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1 hour ago, jenafan said:

I really don't think the "experiment" was ever taken seriously.  It was simply a means to get Sheldon to go along with it on the premise of science with a timeline for getting out if it didn't work.   In the end, I think Sheldon went in it with the intention of making it last, and by the actions of Lenny, they hoped so as well.   I also don't believe Amy ever intended to go back home, either.

Why go to all the trouble to learn to live together and compromise, say they liked it, and then end it just to tabulate the results.   I think the fact that they are still together shows their potential as roommates.  I would have hated for them to separate and then bring up everything they hated about living together.   I like that they are embracing the things they do enjoy and decided to make it permanent.

As far as Amy lying, I wouldn't put it past Sheldon to expect that she would.   The fact he is aware of her flaws as much as she is of his and accepted her apology speaks volumes.   He doesn't expect perfection from her anymore than she does of him.

As far as I'm concerned, Sheldon holding back from telling Amy his "secrets" is no different than her lying.   They are actually both in the same boat of not being 100% truthful.

Oy. I am seriously regretting using all of my likes up. If I could, I would like this post all up and down because it is so on point for me. I don't like that Amy felt that she had to lie to Sheldon but I love the honesty of her flawed character. That is what keeps me coming back to these two - the perfection of their imperfections and their willingness to correct and acknowledge their (and each other) faults. Amy is not always going to get it right. She might not get it right with the first five tries. She is still learning (like we all are) how to navigate our way through this world and I like that about her.

For me, I hope that the episode clears up the question of why she felt she needed to lie to Sheldon. Especially after all that they have been through together- why does she still not trust (not sure that this is the word that I'm looking for) him enough to be completely honest with him.

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5 minutes ago, mjc45 said:

in 10x8 bernie had only one scene with shamy, 

she said the baby face is down. (ladies help)

yes it was in the opening. howard and raj were playing

background the the show(new place)

^^^ A new tidbit about 10.7. Shamy are in the cold open doing fun with flags in 4b and howraj are there and playing background music? LOL!

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31 minutes ago, mjc45 said:

imo- the la or experiment is not done. only penny fixed leonards

room four her self, shamy has done anything yet.

Maybe we will see more of the experiment, in that case .  thank you @mjc45 :-) 

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MJC45 thank you!!! So they almost broke up because Sheldon was upset? What resolved the issue? (Forgive me if you mentioned this already).

I'm so excited about these episodes. I feel bad for all the people who don't really care about Shamy, though. The show is honestly the Shamy show lately and I love it but I'm not sure everyone else does. 

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40 minutes ago, jamie_polly17 said:

 

For me, I hope that the episode clears up the question of why she felt she needed to lie to Sheldon. Especially after all that they have been through together- why does she still not trust (not sure that this is the word that I'm looking for) him enough to be completely honest with him.

Maybe because Sheldon was not for the cohabitation experiment at the beginning. It took Lenny and Amy quite some persuasion to get him on board. How much they've been through is simply not relavent on this matter. 

 Sheldon is not the "I love you so I'm all in now." type of guy. Every little progress in their relationship is a big deal to Sheldon. Sheldon loves Amy, but that doesn't mean he's ready to move in with her/marry her etc. Besides, when it comes to living together, Sheldon has turned down Amy twice, and the second time he took a train and got away. It would surprise me if Amy doesn't have any doubts.

We shippers can interprete Sheldon wanting the experiment to last in 1004 as his determination. But if you think from Amy's POV. All those things only shows Sheldon respecting the scientific method. 

Wait. If the experiment is not over yet, why does Amy have to lie? Wasn't the experiment supposed to be 5 weeks, regardless of whether Amy's apartment is ready or not?

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So much new information to absorb...

These two messes. God bless them, always a step out of pace to being on the exact same page.

Sheldon wants her so bad, but his reliance on bad advice or TV/movie references are not helping the cause.  Amy wants him to, but wants him to want her for her, not for a celebratory event or procreation. 

Moving beyond the "experiment" or whatever it was, I'm so glad that they didn't send them on their separate ways and create an angsty situation.

I would love to see them redecorate 4B.  A lot of Amy's things would work in that space.  For example, Amy's couch is a two seater just like Penny's teal couch.  Plus they can create a lot of decor out of the line of sight, just like they do in 4A.

Finally (and sorry if this has already been mentioned) didn't Amy teach Sheldon her secret language?  

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7 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

Maybe because Sheldon was not for the cohabitation experiment at the beginning. It took Lenny and Amy quite some persuasion to get him on board. How much they've been through is simply not relavent on this matter. 

 Sheldon is not the "I love you so I'm all in now." type of guy. Every little progress in their relationship is a big deal to Sheldon. Sheldon loves Amy, but that doesn't mean he's ready to move in with her/marry her etc. Besides, when it comes to living together, Sheldon has turned down Amy twice, and the second time he took a train and got away. It would surprise me if Amy doesn't have any doubts.

We shippers can interprete Sheldon wanting the experiment to last in 1004 as his determination. But if you think from Amy's POV. All those things only shows Sheldon respecting the scientific method. 

Wait. If the experiment is not over yet, why does Amy have to lie? Wasn't the experiment supposed to be 5 weeks, regardless of whether Amy's apartment is ready or not?

I think the experiment was made to be 5 weeks in the understanding that it had to be 5 weeks, because her apartment was flooded. 

Even so, I'd be a little miffed if I were Sheldon. Her not telling him about that makes it seem like she doesn't trust him. Sheldon is all sorts of stuff, but he's definitely not dishonest. He never lies to her. And he's trusted her with big deal stuff in the past (like his weird hoarders storage bin). 

I don't think Sheldon dislikes living with her at all. He said he wanted the experiment to go well. He makes compromises for her. Hell, he has a ring. You don't propose to someone if you aren't willing to live with them. That should be indication enough for Amy that he's serious about her. The last failed attempt at living together came before the break up of the century - and I definitely think that experience changed Sheldon's views on Amy and her place in his life. 

Do I understand why Amy lied? Absolutely. Do I like that she did? No way. 

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1 hour ago, mjc45 said:

they had a lot air time., raj was other plot about the cleaning woman.

other had little pieces.

i would say both, witch would have led to the break-up.

they is why leonard told him about amys lie, sheldon felt amy

was hidding some think from him.

I just knew Sheldon knows Amy well enough now to know when she is hiding something from him.    I'm glad they worked it out.

The thought of them almost breaking up over it sent chills down my spine!   So, Sheldon gets angry at her this time?

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23 minutes ago, vonmar said:

So much new information to absorb...

These two messes. God bless them, always a step out of pace to being on the exact same page.

Sheldon wants her so bad, but his reliance on bad advice or TV/movie references are not helping the cause.  Amy wants him to, but wants him to want her for her, not for a celebratory event or procreation. 

Moving beyond the "experiment" or whatever it was, I'm so glad that they didn't send them on their separate ways and create an angsty situation.

I would love to see them redecorate 4B.  A lot of Amy's things would work in that space.  For example, Amy's couch is a two seater just like Penny's teal couch.  Plus they can create a lot of decor out of the line of sight, just like they do in 4A.

Finally (and sorry if this has already been mentioned) didn't Amy teach Sheldon her secret language?  

She has multiple secret languages.  OP in S4 and "tweekpadok" in S7

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26 minutes ago, vonmar said:

Finally (and sorry if this has already been mentioned) didn't Amy teach Sheldon her secret language?  

She tried, but he got distracted by thinking Penny was cheating on Leonard.

He did learn Tweepidock, though.

I don't know if it went anywhere after that.

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35 minutes ago, notchinc said:

She has multiple secret languages.  OP in S4 and "tweekpadok" in S7

I wonder which one they're using? I think it'd be cute and funny to hear either so I'm open to either!

As far as we know, Sheldon doesn't know about OP. And the other language, he may only know a few words Planko/Janko (one of them has the silent p'tang) and tweepadok.

8 hours ago, AllyAnne said:

If Amy thinks Sheldon only wants sex to make a baby, what good would a condom talk do?  She probably wants to make love with him when she knows that he wants her FOR her...not just for procreation.  And he hasn't made that clear.   

True. I did make that comment very early in the morning. I guess my morning brain wasn't thinking clearly.

Thanks. 

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36 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

Besides the fact that "Sheldon can't lie" is one of his personalities so he rarely lie to anybody, not only to Amy, didn't Sheldon lie about the same matter in season 6? When Amy suggested moving in with Sheldon, he used Penny as an excuse when it was both of them who didn't want to change the LA. Quote, "It's Penny's fault...She doesn’t want to live with Leonard, so he has to come live here again. She’s the snake in our garden. She’s the reason we can’t be happy."

And the proposal, see this is what baffles me, if he already wanted to propose in season 9, he should've been ready to live with Amy back then. Then why didn't he come up with the cohabitation experiment by himself? Moreover, why haven't we hear about the ring ever since? Why did it take so much persuasion for him to agree to the experiment? All his concerns, killing the romance etc, shouldn't he have already considered them back in season 8 before he wanted to propose? 

I never said Sheldon doesn't like living with Amy. On the contrary, we can tell he enjoys living with her based on 1004. But that doesn't mean them living in together is nothing more than an experiment in Amy's eyes. It's just if you see things from Amy's POV, she has reasons to have doubts. Of course that's no excuse of lying. But well, these two are always problematic. We can't expect them to behave nice and cute all the time.

I don't like Amy lying either, but for different reasons. As a Amy fan, there's always a shit storm preparing for Amy on Shamy thread whenever she does something wrong/questionable/sometimes even when she does nothing at all, and for some reason negative posts on Amy are never considered negative.

The thing is, we are all biased. If the position is reversed and Sheldon's the one who lies, would people still be furious? I think a lot would say it's sweet. Because those people just have more tolarence for him. And some people think Sheldon is doing the best he can so we should give him credit. I just don't agree. I think he can do a lot better. So to me, Amy lying is wrong. But it's totally understandable. And no, Sheldon is not perfect. He's done worse things than Amy lying and probably will do in the future too.

Do I think Sheldon is serious about Amy? Of course I do. But do I think Sheldon is doing the best he can to the point Amy should trust him enough to have no doubt? No.

Do I think what Sheldon does is worth all the credit people have been giving him? No, of course not. For starters, maybe next time he can come up with the idea of moving in together on his own. 

I completely understand that! And I love Amy! I'm not mad that she lied, just worried/disappointed about what it says about the state of their relationship. 

And he has taken initiative, in his own Sheldony way. If we compare him to a normal person, then no, he hasn't done anything especially great. But this is the same guy who didn't want to hold Amy's hand or call her his girlfriend for the longest time. 

 He was going to go ask Amy to marry him before he saw her with Dave. He went to her and begged for her to come back. He learned about sex from Penny and finally shared that with her. He shares a toothbrush holder with her and apologized for his behavior. He let go of the bathroom schedule. He prepares a brunch for her in 10x06. All these things are monumental for him. Of course, we as an audience see this more than Amy does, but I'm sure Amy can see that he appreciates her more now. 

Can he still be an ass? Absolutely. But I think he deserves credit for the fact that he's willing to touch her, provide her things she likes simply because she likes them, and make compromises for her. That's huge for him.

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1 hour ago, camelliayao said:

I don't like Amy lying either, but for different reasons. As a Amy fan, there's always a shit storm preparing for Amy on Shamy thread whenever she does something wrong/questionable/sometimes even when she does nothing at all, and for some reason negative posts on Amy are never considered negative.

:-( I hope that you didn't think that I was bashing Amy in my earlier post. She's the main reason why I started watching bbt. My questioning her motives was born out of my curiosity of the human nature and not intended to be accusatory towards her. I don't have a problem with her dishonesty. I'm just eager to watch the episode and understand the motive behind it. :-)

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4 hours ago, camelliayao said:

Besides the fact that "Sheldon can't lie" is one of his personalities so he rarely lie to anybody, not only to Amy, didn't Sheldon lie about the same matter in season 6? When Amy suggested moving in with Sheldon, he used Penny as an excuse when it was both of them who didn't want to change the LA. Quote, "It's Penny's fault...She doesn’t want to live with Leonard, so he has to come live here again. She’s the snake in our garden. She’s the reason we can’t be happy."

And the proposal, see this is what baffles me, if he already wanted to propose in season 9, he should've been ready to live with Amy back then. Then why didn't he come up with the cohabitation experiment by himself? Moreover, why haven't we hear about the ring ever since? Why did it take so much persuasion for him to agree to the experiment? All his concerns, killing the romance etc, shouldn't he have already considered them back in season 8 before he wanted to propose? 

I never said Sheldon doesn't like living with Amy. On the contrary, we can tell he enjoys living with her based on 1004. But that doesn't mean them living in together is nothing more than an experiment in Amy's eyes. It's just if you see things from Amy's POV, she has reasons to have doubts. Of course that's no excuse of lying. But well, these two are always problematic. We can't expect them to behave nice and cute all the time.

I don't like Amy lying either, but for different reasons. As a Amy fan, there's always a shit storm preparing for Amy on Shamy thread whenever she does something wrong/questionable/sometimes even when she does nothing at all, and for some reason negative posts on Amy are never considered negative.

The thing is, we are all biased. If the position is reversed and Sheldon's the one who lies, would people still be furious? I think a lot would say it's sweet. Because those people just have more tolarence for him. And some people think Sheldon is doing the best he can so we should give him credit. I just don't agree. I think he can do a lot better. So to me, Amy lying is wrong. But it's totally understandable. And no, Sheldon is not perfect. He's done worse things than Amy lying and probably will do in the future too.

Do I think Sheldon is serious about Amy? Of course I do. But do I think Sheldon is doing the best he can to the point Amy should trust him enough to have no doubt? No.

Do I think what Sheldon does is worth all the credit people have been giving him? No, of course not. For starters, maybe next time he can come up with the idea of moving in together on his own. 

When we got the title of the episode and we started discussing about what it would mean, one of the possibilities was indeed that Sheldon or Amy was going to lie to the other for continuing the experiment (BTW...I got it right, LOL!!!). Personally, I would have preferred it was Sheldon and, as you said, I would have found that very sweet, because it would have meant he really wanted to live with her. It would have made more sense story wise, too, since at the beginning it was Amy who had some doubts, very rightfully so, it was her very first experience in cohabiting and she started with Sheldon Cooper; it had made sense for Sheldon questioning whether she would have jumped on her first opportunity to return home. Amy lying to him, instead, seems to mean (I've not watched the episode yet, of course, so I can't say for sure) that she doesn't trust him enough (and, given his past and the fact that the ring is still in that safe I can understand that); that's why, I guess, he was very angry at her and apparently they fought very hard. So, overall, Sheldon's lie might have had a "nicer" explanation than Amy's lie. Anyway, as said yesterday, I'm also tired of the dynamics that was established in the couple lately, with Amy being always the "straight" man; that was a good opportunity to reverse that. They are both imperfect, they both lack in communication but of course both of them want to make it work.

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Oh, about the 'baby' thing: @koops has drawn my attention to an awesome thing. Shamy could have been 'growing' a brain in vitro from their skin cells. A Shamy brain! So when Sheldon was talking about dropping trou and making a baby, I think the 'baby' he was referring to was the brain made of their skin cells. And the rest referred to....well, the rest referred to exactly what we thought.

So by that light, I don't think Amy's put off because she thinks he only wants procreative sex. When she yelps that she doesn't want to get pregnant, she might just be saying 'Dude, no I do not want to have sex with you when you are frotting me at work or doing the flamenco or scattering rose petals or whatever other gruesome shit you thought up by putting TV Movies and romance novels in a blender!'

And I guess a little bit my original hypothesis that she freezes when she's actually in the water, so to speak. I spat nails at the back half of Season Nine, but - though the show had her fish for excuses to see Sheldon with his clothes off and hint at an oblivious Sheldon - she wasn't actually latching on to his jock-strap. Yes, the show went with 'hinting/oblivious' too often for my liking (i.e. more than zero times), but on average, I don't think sex is that high up Amy's list of priorities. I think having new experiences and being inducted into adulthood is quite high up her priorities, and to some extent those have been achieved. But also, I speculate that Amy was quite comfortable making out that she was this insatiable jade. There was comfort, too, in making innuendo that would sail harmlessly over her boyfriend's head, and that she'd never be expected to follow through on.

And now? Well, now her bluff has been called. Quite unconsciously, of course. But now there's no room for innuendo, because her boyfriend is not a man for innuendo, or for any wriggle room for obfuscation or plausible deniability. Now, it's time to pay or play. And quite possibly, Amy is thrown. She doesn't know what to do with this flamenco-dancing, gel-wearing changeling, no doubt. But also - cards on the table time.

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@wowbagger The TR explicitly states that Sheldon suggests making a real baby after their little experiment (Amy wants to incubate the cells and he's all "let's drop our pants and do this for real!") and that Amy turned him down because of that. There has been a post that clarified that exact point.

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1 minute ago, April said:

@wowbagger The TR explicitly states that Sheldon suggests making a real baby after their little experiment (Amy wants to incubate the cells and he's all "let's drop our pants and do this for real!") and that Amy turned him down because of that. There has been a post that clarified that exact point.

Ah, okay, cool, thanks. (thinks) I still think it works that Sheldon's remark is based off science with girlfriend==>sexiness==>sex, no? 

Could be that Amy thinks Sheldon's all about Sex For The Babies, but I still think quite a big component is that she struggles to get out of her own head a bit.

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2 hours ago, mirs1 said:

Personally, I would have preferred it was Sheldon and, as you said, I would have found that very sweet, because it would have meant he really wanted to live with her. It would have made more sense story wise, too, since at the beginning it was Amy who had some doubts, very rightfully so, it was her very first experience in cohabiting and she started with Sheldon Cooper; it had made sense for Sheldon questioning whether she would have jumped on her first opportunity to return home. Amy lying to him, instead, seems to mean (I've not watched the episode yet, of course, so I can't say for sure) that she doesn't trust him enough (and, given his past and the fact that the ring is still in that safe I can understand that); that's why, I guess, he was very angry at her and apparently they fought very hard. So, overall, Sheldon's lie might have had a "nicer" explanation than Amy's lie. 

Personally I would prefer is was Sheldon too, for different reasons like I said previously.

People say they don't like the storyline because it would bring questions to Shamy's relationship, that it may seems like Amy doesn't trust Sheldon enough.

I guess I'm Ok with the storyline because IMO there really are problems with their relationship. And I do too, not trust Sheldon 100%, at this point. I don't trust Amy 100% either. 

I think neither Sheldon and Amy is mature and ready enough as some of us may believe they are. Just three episodes before 1007, Amy wants to quit the experiment because of one sleepless night. Two episodes before ago, Sheldon actually tried to look for other women because of a toothbruth holder.

I believe Shamy are in a good place now. And I don't think there'll be another breakup. But they still have all sorts of problems waiting for them. But that does not diminish their love for each other. 

I guess I'm just more caucious when it comes to Shamy making progresses given their past "one-step-forward-three-steps-back" history. Sheldon trying to make the cohabitation experiment work? That's very nice of him. But does it mean Amy should trust him 100% because of this? No.

I think their relationship is far from reaching the status where both of them trust each other 100%. Sheldon haven't proposed yet. So should Amy get upset because it may feel like Sheldon doesn't trust her enough because he's still not over their breakup? I don't think so. Because Amy should know the break up indeed broke Sheldon's heart.

In a word, for me, what Amy does (aka lying) is 100% wrong. But is it understandable? Yes. She has every reason to feel insecure. Similarly, is Sheldon entitled of feeling hurt? Yes. Because what Amy does really does seem like she doesn't trust him.

But Sheldon and some fans of his may also need to know that trust needs time to build. It doesn't form in one day. Given his past behavior, it's only normal that Amy doesn't trust him now.

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9 minutes ago, wowbagger said:

Oh, about the 'baby' thing: @koops has drawn my attention to an awesome thing. Shamy could have been 'growing' a brain in vitro from their skin cells. A Shamy brain! So when Sheldon was talking about dropping trou and making a baby, I think the 'baby' he was referring to was the brain made of their skin cells. And the rest referred to....well, the rest referred to exactly what we thought.

So by that light, I don't think Amy's put off because she thinks he only wants procreative sex. When she yelps that she doesn't want to get pregnant, she might just be saying 'Dude, no I do not want to have sex with you when you are frotting me at work or doing the flamenco or scattering rose petals or whatever other gruesome shit you thought up by putting TV Movies and romance novels in a blender!'

And I guess a little bit my original hypothesis that she freezes when she's actually in the water, so to speak. I spat nails at the back half of Season Nine, but - though the show had her fish for excuses to see Sheldon with his clothes off and hint at an oblivious Sheldon - she wasn't actually latching on to his jock-strap. Yes, the show went with 'hinting/oblivious' too often for my liking (i.e. more than zero times), but on average, I don't think sex is that high up Amy's list of priorities. I think having new experiences and being inducted into adulthood is quite high up her priorities, and to some extent those have been achieved. But also, I speculate that Amy was quite comfortable making out that she was this insatiable jade. There was comfort, too, in making innuendo that would sail harmlessly over her boyfriend's head, and that she'd never be expected to follow through on.

And now? Well, now her bluff has been called. Quite unconsciously, of course. But now there's no room for innuendo, because her boyfriend is not a man for innuendo, or for any wriggle room for obfuscation or plausible deniability. Now, it's time to pay or play. And quite possibly, Amy is thrown. She doesn't know what to do with this flamenco-dancing, gel-wearing changeling, no doubt. But also - cards on the table time.

That would explain the title (which baffled me a bit...), thanks for sharing! And, it makes for a hell of an experiment, too, no wonder Sheldon was so turned on!!! I agree that Amy being so "shy" on this occasion has much to do with her character and with the fact Sheldon's attentions are so over the top. She clearly didn't expect that...I feel she is much more at ease when she's in control of the situation. For example, she was perfectly at ease in 9.11 when she set her living room with candles and music and took the initiative in kissing Sheldon, but when the ball was not entirely in her court, in the bedroom, she really freaked out, and that was the sweetest part of the episode for me...Now it's everything Sheldon's doing and, as you said, those are no innuendos, the guy knows exactly what he is doing. She has gone through a lot of changes, probably it's natural she is a bit scared; I guess that, as in Opening Night, Sheldon will step up and reassure her at some point, I hope not so far away!

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1 minute ago, wowbagger said:

Ah, okay, cool, thanks. (thinks) I still think it works that Sheldon's remark is based off science with girlfriend==>sexiness==>sex, no? 

Could be that Amy thinks Sheldon's all about Sex For The Babies, but I still think quite a big component is that she struggles to get out of her own head a bit.

As I said in some post of mine yesterday, I think this whole "science with Amy = sexy" thing they have been going on for several episodes now kinda got tangled up with that specific experiment of combining their cells, and his poor hormone ridden brain jumped right into the wrong conclusion that since combining their DNA got him aroused it's all "Oh that's like making babies, let's do that!" I mean, obviously Sheldon is turned on by Amy a lot in these recent episodes. But I think he's still needing to get used to the idea that yes, even the great Sheldon Cooper is not above baser urges. He'll figure it out.

I actually do agree with you that even the baby making idea aside Amy is probably still getting used to Sheldon being so over the top affectionate lately. Sheldon trying to seduce her with all those romance clichés would have probably shocked her either way. LOL

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