Ship Zone [Spoilers] Shamy: Season 10

[April]

30 minutes ago, spidergirl said:

Same here. And surely if the RA had a 2.0 update after shamy reunion, I see it be 50/50 benefits to each other. About the way they are spontaneous now with display of affection, it might have a clause about " any kind of display of affection must be spontaneous and felt by both parts  without any writen obligation or recommended frequency for these affection gestures to happen in daily basis". I just hope that coital activities are included in that clause as well.

Oh what wouldn't I give to see a scene with them finalising the new RA and finally tackling the point of coital activities! It could be harking back to their scene in 10x04 where they called a rain check on it for as long as this living together thing is still so new for them. It would nicely tie this arc together for me with a neat bow.

(But it's such a specific wish I don't think I'll get that. lol)

[spidergirl]

11 minutes ago, April said:

Oh what wouldn't I give to see a scene with them finalising the new RA and finally tackling the point of coital activities! It could be harking back to their scene in 10x04 where they called a rain check on it for as long as this living together thing is still so new for them. It would nicely tie this arc together for me with a neat bow.

(But it's such a specific wish I don't think I'll get that. lol)

I know, lol. There are a few scenes I wished we could see on screen and one of them would be surely they making it clear that getting physical stopped to be a year thing and it is something they get into as they now get to touch each other as much as they want to. However it would be about 18 minutes from each episode until the end of the season for I see all my questions list I need to find about shamy, lol.

This season has been so wonderful for them that I can wait for some of these answers a bit more 

Edited January 13, 2017 by spidergirl

[joyceraye]

3 hours ago, spidergirl said:

I know, lol. There are a few scenes I wished we could see on screen and one of them would be surely they making it clear that getting physical stopped to be a year thing and it is something they get into as they now get to touch each other as much as they want to. However it would be about 18 minutes from each episode until the end of the season for I see all my questions list I need to find about shamy, lol.

This season has been so wonderful for them that I can wait for some of these answers a bit more 

Many of us would like to see that. The conversation must have happened, otherwise what would have been the point of telling Mary they were living in sin if they weren't at least intending to ? 

 

[April]

8 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

Many of us would like to see that. The conversation must have happened, otherwise what would have been the point of telling Mary they were living in sin if they weren't at least intending to ?

They happily sinned on Amy's birthday just about a week prior so that statement isn't inaccurate whether or not they actually had that talk. LOL

But yes, I also found the use of continuous present, let's say, promising. But after the whole speculations from last year I'm less willing to jump to conclusions. I hope though being spared another post-coital "I'm looking forward to next year" joke this time will make Molaro more open to try something new here. There are just to many times you can have these characters make out before the audience starts to ask "why are they not just gonna do it again?? cause they kinda look like they want to so what gives??" We'll see...

[joyceraye]

4 hours ago, April said:

Oh what wouldn't I give to see a scene with them finalising the new RA and finally tackling the point of coital activities! It could be harking back to their scene in 10x04 where they called a rain check on it for as long as this living together thing is still so new for them. It would nicely tie this arc together for me with a neat bow.

(But it's such a specific wish I don't think I'll get that. lol)

The clue is in the timing. It wasn't until they'd just arrived in Texas on Christmas Eve or perhaps the day before that Amy told Mary the Wolowitz baby had been born. Mary would have no need to pretend it was the first she'd heard of Halley's arrival, so over the meal must have been the first conversation they'd had for a week.  Amy must have to have told her about their living in sin before the birth and the annual sinful event. Therefore either a] there had been other pre-birthday coital activity we the viewers were not informed about ( what ? but then why not ?)  or b] there had been some discussion between Shamy about future intentions on that front. If there was something in the new agreement to the effect that after 17th December  2016 coitus would take place daily,for instance, then there was going to be something to confess by 23rd/24th December. Why tell Mary anything if there was nothing to tell ?

10 minutes ago, April said:

They happily sinned on Amy's birthday just about a week prior so that statement isn't inaccurate whether or not they actually had that talk. LOL

But yes, I also found the use of continuous present, let's say, promising. But after the whole speculations from last year I'm less willing to jump to conclusions. I hope though being spared another post-coital "I'm looking forward to next year" joke this time will make Molaro more open to try something new here. There are just to many times you can have these characters make out before the audience starts to ask "why are they not just gonna do it again?? cause they kinda look like they want to so what gives??" We'll see...

Oh I think they're at it like rabbits now.

[vonmar]

7 minutes ago, April said:

They happily sinned on Amy's birthday just about a week prior so that statement isn't inaccurate whether or not they actually had that talk. LOL

But yes, I also found the use of continuous present, let's say, promising. But after the whole speculations from last year I'm less willing to jump to conclusions. I hope though being spared another post-coital "I'm looking forward to next year" joke this time will make Molaro more open to try something new here. There are just to many times you can have these characters make out before the audience starts to ask "why are they not just gonna do it again?? cause they kinda look like they want to so what gives??" We'll see...

The promo photo of that goodbye kiss sure would seem to me that "things" have changed.  We get an "I love you more" scene as opposed to Sheldon fussing over the quality rating of the spa, or the way that Amy packed her suitcase, or the route they have planned for getting there.  Something has changed for those two, I am just waiting for conformation. 

Please note....I am forever an optimist.....which is a blessing and a curse.  

[Jonny]

The good thing about this season is that we are getting to see some of what is presumably a bit of a 'post-coital glow' or happiness after the event between them this time around. In Season 9 obviously you had Amy away at the conference in the couple of episodes after their first time (though she was very flirty and blushing a bit over Skype in 9.12).

Will be fun to see! 

Edited January 14, 2017 by Jonny

[April]

12 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

The clue is in the timing. It wasn't until they'd just arrived in Texas on Christmas Eve or perhaps the day before that Amy told Mary the Wolowitz baby had been born. Mary would have no need to pretend it was the first she'd heard of Halley's arrival, so over the meal must have been the first conversation they'd had for a week.  Amy must have to have told her about their living in sin before the birth and the annual sinful event. Therefore either a] there had been other pre-birthday coital activity we the viewers were not informed about ( what ? but then why not ?)  or b] there had been some discussion between Shamy about future intentions on that front. If there was something in the new agreement to the effect that after 17th December  2016 coitus would take place daily,for instance, then there was going to be something to confess by 23rd/24th December. Why tell Mary anything if there was nothing to tell ?

Where did you get that from? I don't think Amy told Mary that they are "living in sin", she just told her that they're living together now. "Living together now" is apparently the big news for Mary.

But Sheldon just goes all out and adds the little extra flavour because of course he does! It wouldn't be him if he didn't drop a comment in front of family members about how he has sex now. Exhibit A: 9x14. Exhibit B: 10x01. LOL (Plus, he surely wanted to provoke the "fire and brimstone" speech to get this over with.)

[joyceraye]

50 minutes ago, April said:

Where did you get that from? I don't think Amy told Mary that they are "living in sin", she just told her that they're living together now. "Living together now" is apparently the big news for Mary.

But Sheldon just goes all out and adds the little extra flavour because of course he does! It wouldn't be him if he didn't drop a comment in front of family members about how he has sex now. Exhibit A: 9x14. Exhibit B: 10x01. LOL (Plus, he surely wanted to provoke the "fire and brimstone" speech to get this over with.)

You may well be right : it certainly makes sense the way you put it. But if all Mary was supposed to think was that they were sharing the apartment, what was the 'issue' Amy thought she'd forestalled ? There's nothing out of the ordinary in people of opposite sexes sharing accommodation. Both of them needing a place to stay for different reasons and moving in together close to friends wouldn't be strange.  It's not even been a reputation matter for decades.  And yet Mary had obviously considered the 'special circumstances' ahead of time and took the 'in sin like New Yorkers' bit happily enough with no appearance of surprise or shock. I'm puzzled now. 

Yes, Sheldon was clearly annoyed at not being told he was going to Hell and just had to make trouble over it. Trust him. He did rather ask for his mother's answer and then got himself all stressed over it. On that note ,does Sheldon think New Yorkers only copulate once a year or does  Shamy now have an agreement to indulge in hanky-panky as often as New Yorkers do ?

[mirs1]

6 hours ago, joyceraye said:

You may well be right : it certainly makes sense the way you put it. But if all Mary was supposed to think was that they were sharing the apartment, what was the 'issue' Amy thought she'd forestalled ? There's nothing out of the ordinary in people of opposite sexes sharing accommodation. Both of them needing a place to stay for different reasons and moving in together close to friends wouldn't be strange.  It's not even been a reputation matter for decades.  And yet Mary had obviously considered the 'special circumstances' ahead of time and took the 'in sin like New Yorkers' bit happily enough with no appearance of surprise or shock. I'm puzzled now. 

Yes, Sheldon was clearly annoyed at not being told he was going to Hell and just had to make trouble over it. Trust him. He did rather ask for his mother's answer and then got himself all stressed over it. On that note ,does Sheldon think New Yorkers only copulate once a year or does  Shamy now have an agreement to indulge in hanky-panky as often as New Yorkers do ?

Because they are not two roommates sharing an apartment, they are in a relationship and living together without being married is something devoted Christians don't want for their children. People would have talked about it, and for sure they wouldn't have believed that no sinning (or sinning just once a year) was going on. People's opinion is a huge concern for the kind of religious person Mary is. Plus, Amy knew that they were going to "sin" pretty soon when she told Mary the news, for me she just said they were living together and let Mary assume what it entailed.  She is not as open as Sheldon is about her sex life, I don't see her saying "Mary, Sheldon and I are living together, there is no sinning going on right now, so no need to pray for us, but probably you can start doing so on December 17th", LOL!

[spidergirl]

12 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

Because they are not two roommates sharing an apartment, they are in a relationship and living together without being married is something devoted Christians don't want for their children. People would have talked about it, and for sure they wouldn't have believed that no sinning (or sinning just once a year) was going on. People's opinion is a huge concern for the kind of religious person Mary is. Plus, Amy knew that they were going to "sin" pretty soon when she told Mary the news, for me she just said they were living together and let Mary assume what it entailed.  She is not as open as Sheldon is about her sex life, I don't see her saying "Mary, Sheldon and I are living together, there is no sinning going on right now, so no need to pray for us, but probably you can start doing so on December 17th", LOL!

LOL!! Hopefully Mary will need to pray for them often since then. Maybe including them on her daily prayers, just in case!

Anyway, more or less prayers from Sheldon's mother I just love that shamy always express their love for each other by their standards as they don't care for what people say or think about them. To  me is one of the best traits of their relationship. If they have to be against the world for be happy together , they will do

[April]

7 hours ago, joyceraye said:

It's not even been a reputation matter for decades.  And yet Mary had obviously considered the 'special circumstances' ahead of time and took the 'in sin like New Yorkers' bit happily enough with no appearance of surprise or shock. I'm puzzled now. 

It may not be a reputation matter everywhere but it's certainly with conservative religious Texans (and being a liberal atheist New Yorker is kinda the antithesis to that). Remember, Mary also lectured Sheldon's siblings about the same thing so there's a reasonable expectation from Sheldon that she'll do the same with him and Amy.

And I'm not sure that Mary knows about the once a year deal but she surely knows they did it either from Meemaw or when she visited. The usual assumption then would be that a couple that started having sex will do it regularly so maybe she does indeed think they're doing it more often than they actually do. But how knows, maybe Sheldon told her about that as well.

And yes, in the end Mary is surprisingly happy cause Sheldon's "special circumstances" make her look past her religious morals and just be happy that her weirdo son found a werido girlfriend. Mary's morals are flexible like that. She's still preferring them being married but she also knows that'll happen sooner or later so whatever.

Edited January 14, 2017 by April

[Jonny]

Oh to be a fly on the wall when Amy actually told Mary (presumably over the phone) that they were living together. Who knows she may have vented then about religious consequences and got it out of her system before they arrived so we saw a more toned down version and acceptance. Amy's experience of dealing with her own mother (on the assumption that her mother is deeply religious as well, no major proof on that yet!) may have actually helped in that situation.

But like Mary says:

She has always struck me as a woman who bends but doesn't break when it comes to her religion or as @April just perfectly put it rather 'flexible'. She quotes scripture, acts all pious but then makes mistakes that in some cases may go against her religion's doctrine. Which is actually in a way pretty normal and more common than you think.

Edited January 14, 2017 by Jonny

[joyceraye]

6 hours ago, Jonny said:

Oh to be a fly on the wall when Amy actually told Mary (presumably over the phone) that they were living together. Who knows she may have vented then about religious consequences and got it out of her system before they arrived so we saw a more toned down version and acceptance. Amy's experience of dealing with her own mother (on the assumption that her mother is deeply religious as well, no major proof on that yet!) may have actually helped in that situation.

But like Mary says:

She has always struck me as a woman who bends but doesn't break when it comes to her religion or as @April just perfectly put it rather 'flexible'. She quotes scripture, acts all pious but then makes mistakes that in some cases may go against her religion's doctrine. Which is actually in a way pretty normal and more common than you think.

Yes, all that would fit !  When Amy said she was getting ahead of the situation and managing it, that would be what she meant, then : risking taking the flak first in order to protect Sheldon, I see. It was bound to come up at some time, whatever Sheldon thought. Mary'll have to know he's changed his postal address and his landline number. Mary has seen the size of 4B and she's not naiive enough to buy the idea of bunk beds. I get Amy's reasons now : not just warning Mary, but being willing to be on the receiving end of her initial reaction. Might as well be hanged for a sheep and let Sheldon merely be scolded for the lamb after his mother had thought things over. And now Amy has to suffer Sheldon's annoyance at her regardless of whatever Mary had said to her, because Sheldon's blown it all up. What she sacrifices for her man !

9 hours ago, April said:

It may not be a reputation matter everywhere but it's certainly with conservative religious Texan

 

11 hours ago, mirs1 said:

People would have talked about it, and for sure they wouldn't have believed that no sinning (or sinning just once a year) was going on. People's opinion is a huge concern for the kind of religious person Mary is. 

Yes, I suppose Mary would be worried what her church friends would think if there was gossip about her brilliant son being shacked up in 'Gomorrah, California'.  It's surprising how long a grapevine can be anywhere in the world, and fornication is regarded as a sin in all major religions in all places.  I've never been to the USA, let alone Sheldon's part of Texas, but  it sounds as though if even opposite-sex innocent accommodation-sharing is disapproved of in that circle, telling the congregation it was only a respectable flatshare with another scientist, a lady quite above suspicion, wouldn't hold water. Seen from that angle, Shamy really have put Mary in a difficult position, considering she works for a church for a living. Not that either of them would have given that a thought when the pipe burst in 314

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[Maddie]

I personally really don't think they're at it like rabbits now, despite how loving and kissy they are lately haha. I don't believe it to be the case because I think when the time comes for their sex to not be a yearly thing anymore, there will definitely be a story made out of it. I just can't see the writers leaving that for us to presume is happening. Plus, other than the passionate kiss, there hasn't been any indication that they've had sex since Amy's birthday. So until we're told it's happening, I'm gonna assume they haven't done it since December 17th. Which is beyond fine for me. I don't think they will ever be the type of couple that do it like rabbits. And good for them.

I do think at some point they will start doing it more though. I think it will follow a similar pattern as their kissing. They did it rarely at first, and now it seems they do it all the time. Every day, even. It's been a slow ride for them since the very beginning. I don't see that changing anytime soon haha.

[Riley7]

Am I the only one that thinks coitus once a year is okay?

I mean, I'm pretty neutral about it, whether or not they're at it like rabbits now, I couldn't care less. I just want them to both be happy and secure in the relationship. And it looks like they are. The RA back then was the cornerstone of the relationship, IMO. It took them from friends to couple and I'll always be grateful for that sometimes stupid contract. In some episodes Amy didn't seem to mind it and she even got her way in some of the decisions. I remember this thread after 09x11... everyone was talking about a new and improved RA and I kind of cringed at the idea. Fast forward a year later and the tables have turned, it seems. I wonder why. Is it because they're so happy now and the RA can be seen as a cause for concern in the future? I'm not too worried, even if they do have a new one / updated the old one... it's gonna be out of the way once they have a marriage agreement.

Forever waiting for that proposal.

[spidergirl]

1 hour ago, Riley7 said:

Am I the only one that thinks coitus once a year is okay?

I mean, I'm pretty neutral about it, whether or not they're at it like rabbits now, I couldn't care less. I just want them to both be happy and secure in the relationship. And it looks like they are. The RA back then was the cornerstone of the relationship, IMO. It took them from friends to couple and I'll always be grateful for that sometimes stupid contract. In some episodes Amy didn't seem to mind it and she even got her way in some of the decisions. I remember this thread after 09x11... everyone was talking about a new and improved RA and I kind of cringed at the idea. Fast forward a year later and the tables have turned, it seems. I wonder why. Is it because they're so happy now and the RA can be seen as a cause for concern in the future? I'm not too worried, even if they do have a new one / updated the old one... it's gonna be out of the way once they have a marriage agreement.

Forever waiting for that proposal.

You made a few great points and personally I don't see shamy doing it as rabitts either, it doesnt fit with them. 

What I see is they getting into sex progressily, like they have done so far with other display of affection, as @Maddie said it so well in her earlier post.

Shamy has a very own way of feeling confortable for taking steps  foward in their relationship. They are logical people but when it comes to emotions they are very true to what it realy make them happy and it doesn't matter if all their relationship parameters are off of the usual standards for most of couples. 

They were used to almost not touch in beginning of their relationship for kiss and touch often nowdays. The pace has been slow but always going to the right direction, and loosing some of most restrictive rules especially  from Sheldon's side. They are now so aware that they are in love  that everything will come naturally to them in physical side and when they will notice they are doing anything as they are in mood for it and without need especial days marked in a calendar.

Edited January 15, 2017 by spidergirl
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[mirs1]

At the beginning of the season I have to admit that the first item in my wish list was to overcome this once a year thing. But, as the season progressed, this has become less and less important to me. In fact, Shamy are shown to be very happy with this agreement and to have fun with each other. "Fun" was the part missing in the second half of S. 9, IMO. We had scenes like the tag in the cabin episode or Shamy flirting on Skype soon after 9.11, but this part of the season was mostly devoted to rekindle their emotional bound (and after the break up it was very right to do so, IMO), so Shamy were a bit more serious than they usually are with each other. This season, mainly because they are living together so everything is new to them, they are shown to really enjoy experimenting new stuff, they are more affectionate (not only the steamy make out in front of Lenny in the next episode, but for example  the bump on Amy's nose, the handling and all the hugs...) and they are doing a lot of fun things together. Also the way Coitus 2.0 was handled put the fun front and center in the episode. It is very natural that Shamy were nervous their first time, but in The Birthday Sincronicity, the cosplay and the HP theme made things much lighter and funnier, as sex should be. Plus, the writers haven't completely dropped the ball of physical contact after 10.11 (as they did after 9.11 where they were actually in two different places for two episodes in a row). All things considered, I really like Shamy this season!

[kbp]

2 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

At the beginning of the season I have to admit that the first item in my wish list was to overcome this once a year thing. But, as the season progressed, this has become less and less important to me. In fact, Shamy are shown to be very happy with this agreement and to have fun with each other. "Fun" was the part missing in the second half of S. 9, IMO. We had scenes like the tag in the cabin episode or Shamy flirting on Skype soon after 9.11, but this part of the season was mostly devoted to rekindle their emotional bound (and after the break up it was very right to do so, IMO), so Shamy were a bit more serious than they usually are with each other. This season, mainly because they are living together so everything is new to them, they are shown to really enjoy experimenting new stuff, they are more affectionate (not only the steamy make out in front of Lenny in the next episode, but for example  the bump on Amy's nose, the handling and all the hugs...) and they are doing a lot of fun things together. Also the way Coitus 2.0 was handled put the fun front and center in the episode. It is very natural that Shamy were nervous their first time, but in The Birthday Sincronicity, the cosplay and the HP theme made things much lighter and funnier, as sex should be. Plus, the writers haven't completely dropped the ball of physical contact after 10.11 (as they did after 9.11 where they were actually in two different places for two episodes in a row). All things considered, I really like Shamy this season!

i to really luv shamy this season and hope its not last season  because we need engagment and a wedding for shamy

[April]

1 hour ago, Riley7 said:

Am I the only one that thinks coitus once a year is okay?

I mean, I'm pretty neutral about it, whether or not they're at it like rabbits now, I couldn't care less. I just want them to both be happy and secure in the relationship. And it looks like they are. The RA back then was the cornerstone of the relationship, IMO. It took them from friends to couple and I'll always be grateful for that sometimes stupid contract. In some episodes Amy didn't seem to mind it and she even got her way in some of the decisions. I remember this thread after 09x11... everyone was talking about a new and improved RA and I kind of cringed at the idea. Fast forward a year later and the tables have turned, it seems. I wonder why. Is it because they're so happy now and the RA can be seen as a cause for concern in the future? I'm not too worried, even if they do have a new one / updated the old one... it's gonna be out of the way once they have a marriage agreement.

Forever waiting for that proposal.

With regards to the RA I don't really care either way as well, but I would have loved to get at least a scene with them deciding together whether or not they want a new one. Something like the scene in Sheldon's room in 10x04 would have worked perfectly. And I would have loved to see a story that shows how the RA can be used to improve communication and all that. Cohabitation being a new thing for them would have been the perfect opportunity here to bring that up.

And then the Lenny RA wouldn't come out of nowhere as well cause they would have seen how Shamy went from bickering like Sheldon's parents to the lovey-dovey hippies they are now with the help of their new RA. But that would have required a bit of a rewrite for 10x05 and I'm almost certain the writers didn't come up with that idea until later so we get this sadly somewhat clumsy re-introduction of Shamy's RA. Oh well...

Either way though, they seem to be ridiculously happy so whatever is in that new RA certainly doesn't seem to harm their relationship. In the past the RA has often been used to remind Sheldon of his boyfriends duties that he often only reluctantly followed - after all he wrote it to benefit him as he kept reminding her ever so often. But Amy was smart enough to turn the tables on him and make him keep his side of the agreement. I can see how these kinds of jokes bothered people (it certainly bothered me at times) and made the RA not look particularly good cause these scenes were showing Sheldon still being reluctant about the relationship. However, now that Sheldon is totally in, heart eyes and everything, I can't see these kinds of jokes coming back - except maybe when it's something silly or more light-hearted, like laughing at each other's unfunny jokes.

[Riley7]

You're right about the re-introduction being sloppy @April, but I still think it's all good in Shamy shipper land 'cos the next episode seems to be kind of amazing... such strong emotional bonding to come, I don't think the RA will play a part in their future (or at least the rest of this season). I hope they don't revert back to season 7 + 8 with the "Sheldon's a bad boyfriend/ the RA is weird therefor Shamy is weird" jokes 'cos that's what made me not like the RA in its latter stages ... the initial introduction was fine and cute and unique (much like them). I'm still positive that they'll continue to be happy and in love for the rest of this season. 

They'll end up staying together... I know it's not "endgame", but for us it is.

On a side note, how cool are we for having different opinions but still listening to reason from someone who differs from us.

[spidergirl]

Today is one of most entusiastic shamy fans birthday: @anicez!!

Happy birthday girl

Have a wonderful day with a bit of shamy goodness included.Cheers! 

 

[Desdemona]

Happy Birthday @anicez!

[Soopysue]

I'm in camp - a RA is fine with me - to see them ridiculously happy is all that matters , they are a quirky couple and if an RA is what they want then so be it ! I don't care as long as they are happy & in love !
I totally agree with@maddie about coitus - whatever " floats their boat " so to speak !!! I also agree that the once a year thing will probably be dropped at some point but I'm not fussed when !
Happy in love Shamy = happy me ! Season 10 has been amazing so far, I LOVE it !!!


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[spidergirl]

2 hours ago, Riley7 said:

You're right about the re-introduction being sloppy @April, but I still think it's all good in Shamy shipper land 'cos the next episode seems to be kind of amazing... such strong emotional bonding to come, I don't think the RA will play a part in their future (or at least the rest of this season). I hope they don't revert back to season 7 + 8 with the "Sheldon's a bad boyfriend/ the RA is weird therefor Shamy is weird" jokes 'cos that's what made me not like the RA in its latter stages ... the initial introduction was fine and cute and unique (much like them). I'm still positive that they'll continue to be happy and in love for the rest of the this season

No way for them revert back to old Sheldon emotionless times: the man has all his heart to be happy with his Amy and making her happy as well. And honesty imo Sheldon did not really know that was absolutely true that  kissing and making love with Amy could be so good! No way of he stops the great things he is discovering as he loves Amy and he's loved back.

2 hours ago, Riley7 said:

On a side note, how cool are we for having different opinions but still listening to reason from someone who differs from us.

It is amazing, isn't? Best place of all web world for be discussing shamy

 

 

Edited January 15, 2017 by spidergirl