Ship Zone [Spoilers] Shamy: Season 10

[mirs1]

16 minutes ago, wowbagger said:

The thing is, the show's done the push/pull so often with Sheldon and Amy that I sincerely never want them to go that route ever, ever, ever again. Basically, I don't want any source of tension or conflict about that goddamn proposal, because I do. Not. Trust. These writers. We've already had a burnt Sheldon. We've had a long period of Amy urging progress while Sheldon dug his heels in. Neither was fun. So the only source of conflict with a proposal that would not be either of these is an idea that I've seen on this thread which is that Amy gets posted somewhere else. Which I'm also not a fan of - this whole 'career or love' shit that women are so often asked to do in fiction. Plus, the 'career vs marriage/ long-distance' thing on some level was already kind of addressed with Wolowitzes and space, no? No, I don't trust the writers to come up with a neat conflict with a Shamy proposal at all.

Also, I may be in the minority here, but I'm actually okay with them never having the proposal rear its ugly head for the remainder of the show. I mean, they're already living together and are clearly committed to each other. A proposal might be very nice, but what will it materially alter about where they are?

And hey, there's stuff to do with the couple before then. Give Amy work-related conflicts that she and Sheldon can come up with (possibly harebrained, then reasonable) solutions to! Let them work together again, and bicker over the direction of their project, if you need to have conflict between the pair. Wheel out Amy's family, now that the show has decided that she has two parents! Have Amy stick up for Sheldon to her family, or go toe-to-toe with Leslie! Sheldon's already done those things for Amy, it would be nice for the show to have Amy be the dragon-slayer. Why not?

I would be more than ok with it if Amy didn't know about the ring. I agree with you that they are basically married now and they are already adjusting to married life, it's not like Sheldon will pick a different side of the bed once he signs a marriage certificate, or maybe yes...who knows? But Amy knows about the ring, she knows that Sheldon is thinking about marriage for more than one year now and, despite living together and being basically married, he has not popped the question yet. I see that as a possible source of tension and conflict. I mean, Amy seems happy and everything, but who can forbid the writers to make her all in a sudden very dissatisfied for the situation? I don't trust the writers either, they have created conflicts out of nowhere before and they have already shown that Amy wants to get engaged. At this point, I just prefer Sheldon proposes this season.

Edited March 5, 2017 by mirs1

[Jonny]

24 minutes ago, wowbagger said:

The thing is, the show's done the push/pull so often with Sheldon and Amy that I sincerely never want them to go that route ever, ever, ever again. Basically, I don't want any source of tension or conflict about that goddamn proposal, because I do. Not. Trust. These writers. We've already had a burnt Sheldon. We've had a long period of Amy urging progress while Sheldon dug his heels in. Neither was fun. So the only source of conflict with a proposal that would not be either of these is an idea that I've seen on this thread which is that Amy gets posted somewhere else. Which I'm also not a fan of - this whole 'career or love' shit that women are so often asked to do in fiction. Plus, the 'career vs marriage/ long-distance' thing on some level was already kind of addressed with Wolowitzes and space, no? No, I don't trust the writers to come up with a neat conflict with a Shamy proposal at all.

Also, I may be in the minority here, but I'm actually okay with them never having the proposal rear its ugly head for the remainder of the show. I mean, they're already living together and are clearly committed to each other. A proposal might be very nice, but what will it materially alter about where they are?

And hey, there's stuff to do with the couple before then. Give Amy work-related conflicts that she and Sheldon can come up with (possibly harebrained, then reasonable) solutions to! Let them work together again, and bicker over the direction of their project, if you need to have conflict between the pair. Wheel out Amy's family, now that the show has decided that she has two parents! Have Amy stick up for Sheldon to her family, or go toe-to-toe with Leslie! Sheldon's already done those things for Amy, it would be nice for the show to have Amy be the dragon-slayer. Why not?

I get what you are saying about the push/pull and conflict and in a way the writers have kind of 'potentially' set it up that way again with Amy asking Bernie and Penny in the car why hasn't he proposed yet. Some of that was just the teary situation in the car with the girls but I think there was some real truth or feelings coming out from Amy in that scene as well.

Amy can be extremely patient to a point, but we have seen in the past she will have to let it out eventually. That's normal and that's human, everyone has a patience tolerance on certain things. Will the writers engineer a situation where she flat out asks Sheldon why hasn't it happened yet possibly causing some tension? I really hope not but they have set it up should they want/wish to go down that route, that much is pretty obvious.

I don't think it would materially alter anything like you said, they are like a married couple already but it's canon Amy wants it. Unless they have a discussion or she makes it clear to her friends that getting married isn't as big a deal anymore I think we have to assume she wants it to happen. I want to see them get married, I want Amy to have her dream wedding where she feels like a princess and all eyes are on her. But that's just my individual fan opinion lol, if she doesn't now want that and she is happy I will be ok with that.

Totally agree on more projects and seeing and learning more about Amy's family, she's the only character that doesn't have that part of her character really 'fleshed out' so to speak.

Edited March 5, 2017 by Jonny

[Stephen Hawking]

31 minutes ago, wowbagger said:

Plus, the 'career vs marriage/ long-distance' thing on some level was already kind of addressed with Wolowitzes and space, no?

Also with Leonard and Priya.

[spidergirl]

19 minutes ago, Jonny said:

I get what you are saying about the push/pull and conflict and in a way the writers have kind of 'potentially' set it up that way again with Amy asking Bernie and Penny in the car why hasn't he proposed yet. Some of that was just the teary situation in the car with the girls but I think there was some real truth or feelings coming out from Amy in that scene as well.

Amy can be extremely patient to a point, but we have seen in the past she will have to let it out eventually. That's normal and that's human, everyone has a patience tolerance on certain things. Will the writers engineer a situation where she flat out asks Sheldon why hasn't it happened yet possibly causing some tension? I really hope not but they have set it up should they want/wish to go down that route, that much is pretty obvious.

I don't think it would materially alter anything like you said, they are like a married couple already but it's canon Amy wants it. Unless they have a discussion or she makes it clear to her friends that getting married isn't as big a deal anymore I think we have to assume she wants it to happen. I want to see them get married, I want Amy to have her dream wedding where she feels like a princess and all eyes are on her. But that's just my individual fan opinion lol, if she doesn't now want that and she is happy I will be ok with that.

Totally agree on more projects and seeing and learning more about Amy's family, she's the only character that doesn't have that part of her character really 'fleshed out' so to speak.

I would rather Amy not asked to Sheldon but that he might figure out Amy was starting to feel upset for he had not proposed yet and got aware it was time of he show to her he stil want to marry her. Imo the fact she found about the ring before he had chance to propose was enough to the question be on her mind as a potencially certain and not a surprise, know what I mean? To me would be a bit too much Amy needed to remind him about the ring. Rooting here for the proposal moment be one of these he realizes for himself it is time for he make an important decision because he feels it and he is sure about it.

Edited March 5, 2017 by spidergirl

[joyceraye]

1 hour ago, wowbagger said:

The thing is, the show's done the push/pull so often with Sheldon and Amy that I sincerely never want them to go that route ever, ever, ever again. Basically, I don't want any source of tension or conflict about that goddamn proposal, because I do. Not. Trust. These writers. We've already had a burnt Sheldon. We've had a long period of Amy urging progress while Sheldon dug his heels in. Neither was fun. So the only source of conflict with a proposal that would not be either of these is an idea that I've seen on this thread which is that Amy gets posted somewhere else. Which I'm also not a fan of - this whole 'career or love' shit that women are so often asked to do in fiction. Plus, the 'career vs marriage/ long-distance' thing on some level was already kind of addressed with Wolowitzes and space, no? No, I don't trust the writers to come up with a neat conflict with a Shamy proposal at all.

Also, I may be in the minority here, but I'm actually okay with them never having the proposal rear its ugly head for the remainder of the show. I mean, they're already living together and are clearly committed to each other. A proposal might be very nice, but what will it materially alter about where they are?

And hey, there's stuff to do with the couple before then. Give Amy work-related conflicts that she and Sheldon can come up with (possibly harebrained, then reasonable) solutions to! Let them work together again, and bicker over the direction of their project, if you need to have conflict between the pair. Wheel out Amy's family, now that the show has decided that she has two parents! Have Amy stick up for Sheldon to her family, or go toe-to-toe with Leslie! Sheldon's already done those things for Amy, it would be nice for the show to have Amy be the dragon-slayer. Why not?

What is material is their age, especially Amy's. They've talked about children with varying levels of seriousness for over six years. They can't hang about for much longer. I don't think the show is ready for illegitimate offspring and I don't think either of them would want to hurt the potential grannies with that. 

[Jonny]

15 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

What is material is their age, especially Amy's. They've talked about children with varying levels of seriousness for over six years. They can't hang about for much longer. I don't think the show is ready for illegitimate offspring and I don't think either of them would want to hurt the potential grannies with that. 

These days it's less of a stigma having children and not being married, though like you said if they ever did and weren't married then Mary and potentially Amy's mother would chastise them for that lol. Not worth the hassle.

Anyways it's still my prediction that they are going to get engaged by the end of this season, I just don't have a frelling clue how it's going to be brought up and how it is done.

[joyceraye]

4 minutes ago, Jonny said:

These days it's less of a stigma having children and not being married, though like you said if they ever did and weren't married then Mary and potentially Amy's mother would chastise them for that lol. Not worth the hassle.

Anyways it's still my prediction that they are going to get engaged by the end of this season, I just don't have a frelling clue how it's going to be brought up and how it is done.

I'm wondering whether the whole gang will be at 4A or Howardette's one evening having their takeaway and something they're talking about leads someone to ask Shamy about their plans, putting them on the spot. Then Sheldon takes them all by surprise by saying something along the lines of while the best man, matron of honour and party planner are all together, why don't they get their revenge by making the arrangements and then tell him and Amy when and where to show up. Amy's shocked and leaves, followed by Sheldon. He tells her it's the only way they'd ever hear the end of it now the others have started nagging. They go somewhere and discuss it and Sheldon produces a/the ring. (Unless recently-deceased Aunt has left a nicer one.)

[wowbagger]

45 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

What is material is their age, especially Amy's. They've talked about children with varying levels of seriousness for over six years. They can't hang about for much longer. I don't think the show is ready for illegitimate offspring and I don't think either of them would want to hurt the potential grannies with that. 

Yeah, but it's Sheldon who's obsessed with children and eggs and whatnot. Has Amy shown much anxiety about that on-screen?

Incidentally, the only way that I'd like the proposal issue to be resolved is for Amy to realise that she doesn't need the sodding ring to prove that Sheldon loves her or is committed to her. That stupid weepy breakdown in the car is basically the only sodding time recently that Amy's whined about marriage and progress - especially given the warp-speed at which they've moved this season. Before that it was Amy who wanted a time-out, Amy who was dating other dudes, Amy who wanted back into the relationship with no conditions, Amy who took coitus off the table during the moving-in episode, Amy who needed to be manipulated into continuing cohabitation, and Amy who hightailed it when Sheldon wanted to drop trou and make babies. But yeah, sure, one moment where Amy is trying to play along with Penny and Bernie's frustrations, and the show would like you to ignore all other available evidence and believe that Amy's desperate for a ring, is unhappy with where her relationship is at, Sheldon's a flight-risk, etcetera etcetera etcetera.

Now, to be clear: Amy's allowed to want to get married. Nobody's saying no. I'm just saying that it's a bit of a stretch for the show to pull that card given that Amy's the one who has repeatedly put the kibosh on precipitate forward momentum and hasn't otherwise shown all that keen an appetite for formal/traditional arrangements. And also, sadly, there's been too much blood under the bridge with the push/pull for me to relish more of it. If there must be a proposal, I'd like it to be pretty matter-of-fact.

In fact....hey, @April, do you remember ages back when we were spitballing about a Shamy wedding, and you floated the idea of a Shamy wedding happening offscreen and for the pair to bring it up with shrugged shoulders? I would be completely on board. Just basically: 'oh yeah, we got married. Now if you'll excuse us, we've got a Renaissance Fayre to go to!'

Edited March 5, 2017 by wowbagger

[Stephen Hawking]

19 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

Amy's shocked and leaves, followed by Sheldon.

Isn't that a little like the end of The Love Spell Potential?

19 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

(Unless recently-deceased Aunt has left a nicer one.)

Sheldon's Aunt has died?

Edited March 5, 2017 by Stephen Hawking

[anicez]

12 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

What is material is their age, especially Amy's. They've talked about children with varying levels of seriousness for over six years.

I Totally agree about the age problem, with Penny is easy because she is like 6-7 years younger than the rest, right? but with Amy is difficult because she in her thirty-something right? maybe 35-36? and with two more seasons in advance she is going to be near 40 for the season 12, difficult time for a first-mom to start trying. 
But the important thing is, the cast say that they don´t want babies on set so I doubt so much that we´ll see again a pregnancy plot for much that I would love to see a big belly on Amy, a super excited Sheldon about his coming-progeny, reading all the pregnancy books and making Amy get crazy about what she eat and what she need to do all the time...  (so fun plots, damn! I want to see that)

[spidergirl]

3 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said:

Isn't that a little like the end of The Love Spell Potential?

Sheldon's Aunt has died?

I think @joyceraye meant Amy's aunt.

[Stephen Hawking]

2 minutes ago, spidergirl said:

I think @joyceraye meant Amy's aunt.

So Sheldon would propose, using a ring Amy gave to him?

[spidergirl]

11 minutes ago, anicez said:

I Totally agree about the age problem, with Penny is easy because she is like 6-7 years younger than the rest, right? but with Amy is difficult because she in her thirty-something right? maybe 35-36? and with two more seasons in advance she is going to be near 40 for the season 12, difficult time for a first-mom to start trying. 
But the important thing is, the cast say that they don´t want babies on set so I doubt so much that we´ll see again a pregnancy plot for much that I would love to see a big belly on Amy, a super excited Sheldon about his coming-progeny, reading all the pregnancy books and making Amy get crazy about what she eat and what she need to do all the time...  (so fun plots, damn! I want to see that)

It is difficult but very possible. Two friends of mine had their first baby at 40 after a few tries in a timeline of one year. I would like to see Amy , even for last two or three episodes or something alike in s12 being ready for having a baby with Sheldon. Their lovestory has been different from mostly of love stories we met in our daily lives and it would be really a nice touch as they got parents whose age is not also the commun  age for most of couples be parents. Love has not an ideal age for appear in a person's life and the chance of  parenthood has not always come up in such ideal conditions, many times became a challenge in a life of a couple who love each other.

Edited March 5, 2017 by spidergirl

[anicez]

2 minutes ago, spidergirl said:

It is difficult but very possible. Two friends of mine had their first baby at 40 after a few tries in a timeline of one year. I would like to see Amy , even for last two or three episodes or something alike in s12 being ready for having a baby with Sheldon. Their lovestory has been different from mostly of love stories we met in our daily lives and it would be really a nice touch as they got parents whose age is not also the commun  age for most of couples be parents. Love has not an ideal age for appear in a person's life and the chance of  parenthood has not always come up in such ideal conditions, many times became a challenge in a life of a couple who love each other.

I can´t agree more with you, in fact it would be a very nice plot and for a lot of not-younger couples something that they can indentificate with, I hope we can see them talk about it, getting ready for the step and see them happily with their pregnancy.

And please, please a big belly for Amy, it´s just pure love for me! (one of my dream´s scene for them)  

[mirs1]

48 minutes ago, wowbagger said:

Yeah, but it's Sheldon who's obsessed with children and eggs and whatnot. Has Amy shown much anxiety about that on-screen?

Incidentally, the only way that I'd like the proposal issue to be resolved is for Amy to realise that she doesn't need the sodding ring to prove that Sheldon loves her or is committed to her. That stupid weepy breakdown in the car is basically the only sodding time recently that Amy's whined about marriage and progress - especially given the warp-speed at which they've moved this season. Before that it was Amy who wanted a time-out, Amy who was dating other dudes, Amy who wanted back into the relationship with no conditions, Amy who took coitus off the table during the moving-in episode, Amy who needed to be manipulated into continuing cohabitation, and Amy who hightailed it when Sheldon wanted to drop trou and make babies. But yeah, sure, one moment where Amy is trying to play along with Penny and Bernie's frustrations, and the show would like you to ignore all other available evidence and believe that Amy's desperate for a ring, is unhappy with where her relationship is at, Sheldon's a flight-risk, etcetera etcetera etcetera.

Now, to be clear: Amy's allowed to want to get married. Nobody's saying no. I'm just saying that it's a bit of a stretch for the show to pull that card given that Amy's the one who has repeatedly put the kibosh on precipitate forward momentum and hasn't otherwise shown all that keen an appetite for formal/traditional arrangements. And also, sadly, there's been too much blood under the bridge with the push/pull for me to relish more of it. If there must be a proposal, I'd like it to be pretty matter-of-fact.

In fact....hey, @April, do you remember ages back when we were spitballing about a Shamy wedding, and you floated the idea of a Shamy wedding happening offscreen and for the pair to bring it up with shrugged shoulders? I would be completely on board. Just basically: 'oh yeah, we got married. Now if you'll excuse us, we've got a Renaissance Fayre to go to!'

As for having kids, I agree 100% with you, it's not Amy the one with baby fever or obsessed by biological clock, it's Sheldon. Pretty sure we will never see Shamy babies on screen (thanks goodness, if I may add), but if the plot will ever come up,  my money is on Sheldon bringing that up.

But, does Amy really want to get married? This is an interesting question, and probably one which doesn't have a unique answer, if we look at the show history. When in past seasons she was referring to her relationship with Sheldon, it looked to me as her earnest wish was for them to live together more than to get married. In S. 6  (when the push-and-pull dynamic for them was more evident) she even proposed him to become his roommate, and we all know how it went. She also referred to that wish in the Christmas episode in S. 7. Finally this season she got what she has always wanted, she and Sheldon are living together and she has realized that it takes time and effort to adjust to it, it's not just the romantic and fluffy thing she expected, but her relationship is going "better than ever" now.

 It's also true that she has always had a very idealized opinion on weddings, she had already planned her wedding song back in S. 5 . TBH, at the times, I considered that more related with her love of traditions and with her general confusion about what she really considers romantic vs what generally people consider romantic than to a genuine wish to get married. Anyway she repeated more or less the same pattern at Lenny's second wedding, she was more excited for it than the bride herself. The difference is that during the wedding she thought her "moment" to get engaged had arrived, thanks to that stupid misunderstanding when Sheldon made his speech (luckily the last time that kind of jokes happened), and she seemed really looking forward to that. I got the same impression with the car scene, her dissatisfaction with the situation was sure out of the blue,  she is shown to be really happy since she and Sheldon live together, but it somehow represent a feeling that to me is human and understandable, since she already knows Sheldon is contemplating marriage. 

Edited March 5, 2017 by mirs1

[spidergirl]

5 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

As for having kids, I agree 100% with you, it's not Amy the one with baby fever or obsessed by biological clock, it's Sheldon. Pretty sure we will never see Shamy babies on screen (thanks goodness, if I may add), but if the plot will ever come up,  my money is on Sheldon bringing that up.

But, does Amy really want to get married? This is an interesting question, and probably one which doesn't have a unique answer, if we look at the show history. When in past seasons she was referring to her relationship with Sheldon, it looked to me as her earnest wish was for them to live together more than to get married. In S. 6  (when the push-and-pull dynamic for them was more evident) she even proposed him to become his roommate, and we all know how it went. She also referred to that wish in the Christmas episode in S. 7. Finally this season she got what she has always wanted, she and Sheldon are living together and she has realized that it takes time and effort to adjust to it, it's not just the romantic and fluffy thing she expected, but her relationship is going "better than ever" now.

 It's also true that she has always had a very idealized opinion on weddings, she had already planned her wedding song back in S. 5 . TBH, at the times, I considered that more related with her love of traditions and with her general confusion about what she really considers romantic vs what generally people consider romantic than to a genuine wish to get married. Anyway she repeated more or less the same pattern at Lenny's second wedding, she was more excited for it than the bride herself. The difference is that during the wedding she thought her "moment" to get engaged had arrived, thanks to that stupid misunderstanding when Sheldon made his speech (luckily the last time that kind of jokes happened), and she seemed really looking forward to that. I got the same impression with the car scene, her dissatisfaction with the situation was sure out of the blue,  she is shown to be really happy since she and Sheldon live together, but it somehow represent a feeling that to me is human and understandable, since she already knows Sheldon is contemplating marriage. 

Good point about the possibility Amy want to get married or not. Amy had several preconceived ideas about many things that she had learned through the years that some of them people made their own opinions from their experiences in these subjects. Romantic stuff was one of them.  She seems to be still romantic woman but with a more realistic vision of the world nowadays. For me shamy could not get married that their relationship would be so true as it has been since the beginning. However Amy deserve to have their traditional wedding dress and wears her tiara, so I am in for that ring on her finger and all celebrations.

About Amy and  babies she said to Sheldon when he wanted to conceive one "not now". Maybe I am in minority here but I think she might have not thinking of that possibility fully yet as they had had other priorities through the years, especially concerned to Sheldon who took long to realize he wanted a full relationship with Amy. As a man can have offspring not matter his age, maybe that's why Sheldon has spoken about the subject more than Amy so far, as fan of preparedness as he is, lol! If you ask me if they are ready for becoming parents, I think they would eventually get there but not just yet. I hope they could enjoy marriage before getting to an eventual adventure in parenthood land.

[April]

38 minutes ago, wowbagger said:

Yeah, but it's Sheldon who's obsessed with children and eggs and whatnot. Has Amy shown much anxiety about that on-screen?

Incidentally, the only way that I'd like the proposal issue to be resolved is for Amy to realise that she doesn't need the sodding ring to prove that Sheldon loves her or is committed to her. That stupid weepy breakdown in the car is basically the only sodding time recently that Amy's whined about marriage and progress - especially given the warp-speed at which they've moved this season. Before that it was Amy who wanted a time-out, Amy who was dating other dudes, Amy who wanted back into the relationship with no conditions, Amy who took coitus off the table during the moving-in episode, Amy who needed to be manipulated into continuing cohabitation, and Amy who hightailed it when Sheldon wanted to drop trou and make babies. But yeah, sure, one moment where Amy is trying to play along with Penny and Bernie's frustrations, and the show would like you to ignore all other available evidence and believe that Amy's desperate for a ring, is unhappy with where her relationship is at, Sheldon's a flight-risk, etcetera etcetera etcetera.

Now, to be clear: Amy's allowed to want to get married. Nobody's saying no. I'm just saying that it's a bit of a stretch for the show to pull that card given that Amy's the one who has repeatedly put the kibosh on precipitate forward momentum and hasn't otherwise shown all that keen an appetite for formal/traditional arrangements. And also, sadly, there's been too much blood under the bridge with the push/pull for me to relish more of it. If there must be a proposal, I'd like it to be pretty matter-of-fact.

In fact....hey, @April, do you remember ages back when we were spitballing about a Shamy wedding, and you floated the idea of a Shamy wedding happening offscreen and for the pair to bring it up with shrugged shoulders? I would be completely on board. Just basically: 'oh yeah, we got married. Now if you'll excuse us, we've got a Renaissance Fayre to go to!'

Ha! Yes, I do. And tbh I'd still be game for it!

Like, let's get this engagement thing over with with all the romantic fluff and whatnot because at this point we kinda have to. The show itself has teased the audience several times now with with "Will Sheldon propose to Amy now!??" scenarios basically since the ring was revealed. Plus, Amy knows about the ring now and evidently really wants Sheldon to give it to her. So Sheldon popping the question in some grand manner like many of the big Shamy moments seems inevitable.

But by all means let them realise that they're basically married already so now that the final question about their commitment to each other is answered I don't need a big fancy wedding. Again, this might just be me being terribly unromantic about this, but a wedding ceremony is more for family and friends so if Shamy have an "eff that noise, we're doing this just for us!" moment I'd happily cheer them on. Heck, for all I care they can go "If we marry right now we can get tax deductions!" - "Sure, let's go!" I'd be fine with it. lol (Idk if there are any deadlines that would make this work with US tax laws.)

Anyway, as @mirs1 already pointed out above: Is it a likely scenario? With their tendency to turn Amy into an adorable teenager, bless her heart, I think they'll probably go with her being over the moon and wanting something big.

[Stephen Hawking]

1 hour ago, anicez said:

but with Amy is difficult because she in her thirty-something right? maybe 35-36?

According to BBT Wiki, Amy was born "December 17 in the 1980s"

That makes her currently somewhere between 27 and 37 years old.

I'm thinking the medium to high end as, no offence to the lady herself (who is gorgeous), but Mayim doesn't look under 30.

57 minutes ago, anicez said:

And please, please a big belly for Amy

Oh yes, definitely.  

[Die Zimtzicke]

1 hour ago, wowbagger said:

Now, to be clear: Amy's allowed to want to get married. Nobody's saying no. I'm just saying that it's a bit of a stretch for the show to pull that card given that Amy's the one who has repeatedly put the kibosh on precipitate forward momentum and hasn't otherwise shown all that keen an appetite for formal/traditional arrangements.

But when once asked by Penny and Bernadette, she said she expected to marry Sheldon and said how many years it would be. And that's where we're at now, isn't it?

[Stephen Hawking]

49 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

When in past seasons she was referring to her relationship with Sheldon, it looked to me as her earnest wish was for them to live together more than to get married. 

Except in The Decoupling Fluctuation.

2 minutes ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

And that's where we're at now, isn't it?

Actually, we're a bit past it.

[Jedichic98]

Sorry for interjecting a change of topic—but it's something thats been present in my mind all day:

While I'm happy (very much) with this season, on my wishlist would be more stories that show Amy more as her own character. And i've already written an idea for an episode in my head on how I want it to go. (ironically I have writer's block for a script as a class assignment):

The gang would find out that Amy will be spending an evening alone in 4B. They track down Sheldon and demand to know what he did to make her upset. They would rant on how he's clearly leaving her to do his own selfish thing. Leading to Sheldon calmly stating that Amy will be alone that night because she wanted to. That Amy (on some level) misses her freedom to have a little "Amy Time" and just be in her own company. Sheldon would then state that he fully understands that need, and that he supports her. Penny still has a hard time believing it—Amy "I never had any friends" Fowler wants to be alone?! She finds Amy, who in kind reassures her that, yes, she just wants to do her own thing that night. Cut to Penny in the other apartment, clearly looking fidgety, and glancing at the door, she eventually gets fed up and bursts through the door of 4B...only to find Amy on the couch doing her own Amy things. (Having an EEG on her head and/or watching a jane austen film while reading the corresponding book to compare) Maybe sitting under her afghan and knitting, eating junk food etc. Penny would be...well Penny "Really? This is how you want to spend your Saturday night?" (side note: I love the PAMY friendship, but I think some friction is long overdue for them, if anything for variety) Amy could then make a comment that maybe Penny's just having a hard time comprehending that "wall flower Amy" can exist outside of Penny's world now. That she's grown from being afraid to be alone. Penny would ask her how can be happy living like an old lady (or something to that affect), wouldn't she rather go out and have some real fun. 

Amy would start to explain—but then stop herself. "No, I don't have to defend myself. I am having fun, even it doesn't make sense to you" this could then lead to them discussing how Penny (and the rest of the gang) patronize her life (her fashion choices, her hobbies, her relationship) This part could be really heartfelt, with the two reaching equal ground and a better understanding. 

We've seen those two start to be on more equal ground —which is fantastic, but I would love for Amy to defend herself, and her way of life. She is her own character with her own interests and she should be allowed to express that. I'm glad this season they seem to be weaning themselves off from the "Amy is normal/poor Amy" trope, but to let her be quirky (and proud of it) I feel would be the icing on the cake.  

Or maybe I'm just rambling, I don't know. Ignore me. 

[spidergirl]

9 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said:

Oh yes, definitely.  

So for you a pregnant woman is sexy? Cool! 

[Stephen Hawking]

29 minutes ago, spidergirl said:

However Amy deserve to have their traditional wedding dress and wears her tiara

Especially since she's trice been denied the opportunity, to participate in a traditional wedding.

4 minutes ago, spidergirl said:

So for you a pregnant woman is sexy?

To quote Penny:-

Ubabsubolubuteluby.

12 minutes ago, Jedichic98 said:

she eventually gets fed up and bursts through the door of 4B...only to find Amy on the couch doing her own Amy things.

For a minute there, when you said Amy was "doing her own Amy things", I had visions of Penny bursting in on Amy and Gerard.  

[spidergirl]

17 minutes ago, Jedichic98 said:

Sorry for interjecting a change of topic—but it's something thats been present in my mind all day:

While I'm happy (very much) with this season, on my wishlist would be more stories that show Amy more as her own character. And i've already written an idea for an episode in my head on how I want it to go. (ironically I have writer's block for a script as a class assignment):

The gang would find out that Amy will be spending an evening alone in 4B. They track down Sheldon and demand to know what he did to make her upset. They would rant on how he's clearly leaving her to do his own selfish thing. Leading to Sheldon calmly stating that Amy will be alone that night because she wanted to. That Amy (on some level) misses her freedom to have a little "Amy Time" and just be in her own company. Sheldon would then state that he fully understands that need, and that he supports her. Penny still has a hard time believing it—Amy "I never had any friends" Fowler wants to be alone?! She finds Amy, who in kind reassures her that, yes, she just wants to do her own thing that night. Cut to Penny in the other apartment, clearly looking fidgety, and glancing at the door, she eventually gets fed up and bursts through the door of 4B...only to find Amy on the couch doing her own Amy things. (Having an EEG on her head and/or watching a jane austen film while reading the corresponding book to compare) Maybe sitting under her afghan and knitting, eating junk food etc. Penny would be...well Penny "Really? This is how you want to spend your Saturday night?" (side note: I love the PAMY friendship, but I think some friction is long overdue for them, if anything for variety) Amy could then make a comment that maybe Penny's just having a hard time comprehending that "wall flower Amy" can exist outside of Penny's world now. That she's grown from being afraid to be alone. Penny would ask her how can be happy living like an old lady (or something to that affect), wouldn't she rather go out and have some real fun. 

Amy would start to explain—but then stop herself. "No, I don't have to defend myself. I am having fun, even it doesn't make sense to you" this could then lead to them discussing how Penny (and the rest of the gang) patronize her life (her fashion choices, her hobbies, her relationship) This part could be really heartfelt, with the two reaching equal ground and a better understanding. 

We've seen those two start to be on more equal ground —which is fantastic, but I would love for Amy to defend herself, and her way of life. She is her own character with her own interests and she should be allowed to express that. I'm glad this season they seem to be weaning themselves off from the "Amy is normal/poor Amy" trope, but to let her be quirky (and proud of it) I feel would be the icing on the cake.  

Or maybe I'm just rambling, I don't know. Ignore me. 

Good points about Amy's character @Jedichic98!

If the show could do something like you wrote! I would love to see Amy defending more her hobbies and interests as they made her happy rather  to be a popular woman and the icing on the cake would be Sheldon supporting her! Crossing fingers for the show can offer us oneday scenes like you described. If you wrote more about them, please let me know

[wowbagger]

1 hour ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

But when once asked by Penny and Bernadette, she said she expected to marry Sheldon and said how many years it would be. And that's where we're at now, isn't it?

Hee! Ah, that line. The source of so much speculation and angst. If the showrunners remember that line, I will eat my hat.

But also: Well, as mirs points out, it's an equivocal story at best how Amy feels about marriage. Even in the episode where Amy found out that Sheldon had a ring, she said 'who says I want to get engaged?' And something about not wanting the stupid ring? And for every weepy reference to marriage, we have an Amy who puts the brakes on Sheldon's own desire to move forward. We have consistent evidence that Amy wants proof that Sheldon thinks about the two of them as a unit. Where marriage and babies enter into the picture is a slightly different thing.