Ship Zone [Spoilers] Shamy: Season 10

[mirs1]

2 hours ago, serenaded214 said:

Hello everyone! Love the shamy, my favorite tv couple of all time!

Prior to reading that thread, I honestly though that Sheldon was the most loved character, and that people understood his character. I guess not.

I'm glad a found this thread. I love the entire cast. So I'll stay out of the season thread, and stay here instead. You guys are my new family. Lol

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Welcome! I wish you enjoy your time here, we all get craaaazy about Shamy!!! Join us with the Shamy craziness! The DT can be interesting too, all opinions are allowed (even the negative ones about this or that character, of course they have to be respectful of the single poster) and you can discuss about the show in general, while here you can post your supportive comments about Shamy! Anyway, we do have a lot of fun here!

 

ETA:

Amy's harp in 4B!!! That was all I wanted to see!

3 minutes ago, luminous said:

I guess this is from today's rehearsal

Note Amy's harp in the background

 

Thank you @luminous, that makes our Shamy hearts so happy!!!

Edited January 5, 2017 by mirs1

[April]

15 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

Welcome! I wish you enjoy your time here, we all get craaaazy about Shamy!!! Join us with the Shamy craziness! The DT can be interesting too, all opinions are allowed (even the negative ones about this or that character, of course they have to be respectful of the single poster) and you can discuss about the show in general, while here you can post your supportive comments about Shamy! Anyway, we do have a lot of fun here!

From me as well: Welcome @serenaded214!! :D

15 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

Amy0s harp in 4B!!!

Thank you @luminous, that makes our Shamy hearts so happy!!!

OMG YESSSS!!! :D

[mirs1]

4 minutes ago, April said:

OMG YESSSS!!! :D

That was the only thing missing, now 4B is perfect!!! It's Sheldon's and Amy's home!!!

[spidergirl]

21 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

Welcome! I wish you enjoy your time here, we all get craaaazy about Shamy!!! Join us with the Shamy craziness! The DT can be interesting too, all opinions are allowed (even the negative ones about this or that character, of course they have to be respectful of the single poster) and you can discuss about the show in general, while here you can post your supportive comments about Shamy! Anyway, we do have a lot of fun here!

 

ETA:

Amy's harp in 4B!!! That was all I wanted to see!

Thank you @luminous, that makes our Shamy hearts so happy!!!

Oh man, I am so happy for Amy's harp being there!! I am trembling with fan hapiness, as this kind of close the circle of shamy past with shamy present , you know.

[luminous]

Hello my Shamy friends.  I thought I give you a little gif as an attunement for tonight's new episode.

 

Edited January 5, 2017 by luminous

[spidergirl]

2 minutes ago, luminous said:

Hello my Shamy friends.  I thought I give you little gif as an attunement for tonight's new episode.

Thank you so much, Martin! Love that scene, hand holding  *sigh*

I dare to make you an honorable member of this thread

[anicez]

OMG I'm so happy we have new episode today!

Tomorrow is special day in Spain " The three Magic Kings" (Our Santa) so now I'm going to sleep and tomorrow I'll have a magic day of presents and a new episode of my favorite show! I'm like a child again!! 

long live to Shamy!

See you tomorrow friends! 

[spidergirl]

4 minutes ago, anicez said:

OMG I'm so happy we have new episode today!

Tomorrow is special day in Spain " The three Magic Kings" (Our Santa) so now I'm going to sleep and tomorrow I'll have a magic day of presents and a new episode of my favorite show! I'm like a child again!! 

long live to Shamy!

See you tomorrow friends! 

That sounds fun for such special occasion. Have a happy Three Magic kings day!

Looking foward to reading your thoughts about shamy! 

[Jonny]

Yeah seeing Amy's harp in 4B is like the final cherry on top in regards to the move. Been waiting to see it finally turn up there! 

LOL they should do a sing along night like they used to do, Lenny hearing it through the door of 4A wondering what the hell is going on lol. Could have Leonard working at his desk and humming along to it. Of course I believe Mayim has difficulty playing it since the car accident but they could play a taped version and that could be just background noise, you could just hear them singing. Would be adorkable lol.

Anyway, very happy to see it there in its rightful place now. 

Edited January 6, 2017 by Jonny

[mirs1]

As I expected, I have mixed feelings about Shamy in this episode. Shamy are at their best when they show their classical "alone-againt-the-world"-attitude, and in the episode there was some of it. I liked the scenes in 4A, at the kitchen island when they were alternating in telling Lenny what had happened in Texas (minus, of course the unnerving references to the magic juice, I can't even think how in the world it is supposed to be funny!) and at the couch when all the gang was there and many times Sheldon spoke to Amy for saying something odd, which she kinda got. I liked also them in the scenes with Mary, minus of course Sheldon with his underwear over his head, which anyway played out better than I thought.

However, as I have already said, I was not ok with Amy spilling the beans about them living together and I was looking forward the scene where Shamy were alone in the car, to get an explanation for that. That was, to me, the most disappointing part of the episode. The explanation Amy gave made no sense whatsoever. Sheldon doesn't understand other people's feelings, we all know that, but what has it to do with anything? He didn't want to tell his mother about living in sin with Amy because, giving her Christian background and the way she had behaved with other family members in the same situation, he didn't want to hear a preach about hell and damnation. I can go as far as thinking that he has always been afraid of his mother (his Kryptonite) so he didn't want to admit to her he did something she doesn't approve of. That has nothing to do with reading the room. Actually, Sheldon was pretty good at reading the room with Mary in this episode. He soon realized there was something wrong behind her "trilled" attitude towards cohabitation and asked for more info, and he was also very quick in understanding that Mary thinks Amy is "peculiar" too. It was Amy that had  problems in reading the room to me. She was happy that Mary had nothing against them living together and that was enough. I also didn't particularly like Mary in the episode, her words were too harsh, much more than the natural concerns of a mother which doesn't have an open mind and lives in a very conservative environment. I was glad she didn't have towards Amy the attitude "Thank you for saving my little boy from dying alone, you are too good for him!"; she thinks Amy is with Sheldon because they are both weirdos, which is exactly what we like about them, they are two pees in a pod.

Anyway, bumps in the road are to be expected, it can't be rainbows and unicorns all the time so now I'm looking forward the next episode, in hopefully two weeks, it sounds much better on paper. In the meantime, there's something else I've noticed in the picture luminous posted about 4B. Weeks ago we were wondering about what there was on the top of the bookshelf near the bedroom door, it looked like the train Amy had in her apartment, but the pics at our disposal at the time were too blurry to determine it. Well...it is Amy's train!!! Can 4B get any better?

 

 

[spidergirl]

1 hour ago, mirs1 said:

As I expected, I have mixed feelings about Shamy in this episode. Shamy are at their best when they show their classical "alone-againt-the-world"-attitude, and in the episode there was some of it. I liked the scenes in 4A, at the kitchen island when they were alternating in telling Lenny what had happened in Texas (minus, of course the unnerving references to the magic juice, I can't even think how in the world it is supposed to be funny!) and at the couch when all the gang was there and many times Sheldon spoke to Amy for saying something odd, which she kinda got. I liked also them in the scenes with Mary, minus of course Sheldon with his underwear over his head, which anyway played out better than I thought.

However, as I have already said, I was not ok with Amy spilling the beans about them living together and I was looking forward the scene where Shamy were alone in the car, to get an explanation for that. That was, to me, the most disappointing part of the episode. The explanation Amy gave made no sense whatsoever. Sheldon doesn't understand other people's feelings, we all know that, but what has it to do with anything? He didn't want to tell his mother about living in sin with Amy because, giving her Christian background and the way she had behaved with other family members in the same situation, he didn't want to hear a preach about hell and damnation. I can go as far as thinking that he has always been afraid of his mother (his Kryptonite) so he didn't want to admit to her he did something she doesn't approve of. That has nothing to do with reading the room. Actually, Sheldon was pretty good at reading the room with Mary in this episode. He soon realized there was something wrong behind her "trilled" attitude towards cohabitation and asked for more info, and he was also very quick in understanding that Mary thinks Amy is "peculiar" too. It was Amy that had  problems in reading the room to me. She was happy that Mary had nothing against them living together and that was enough. I also didn't particularly like Mary in the episode, her words were too harsh, much more than the natural concerns of a mother which doesn't have an open mind and lives in a very conservative environment. I was glad she didn't have towards Amy the attitude "Thank you for saving my little boy from dying alone, you are too good for him!"; she thinks Amy is with Sheldon because they are both weirdos, which is exactly what we like about them, they are two pees in a pod.

Anyway, bumps in the road are to be expected, it can't be rainbows and unicorns all the time so now I'm looking forward the next episode, in hopefully two weeks, it sounds much better on paper. In the meantime, there's something else I've noticed in the picture luminous posted about 4B. Weeks ago we were wondering about what there was on the top of the bookshelf near the bedroom door, it looked like the train Amy had in her apartment, but the pics at our disposal at the time were too blurry to determine it. Well...it is Amy's train!!! Can 4B get any better?

 

 

Well, I think for the first time since I stepped in to this forum, I need to push the "support alarm" of this thread.  

Gosh, it was disapointing in shamy front, can't help myself of feeling like this. I agree with @mirs1 thoughts about the episode but I have some dificulty at the moment  to express by my own words what I thought of the plotline, you know.

As said @mirs1 and well, bumps on the road are to be expected and it can't  be rainbows and unicorns all the time but Amy drugging Sheldon was the last thing I would expect the show wrote  for them . Mary scenes with shamy  have been always so good and funny and this time what can be saved from them was Sheldon standing up for himself. But then he did it in worst way, I expected he would make a point with the silly undies scene and we did not even got a conclusion scene between Mary, Amy and Sheldon for we see his point. And last but not least, what was that car scene dialogue? Where were Amy and Sheldon from last 11 episodes?

I have only seen them in hand touching scene. 

I guess I have to rewatch the episode a few more times before a more complete analysis. 

And looking foward to seeing 10.13, for getting a chance of forgetting this feeling on my heart.

[April]

Hello everyone!!

Overall I thought the episode wasn't too bad - it had some funny moments and some really heart warming. So I actually quite liked it but it won't be anywhere near my favourites of this season. Anyway, time to compile my Shamy thoughts on 10x12:

- Amy dealing with Sheldon during travel by drugging him with some special juice is probably the most tone deaf joke with regards to the whole "managing Sheldon" thing that has been a running gag on the show. Ugh. It certainly doesn't help that it's not really called out as it deserves to be. You can tell that Sheldon doesn't exactly approve by his reactions but god damn, boy, say something!

- I like that you can tell Sheldon really has a better understanding of his home turf and how his mother thinks than Amy does who's a little naive about all of this. He's right to expect the "fire and brimstone" lecture and when it doesn't come he knows something is up. Like @mirs1 already said he's really good at reading the room here. I've said for while now that he is aware when people make these belittling comments about him and I'm happy to see him finally taking someone to task about it. He has matured a lot in the past years and I guess it's fitting that him standing up for himself like that starts with his mother.

- Mary herself is probably at her least likeable in this which is saying a lot since she's always one of my faves. I can deal with her well-meaning but misguided comment about being happy that Sheldon finally found someone. But her doubling down on the "specialness" of his situation and insulting Amy in process is a bit much. Jeez, lady, what even!?

- Then the controversial "underwear-gate" (thanks for that, @mirs1, it's still amusing me!) has been much ado about nothing for me. I'm baffled by the idea that he's regressing to a toddler that has been thrown around when this is the typical reaction you'd see from a teenager. Sheldon is even spelling it out in the episode: he's intentionally behaving odd that way because he never really had that rebellious teenager phase so he's showing his mother what that would look like. It may not be the most mature way to deal with her insults but there's a logic to this madness and I can appreciate that. It's certainly a step forward to early seasons when he really would regress to a kid as a coping mechanism or be overwhelmed with anxiety issues - but he isn't doing that here. It's an important distinction, imho.

- Shamy in the car then is again a mixed bag of some good stuff and some not-so-good. The good stuff again is for me Sheldon making a stand and calling her out for "managing the situation" without him. I can see where Amy is coming from but if she wants to help him as she claims then it needs to happen with his cooperation and not by going behind his back. I like that at least she acknowledges that he's helping her with her shortcomings in return - I just wish the writers would actually show that a bit more. They could have started right here by letting Amy apologise or at least agree to work things out with him together in the future.

- Anyway, the pirate comment and Sheldon's reaction were cute so at least we got that. I also liked Sheldon comforting Bernie.

Bottom line:

May main takeaway here really is Sheldon standing up for himself and wanting be respected as an adult. Even if he goes out and tries to prove his point in an immature way for me it makes enough sense that it doesn't take away from his very valid points.

The second big thing I take away from this is that it really underlines Amy's immaturity as well. People are saying that she's the adult in this relationship but Sheldon has been more mature here than she was. Amy was still pretty naive thinking everything will be fine cause she "managed" the situation but that's not how it works and it pretty much blows up in her face when not only it turns out Mary isn't thinking as highly of her as she thought she does but also Sheldon isn't happy about being managed. She has good intentions, sure, but it's not a way to deal with her relationship and she needs to trust Sheldon's judgement as well as her own. I hope she learned a lesson or two from this.

Last but not least, yes, it's a bit annoying that the show goes out of its way and use cheap gags to bring in some humour. I can totally understand why anyone would rather they all sit down and talk this out as mature adults. But I guess you need to find a way to make it funny and that's the way they tried to do just that. (How successful is of course subjective.) As said yesterday, I do hope though that with the emphasis on Sheldon rejecting being treated like a kid they put these outrageous tantrums of the past to rest forever. So personally I'm not bothered at all cause especially after the big coitus 2.0 episode I expected some "Sheldon will always be Sheldon" humour. I also can appreciate the good things about this episode as outlined above so I'll be curious how they deal with that in the future.

[Jonny]

I thought the Shamy story was the weakest of the three if I am honest, but we have had a lot of Shamy goodness this season and not every episode is going to great on that front.

- The drugging Sheldon gag bothered me most in this episode. I don't know why the writers felt they had to put that in there, he managed to travel with Howard reasonably ok to Texas in the past. As expected Leonard threw in a gag about 'telling me the recipe' for when they next travel to comic con. UGH! If that had happened to me I would have been so PISSED OFF!

- I fully understood Sheldon's reluctance to tell his mother, especially when he gave the examples of how his mother reacted when his siblings had a partner that they started living with. Sheldon grew up in a bible bashing household, something I think Amy probably doesn't understand, or did she because of her own mother's religious beliefs? But that's a whole 'we don't know anything really' situation, no canon to fall back on.

- I think Mary would have been happy if they had told her there and then but Sheldon was right he would have also got some religious stuff throw at him about it.

- I get what Mary was saying but that's the sort of thing you don't say to someone so I get why Sheldon was mad. That train metaphor was so cruel, privately she can think that he might end up alone as he never took any real interest in women before Amy, but publicly she should never had said that. But his mother has always been like that, rather outspoken and can be very blunt and direct.

- The pants on the head and the fins were silly but I get Sheldon's point. However maybe the better thing would have been to come back tell Mary and Amy why they had hurt him and they talked it out. Instead he went in that direction, I guess they wanted more comedy so they had Sheldon do that instead of talking it out.

- I could understand Amy and why she thought she was doing the right thing in essence she wanted to neutralize an issue that could have caused trouble or stress on their trip. But she was wrong to do so, as Sheldon said in the car "I have got much better at that" when they were talking about managing life. She should have let him broach the subject and let him resolve it in his own way.

 

I think and hope this was a bit of a learning experience for both of them especially Amy. I know posters have been calling for moments when Amy has been the one to fuck up and Sheldon was in the right and Amy in the wrong and this was one of them.

What was it the line that Amy said towards the end of the flashback in the car:

"You and I are in a relationship. I help you with your shortcomings and you help me with mine".

An acceptance from Amy that she has her own shortcomings as well, but there are times when you can't force things or intervene. I think Amy at the end of the trips realizes that.

Oh and a final note and going back to the first point, I will kill the writers if they end up drugging Sheldon again. Not literally but I will not be a happy bunny if it comes back up.

Edited January 6, 2017 by Jonny

[spidergirl]

I can appreciate the shamy good things about this episode, which I think it had a few ones, honestly.  What shocked me mostly was the drugg thing. Amy smiling for had done it, Sheldon getting it was something strange about it and didnt say anything for clearify that. Sheldon had gone to Texas before without drugs, why would he need it now? My problem is with writers for this specific tip, not with my beloved couple.

The car scene has indeed much to be analysed, as it has also good points like how Sheldon has been maturing, and how Amy does her best to not complicate things for Sheldon. However, she can't do that all the time, as certain things need to be worked together as a couple, not like as if was a mother who needs to soft the reality in some way to her child. Amy need to trust more in Sheldon's judgement, it is something that she needs to working on and I believe we would see that soon.

Other thing I liked in car scene was they were having a serious conversion about their relationship. There were times that we barely dare to expect Sheldon would do that oneday and there they go, helping  each other with their shortcomings. I am very proud of Sheldon and Amy , as always.

Work  is crazy today too, I just can take a sneak once in while here.

Can not wait for have decent time for doing a more complete review about shamy in this episode.

 

 

Edited January 6, 2017 by spidergirl

[YellowMugBlueMug]

After amazing Shamy stories in previous episodes this season, this episode feels kinda flat for me. I didn't care for this Amy who thinks that she knows better and hope she won't be coming back (or at least, not too often).

I'd feel much better about Shamy plot in this episode if they would have scene where Amy sincerelly apologizes Sheldon for going behind his back and promise to always include him in decisions. But, well, what can you do.

I'm really looking forward to next episode though, it sounds really great on paper. It will air in two weeks, right? I heard that next week there's a rerun.

(EDIT: and also inconsistency: Sheldon touched Stuart 6 episodes earlier)

Edited January 6, 2017 by YellowMugBlueMug

[veejay]

A lot of disappointment here in the house, understandable ..

Who wants to use Amy's magic juice.

(No, I'm not making fun of someone here!)

[Jonny]

10 minutes ago, veejay said:

A lot of disappointment here in the house, understandable ..

Who wants to use Amy's magic juice.

(No, I'm not making fun of someone here!)

I can only speak for myself but I am not that down about it. Sure there are things I didn't like seeing but we have had so much Shamy goodness this season that it was inevitable there would take a step back at some point. They are not perfect (nobody is) and the writers have to remind us every so often. Like Jim said it would be boring if things went smoothly all the time.

They seemed happy enough after telling their story and I know they are in a great place in the next episode so nothing to worry about imo. 

Edited January 6, 2017 by Jonny

[April]

21 minutes ago, Jonny said:

I can only speak for myself but I am not that down about it. Sure there are things I didn't like seeing but we have had so much Shamy goodness this season that it was inevitable there would take a step back at some point. They are not perfect (nobody is) and the writers have to remind us every so often. Like Jim said it would be boring if things went smoothly all the time.

They seemed happy enough after telling their story and I know they are in a great place in the next episode so nothing to worry about imo. 

Yeah, I'm fine too. (And I'm not touching Amy's magic juice with a ten foot pole! LOL)

I would say I'd be surprised by some of the negative reactions but then again it's not my first day on here. I think it's really one of those situations where the writers had to twist the narrative to get to a certain joke but of course that's jarring when people feel the punchline wasn't all worth it.

Like you say, in the end they seemed to be fine and in the next episode they seem to be really fine so this one comes off like a story that reminds the audience how they still have a lot to learn in their relationship.

And like you said in your other post I think it's good that the story is showing Amy's weaknesses as well. I would love if we get an episode in the future with the two really working on her issues for a change. Like, there is some sort of episode conflict but instead of "managing" the situation Amy makes an effort to solve this with Sheldon together even if it might be more difficult - which could still lead to hilarious side effects for comedy but in the end they make it through this together and it will be all the more satisfying. Or it could be something where she genuinely needs his help - where trying to "manage" it alone doesn't work and things become easier once she's honest with Sheldon. Either way a storyline like this would be wonderful!

[Jonny]

I'll get over the drugging thing as long as it was a one off occurrence, it's a shady thing to do in my view but if people found it funny then fair enough.

On a side note I found it funny when Sheldon kind of said Amy deflowered him lol. When you hear that term it usually is in reference to a woman losing her virginity not a male. Penny's reaction was funny to the comment as well.

So do we think there is a good chance that Sheldon is going to get involved with Amy's family somehow? It wouldn't be the first time the show has left a clue for a future storyline. Sheldon wont forget that exchange in the car and Amy's comments about him not showing any interest. I could see something happening on that front, well the writers at least have laid some groundwork so to speak in this episode should they wish to do it.

[spidergirl]

I am fine about  the episode as a whole , but at first impact some things got me shocked, caught me off guard, you know. Had anyone ever felt in that way about one episode , even most of people would be fine about that?

Guilty here.

I have just needed more time to process the tip that schocked me. But maybe I am too sensitive . My apologies if my post were disturbing in some way.

You know how I am about shamy, I won't  loose my enthusiasm and love for them because of that.  Bad things or less happy things make part of character's lives. They indeed make the plotline more realistic but maybe my expectations were too high after 10.11 and then my shock for such less happy tip, as drugging someone.  I promise I will just go back here with what most liked about the episode list, as this is a ship zone.

[kimbee73]

Okay so my thoughts on last night's Shamy part of the episode:

I do agree it was the weakest part of the show because Lenny was hysterical and Howardette was adorable.

I didn't mind the underwear on his head. I feel that definitely came out better than it sounded on the TR. The screaming with the ear piercing was funny once not three times. Sheldon can't travel, we get it, no need to drug him unaware(not saying he doesn't need something. I know many people that do). That is just wrong. Although I did like Leonard's line about what the funny juice was for comic con trip.

Amy telling Mary did not anger me like it did some others(And I get why you don't like it). I think she wanted to soften the blow even if Sheldon thought he knew what she would say. Mary saying that she never thought he would find someone actually didn't surprise me and her saying Amy was weird also not surprising. She did call her unique the first time they met. In my opinion Mary wouldn't preach to him just because of what he saw being done on that couch. Although it seems like the writers forget that episode because to me Sheldon has the perfect comeback whenever Mary brings up living in sin or not doing something like sleeping with Leonard's father(though we know they didn't).

All in all not a perfect episode for Shamy though it did seem they were happy at the end.

[mirs1]

52 minutes ago, Jonny said:

So do we think there is a good chance that Sheldon is going to get involved with Amy's family somehow? It wouldn't be the first time the show has left a clue for a future storyline. Sheldon wont forget that exchange in the car and Amy's comments about him not showing any interest. I could see something happening on that front, well the writers at least have laid some groundwork so to speak in this episode should they wish to do it.

I think the occasion might come up when Sheldon propose. This, according to a Jim's interview to ET might happen (and I quote) "Anytime now", so maybe we are near to know something more about Mrs. Fowler. Actually I would love if Amy's family features  first in an episode not strictly related to Shamy engagement, it would be useful to deepen Amy's background and understand better her character. I'm not holding my breath for that, though, since the writers have ignored her family up to now I don't think they will introduce them without a reason in S. 10+. 

[serena_1995]

53 minutes ago, April said:

Yeah, I'm fine too. (And I'm not touching Amy's magic juice with a ten foot pole! LOL)

I would say I'd be surprised by some of the negative reactions but then again it's not my first day on here. I think it's really one of those situations where the writers had to twist the narrative to get to a certain joke but of course that's jarring when people feel the punchline wasn't all worth it.

Like you say, in the end they seemed to be fine and in the next episode they seem to be really fine so this one comes off like a story that reminds the audience how they still have a lot to learn in their relationship.

And like you said in your other post I think it's good that the story is showing Amy's weaknesses as well. I would love if we get an episode in the future with the two really working on her issues for a change. Like, there is some sort of episode conflict but instead of "managing" the situation Amy makes an effort to solve this with Sheldon together even if it might be more difficult - which could still lead to hilarious side effects for comedy but in the end they make it through this together and it will be all the more satisfying. Or it could be something where she genuinely needs his help - where trying to "manage" it alone doesn't work and things become easier once she's honest with Sheldon. Either way a storyline like this would be wonderful!

I am not sure i agree that they showed Amy's weaknesses. Im all for Amy screwing up once in a while,  but in 10x12, I  don't think we are meant to think Amy was wrong. IMO the writers  think that Amy is correct and Sheldon is wrong. Otherwise don't you think the writers would have had Amy acknowledge what she did was wrong and apologize to Sheldon or atleast tell him she will be more honest with him in the future  ?  I felt the narrative was that Sheldon was once again the crazy irrational one  (not that im disagreeing lol) and that Amy was justified.   i felt that they were condoning Amy and Mary in 10x12.  If the show doesn't treat a character's screw ups as screw ups, and is blind to their faults, then its a bit difficult to treat them as faults too. I guess that is a problem with Sheldon too.

This was very  different in Veracity Elasticity,  where Amy did apologize and acknowledge that. Or Line Substitution Solution,  where Sheldon's apology was in the script and he said he won't do it again . 

Having said that, i understand where   Amy was coming from, but it could have handled better by letting her acknowledge that Sheldon is changing and her mothering or controlling is not needed in the future. 

[kimbee73]

9 minutes ago, serena_1995 said:

I am not sure i agree that they showed Amy's weaknesses. Im all for Amy screwing up once in a while,  but in 10x12, I  don't think we are meant to think Amy was wrong. IMO the writers  think that Amy is correct and Sheldon is wrong. Otherwise don't you think the writers would have had Amy acknowledge what she did was wrong and apologize to Sheldon or atleast tell him she will be more honest with him in the future  ?  I felt the narrative was that Sheldon was once again the crazy irrational one  (not that im disagreeing lol) and that Amy was justified.   i felt that they were condoning Amy and Mary in 10x12.  If the show doesn't treat a character's screw ups as screw ups, and is blind to their faults, then its a bit difficult to treat them as faults too. I guess that is a problem with Sheldon too.

This was very  different in Veracity Elasticity,  where Amy did apologize and acknowledge that. Or Line Substitution Solution,  where Sheldon's apology was in the script and he said he won't do it again . 

Having said that, i understand where   Amy was coming from, but it could have handled better by letting her acknowledge that Sheldon is changing and her mothering or controlling is not needed in the future. 

In my opinion it is a weakness but one that Amy didn't believe was one she had. I think she thought she was softening the blow and when she told Sheldon didn't understand why he was upset. She didn't think she did anything wrong, which is a weakness. She knows Sheldon can't read people(a fault he has admitted to) but one he does know and can read is his mother. And in actuality he was wrong about her response also, so he didn't read her as well as he thought.  Amy thought she was trying to help but actually hurt the situation more because Sheldon knew something was up right away.

 

[April]

8 minutes ago, serena_1995 said:

I am not sure i agree that they showed Amy's weaknesses. Im all for Amy screwing up once in a while,  but in 10x12, I  don't think we are meant to think Amy was wrong. IMO the writers  think that Amy is correct and Sheldon is wrong. Otherwise don't you think the writers would have had Amy acknowledge what she did was wrong and apologize to Sheldon or atleast tell him she will be more honest with him in the future  ?  I felt the narrative was that Sheldon was once again the crazy irrational one  (not that im disagreeing lol) and that Amy was justified.   i felt that they were condoning Amy and Mary in 10x12.  If the show doesn't treat a character's screw ups as screw ups, and is blind to their faults, then its a bit difficult to treat them as faults too. I guess that is a problem with Sheldon too.

This was very  different in Veracity Elasticity,  where Amy did apologize and acknowledge that. Or Line Substitution Solution,  where Sheldon's apology was in the script and he said he won't do it again . 

Having said that, i understand where   Amy was coming from, but it could have handled better by letting her acknowledge that Sheldon is changing and her mothering or controlling is not needed in the future. 

I don't disagree that it wasn't handled particularly well. As I said in my other post I think what the episode really needed was indeed some sort of acknowledgement of wrong doing from Amy or her agreeing to do better in the future. But she clearly didn't handle the situation well - she thought she had everything under control and it blew up in her face. The way it played out I didn't get the feeling that the show is telling me "Look how great Amy is handling everything!" because she didn't. And in fact it's outright saying that she's just as much of a weirdo as Sheldon is - just in a different way.

As for Sheldon I have a hard time seeing him as the "crazy irrational one" here cause what he said and what he did just made too much sense to me - underwear and all. He is rightfully upset about his mother's attitude - both towards him (however well meaning that might have been on her part) but also on behalf of Amy (and I really love the little "told ya so" moment that acknowledges he was totally right). He literally says he's doing the rebellious teenager thing to prove a point. It may not be the most mature way to deal with the situation but "doing stupid shit to prove you're oh so grown up" is a typical teenager thing so he certainly nailed that. LOL As weird as it sounds the show made sure to let us know that he's not throwing a random tantrum like he would have had in early episodes but that he's in control of the situation and decides to let it play out in a certain way. We're beyond the toddler stage so I count our blessings and mark that down as a win.

All in all I think this is a "show don't tell" situation that could have benefited from a bit more "telling".