Ship Zone [Spoilers] Shamy: Season 10

[camelliayao]

28 minutes ago, Jonny83 said:

As a show they are doing the right thing by keeping people glued to the television in suspense, sure it's annoying for a shipper but it's good television show practice. If I was a tv exec I would be telling them to keep doing what they are doing.

I agree.

However, this strategy will only work if there is an answer and if the writers can eventually fix it perfectly. Otherwise I think neither general audience nor shippers will be satisfied.

[Susana Alcira]

 Our beloved SHAMY is UNIQUE, not a regular and ordinary couple.

SHAMY love story is awesome! Let the writers surprise us! They created SHAMY, they know SHAMY much better than us.

Don´t worry and enjoy our SHAMY !!!!

[kerrycec03]

 Our beloved SHAMY is UNIQUE, not a regular and ordinary couple.

SHAMY love story is awesome! Let the writers surprise us! They created SHAMY, they know SHAMY much better than us.

Don´t worry and enjoy our SHAMY !!!!

Hell yea!!! No gripes, no anxious feelings, shamy paradise is grand for me too and really enjoying the ride!!

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[Susana Alcira]

Just now, kerrycec03 said:

Hell yea!!! No gripes, no anxious feelings, shamy paradise is grand for me too and really enjoying the ride!!

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Kerry, as always, you and I are in the same page!! SHAMY is UNIQUE!!!!!

[vonmar]

@kerrycec03 I am totally on board with your idea that Ep4 maybe Amy taking Sheldon away to the flag convention to unwind.

Even though 10x1 is expected to be all about the Lenny redo/reception...I do think that we will get some cute S/A moments because they are pros at being adorable in the background.

[Kathy2611]

53 minutes ago, Jonny83 said:

As a show they are doing the right thing by keeping people glued to the television in suspense, sure it's annoying for a shipper but it's good television show practice. If I was a tv exec I would be telling them to keep doing what they are doing.

But the danger of that is dragging it out too much to the point that it gets ridiculous and they start losing fans over it (and yes, they have lost Shamy fans that gave up).  A lot of Shamy's aren't happy with their 1 year joke and if they stick to it, it could backfire on them badly.  Just like when Molaro said at one of those panels that maybe MeeMaw wouldn't like Amy but he quickly changed his mind when he got a negative response.  In the end, he got his way and just like at the panels, he got a negative response and now a lot of fans don't like MeeMaw.  His insistance that she not like Amy backfired on him.  Just like I think this will but I think it will be much worse. 

[2L344]

Im pretty much with @Jonny83 with the topic of coitus--as long as Amy is good with it, be it once a year or not, then Im okay with whatever the situation. That being said, I would naturally prefer that Shamy revisits the bedroom a little more often, and Im super okay if it was off camera if the writers just let us know its happening. We shouldnt have to guess. I would also like to see a little more affection between them compared to what we got after 9.11...

If the plot reverts to upset Amy not getting any and Sheldon acting clueless ( or worse, feeling like Amy should be grateful that he gifted his virginity to her) then anarchy could ensue for some of us fans! I doubt this would happen but on TBBT you just never can predict stuff...

Edited August 26, 2016 by 2L344

[Susana Alcira]

As we know about 10 x 2 and 10 x 3, Amy is not upset at all. We´ll see what happens in 10 x 1.

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[camelliayao]

I definitely wouldn't call Amy "upset", but I wouldn't say she's 100% happy with current situation either. By the look of 917 and 919, I'd say she's slightly dissatisfied. Also since Amy's a supporting character, we rarely get to see her point of view. So it's hard to tell how she feels.

More importantly, if the writers indeed want to drag things out, they can deliberately "make" Amy happy. After all they are the ones who tell the story. The problem is, logically, Amy wouldn't be that happy, as we all have seen how badly she wanted a physical relationship before, how much she enjoyed their first night and how she had hinted several times after their first time for them to sleep together again.

In a word, I just don't buy it that Amy will happyily stick to this once a year arrangement without even trying to have a conversation with Sheldon about coitus. She used to be able to  voice her needs, like in the D&D episode.

Edited August 26, 2016 by camelliayao

[rachelshamyfan]

Imo I don't think we should all get hopes up about the coitus thing, there is more to shamy than that, I'm happy with the current situation

[2L344]

1 hour ago, camelliayao said:

I definitely wouldn't call Amy "upset", but I wouldn't say she's 100% happy with current situation either. By the look of 917 and 919, I'd say she's slightly dissatisfied. Also since Amy's a supporting character, we rarely get to see her point of view. So it's hard to tell how she feels.

More importantly, if the writers indeed want to drag things out, they can deliberately "make" Amy happy. After all they are the ones who tell the story. The problem is, logically, Amy wouldn't be that happy, as we all have seen how badly she wanted a physical relationship before, how much she enjoyed their first night and how she had hinted several times after their first time for them to sleep together again.

In a word, I just don't buy it that Amy will happyily stick to this once a year arrangement without even trying to have a conversation with Sheldon about coitus. She used to be able to  voice her needs, like in the D&D episode.

The problem as I see it is the writers from time to time "hint" that maybe something inder the sheets is going on, but they leave things ambiguous (probably purposely so). Thats why there is this constant debate in Shamyland about the topic. 

Amy tells the gals she "knows" what it's like to have her man get carried away. Amy and Sheldon join Lenny for a weekend at a cabin, but the sleeping arrangements are never touched on. Maybe they shared a bed, maybe there was a third bedroom. 

Its frustrating for some of us while others are unaffected by this topic. Some fans assume they are "giving it" to each other while others are beginning to think sex was a one shot deal, with coitus being a "birthday gift" rather than an act of affection on Sheldon's part.

Who can blame either side for where they stand on it based on this ambiguity? We are all left to our imagination right now. Its been 13 episodes since coitus (15 or 16 if u count the TR's and the murky E1 of season 10). I for one would like S10 to give us some answers early on with regards to the physical relationship, on or off camera. Im not suggesting Im unhappy with Shamy overall, I saw a lot of things in the latters half of S9 that were pretty good all in all. BUT I think the time has come to tie up the coitus loose end (among a couple of other important things like L.A.).

I think it would be a simple thing really, but the longer this issue is dragged out the more frustrating (and therefore annoying) it all becomes for some of the fanbase. And annoyed people start to become folks who pick apart a show rather than celebrate its fun. 

We all see enough of THAT on other threads...

Edited August 26, 2016 by 2L344

[Jonny]

During the hiatus they downplayed the idea of a quick engagement because they said that Sheldon and Amy were in a really good place right now so they hinted that there would be no rush. I would agree that they are in the best place they have ever been in their relationship but I believe not only us Shamy shippers but also the general fan-base need to see examples of it more instead of telling us or indicating it's off camera stuff.

I said before the start of Season 10 major relationship advancement simply has to happen given that they are clearly madly in love with each other and are in such a good place and I am confident it will. Until I see otherwise that's the view I am going to take.

Edited August 26, 2016 by Jonny83

[spidergirl]

I agree about how frustrating is the ambigious thing about shamy, as we want so much for see more developing in their relatioship and it seems the writters dont want to take decisions. Argh!

However the ratings "speak" louder than they should as the writters need to keep some things slowly developing for keep the audience interested. How some of you said , keeping things too much slow has the risk of putting some of the fans away of the show. I must say I wont stop to watch the show for that but I agree there are things that need to develop  more soon, as Sheldon shows more emotionally growth for taking steps (even baby steps) foward in his realtionship with Amy (in commitment and living arrangements) and the Raj two girls dating thing that at moment it is becoming realy annoying and out of character, imo.

As I believe the show will have more  seasons past 10, the writters have to put more of developing of these wonderful characters lifes faster as including more nerd and science stuff. And  they are so many great things: pokemon go, new comics movies , stuff about water in Mars ( oh shamy and Mars stuff, hehe) for keeping this show alive and healthy, for our hapiness.  

Edited August 26, 2016 by Sofia Gomes

[April]

40 minutes ago, Jonny83 said:

During the hiatus they downplayed the idea of a quick engagement

IIRC they denied the idea of a quick wedding because someone asked them about that. /pedantic

~~~

Anyway, I totally feel you guys with the frustration of the slow development. Been there, done that, got the T-shirt. Will probably even be there again. I have mood swings like that. lol

But just to try and look at the big picture here: As annoying as it may be there's a pattern to this madness. Their progress excruciatingly slow but the writers also have never gone back on any of those developments but instead pushed forward. Like they say via Amy, they've come a short way very very slowly. And that's okay because like many of you I agree that Amy isn't portrayed as someone who's unhappy with the current status. Sure, she has her moments where she needs to vent a little but overall I don't get the impression that sex or the lack thereof is as much of a deal breaker as it would be for most other people. As I've noted several times during my recent rewatch Amy is really not the person to pressure Sheldon into these things and I didn't get the impression that she's particularly desperate for sex specifically. Not to mention that they do have a physical relationship - even if it may not include regular sex right now but we've heard and seen how Amy will just grab and kiss Sheldon on several occasions. If homegirl wants some sugar, she can get some anytime! LOL

If there's really a problem here though -and I think it might be in the sense of them both talking past each other at times- it is indeed time to sit down and discuss it.

It's a bit difficult to make a guess on how this season will progress with 10x01 still being a blank page. Thinking back to S9 though, it also only gained momentum with 9x04. The first three episodes established the break and only with 9x04 they started to dig into the ramifications of that. In a much less dramatic version S10 could do something similar. The first three episodes set the stage with the wedding redo (whatever may happen there???), the new project, etc etc. and then they can see how it all unravels from there on. Idk we'll see...

[spidergirl]

32 minutes ago, April said:

If there's really a problem here though -and I think it might be in the sense of them both talking past each other at times- it is indeed time to sit down and discuss it.

It's a bit difficult to make a guess on how this season will progress with 10x01 still being a blank page. Thinking back to S9 though, it also only gained momentum with 9x04. The first three episodes established the break and only with 9x04 they started to dig into the ramifications of that. In a much less dramatic version S10 could do something similar. The first three episodes set the stage with the wedding redo (whatever may happen there???), the new project, etc etc. and then they can see how it all unravels from there on. Idk we'll see...

My big worry about shamy is this indeed: the lack of sex wasnt the only issue for Amy broke up with Sheldon, it was more about lack of communication and they are away yet of a good communication between them for it result well as a couple. Athough Sheldon is improving and we can see he wants to , (the way he looked for Amy and wanted to get her back, even in his own special way of express himself, was really a huge improvement), we also know that Sheldon will always have emotional issues for having a good interaction with other people. The character has been developing so well but it is getting really to slow for his fans be happy, know what I mean?

Sheldon s confession about the storage to Amy was also a huge step in season 9, among the beginning of a physical relationship with his girlfriend but it is still missing those opened talks they used to have in begginning of their relationship and I really hope writters can show us that soon, as soon as Sheldon and Amy get more open to each other, as fast they get more times to sexual field and stepping  foward to next levels of their relationship.

Amy knows Sheldon well and understand  his mind but she really needs more of his heart and it is possible. He showed it in DD episode, in the storage one and how we could forget the gentle and loving way he calmed Amy down minutes before they made love for the first time?

Oh boy, cant wait for watching season 10 :D

Edited August 26, 2016 by Sofia Gomes

[Jonny]

45 minutes ago, April said:

If there's really a problem here though -and I think it might be in the sense of them both talking past each other at times- it is indeed time to sit down and discuss it.

It's a bit difficult to make a guess on how this season will progress with 10x01 still being a blank page. Thinking back to S9 though, it also only gained momentum with 9x04. The first three episodes established the break and only with 9x04 they started to dig into the ramifications of that. In a much less dramatic version S10 could do something similar. The first three episodes set the stage with the wedding redo (whatever may happen there???), the new project, etc etc. and then they can see how it all unravels from there on. Idk we'll see...

Communication has been bad between them at times since early on in their relationship, well not communication per se more being honest about feelings or about certain subjects. But if you compare that from say Season 4 or 5 to now it's way better but obviously not perfect. Is it even realistic to have this notion that couples do have perfect communication all the time? I don't think it is. Couples do experience miscommunication, or hold back views on certain things which sometimes causes a row but the good couples find a way to work through it. For the most part apart from the obvious breakup Shamy have done that.

I agree it's very early, if we get to say episode 10 and we have seen nothing then is the time to really grumble.

Edited August 26, 2016 by Jonny83

[Jonny]

Opening Night won 360 to 318!

A really good episode not only for Shamy but from start to finish with all the plots, writing and execution it was a masterpiece imo. I am shocked it won the whole thing but it did deserve to be up there with some of the very best episodes in the series.

Edited August 26, 2016 by Jonny83

[kerrycec03]

Let's celebrate!!!

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[boys3allc]

Woo hoo!!! Shamy wins!!!

 

[April]

42 minutes ago, Jonny83 said:

Opening Night won 360 to 318!

I'm still waiting for Tripper's official announcement. After that it's party time!! :D

1 hour ago, Sofia Gomes said:

My big worry about shamy is this indeed: the lack of sex wasnt the only issue for Amy broke up with Sheldon, it was more about lack of communication and they are away yet of a good communication between them for it result well as a couple. Athough Sheldon is improving and we can see he wants to , (the way he looked for Amy and wanted to get her back, even in his own special way of express himself, was really a huge improvement), we also know that Sheldon will always have emotional issues for having a good interaction with other people. The character has been developing so well but it is getting really to slow for his fans be happy, know what I mean?

Sheldon s confession about the storage to Amy was also a huge step in season 9, among the beginning of a physical relationship with his girlfriend but it is still missing those opened talks they used to have in begginning of their relationship and I really hope writters can show us that soon, as soon as Sheldon and Amy get more open to each other, as fast they get more times to sexual field and stepping  foward to next levels of their relationship.

Amy knows Sheldon well and understand  his mind but she really needs more of his heart and it is possible. He showed it in DD episode, in the storage one and how we could forget the gentle and loving way he calmed Amy down minutes before they made love for the first time?

Oh boy, cant wait for watching season 10 :D

IMHO the biggest reason for the breakup was Sheldon's lack of commitment - or at least how Amy saw it cause she had no idea about the ring and everything. Sheldon had such a hard time being honest with himself and her about his feelings that the moments when he'd open up to her were rather rare and she didn't know what to make of it. In her eyes he was a flight risk, he didn't seem committed, he frequently ignored her in favour of work or some silly hobby, etc. etc. Like she said to Dave: It all made her think she was putting in a lot of work and she was wondering if that was worth the hassle. (And that date at the aquarium reminded her that yes, it's worth it.)

But like you said, at lot of that has changed after the breakup and Sheldon's epiphany that she is making his life better and he's willing to embrace all that hippie-dippy relationship stuff now. Sure, he's not perfect and still oblivious to her flirting attempts and sometimes he messes things up. But for the most part he's more willing to show her his tender side, he's more open with her, and whatever makes him wait with the proposal or even stick to the once a year agreement I don't get the impression that he does it out of some misguided fear that this relationship is becoming too close or something. He's all in. He just needs time to figure some things out and Amy knows and understands that.

I have no doubt we'll see more of that in S10. Can't wait! :D

1 hour ago, Jonny83 said:

Communication has been bad between them at times since early on in their relationship, well not communication per se more being honest about feelings or about certain subjects. But if you compare that from say Season 4 or 5 to now it's way better but obviously not perfect. Is it even realistic to have this notion that couples do have perfect communication all the time? I don't think it is. Couples do experience miscommunication, or hold back views on certain things which sometimes causes a row but the good couples find a way to work through it. For the most part apart from the obvious breakup Shamy have done that.

I agree it's very early, if we get to say episode 10 and we have seen nothing then is the time to really grumble.

Yeah, no couple is perfect and I think it's unfair to expect that from Shamy. And overall I also think their communication skills improved a lot over time. If you look at the second half of S9 their communication issues were relatively minor. The worst really was 9x23 and that was a somewhat ridiculous scenario to begin with so I'm not too worried. If nothing else it reminded them that you need to work on a relationship constantly and not take your progress for granted.

Edited August 26, 2016 by April

[spidergirl]

16 minutes ago, April said:

 He just needs time to figure some things out and Amy knows and understands that.

I have no doubt we'll see more of that in S10. Can't wait! :D

 

So true! That's why they are so unique and beautiful together: in spite of their quirks, what they feel to each other is so pure and so lovely.

BTW, I believe there will be a great and cute shamy scene in episode one of season 10. Last year first episode of the season 9 broke our hearts so this time has to be something that will make our hearts melt!

Edited August 26, 2016 by spidergirl1975

[April]

19 minutes ago, spidergirl1975 said:

BTW, I believe there will be a great and cute shamy scene in episode one of season 10. Last year first episode of the season 9 broke our hearts so this time has to be something that will make our hearts melt!

I really hope for some cuteness, too, even if it's just them being hippy-dippy in the background somewhere. lol

[spidergirl]

1 minute ago, April said:

I really hope for some cuteness, too, even if it's just them being hippy-dippy in the background somewhere. lol

Shamy in scene is always powerfull: it only needs that they look at each other's eyes, no matter the circunstance, and that usually talks tons of unspoken words <3

[joyceraye]

1 hour ago, Jonny83 said:

Communication has been bad between them at times since early on in their relationship, well not communication per se more being honest about feelings or about certain subjects. But if you compare that from say Season 4 or 5 to now it's way better but obviously not perfect. Is it even realistic to have this notion that couples do have perfect communication all the time? I don't think it is. Couples do experience miscommunication, or hold back views on certain things which sometimes causes a row but the good couples find a way to work through it. For the most part apart from the obvious breakup Shamy have done that.

I agree it's very early, if we get to say episode 10 and we have seen nothing then is the time to really grumble.

I agree with the point that it's not communication as such between them that's been the problem, whatever Amy told Beverly. Sheldon was left in no doubt about what Amy wanted since she decided 'all forms of touching, up to and including coitus' were no longer 'off the table'. He's a difficult person for anybody to get through to, especially when he wants to be. He was quite clear to her about his own position re intimacy.

Before the break-up, Sheldon's own communication with himself was a bigger issue. His thoughts and his feelings didn't talk to each other. In fact his thoughts disdained his feelings for years. Amy was also on the receiving end of too much disdain, which was one of the things I'm sure led to her to consider 'taking a step back' even before the 'Flash' question.

Following Amy's statement that she was taking time off to think, the first feeling of Sheldon's that we saw him show her was a bewildered anger. Wonderful Sheldon that I am, how dare that quirky creature fail to appreciate the prize that is me ? It was after that when he began to admit he'd not been perfect : 'Amy's wedding when she marries someone better than me.'

It was only as time went by that he acknowledged what the separation was really about, 'Amy had reservations about our relation ship.' If he'd accepted that in the first place and given her time, a lot of distress could have been avoided. It took him until Thanksgiving to admit 'getting over you' had been difficult. Only then could Amy have been sure he'd suffered any grief at all.

I think it was a good job he didn't get around to proposing before 0824. If he had, and she'd accepted, he'd have led her a dog's life judged by the way he spoke to her sometimes. Even by the Spockumentary he'd still not expressed any intention to change; he told Lenny as he was stalking out of the door that if Amy said ' Yes' the relationship would pick up where it had left off.

It was only trying to live without Amy that he learned the value of the relationship. He gained so much by that discovery that he was glad he went through it. His feelings for her could be part of his life and they were good. I think he's enjoying the stage they're at. They're courting without the need of a chase and there are no wedding arrangements overshadowing things. In his own words he gave her his genitals as a 'gift to her', not a loan, so presumably she can make use of them whenever she makes it clear she wants to. She's openly stated that her greatest gift was that he was born so he can afford to feel secure for a while that she's staying. He still doesn't want her to 'think less' of him but to me that's fair enough.