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2 minutes ago, koops said:

I agree completely. Although, to be fair, they were discussing what attracted Sheldon to Amy (emphasis on the past), as in, what was the first thing that made him want to date her. I don't think that applies to the here and now, or that Sheldon loves her body now because of that. Indeed, Amy herself used the past tense: "He knew he could harvest a organ". In that sense, it's not as bad because, like I said, there's no way Sheldon was first attracted physically to Amy. And I don't think she was either (notice how he talks about his intelligence attracting Amy). But I still agree that the eyebrow raise wasn't meant to imply that Sheldon was attracted to her body in the conventional way, just confirming that Amy was right. 

Nonetheless, I'm still fed up with these jokes. Get over it, Jesus. Nobody is going to throw a fit and stop watching the show because Sheldon finds his girlfriend physically attractive. 

Yes, of course, that doesn't apply now, the question was clearly about what prompted him to date Amy seven years ago. I agree these jokes are becoming stale, even if TBH we didn't get many of those this season, the roles have been pretty much reversed up to now, with Sheldon being intentionally seductive and Amy that doesn't get it or for one reason or the other doesn't want to be seduced, LOL! That's why I'm more forgiving about it now than I was last season, which was a festival of oblivious Sheldon when it comes to sexual innuendos...

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Good morning everyone, I totally agree with you guys, this episode was stolen totally for the howardette plot, the Bert plot was boring and all the caracthers were so akward. In this season is the worse episode (imo).
 
About Shamy, the only part I liked was the fwf scene but turn so quickly to a repetitive plot with Bert calling as in the valentines episode. The rest of their interations were horrible, I totally hate when Amy trates him as a child, with the time-out, the raising your hand before speak ... Come on writters, seriously? I don´t know why the audience laughed with this scenes at all, and not only for shamy, with Lenny too, I´m so tired of that "jokes", they were (the both couples) together for a lot of years and they love each other, why is still funny that they trate bad or the begging leonard, or the non attrative Amy when we know is not like that anymore?

Sorry for not be more supportive today but I wasn´t expecting an episode like this at the last part of the season, with just three more episode to the end. Writters you can do it better, I didn´t laugh in the episode at all (a smile at first with the fwf scene).
I hope the next one is better and the two episodes for tapping will be amazing, I know they can do it! *cross fingers*

I forget about Sheldon saying "a lot of thing, her mind, her kindness ..." (that was cute, but I missed a smile in Amy, she was like knowing that the body thing was coming).

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A part of me wonders if they wrote this one around the time they were clinching renewals and therefore that's why it was so awkward and pointless and disjointed. Not that we never had awkward and disjointed plots before, but never centered around a guest character and with such a pointless storyline. 

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The first 4:40 mins started great and If I hadn't known about spoilers I would think we were in for a great episode! Howardette/Stuart in the car with the impressions by Howard making me laugh and FWF always make me smile. That's all the good I can take from this one.

Was Sheldon pretty obnoxious in this one? With some of the dialogue I am leaning towards yes. Kind of a reminder that despite all the progress he has made this season he will revert back to old Sheldon in certain situations and that will never change. It is who he is, there is always a chance he will say something outrageous or hurtful, hopefully less the more he learns but to eradicate it completely just not possible.

But being told to leave the room and essentially sit on a naughty step with Frelling ridiculous and then later having to put his hand up was stupid. Amy is my favorite character on the entire show but I have to strongly criticize her for what she did in this one. Amy you need to remember Meemaw and what you told her when she told Sheldon to leave the room so the 'grown ups could talk'. You have said you are not his mother so actions like this go against that stance, it's the worst possible way of dealing with Sheldon when he is like this.

Don't know why this is but this is back to back seasons with episode 21 being one I really don't like. The Viewing Party Combustion is easily for me the worst episode in the last two years, this one isn't as bad as that but it's certainly in my opinion closer to that than the sheer brilliance of The Veracity Elasticity of this season or other great episodes over the years.

Hope I haven't been too critical, there are times when you sometimes hold back others you just want to tell it how it is or how you perceived it. I did not like this one as a Shamy, but judging from social media countless millions will have loved this one.

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I‘am wondering when the two of them knew their blood type.

I kind of believe it happened during they communicated for 4 months after their first meeting.      the FWF plot brings me back to S9E15..

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2 hours ago, mirs1 said:

TBH, and sorry if I rain in your parade, I had the vibe that when Amy said Sheldon loved her for her body because they had the same blood-type, it was a joke to be taken literally. When he looked at Raj raising his eyebrow in a malicious way for me he was just confirming that was exactly what he meant. Anyway, I liked the way he softened his voice when he spoke about Amy's mind and kindness....

Yep Sheldon ran with the gag with the eyebrow acknowledgement. It would have been nice if Sheldon had reiterated the body line after Amy's gag but that was clearly a step too far for the writers. 'zOMG we can't have Sheldon flat out saying he likes her body!!!'.

For the record I think there is strong evidence he does, the way he looks at her and other examples. Just would be nice if he flat out told her or voiced it in front of others, maybe in Season 11 or 12? It would not be out of character now.

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34 minutes ago, koops said:

A part of me wonders if they wrote this one around the time they were clinching renewals and therefore that's why it was so awkward and pointless and disjointed. Not that we never had awkward and disjointed plots before, but never centered around a guest character and with such a pointless storyline. 

I think it's more one of  those pointless "filler" episode they write towards the end of the season because they don't want to show their hand for the season finale. Last season we got that awful GoT episode (10.21 was much better than 9.21, IMO) and in S. 8 we got the Communication Deterioration, which was totally unfunny to me...I kinda see a pattern here.

15 minutes ago, sdffcx said:

I‘am wondering when the two of them knew their blood type.

I kind of believe it happened during they communicated for 4 months after their first meeting.      the FWF plot brings me back to S9E15..

That sounds like the kind of ice-breaker question Sheldon or Amy would ask; some ask  "What sign are you?" when they meet somebody for the first time (especially during a date), I can totally see Sheldon or Amy leaning towards blood-types instead, LOL!

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5 minutes ago, bfm said:

 

First of all, I would like to say that after the first time they used that joke last night (when Shamy get back to the appartement) I had enough of it, it wasn't very funny after that. I laughed at that first time and I think it was also better because you could see Ay was embarrased by it, implying her behavior was not optimal. 

 

Good point about Amy here.

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26 minutes ago, bfm said:

Hi there my Shamy friends! I wanted to weigh in a little about the parent-child thing. I wasn't sure where to post it but I believe it is fundamentally supportive so I decided to go for the shipping thread. @Tensor I hope you will find my decision acceptable.

First of all, I would like to say that after the first time they used that joke last night (when Shamy get back to the appartement) I had enough of it, it wasn't very funny after that. I laughed at that first time and I think it was also better because you could see Ay was embarrased by it, implying her behavior was not optimal. 

However, I do sometimes like childlike Sheldon. That brings me to my main point because I think my perception could be related to it. I do understand Amy getting to this place. There is sort of a sad truth behind it. Sheldon is hard to deal with and makes his friends and girlfriend want to control him at times because he fails to behave in a moe appropriate and more pleasant way. I have a grandfather who probably has an undiagnosed ASD (my sister having ASD could support this suggestion since there is a genetic factor to it). He is not as condescending as Sheldon and doesn't mock people and diminish them in front of their faces (although he is somewhat narcissistic/arrogant at times but that is not a feature of ASD, IMO it is more of a defense which is probably also the case with Sheldon). However, he can be hard to be with. He keeps telling his long stories and talking about mechanics and history at lenght. This is not an age thing, it is a symptom of ASD. It is like Sheldon and his interest in trains . He is also kind of out of touch with what's happening at times because he is busy with his stories. My grandmother treats him like a child a lot of the time. She is also tired of his stories. the Shamy sequence before going to the train museum reminded me of them so much, especially Amy in the bed part. I'm not saying this is good and I'm certianly not saying that my grandparents' relationship is good but I do understand her and I understand Amy too. Of course TBBT is a comedy so it is exaggereted but to me there is an understandable basis for it. I hope Shamy will learn how to handle those things better but it is a process, a lifetime process actually. So I don't see it as something that undermines their love somehow (neither do you guys, I believe) but something they need to learn how to handle, one of the challenges they have to face. Sometimes they face it better, sometimes they don't.  

Thank you so much for sharing your shamy thoughts. They helped me to see some of the things that I liked less in episode by other light. All thoughts contributions about the episodes are imo helpful. Even when  users dont agree much with each others points they usual  help the others to understand sometimes some things harder to understand . That's why I love to share my thoughts here. They sometimes might be not much elaborate or deep as others but they are from my heart and I always love to learn more about the things I enjoy more or I know less. 

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I think the crux of my issue with the child  treatment to Sheldon from Amy in plotlines  that involve the gang altogether or people strange to their usual circle of friends is  the non privacy thing. I mean we know Sheldon has some issues about reading emotions and behave in group as he might need often some support about it and Amy is indeed the best person in his life to help him, even the fact she sometimes doesnt do it in the best way because she herself has some social issues as well.  Although Amy's social issues are not so deep as Sheldon’s, Amy tries her best to do it well herself and to help her boyfriend, which is sweet and meanigful as they trust each other to help the other in any trouble they have. It is realy heartfelt to see Sheldon  is  so confortable to trust Amy when he overeacted about some social interaction even when her methods are not much ortodox. In conclusion I understand all shamy dynamic in moments like these as they are aganst the world as they complete each other and they are the best to read and help mutually. I only wished that the show doesnt cross the line child treatment in public as a method to avoid embarassement for both of them. However writers seem to enjoy it and many of live audience as well. I dont but I know it is for a good cause as Amy doesnt do it harmfully but with all her heart to help Sheldon in any situation. At least she called him back to 4 A last night as she was sure Rebecca was a digger. :)

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Just catching up with everything here !! My sheep are lambing at the moment so it's constant right now !
Anyway - I enjoyed the episode much more than I thought I would.
FWF was fantastic !
I was ok to a point with Amy and her sending Sheldon out etc BUT I certainly wouldn't want that to become something we see often, I understand they are highlighting that Amy is getting him to understand etc - but I felt the slap on the back and put your hand up was a bit too far for my taste .
However the Mind, kindness & body ( & he totally meant Body !!!! ) stole the whole episode for me - totally adorable
On a side note I loved Howardette & Stuart in this episode !


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1 hour ago, spidergirl said:

I think the crux of my issue with the child  treatment to Sheldon from Amy in plotlines  that involve the gang altogether or people strange to their usual circle of friends is  the non privacy thing. I mean we know Sheldon has some issues about reading emotions and behave in group as he might need often some support about it and Amy is indeed the best person in his life to help him, even the fact she sometimes doesnt do it in the best way because she herself has some social issues as well.  Although Amy's social issues are not so deep as Sheldon’s, Amy tries her best to do it well herself and to help her boyfriend, which is sweet and meanigful as they trust each other to help the other in any trouble they have. It is realy heartfelt to see Sheldon  is  so confortable to trust Amy when he overeacted about some social interaction even when her methods are not much ortodox. In conclusion I understand all shamy dynamic in moments like these as they are aganst the world as they complete each other and they are the best to read and help mutually. I only wished that the show doesnt cross the line child treatment in public as a method to avoid embarassement for both of them. However writers seem to enjoy it and many of live audience as well. I dont but I know it is for a good cause as Amy doesnt do it harmfully but with her heart to help Sheldon in any situation. At least she called him back to 4 A last night as she was sure Rebecca was a digger. :)

 

Exactly.  It's  the method that irks me. So much.  doing it in public and in front of others and using words like "time out " and "think of what u did" are cringe . It would be better if Amy said "Sheldon can I talk to you in the hallway for a min?" And then they can have a hilarious private conversation where she corrects him or something like a friend and partner. It would be just as funny , but probably the writers just don't wanna write extra dialogues.

 

6 hours ago, Jonny said:

Yep Sheldon ran with the gag with the eyebrow acknowledgement. It would have been nice if Sheldon had reiterated the body line after Amy's gag but that was clearly a step too far for the writers. 'zOMG we can't have Sheldon flat out saying he likes her body!!!'.

For the record I think there is strong evidence he does, the way he looks at her and other examples. Just would be nice if he flat out told her or voiced it in front of others, maybe in Season 11 or 12? It would not be out of character now.

 

 I think what Sheldon answered seemed truthful enough . He was attracted to Amy because of her mind in the beginning. He wasn't physically attracted to her when they first met. Did Amy say she was also physically attracted to Sheldon when he mentioned using his intelligence to attract her ? No. I think they both were referring to the past -when they first met and they simply  answered Raj's question .  

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55 minutes ago, vonmar said:

Ok after a couple of views, as always I apologize if I repeat anything that has already been said.

Amy is always so delighted by the "house band's" musical intro.

The FWF flashback....Amy: " could have played that on my harp"

Sheldon basically doing taping an IG live with L/P in the 4A kitchen, so great to get Alex's IG post showing us how that was done.

The A/S stuff, when she scolded and/or kicked him out of the room, he was so willing to accept what was happening, like he wanted Amy to let him know when he had overstepped.  

"Don't you slam that door".."oh man"  that made me laugh.  And then she goes to fetch him.  I actually enjoyed all their exchanges, they seemed very in sync with each other in a very S/A way.

This.

I actually quite enjoyed their interactions in last night's ep. Call me crazy but I see a bit of flirty tone. Amy's treating Sheldon like a child is quite different from Mary's. When it comes to Mary, Sheldon is quite resistant because he doesn't think Mary's right. He listens to her mostly because she's his mom and he has to. But when Amy calls him out or tells him to raise his hands, Sheldon doesn't resist or fight a lot, if not at all. I think maybe subconsciously, Sheldon knows when he's being inappropriate and maybe he himself even wants to stop. But he can't so he waits for Amy to "save" him out of a situation he's not good at. Besides Amy's not a dictator. She's quite reasonable. When she finds out that Bert's girlfriend actually is only into his money, she brings Sheldon back.

Let me put it this way, I think the whole "treating Sheldon like a child" thing is not ideal, but also not that bad because Sheldon is not forced into it. He's pleased to have Amy guide him through social conventions he's unfamiliar with.  There's an old saying in Chinese called "yi ge yuan da yi ge yuan ai", which means "Fair exchange is no robbery". Maybe Amy's method is wrong, but they are Shamy and they are weird. So what sometimes he's being treated like a child? As long as it works for both of them.

 

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8 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

This.

I actually quite enjoyed their interactions in last night's ep. Call me crazy but I see a bit of flirty tone. Amy's treating Sheldon like a child is quite different from Mary's. When it comes to Mary, Sheldon is quite resistant because he doesn't think Mary's right. He listens to her mostly because she's his mom and he has to. But when Amy calls him out or tells him to raise his hands, Sheldon doesn't resist or fight a lot, if not at all. I think maybe subconsciously, Sheldon knows when he's being inappropriate and maybe he himself even wants to stop. But he can't so he waits for Amy to "save" him out of a situation he's not good at. Besides Amy's not a dictator. She's quite reasonable. When she finds out that Bert's girlfriend actually is only into his money, she brings Sheldon back.

Let me put it this way, I think the whole "treating Sheldon like a child" thing is not ideal, but also not that bad because Sheldon is not forced into it. He's pleased to have Amy guide him through social conventions he's unfamiliar with.  There's an old saying in Chinese called "yi ge yuan da yi ge yuan ai", which means "Fair exchange is no robbery". Maybe Amy's method is wrong, but they are Shamy and they are weird. So what sometimes he's being treated like a child? As long as it works for both of them.

 

Amy says "go" he says "fine" and then leaves the apartment.  He could have easily balked at the scolding, plopped himself down in his spot and continued to be inappropriate. He heeds Amy's warning and steps outside 4A, willingly. I found that very interesting.

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11 hours ago, vonmar said:

Amy says "go" he says "fine" and then leaves the apartment.  He could have easily balked at the scolding, plopped himself down in his spot and continued to be inappropriate. He heeds Amy's warning and steps outside 4A, willingly. I found that very interesting.

Sheldon is not Amy's dog.   Agree to disagree. I think they could have handled it better..

I prefer when they both learn from each other. So I do give writers credit for making Sheldon reading the room correctly. Sheldon was right about Rebecca - so maybe he is getting better at reading people and judging social situations. Amy was wrong about that and she admitted it.

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5 hours ago, vonmar said:

Amy says "go" he says "fine" and then leaves the apartment.  He could have easily balked at the scolding, plopped himself down in his spot and continued to be inappropriate. He heeds Amy's warning and steps outside 4A, willingly. I found that very interesting.

I think Sheldon's dialogue responses kind of made the whole thing seem even worse.

I also think some of us may have to agree to disagree on this one, I don't see any situation where that type of behaviour is good for their relationship even if Sheldon is perhaps a willing participant behind the scenes or they have an arrangement. It's a slippery slope and I hope I don't see anything like that again.

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8 hours ago, vonmar said:

Amy says "go" he says "fine" and then leaves the apartment.  He could have easily balked at the scolding, plopped himself down in his spot and continued to be inappropriate. He heeds Amy's warning and steps outside 4A, willingly. I found that very interesting.

Just as he did to Leonard and Penny.  

Most noticeably when his grandmother was visiting and he took instructions from L and P.

What Amy is doing is nothing new.

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