Ship Zone [Spoilers] Shamy: Season 10

[April]

23 minutes ago, koops said:

Not only it would "normalize" them, but it would do so overnight. Look, had Shamy been having an "average" sex life all along since 9x11, and we had gotten hints that this had awakened something closer to an "average" sex drive for them, I might MAYBE see where some drama and angst could come into play. But they aren't like that. They've never been like that. And for it to be an overnight thing it *has* to be based on sex only, whatever "threat" comes from a third party because there's simply no way they're going to meet someone and fall in love all of a sudden. So, again, none of these pieces fit together in any way with what we know. Even if Sheldon knows Ramona from before, it was at most a week and he was trying to hide from her for half of it. 

I do still think the 8x24 breakup came out of nowhere *in the context of that season*, but one can argue that if you look at S6 and 7, there was enough material to make a case for it. It was more an issue of timing (and whether or not it's a narrative cliche) than anything else. But this is nothing like that. These writers have done tons of crazy stuff before, but they would have had to really have smoked their brains out to come up with a finale like that right after seven years of what they've been writing for these two. 

Even as someone who thinks that S8 has enough red flags to justify the 8x24 twist I don't see any of that here in S10. Like, S10 is all the S8 fluffiness minus all the cringy bits and then multiply that with the S9 fluffiness while leaving behind all the sad parts. To go from such heights to completely crash and burn the relationship is insane - especially when we're talking about Amy only being away a few months over the summer. It's not the end of the world and thus shouldn't end up in a doomsday scenario for the couple.

[mirs1]

Hey, guys, help me...How many Shamy kiss have we seen in the show? I lost count of them...Wow, I lost count of Shamy on-screen kisses, a sentence I never thought I would have said, LOL!

Edited April 21, 2017 by mirs1

[April]

3 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

Hey, guys, help me...How many Shamy kiss have we seen in the show? I lost count of them...Wow, I lost count of Shamy on-screen kisses, a sentence I never thought I would have ever said, LOL!

17 mouth on mouth, 18 if you count Amy kissing Sheldon's cheek - the kiss in 10x23 would be either #18 or #19 depending on how you count! :D

[Soopysue]

17 mouth on mouth, 18 if you count Amy kissing Sheldon's cheek - the kiss in 10x23 would be either #18 or #19 depending on how you count! :D

Squeeeee this makes me have *heart eyes* plus the phrase " mouth on mouth " yummie !!!@april you and@koops are totally making me smile today - and considering I'm averaging 5 hours of sleep a night at the moment ( I'm lambing my sheep ) then going to work each day too !!! That's no easy feat lol !


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[snapepans]

Off the top of my head, I can remember like: 421 drunk kiss, 512 tiara kiss, 715 train kiss, 719 XBOX ONE or PS4 kiss, 910 earworm kiss, 911 Opening night kiss. 1007 Goodnight kiss, 1011 cosplay kiss, 1013 X and (X+1) kiss.

[koops]

10 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

Hey, guys, help me...How many Shamy kiss have we seen in the show? I lost count of them...Wow, I lost count of Shamy on-screen kisses, a sentence I never thought I would have said, LOL!

LMAO! I know! And bed scenes! We had more between them this year than all the other couples combined. And you know what's the best thing? No matter how many we have had so far, every single one is still special in its own way. 

[spidergirl]

9 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

Hey, guys, help me...How many Shamy kiss have we seen in the show? I lost count of them...Wow, I lost count of Shamy on-screen kisses, a sentence I never thought I would have said, LOL!

 I had never thought I would need to have a minute to count them,lol! And would who know they would have so many bed scenes and touching scenes?

It has been a great shamy journey of discovery and bond to these two! *sigh* <3

 

4 minutes ago, snapepans said:

Off the top of my head, I can remember like: 421 drunk kiss, 512 tiara kiss, 715 train kiss, 719 XBOX ONE or PS4 kiss, 910 earworm kiss, 911 Opening night kiss. 1007 Goodnight kiss, 1011 cosplay kiss, 1013 X and (X+1) kiss.

There was the Sheldon's hand on Amy's leg kiss in 8.24., the first shamy make out on screen!

[Jonny]

59 minutes ago, April said:

Even as someone who thinks that S8 has enough red flags to justify the 8x24 twist I don't see any of that here in S10. Like, S10 is all the S8 fluffiness minus all the cringy bits and then multiply that with the S9 fluffiness while leaving behind all the sad parts. To go from such heights to completely crash and burn the relationship is insane - especially when we're talking about Amy only being away a few months over the summer. It's not the end of the world and thus shouldn't end up in a doomsday scenario for the couple.

Agreed, especially the bold part. I think even the casual viewers would strongly criticize the writers if they ever went there. Certain critics for sure I know would absolutely crucify them.

The only way you can do stuff like that and actually pull something like that off successfully is if a narrative is built beforehand. In tv shows you see flings because of some underlying root cause or discontent say a couple arguing for a long time or whatever, or you see a built up attraction between characters before something is acted upon. Signs were there in Season 8, perhaps even back in 7 as well that trouble could happen at some point which we obviously got in the Season 8 finale. So there was some narrative building involved, subtle signs but signs nonetheless.

Now the the writers are going to have a hard time trying to sell something dramatic to me in the finale after what I have seen this season. I have never seen this couple as happy as this, they have pretty much everything. Sure they are not engaged but that will come as will marriage and potentially children further down the line. As @mirs1 often points out and rightly so they are essentially like a married couple anyway right now with the way they are around each other.

I'm biased obviously but it would IMO be one of the biggest fuckups the writers have ever done. I can't believe they will go there, certainly not now. There is no narrative to go there or even justify going there. Shamy will be fine, at the most a minor misunderstanding likely from second hand info from their friends that gets resolved in Season 11 IMO.

Edited April 21, 2017 by Jonny

[anicez]

OMG How I missed this? i'm so happy right now, like in a cloud! 
I need time to process all this but THANKS! THANKS!! 

[amethyst]

Maybe this time next season we'll be here asking the question " how many times have Shamy had sex now?? "

[koops]

And, again, it's not even just an issue of narrative setup as characterization. Besides being extremely loyal to one another, Sheldon and Amy are not sexually driven people. Especially Sheldon, as we all know. Cheating requires a sexually driven component. Even in the context of people genuinely falling in love with someone else while in a relationship (which obviously will never happen here), the act of cheating is sexually driven which, even in sexually driven people, comes with a decision to act on it or not. To suddenly say that these two can't keep it in their pants with someone they've just met (or barely know), while being in a long-term, totally satisfying relationship, is like saying they've been taken over by body-snatchers. Even the most casual viewer would be like 'WHAT THE F??". 

[camelliayao]

42 minutes ago, April said:

17 mouth on mouth, 18 if you count Amy kissing Sheldon's cheek - the kiss in 10x23 would be either #18 or #19 depending on how you count! :D

We have almost 20 on screen Shamy kisses? Wow.

[Soopysue]

I'm loving this thread today [emoji4]

Hopefully this time next week we'll all be sitting with big content smiles on our faces and lol'ing at the over dramatics we had the other night !!!! Toasting a happy summer ahead ! [emoji4]

 

 

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[Jonny]

22 minutes ago, koops said:

And, again, it's not even just an issue of narrative setup as characterization. Besides being extremely loyal to one another, Sheldon and Amy are not sexually driven people. Especially Sheldon, as we all know. Cheating requires a sexually driven component. Even in the context of people genuinely falling in love with someone else while in a relationship (which obviously will never happen here), the act of cheating is sexually driven which, even in sexually driven people, comes with a decision to act on it or not. To suddenly say that these two can't keep it in their pants with someone they've just met (or barely know), while being in a long-term, totally satisfying relationship, is like saying they've been taken over by body-snatchers. Even the most casual viewer would be like 'WHAT THE F??". 

Sheldon did have that bizarre reactionary behaviour earlier in the season when he and Amy had a row shortly after they moved in together (Penny takes him out for ice cream) when he said he was worried he might turn into like his father, turning to drink and other women after arguing in an unhappy household. But Sheldon is not like his father at all, not in terms of intelligence and not in behaviour. There is no way the writers could use that as an excuse for trying to paint a story like that. It's canon he has only ever had eyes for Amy.

Amy could have had plenty of sexual dalliances when she was broken up from Sheldon, she had dates and opportunities. But didn't.

So there is a reasoning behind the way they feel about each other, the only want to be with each other the break-up made both of them realize that.

I agree totally with what you are saying, in terms of narrative and in terms of character canon/lore (both for Sheldon and Amy) a worst case storyline like that would make zero sense.

So much so i'm now not worried.

Edited April 21, 2017 by Jonny

[Radar]

Ooookay....catching up after being off the grid for some time.

To cut a long story short: I've spent the last few days in amusement parks, rode about 10 different roller coasters including the first and up to now only dive coaster and a free fall tower. All the time I was wearing my new garmin watch which includes a pulse monitor. Well, how do I put it? My highest heart rate during the roller coaster rides was 123.

I hit 139 a few minutes ago...

[spidergirl]

Second time in a row as I am running out of likes this week and it 's  only1:22 pm , lol! Mods, 200 once in a month, how about that?

Please @koops

@camelliayao

@Soopysue

@Jonny

@Radar

, feel as I liked all your posts, love so much our thread, especially in days like these!

 

Edited April 21, 2017 by spidergirl

[Desdemona]

14 hours ago, vonmar said:

This is all in my head but...Shamy discussing their plans for the summer..the calendar events are all real.

A: Okay, so I'll fly back at the end of May so we can spend Memorial Day weekend together.

S: Then I will come out to you on June 14th so we can be together for Flag Day, it's kind of become a tradition.

A: Then I'll head back to Pasadena for the Independence Day festivities on July 4th.

S: Perfect, that coordinates with " International Kissing Day" on July 6th.

A: Oh, my....what's left?

S: Well, I was planning one last trip out to you for National Girlfriends Day on August 1st, we should celebrate that day one last time.

A: What's that supposed to mean?

S: Never mind.....

A; Well that's it.  My fellowship will be over shortly after that and then I'll come home.

S: Yes, then you'll come home.

Aww, that would be awesome if we could see that!

I can already see them ticking off the days in their calendars until they see each other again.

Maybe Sheldon makes his hilarious vlogs for Amy too, so she won´t miss anything while she´s away and gets updated regularly.

He could send her the videos on a weekly basis or he could wait until she returns and they watch them together with off comments from Sheldon.

This would be certainly the most exciting 2.190 hours of their life!

9 hours ago, littleknee said:

From the DT in case folks aren't looking over there ...

"Though they did share a passionate kiss and funny dialogue leading up to them going to the bedroom, they weren't shown in bedroom. Later Penny, Leonard and Raj are in the hallway and hear them talking "dirty" while they're doing it. The funniest part of the taping for me was watching Mayim and Jim sit fully clothed (off camera) on the couch and crack up trying to say those lines."

LMAO this must have been really challenging for MaJim. They are truly professionals to the bone! Thank you so much for the information @littleknee!!

I couldn´t say anything without bursting out laughing until every muscle in me would hurt.

Edited April 21, 2017 by Desdemona
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[Jonny]

2 hours ago, April said:

17 mouth on mouth, 18 if you count Amy kissing Sheldon's cheek - the kiss in 10x23 would be either #18 or #19 depending on how you count! :D

Would be interesting to see a breakdown by season lol, obviously there will be a large spike in numbers in regards to Season 10. Further highlighting how great this season has been for them! 

I think I remember all of them in my head but don't know the exact number lol. 20 if that's accurate is pretty impressive. You don't actually see lots of kissing on this show really with any of the couples. Howardette very rarely do lol.

[koops]

1 hour ago, Jonny said:

Sheldon did have that bizarre reactionary behaviour earlier in the season when he and Amy had a row shortly after they moved in together (Penny takes him out for ice cream) when he said he was worried he might turn into like his father, turning to drink and other women after arguing in an unhappy household. But Sheldon is not like his father at all, not in terms of intelligence and not in behaviour. There is no way the writers could use that as an excuse for trying to paint a story like that. It's canon he has only ever had eyes for Amy.

Amy could have had plenty of sexual dalliances when she was broken up from Sheldon, she had dates and opportunities. But didn't.

So there is a reasoning behind the way they feel about each other, the only want to be with each other the break-up made both of them realize that.

I agree totally with what you are saying, in terms of narrative and in terms of character canon/lore (both for Sheldon and Amy) a worst case storyline like that would make zero sense.

So much so i'm now not worried.

Exactly. Amy had the opportunity to sleep with someone else when she was single and never took it. I mean, she even resisted sheldon himself, FFS! LOL. And Sheldon was never interested in anyone else, he said so himself a bunch of times and the whole point of the episode where he fears becoming his father is precisely that it's absurd for him to even think that because he's not that kind of man. 

An extreme case scenario with these two is as unlikely as Donald Trump becoming a political genius overnight. 

[April]

17 minutes ago, Jonny said:

Would be interesting to see a breakdown by season lol, obviously there will be a large spike in numbers in regards to Season 10. Further highlighting how great this season has been for them! 

I think I remember all of them in my head but don't know the exact number lol. 20 if that's accurate is pretty impressive. You don't actually see lots of kissing on this show really with any of the couples. Howardette very rarely do lol.

S4 - 1 // S5 - 1 // S6 - 0 // S7 - 2 // S8 - 1 // S9 - 5 // S10 - 7*

* kisses aired so far, 10x23 would be #8, and as before +1 if you count the kiss on the cheek

Man, they really make up for lost time with those last two years! lol

[kimbee73]

I love coming on this forum and seeing good news for a change. And after the last few days with all the crazy speculations, I am glad to see the writer's did something correct and am so glad this once a year thing is over. As far as Ramona, I think it may be a misunderstanding or maybe she reads something more into something Sheldon says and he sets her straight. Or it is just the gang remembers how she interfered with his life the last time and is worried she will try again.

My hope is he tells her that Amy has helped him see things clearer in both his professional and personal life. You know just like that psychic predicted 3 seasons ago and then he realizes she was right and decides to propose. Okay I am pushing my luck. After all we did get coitus twice in a season!

[Soopysue]

I love coming on this forum and seeing good news for a change. And after the last few days with all the crazy speculations, I am glad to see the writer's did something correct and am so glad this once a year thing is over. As far as Ramona, I think it may be a misunderstanding or maybe she reads something more into something Sheldon says and he sets her straight. Or it is just the gang remembers how she interfered with his life the last time and is worried she will try again.
My hope is he tells her that Amy has helped him see things clearer in both his professional and personal life. You know just like that psychic predicted 3 seasons ago and then he realizes she was right and decides to propose. Okay I am pushing my luck. After all we did get coitus twice in a season!

Yes to all !!!!!


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[spidergirl]

Yes to all your ideas from  my part!

31 minutes ago, kimbee73 said:

I love coming on this forum and seeing good news for a change. And after the last few days with all the crazy speculations, I am glad to see the writer's did something correct and am so glad this once a year thing is over. As far as Ramona, I think it may be a misunderstanding or maybe she reads something more into something Sheldon says and he sets her straight. Or it is just the gang remembers how she interfered with his life the last time and is worried she will try again.

My hope is he tells her that Amy has helped him see things clearer in both his professional and personal life. You know just like that psychic predicted 3 seasons ago and then he realizes she was right and decides to propose. Okay I am pushing my luck. After all we did get coitus twice in a season!

It would be an awesome contrast as science and physic predictions dont get along but sometimes they are both right about a person's life, hehe!

And my favoutite shamy irony is how right was that site dating algoritm that Howard and Raj signed Sheldon in. Sheldon had to recognize that, if it was not that site he would not wake up for a happy live!

 

Edited April 21, 2017 by spidergirl

[Anita]

1 hour ago, koops said:

Exactly. Amy had the opportunity to sleep with someone else when she was single and never took it. I mean, she even resisted sheldon himself, FFS! LOL. And Sheldon was never interested in anyone else, he said so himself a bunch of times and the whole point of the episode where he fears becoming his father is precisely that it's absurd for him to even think that because he's not that kind of man. 

An extreme case scenario with these two is as unlikely as Donald Trump becoming a political genius overnight. 

For a couple who have waited 7 years to have sex on a regular basis it woul be absurd to have a one night stand. I mean sex just for sex? It's idiotic for both of them,specially for sheldon. The risk for them of a separation is meeting someone and develop feelings, that it's drama, not comedy drama,not something you can move on in the next episode, it's soap opera drama and I don't think the show goes for that.

[littleknee]

OK so I’m back to worrying about the finale. That was quick. I keep reading April, Koops, Jonny, etc. and feeling safe, but then my natural apprehension kicks in. I feel like the writers have been so careful and methodical with these characters but they have 2 more seasons to write for. Since they seem sadly unwilling or unable to write anything substantive for Lenny (I hope this changes), it seems like Shamy is where their attention lies. While this can be great for us shippers, it also has the potential to drum up drama for our favorite couple next year. I think the writers have great material from these two working out their issues together, collaborating on their project, etc. but they may not see it that way and want to stir the dramatic pot.

I totally agree with the assessment that there’s no way Sheldon could just run into Ramona and be attracted to her. It fits not at all with the character they’ve developed over the past 10 years and the writers are too precious with him to go down that route. And with Ramona only being around for a day, how much damage to the Shamy relationship could she do? But I’m concerned they could do a time lapse thing to develop whatever drama/intrigue they have planned. 

I’m not overly concerned, and everyone’s comments and ideas seem much more logical and rational (I like the gang misunderstanding idea) … but I’ll feel way better (hopefully) after Tuesday.