Ship Zone [Spoilers] Shamy: Season 10

[Jonny]

I had zero problem with Sheldon in this episode. I understood where he was coming from and some of the motivations for his actions, yes even the underwear on his head.

Actually thought he came out of any drama in this episode and any silly escalations better than Mary or Amy in this one.

[Soopysue]

Hello all ! We're away in London so just checking in, haven't caught up with all posts yet !
Anyway I enjoyed last night ep, Shamy against all others, quirks & all - cute !
I especially liked how it was addressed both Sheldon & Amy had areas they didn't excel at but they both helped each other through those ! Adorable !
Catch up soon !


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[April]

3 minutes ago, Soopysue said:

Hello all ! We're away in London so just checking in, haven't caught up with all posts yet !
Anyway I enjoyed last night ep, Shamy against all others, quirks & all - cute !
I especially liked how it was addressed both Sheldon & Amy had areas they didn't excel at but they both helped each other through those ! Adorable !
Catch up soon !

Have a great time in London!! <3

[RJ1013]

My Shamy thoughts from this week’s episode:

- Sheldon’s mom was willing to look beyond her strongly held religious convictions because her son’s happiness was so important to her and because she was happy for him. She chose to express that in about the worst possible way, of course, but it was a way that reminded me of the way that Sheldon sometimes phrases things. We can see where his tendency to bluntly say the wrong thing comes from.

- It was nice to see Sheldon stand up for himself. In earlier seasons, there were times when he seemed to relish being treated like a child, and I’m happy to see that his mindset has changed. His little rebellions weren’t the best way to show his adultness, but I liked the underlying motivation. Earlier this season, he explicitly told Amy “You aren’t my mother” and “I’m not a child”. I’m glad to see that being reinforced, though it was unfortunate that the writers buried it under his immature actions. I suppose the contrast between his behavior and the point he was trying to make was the intended source of humor, but I guess it didn’t quite line up with my own sense of humor.

- Amy’s reasons for telling Mary behind his back were well-intentioned, as I had expected. She was willing to take the brunt of Mary’s potential wrath because she thought that she would be better able to deal with that social situation, and she admitted that she has strengths and weaknesses just like Sheldon. Despite her intent, it was not the right thing to do. It was not her place to go behind his back and do that, and I was glad that Sheldon called her out on it. An apology was warranted, and by not having her do so, I found the resolution for this part of the episode quite lacking. 

- I liked that Amy wasn’t as socially adept as she thought she was. She hadn’t been able to tell that Mary’s words to Sheldon also implied that she thought of Amy as weird. It was a neat reminder of early-seasons Amy and how similar she still is to Sheldon. 

- The ‘special juice’ joke was not okay. It’s a serious enough matter that it should not have been used like that, with no reason for her behavior and no acknowledgement that it was wrong. I don’t know how such a large group of writers could have found that to be a good idea.

- It seems like there’s casual contact (if not more) almost every week now. That’s so different and nice to see for them. Regardless of marital status, they feel very permanent now, going to visit family together on the holiday. It seemed like Mary thought of their relationship as permanent too.

- It made me smile to see Sheldon walk out of 4A with everyone else at the end of the episode, a tiny reminder that it is no longer his home. 

[spidergirl]

Back home finaly...

Meanwhile I share with you a meaningful shamy moment from last night episode. Sheldon hurt Amy and his eyes show worry for that. He did not mean to  hurt Amy's feelings  and can be aware of that.  

 

See you later 

[joyceraye]

6 hours ago, kimbee73 said:

In my opinion it is a weakness but one that Amy didn't believe was one she had. I think she thought she was softening the blow and when she told Sheldon didn't understand why he was upset. She didn't think she did anything wrong, which is a weakness. She knows Sheldon can't read people(a fault he has admitted to) but one he does know and can read is his mother. And in actuality he was wrong about her response also, so he didn't read her as well as he thought.  Amy thought she was trying to help but actually hurt the situation more because Sheldon knew something was up right away.

 

I agree. I also read more into it. Amy has her own relationship with Mary. She's on Mary's prayer list, as we know from 9.01 when Sheldon told his mother to take her off it. They've always got on. Even Mary's mother acknowledges Mary's OK with Amy. Amy's position is undefined, though : she's not Mary's daughter-in-law, she's not family at all, but may or may not become so. Does that give Amy the right, when they're talking, to keep the truth from Mary ? I can see how Amy would be in an awkward position regarding that. I would guess many women in her shoes would decide it's the son's place to tell his own mother, but to prepare his mother for the shock so she can have her response prepared. Mary should perhaps have forewarned Amy what she was going to say to Sheldon - and we don't know whether she did or not. Informing Mary beforehand also gave her the chance to withdraw the invitation had she been so inclined so it was a fair thing to do. From Mary's POV if I'd not been tipped off  I'd have asked Amy, ' Why didn't you warn me ?'  if I was on the receiving end of Sheldon's bombshell.

Even better would have been for Amy to have discussed it with Sheldon first ! They must have known weeks ago that they were going. That way at least he'd have had the chance to put his foot down that he didn't want his mother to know. If Amy hadn't liked it she could have gone to her own mother's for Christmas. It very likely would, however, have provided an (unwanted ? )  opportunity to talk about why they were living like this now : the experiment was over; the questions of sleeping, toothbrushes, bickering, furniture and possessions were all settled; they'd decided to remain living together. So, had they specifically chosen to live in sin ( the official term in UK when I first worked in local government, now called LTHAW) ( even though no sin had taken place when they'd have arranged the Texas trip )  for the foreseeable future rather than get married, or was this an interim as it seems to have been for Missy, or had they simply each put off bringing it up ? An elephant in the room. Possibly Amy was avoiding that conversation as part of the 'issues' she wanted to sidestep and therefore acted uni-laterally.

Why did Amy put off encouraging Sheldon to tell his mother until they were approaching her house ? Why make sure he slept until then, was she afraid he'd bring it up in the hours travelling there and he'd raise too many objections ?

I'm sad on Amy's behalf that she thought Sheldon's mother liked her, but now she must be wondering if Mary really sees her as no more than a useful weirdo who can tolerate Sheldon. Shades of school, college and horny otter sauna. I could kick Sheldon for suggesting that.

Edited January 6, 2017 by joyceraye

[joyceraye]

2 hours ago, RJ1013 said:

Regardless of marital status, they feel very permanent now, going to visit family together on the holiday. It seemed like Mary thought of their relationship as permanent too.

- It made me smile to see Sheldon walk out of 4A with everyone else at the end of the episode, a tiny reminder that it is no longer his home. 

Me too, and the happy look Amy gave him when he said it was good to be home.

[spidergirl]

My Shamy thoughts from this week’s episode.

- Shamy coming back to Pasadena. I have enjoyed how shamy was good with each other after they had a rough time in Mary's place. I especially enjoyed how Sheldon made his point to Amy about his mother had hinted she was a weirdo like him. It was well spotted  to see that Amy looked upset about what got wrong in Texas as much as Sheldon but the drug Sheldon for Texas trip. This really got me upset  because after all consent they always seek from each other  about  things they do to each other had worked so well so far and then Amy did something nasty to Sheldon without any of his consent. It would be so simple for her calming down his nerves as she sugested him taking something for helping him to relax. But I guess writers enjoy to choose the worst way  for doing things once in a while. Glad they were good with each other in end of the trip.

- It was nice the way Sheldon and Amy reacted when he said it was glad to be home. They have a  place now, it is so cool listening that!

- Mary and shamy. It was funny as I was rewatching the episode earlier, the whole Mary's behavior reminded me that episode Mary visited Sheldon and he wanted she cooked for him. Mary asked Leonard what was going on between Sheldon and Amy as they were eating out and Mary made a few non politically correct remarks, for example about chinese people. What I am trying to say is I think we saw in 10.12 which side of family Sheldon is from. I mean, although Mary is a sweet woman, she tends sometimes to say things not very sensitive to people, like she did to Sheldon and Amy as they visted her. What she said was true a few years ago as Sheldon was not interested in women and he was much more quirky than he is now. However Mary usually says what comes to her mouth without thinking and this time it hurt Sheldon and Amy too. And she was not  aware of hurting shamy's feelings  as Sheldon was not aware  of the many times in past  he hurt Amy and he was not able to be aware of that. Glad Sheldon is getting a level of maturity that is not  yet as big as it should be in his age  due his quirkyness but he is working on it. However Amy needs to work in  her maturity as well and imo it was the best point made in this episode. We can see it very well in car scene. Shamy had a serious talk about their relationship where Sheldon expresses his concerns about how his mother and his girlfriend see his capacity of managing his life and Amy is aware that they need to share their shortcomings as they work on them. But it is missing yet  that Amy trusts more in Sheldon's judgement. He is not  a big boy anymore, he is really getting into a mature man.

- I wish we could see Sheldon wearing the earing. It would have been funnier than the three cries he gave, lol!

- I loved the pirate tip. Amy was kind of melted (I am sure she loved the earing!) and Sheldon now loves to touch his girlfriend. Go, Shelley!

-Is it me or Sheldon kind of pretend that he had not interest in babies? Have you noticed Amy's hopeful face? And she wanted to help Howard. Howard, you should have accepeted, lol! For this girl here melt. <3

-Loved who was last person to close 4A door as everyone left it to go to their own places: Sheldon. For those who still  believe there is hope for he be back to 4A, it is so obvious that it won't happen! The guy has a place with his girlfriend and it is there he wants to be!

- Sheldon will be always Sheldon and that is not bad at all. But he is a better person now and again it can be seen in car scene. He did one of his unique logical games as he was saying chronologically people he has in his life and Amy (and well!) showed she was upset for that. The way Sheldon looked at Amy and he saw she was upset kind of melted my heart. Because he really sensed he messed with her, even he tried to amend it in not the best of ways. These litle things make my heart happier and in peace for shamy future, you know.

We can not complain this season about shamy, we have been in fan heaven, lol! And I believe we will still be there for the rest of the season. You know what was my only complain about this episode and it was so unnnecessary that shocked me very much as I saw the episode earlier. Surely it wasn not the best episode for out shamy but it had a few interisting points that I really hope we can see developed in future episodes.

One of them was the lack of interest from Sheldon for Amy's family which Amy openly complain about it. Maybe a hint for future plotlines? Hope so.

I would dare to say that I believe Sheldon might surprise Amy in her family interest front, as he is reading better some situations they live as couple than herself, at least about the way  things should be done to please both and done by both. About reading feelings, he needs to get better yet indeed but she needs to trust in his judgment more as well.

Shamy complete each other and every week their journey gets even better. Already can not wait for 10.13

Edited January 7, 2017 by spidergirl
1.13 instead of be 10.13

[vonmar]

Watched it twice now..not a fan of the Shamy story line. It seemed to skew hard away from how S/A have been dealing with their relationship and not in a good way.

Amy spiking his juice.  No.  I understand that it is kind of a running joke on the show, Penny with the "slutty" Cube Libres, Penny with the Long Island Ice Teas and Howard slipping some Valium into his milk to try to get him to shut up.  But Amy, no..he loves and trust her, this bothers me.  

I understand that these were supposed to be "disaster" holiday story lines, but I think they went a little to far on the Shamy story.  

[mirs1]

Hey guys, 10.13 airs on January 19th! So excited! I know that this means a two-week hiatus, but hopefully we will get some info about the taping next week to keep us busy!

[spidergirl]

11 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

Hey guys, 10.13 airs on January 19th! So excited! I know that this means a two-week hiatus, but hopefully we will get some info about the taping next week to keep us busy!

So excited too! The episode of the passionate kiss, can't wait!!

I am very curious about next taping , what will our shamy do this time as Sheldon might not move much, lol!

Well, they could spend quality time cuddling on couch, kissing, watching Netflix...

But surely they might do other things that involve the gang as well!

 

[joyceraye]

1 hour ago, mirs1 said:

Hey guys, 10.13 airs on January 19th! So excited! I know that this means a two-week hiatus, but hopefully we will get some info about the taping next week to keep us busy!

I do hope someone who can report to us about 10.14 is going to the taping. I can't wait to find out why Emily is in it.

[RoRo]

I have watched the episode a couple of more times and I just cant shake the fact that they had Amy spike Sheldon's juice. I thought that was in poor taste. I enjoyed the episode and was entertained, just didn't like that.

[Carm6773]

Amy spiking Sheldon's juice to get him to go to sleep was a bad choice and could have backfired... who remembers The Pants Alternative?

 

[April]

39 minutes ago, Carm6773 said:

Amy spiking Sheldon's juice to get him to go to sleep was a bad choice and could have backfired... who remembers The Pants Alternative?

Makes me wish that when Amy tries to "manage" Sheldon in some way again that he's aware of it and turns the tables on her and her efforts all backfire hilariously. (Even more so than with the nonsense on Christmas.) Homegirl needs to learn her lesson! LOL

Edited January 7, 2017 by April

[A Shamy gal]

I don't understand why everyone is assuming Amy spiked Sheldon's drink.  All he said was that it was weird tasting juice and to me that doesn't mean she spiked his drink.  Given their fondness for herbal tea, she could have given him a natural remedy for any anxiety he was feeling, such as Tart Cherry juice or even one of those neuro-sleep drinks.

[kbp]

Hi wasnt episode 14 or 15  valentines day episode  in season nine so these two tapings comming up could be a valentines episode what does mean for our shamy perhaps a proposal ?i know jim got a broken toe but they can get around those things hopefully  so guys what do you think

[mirs1]

9 hours ago, kbp said:

Hi wasnt episode 14 or 15  valentines day episode  in season nine so these two tapings comming up could be a valentines episode what does mean for our shamy perhaps a proposal ?i know jim got a broken toe but they can get around those things hopefully  so guys what do you think

The Valentine's episode last year was 9.15. Anyway, a proposal on Valentine's Day sounds too obvious to me, it's something done thousands of times, I see something quirkier for Shamy when Sheldon propose. On the other hand, 10.14 happens exactly one year after the meemaw episode, when Amy knew there actually is a ring waiting for her finger. Might that be charm? Not really holding my breath for it, though...

10 hours ago, A Shamy gal said:

I don't understand why everyone is assuming Amy spiked Sheldon's drink.  All he said was that it was weird tasting juice and to me that doesn't mean she spiked his drink.  Given their fondness for herbal tea, she could have given him a natural remedy for any anxiety he was feeling, such as Tart Cherry juice or even one of those neuro-sleep drinks.

Yes, she could have had used a herbal remedy indeed, but that doesn't change the fact that Sheldon didn't know that. The point to me was not the kind of substance she used (xanax or a herbal tea) but the fact that from the dialogue it was clear to me that Sheldon didn't realize at first that drinking that juice had made him sleep, ergo that there was something else in that juice. Actually, I'm not even quite sure he realized that by the end of the episode...

Edited January 8, 2017 by mirs1

[spidergirl]

9 hours ago, kbp said:

Hi wasnt episode 14 or 15  valentines day episode  in season nine so these two tapings comming up could be a valentines episode what does mean for our shamy perhaps a proposal ?i know jim got a broken toe but they can get around those things hopefully  so guys what do you think

We might have  a shamy proposal in most unexpected time and  in most quirky way . I believe the proposal plotline is one things that writers might be working in secret, I mean, they  only coming up with a proposal episode when it feels right about being something for fans remember tenderly. They have been doing a great job in most important shamy moments and proposal is indeed one of them. They would not do a "okay" and rushed thing about something that fans have been waiting with most exciting feelings. Tbh a proposal is not what I most looking foward to seeing about shamy . Course I want it but I would like to see first they getting even better about their living together time and getting more bonded as a couple who share everything, including big decisons which would affect both. Also loved to meet Amy 's family and more about her background before the ring be on her finger.

[Jonny]

1 hour ago, mirs1 said:

The Valentine's episode last year was 9.15. Anyway, a proposal on Valentine's Day sounds too obvious to me, it's something done thousands of times, I see something quirkier for Shamy when Sheldon propose. On the other hand, 10.14 happens exactly one year after the meemaw episode, when Amy knew there actually is a ring waiting for her finger. Might that be charm? Not really holding my breath for it, though...

Yes, she could have had used a herbal remedy indeed, but that doesn't change the fact that Sheldon didn't know that. The point to me was not the kind of substance she used (xanax or a herbal tea) but the fact that from the dialogue it was clear to me that Sheldon didn't realize at first that drinking that juice had made him sleep, ergo that there was something else in that juice. Actually, I'm not even quite sure he realized that by the end of the episode...

Yeah whatever it was (over the counter herbal drug or something concocted) it knocked him out cold to the point where he didn't know that he had got off the plane or where he was. If it was me I would be worried that I blacked out and had lost some memory.

It's possible that we are making a bigger deal out of it, if you check social media and elsewhere they thought it was very funny. I still personally think it was wrong (I have a sister who had a spiked non alcoholic drink and ended up in A&E so I have a pretty down view on it from experience).

One mistake/personal thing I didn't like (IMO) in a great season for Shamy to date, I think i'll take it.

Edited January 8, 2017 by Jonny

[mirs1]

24 minutes ago, Jonny said:

Yeah whatever it was (over the counter herbal drug or something concocted) it knocked him out cold to the point where he didn't know that he had got off the plane or where he was. If it was me I would be worried that I blacked out and had lost some memory.

It's possible that we are making a bigger deal out of it, if you check social media and elsewhere they thought it was very funny. I still personally think it was wrong (I have a sister who had a spiked non alcoholic drink and ended up in A&E so I have a pretty down view on it from experience).

One mistake/personal thing I didn't like (IMO) in a great season for Shamy to date, I think i'll take it.

Oh, yes, that's very true...The episode is very loved on social media, and the "magic juice" seems to be also a beloved joke. Well, I'm happy for it in a way, if the writers continue to make stuff that people enjoy the ratings should remain high. Probably we are making a bigger deal out of it, as you said...still not a fan of the joke, but this was a minor bump (for my taste...) in an otherwise good season so far for Shamy!

[spidergirl]

1 hour ago, Jonny said:

Yeah whatever it was (over the counter herbal drug or something concocted) it knocked him out cold to the point where he didn't know that he had got off the plane or where he was. If it was me I would be worried that I blacked out and had lost some memory.

It's possible that we are making a bigger deal out of it, if you check social media and elsewhere they thought it was very funny. I still personally think it was wrong (I have a sister who had a spiked non alcoholic drink and ended up in A&E so I have a pretty down view on it from experience).

One mistake/personal thing I didn't like (IMO) in a great season for Shamy to date, I think i'll take it.

Agree. Even most of audience might have thought it was funny, for me it was a litle  stain in such thoughtfull shamy characters  devoloping this season. But well, couples are not perfect as everybody else and I can handle with this Amy act, as the most of her and Sheldon'acts this season have been realy welI done to each other. Everyone had done things in life not corrected and regrett about them and what matters is not repeat them and understanding why it was wrong. Imo Sheldon showed Amy that she should trust him more and there are things that have to be done with both consent, like telling his mother about their living arrangements. Maybe  we see something  done or said by Amy that we could see she got better about the possibilty of her not repeat things like that, I mean, managing things by her own way wihout Sheldon 's consent, including to be helpfull about his fears as long as he get she is helping him, like  in situations of flights.

Amy did not the juicy thing to be mean, so we could not be so hard to the poor girl. I believe for the way things worked with his mother and for the way Sheldon made a few points about he is an adult as Amy for managing his life for his own that Amy won't repeat the mistake and surely Amy will proove us that she trusts more on Sheldon with a further situation in a next episode.

Edited January 8, 2017 by spidergirl

[April]

19 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

Oh, yes, that's very true...The episode is very loved on social media, and the "magic juice" seems to be also a beloved joke. Well, I'm happy for it in a way, if the writers continue to make stuff that people enjoy the ratings should remain high. Probably we are making a bigger deal out of it, as you said...still not a fan of the joke, but this was a minor bump (for my taste...) in an otherwise good season so far for Shamy!

Maybe that person who wrote the fanletter complimenting the consent in 10x11 can write another one pointing out the issue with 10x12 and then the writers won't repeat that stupid joke and we can all forget about that. lol

But overall I rather have a season like this where the majority of the episodes are about their progress and how well they work together than what they did in many earlier seasons where there were many more setbacks with only a few little highlights sprinkled in between. Instead of 2 steps forward and 1 step back we're at 7 steps forward and 1 step back with next episode being another step forward - I think I can live with that.

[A Shamy gal]

1 hour ago, mirs1 said:

Oh, yes, that's very true...The episode is very loved on social media, and the "magic juice" seems to be also a beloved joke. Well, I'm happy for it in a way, if the writers continue to make stuff that people enjoy the ratings should remain high. Probably we are making a bigger deal out of it, as you said...still not a fan of the joke, but this was a minor bump (for my taste...) in an otherwise good season so far for Shamy!

Given that it's not the first time a character has 'drugged' another in the show, I am a little surprised at the reaction on here.  I mean Howard used to drug his mother all the time and I don't remember anyone saying anything about it.  And we've had Bernie drugging Howard to shut him up.  Howard's drugged Sheldon to shut him up as well.  I lost count of the times Penny tricked Sheldon into drinking alcohol.  We've even had Sheldon saying once he should have given Amy 'sleepy tea'.  So it's been done loads of times before.  Maybe it's because it was Amy who did it this time that is the reason for the reaction to it. 

[YellowMugBlueMug]

Not a fan of funny juice jokes, but they didn't really bothered me that much. It was a joke worth one episode and we probably never hear about it again. And the show really had far worse and recurring ones. The worst IMO were fat and death jokes about Mrs Wolowitz.