Sheldon gets (frequent) visitations. IMO, no matter who sleeps where, that would not change the show that much, so Sheldon, Penny and Leonard spending most of their time together will never change.

Edited September 25, 2016 by mirs1

[Jonny]

2 hours ago, mirs1 said:

As many for many of you, my head canon for the LA was Shamy in 4A and Lenny in 4B, with possibly Leonard's room used as a men cave for the gang or as a storage for Leonard's stuff. Anyway, I'm starting to like the new accommodations. I have no idea if they will last or if they will be the permanent ones. I kinda think that the experiment could be  more easily undone as regards to Shamy than to Lenny. It's already huge for Sheldon to give up, albeit temporarily, his couch, his bathroom schedule, to be the one proposing to live in a different and neutral place and to share a room. If that also leads to finally address the physical part of Shamy relationship, I guess the fandom might be a bit more patient if they need more time to live together permanently.  It would be way more difficult, instead, to explain why Lenny would return to the status quo after having experienced a Sheldon-free environment for five weeks. So, my minimal hope for the outcomes of this experiment is that at the end of the five weeks, at least Lenny are set free.

As for how the permanent living arrangements will look like, as I said, I'm starting to like Shamy in 4B and Lenny in 4A. I think it makes sense with the actors-status. I mean, Amy is not a main character, so having her in 4B (which is not where the guys usually meet) helps in a way to have her less involved in the stories. On the other hand, if the couch stays in 4A (which is what I hope, sorry to disagree with some of you, but for me it wouldn't be TBBT without the gang around the couch in 4A) here's the perfect explanation for Sheldon to hang out there all the time. It would be like the couch is L/P/S's child, Lenny get its physical custody  and Sheldon gets (frequent) visitations. IMO, no matter who sleeps where, that would not change the show that much, so Sheldon, Penny and Leonard spending most of their time together will never change.

It all depends on the writers and whether they want to keep as much to the premise that 4A is the central hub of the show or they want to make radical changes. I strongly suspect the former will happen, the vast majority of interactions still taking place at 4A no matter whoever ends up living there. They will just then throw in a scene now and again with the couples both in 4A and 4B alone.

We are not going to get a Howardette kind of separation of scenes deal here imo.

Edited September 25, 2016 by Jonny

[Tonstar17]

I think at the end of the experiment everything will go back to normal. Sheldon moves back to 4A, Amy back to her apartment. The LA taken care of for now until the next time ppls complain about it. If this is what tptb are going for then the experiment is just a smokescreen and a waste of time for all parties except Sheldon and just a way of further delaying the LA permanently if nothing moves forward for any of the couples after it ends in regards to the LA.

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[Judith]

The writers could drag the la out by having Shamy say at the end of the experiment "I'm glad that this worked out and we're compatible, now see ya when it's the right time for us to move in together permanently". Because this was only a test to see if they're compatible and it started with Amy's apartment problems. So at the end, they could file away the positive results for the time when they'll feel ready for something more permanent. Meanwhile, Sheldon could live alone in 4b or 4a and Lenny in the other apartment. Or well, I guess the three of them could go back to living together in 4a but that would just be completely and utterly stupid. Unless they frame the situation as Sheldon not being ready for a permanent change (which is why he will agree with Amy to postpone moving in permanently) so he'll demand things to return to status quo. As in, Lenny wanting to live together alone, and Sheldon being like "Hey, where do you think you're going? These arrangements where only for the duration of this experiment, now I'm coming back to 4a and taking you with me. Chop chop!"

[Kathy2611]

And if the LA moves back to status quo after the experiment and it looks like it will stay that way, for me, it will not make any sense whatsoever but instead be an obvious stall tactic (I can see this happening if they get more seasons) and I for one will be highly pissed and will no longer be interested in watching anymore.  

And I probably wouldn't be the only fan who feels this way.  If they pull this ridiculous trick, I see it badly backfiring on tptb

[Judith]

If s10 ends and there's no indication of permanent changes in the la in previous eps then I think I'd stop watching. Though I stream the show so it wouldn't make a difference for TPTB. I just can't see how they can continue with the la as they are right now. Lenny have no motivation to stay with Sheldon any longer. Neither does Sheldon. If he wants to force them because of the status quo they should just refuse.