Ship Zone [Spoilers] Shamy: Season 10

[kimbee73]

1 hour ago, littleknee said:

OK so I’m back to worrying about the finale. That was quick. I keep reading April, Koops, Jonny, etc. and feeling safe, but then my natural apprehension kicks in. I feel like the writers have been so careful and methodical with these characters but they have 2 more seasons to write for. Since they seem sadly unwilling or unable to write anything substantive for Lenny (I hope this changes), it seems like Shamy is where their attention lies. While this can be great for us shippers, it also has the potential to drum up drama for our favorite couple next year. I think the writers have great material from these two working out their issues together, collaborating on their project, etc. but they may not see it that way and want to stir the dramatic pot.

I totally agree with the assessment that there’s no way Sheldon could just run into Ramona and be attracted to her. It fits not at all with the character they’ve developed over the past 10 years and the writers are too precious with him to go down that route. And with Ramona only being around for a day, how much damage to the Shamy relationship could she do? But I’m concerned they could do a time lapse thing to develop whatever drama/intrigue they have planned. 

I’m not overly concerned, and everyone’s comments and ideas seem much more logical and rational (I like the gang misunderstanding idea) … but I’ll feel way better (hopefully) after Tuesday.

This is exactly what tptb want us to be, worried. We have so much invested and they put this little teaser saying Ramona is back and we all freak out and have flashbacks to what happened in 8.24. But to me finding out what happened between Sheldon and Amy in 10.23 puts my mind a little more at ease. I just can't see them breaking the once year joke and then have him cheat or something. I don't put anything past these writers though since they had Leonard cheat. I just think that would be so OOC for him to do anything like that.

I know if it happened I personally would be completely done with the show. And it saddens me, because I have watched since almost the beginning,  but I don't think I have ever invested this much to a couple ever. It would ruin it for me much like HIMYM did at the end. I can't even watch reruns of that show since I know how it ends. A cheating Sheldon would do the same thing for me with BBT so I keep telling myself it will be alright.

[Kathy2611]

Keep in mind what he said about catching his dad cheating.  That dramatized him so I really don't think tptb can go there without EVERYBODY calling them out on it and not in a good way.  As much as they fuck up continuity they know just how far they can....and can't go

Edited April 21, 2017 by Kathy2611

[koops]

Very good point, Kathy. That's not something we talked about but yes, the bottom line is that his dad's cheating behavior is something that hurt him deeply and let's not forget he was the only one who apologized to Penny about Leonard's cheating as well. So, yeah... Sheldon cheating would be the most OOC thing in the history of OOC.

Now. I do agree that they have 2 years to fill and anything can happen in 2 years. But it's one thing to say that maybe 1-2 years down the line, desperate for ratings and out of ideas, the writers might have changed Sheldon so much that he now becomes the type who could do that (I don't think they ever would, but for the sake of the argument),or will have driven new massive issues between Shamy that the discontent might bring Amy to cheat, but it's another to say that will happen tomorrow. That makes no sense.

Edited April 21, 2017 by koops

[joyceraye]

7 hours ago, spidergirl said:

Second time in a row as I am running out of likes this week and it 's  only1:22 pm , lol! Mods, 200 once in a month, how about that?

Please @koops

@camelliayao

@Soopysue

@Jonny

@Radar

, feel as I liked all your posts, love so much our thread, especially in days like these!

 

I keep running out of likes and when I do I find it hard to believe I've given a hundred. 

[shamyyellow]

I still have a feeling we'll be hearing the word pregnant thrown around.

Without knowing about Amy's fellowship and her leaving for the Summer, I thought we were about ready for that engagement ring to reappear. When I heard about her leaving for the Summer, I thought even more that an engagement would be a perfect way to say goodbye. When I found out they had sex instead? I couldn't help but wonder if that was a choice made for the result it has the potential to produce - a pregnancy or pregnancy scare. I just don't see sex as a natural reaction either of them would have to Amy leaving for the summer so it makes me question why it happened.

And if you think about it, 10.23 should be the season finale, right? Amy gets a fellowship, Sheldon is upset but comes around, they have sex, he sends her off for the Summer... the end. Why exactly isn't it the end? What else needs to happen?

If this was more like S6 when 6.23 was a Shamy finale with a giant leap forward and then 6.24 was a Lenny finale with Leonard leaving for the Summer, I wouldn't really question it. Or even a S7 finale where Lenny got engaged in 7.23 and Sheldon left for the Summer in 7.24. But from what we know about this finale, the entire thing is still going to revolve about Amy leaving and Sheldon's reaction to it. Couldn't this wait until the premiere? What needs to be said and established before the next season begins?

I'm thinking of the possibility of a time jump, maybe a month or so into Amy's trip. It would give them time to show us how he's been and for Ramona to be more established than she could be in a single episode. A time jump also gives them more possibilities for Amy to surprise Sheldon with a visit or to... you know... think she might be pregnant. Or both. Like I said, I just can't make sense of why Shamy, the least sexually/physically dependent couple on the show would choose sex as their goodbye activity. She won't even be gone long enough for her next birthday to come and go. Maybe these are questions that are answered in 10.23, but even then, it would still be at the hands of the writers and what they need to get the story to it's final destination. 

Another thought is that loud sex with Amy being overheard by their friends is what will feed their worries that he has desires not being met... but once again, why end the season on that note? Couldn't this be a fun plot to play around with in 11.01? There has to be a rhyme or reason since 10.23 wrapped things up perfectly and 10.24 is still about Shamy.

[Stephen Hawking]

Has Mayim signed up for the next 2 seasons?

[Jonny]

19 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said:

Has Mayim signed up for the next 2 seasons?

As far as we know not yet, same for Melissa.

[Stephen Hawking]

11 minutes ago, Jonny said:

As far as we know not yet, same for Melissa.

What I'm thinking is (and I desperately hope it's not this), if Mayim isn't signing on for the next seasons, this trip could be a way to write Amy out of the show.

Edited April 21, 2017 by Stephen Hawking

[koops]

I don't think anybody is getting pregnant. Or having pregnancy scares. The once a year deadline made absolutely no sense anymore, given how they've been behaving physically around each other all season long and some of the discussions they've had. So it was high time it was scrapped, so I honestly think the writers thought this was a good way to do it. 

Shamy might not be sexually driven people but they have been shown to be increasingly physically affectionate and even passionate in some moments. Coming down from the emotional high of discussing the fellowship and Sheldon agreeing to let her go and facing the fact that they won't see each other for a long time and will miss each other is a very understandable context for it to lead to sex. I mean, they started making out like horny teenagers when she was just leaving for a weekend earlier this season. 

IMO, the sex in this episode just served these purposes: to kill the deadline and to show a moment of connection before they part for so long. Why it happened in the penultimate episode and not the finale I think might have more to do with wanting Amy away in the finale than the sex per se. Either for the Ramona plot to make sense or to let Sheldon follow her, or something along those lines. 

[Anita]

13 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said:

What I'm thinking is (and I desperately hope it's not this), if Mayim isn't signing on for the next seasons, this trip could be a way to write Amy out of the show.

And introduce a new love interest for sheldon now that  he is more open to it. It has crossed my mind too. But it can't be that, please ( insert the deity you believe in here)don't let be that 

[spidergirl]

1 hour ago, shamyyellow said:

I still have a feeling we'll be hearing the word pregnant thrown around.

Without knowing about Amy's fellowship and her leaving for the Summer, I thought we were about ready for that engagement ring to reappear. When I heard about her leaving for the Summer, I thought even more that an engagement would be a perfect way to say goodbye. When I found out they had sex instead? I couldn't help but wonder if that was a choice made for the result it has the potential to produce - a pregnancy or pregnancy scare. I just don't see sex as a natural reaction either of them would have to Amy leaving for the summer so it makes me question why it happened.

And if you think about it, 10.23 should be the season finale, right? Amy gets a fellowship, Sheldon is upset but comes around, they have sex, he sends her off for the Summer... the end. Why exactly isn't it the end? What else needs to happen?

If this was more like S6 when 6.23 was a Shamy finale with a giant leap forward and then 6.24 was a Lenny finale with Leonard leaving for the Summer, I wouldn't really question it. Or even a S7 finale where Lenny got engaged in 7.23 and Sheldon left for the Summer in 7.24. But from what we know about this finale, the entire thing is still going to revolve about Amy leaving and Sheldon's reaction to it. Couldn't this wait until the premiere? What needs to be said and established before the next season begins?

I'm thinking of the possibility of a time jump, maybe a month or so into Amy's trip. It would give them time to show us how he's been and for Ramona to be more established than she could be in a single episode. A time jump also gives them more possibilities for Amy to surprise Sheldon with a visit or to... you know... think she might be pregnant. Or both. Like I said, I just can't make sense of why Shamy, the least sexually/physically dependent couple on the show would choose sex as their goodbye activity. She won't even be gone long enough for her next birthday to come and go. Maybe these are questions that are answered in 10.23, but even then, it would still be at the hands of the writers and what they need to get the story to it's final destination. 

Another thought is that loud sex with Amy being overheard by their friends is what will feed their worries that he has desires not being met... but once again, why end the season on that note? Couldn't this be a fun plot to play around with in 11.01? There has to be a rhyme or reason since 10.23 wrapped things up perfectly and 10.24 is still about Shamy.

About the bold part, imo makes all sense as they  choose to have sex as their goodbye activity. Shamy is now a couple emotionally bonded who also knows how to express physically how much they are bonded emotionally. A situation like a temporary separation from   external reasons like work made them to handle with the situation  as their relationship is stronger than ever. It is a situation quite powerful emotionaly speaking. It is natural for a couple wishing to make love before saying the temporary good bye as a way to show how much they love each other, and shamy are right now in that relationship level and imo it is the perfect way to they lost themselves in their emotions and show physically how much they desire each other as well. And finally to realize that both want to express their love physically more than once in a year because they share emotions in their daily that would make them feel more into the need of make love to each other in a more regular way than they have been made so far.

And imo there might not be a pregnancy scare in their way. That's about time to let shamy living their sexuality fully before they get engaged. Babies might happen later for them.

Edited April 21, 2017 by spidergirl

[anicez]

Thinking that the writers are going to make a romantic interest or "crazy night" with Ramona right after an episode in which one Sheldon and Amy make love for how much they love each other and how much they are going to miss the other, is unthinkable.

I think she's going to reappear for something that has to do with work, not with spoiling Shamy, at all, and if it's related to them is going to be the springboard for the proposal in season 11. Pretty sure!

[Capt. Hilts]

1 hour ago, shamyyellow said:

Like I said, I just can't make sense of why Shamy, the least sexually/physically dependent couple on the show would choose sex as their goodbye activity. S

Because the other stuff you can do via Skype.

[Anita]

12 minutes ago, anicez said:

Thinking that the writers are going to make a romantic interest or "crazy night" with Ramona right after an episode in which one Sheldon and Amy make love for how much they love each other and how much they are going to miss the other, is unthinkable.

I think she's going to reappear for something that has to do with work, not with spoiling Shamy, at all, and if it's related to them is going to be the springboard for the proposal in season 11. Pretty sure!

If you are sure, I am sure 

[luminous]

Interesting fan art

 

[spidergirl]

2 minutes ago, luminous said:

Interesting fan art

 

That's a shamy shipper through and through indeed, lol!

I am one too but my nails are simple without nailpolish!

 

[Jonny]

1 hour ago, Stephen Hawking said:

What I'm thinking is (and I desperately hope it's not this), if Mayim isn't signing on for the next seasons, this trip could be a way to write Amy out of the show.

Sure, if she doesn't sign a new deal then i guess they could use this Princeton storyline as a way to write her out.

But I don't think they have come up with this storyline because they think she isn't coming back.

Does Melissa also have a storyline in the finale that could be used if needed to write her out? Because if it turns out she does then I guess I could then buy into this theory that storylines are taking into account uncertainty over the future.

For the record I think both will be back, too much to lose for everyone involved. CBS and Warner Bros loses, fellow cast members character's lose out, Mayim and Melissa lose, viewers lose. Everyone loses lol. They simply have to get it done.

Edited April 21, 2017 by Jonny

[camelliayao]

2 hours ago, shamyyellow said:

Like I said, I just can't make sense of why Shamy, the least sexually/physically dependent couple on the show would choose sex as their goodbye activity. She won't even be gone long enough for her next birthday to come and go. Maybe these are questions that are answered in 10.23

From the bits we know about 10.23, I think this time sex is more of a spur-of-the-moment thing, Amy is leaving, they kiss and it leads to sex. It's not like they particularly choose sex to be a must-be-done activity before Amy leaves for Princeton.

Or, like the tr said, since they have sex on a regular basis now, it's only normal to have sex when they know they will be apart for the next two or three months. 

I guess we'll have to see how ep 23 plays out to judge. But I personally don't think this will lead to a pregnancy plot. No way they'll use that card twice, especially since a large part of the general audience didn't care for Bernie's pregnancy storyline.

Edited April 21, 2017 by camelliayao

[shamyyellow]

When I'm speculating, I'm not thinking in terms of how these characters feel and what makes sense in their lives so much as I'm thinking about the writers and what led them to their decision to do things like they did. Why sex instead of the engagement ring? For Amy to have a ring on her finger while she's away would be the ultimate reassurance that she's the only one he will ever want and that he'll be there when she gets back. Furthermore, it's reassurance for him too. She's wearing his ring. 

Yes, this gets rid of the stupid once a year rule, but that rule could've been demolished in any random episode this season. Why wait until a big moment like Amy leaving for the summer? They've been sharing a bed and Sheldon has actually begged her to have sex with him at one point this season... this just doesn't compute as the prime moment to abolish the rule, especially now that they won't even be together for 3 months. How do you put it into effect when you aren't even together?

I guess my main point is that 10.23 isn't the finale because something else is going to happen.

If you look back at S7, Lenny was engaged before the finale because the finale was Sheldon having a breakdown about their engagement and what that meant for him (on top of other changes he struggled with). So what kind of cliffhanger are they planning on leaving us with? They aren't going to have a random, lone episode after Amy leaves that serves no purpose. 

If it's not pregnancy or a pregnancy scare, it's either an engagement, a breakup, or cheating. I've always maintained that this episode was suppose to make you worry about cheating to throw you off the scent of another surprise... which excludes a breakup too because they wouldn't avoid cheating just to introduce a breakup. That leaves an engagement or pregnancy/pregnancy scare. And no, it doesn't need to be Shamy's surprise. It could be that Penny is pregnant or Lenny breaks up or maybe Bernie is pregnant again already.

I just know that 10.23 wasn't the finale for a reason and I'm curious why whatever secondary surprise they have couldn't be revealed before Amy left so 10.23 could've been the finale. Once again, that's from the perspective of why the writers did what they did instead of what makes sense for the characters. At the end of the season, they decide what they want to do and then figure out a way to do it. In this instance, Shamy needed to have sex and Amy needed to leave town before this finale and it's results could be written. That's what I'm trying to figure out.

Just to add, it doesn't seem like a lot of you realize that a pregnancy scare isn't an actual pregnancy. She could think that she's pregnant or somebody else could think that she's pregnant without it actually being true. Just like people can think that Sheldon is cheating without it actually being true. 

The problem with the cheating storyline is the idea of them leaving for the entire summer with the entire fanbase thinking that Sheldon cheated. What a way to ruin Sheldon. They would never do that. So if we're going to leave this season with a cliffhanger, it's not going to be one that could do actual damage to a character and the way people feel about him... and Sheldon not cheating isn't worth a finale spot when the episode before it would've worked. 

Edited April 21, 2017 by shamyyellow

[mirs1]

My two cents...In S. 6 they had a Shamy finale in E. 23 and then a Lenny and Raj finale (with Raj finally able to talk to woman) in E. 24. This might simply be the case here. The synopsis of the episode could represent just a part of the plot, not even a huge one, for all we know. They have used Shamy\Sheldon in summaries, promos, promo pics and sneak peek pretty heavily this season, even in episodes where they did not play a huge role, because they "sell". 

Edited April 21, 2017 by mirs1

[vonmar]

38 minutes ago, Jonny said:

Sure, if she doesn't sign a new deal then i guess they could use this Princeton storyline as a way to write her out.

But I don't think they have come up with this storyline because they think she isn't coming back.

Does Melissa also have a storyline in the finale that could be used if needed to write her out? Because if it turns out she does then I guess I could then buy into this theory that storylines are taking into account uncertainty over the future.

For the record I think both will be back, too much to lose for everyone involved. CBS and Warner Bros loses, fellow cast members character's lose out, Mayim and Melissa lose, viewers lose. Everyone loses lol. They simply have to get it done.

I agree.  Mayim and Melissa are too ingrained in TBBT culture now.  You don't disassemble a show's DNA in (what may be) it's final two years.

Add to that, in interviews Jim expressing his dismay at the S/A broken up arc sent a pretty strong message as to how much he likes her, both as a person and an acting partner.  I'm sure the same goes for Simon regarding Melissa.

For all we know, they've already signed.  I said it here before, they might be waiting to make an announcement at the Upfronts in NYC on May 17th.  The entire cast usually attends, it would be the perfect moment to woo advertisers in front of a big crowd and the press. (Purely speculation on my part)

[koops]

@shamyyellow well, people were talking about what makes sense for the characters because you mentioned that Shamy aren't sex dependent and so they wouldn't choose to have sex in this context unless there's another reason for it. I personally disagree, given the setup of their physical intimacy this season. I think Shamy having sex is still a relatively big deal, writing wise, especially because I'm sure there's been A LOT of debating in the writers room about the once a year deal that its official termination is sweeps-worthy. (Also, I'm not clear... is this the first time they have sex after December or is this the first time we find out they've been having sex more often? I'm confused).

Several things have been suddenly set up pre-finale, not just the sex: Amy is gone (for a pregnancy scare, that wasn't necessary), the gyroscope project has been pulled all of a sudden and Raj has moved out. All these things might be important for the finale. How they all fit together with Ramona, it's hard to tell. But they set up a lot of stuff that I think is all likely to matter in one way or another, and it's unlikely they're all red herrings for a unrelated shocker.

[shamyyellow]

25 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

My two cents...In S. 6 they had a Shamy finale in E. 23 and then a Lenny and Raj finale (with Raj finally able to talk to woman) in E. 24. This might simply be the case here. The synopsis of the episode could represent just a part of the plot, not even a huge one, for all we know. They have used Shamy\Sheldon in summaries, promos, promo pics and sneak peek pretty heavily this season, even in episodes where they did not play a huge role, because they "sell". 

Right, that's true. But they've never had somebody leave for the summer before the finale. If they had a Lenny and Raj finale and a Shamy finale, why did Shamy have to go first when it gets rid of Amy for the last episode? 

I'm just saying that there is definitely a rhyme and reason for why they chose sex instead of engagement, why they chose Shamy first and not second, and why Amy needed to leave before whatever happens next. 

11 minutes ago, koops said:

@shamyyellow well, people were talking about what makes sense for the characters because you mentioned that Shamy aren't sex dependent and so they wouldn't choose to have sex in this context unless there's another reason for it. I personally disagree, given the setup of their physical intimacy this season. I think Shamy having sex is still a relatively big deal, writing wise, especially because I'm sure there's been A LOT of debating in the writers room about the once a year deal that its official termination is sweeps-worthy. (Also, I'm not clear... is this the first time they have sex after December or is this the first time we find out they've been having sex more often? I'm confused).

Several things have been suddenly set up pre-finale, not just the sex: Amy is gone (for a pregnancy scare, that wasn't necessary), the gyroscope project has been pulled all of a sudden and Raj has moved out. All these things might be important for the finale. How they all fit together with Ramona, it's hard to tell. But they set up a lot of stuff that I think is all likely to matter in one way or another, and it's unlikely they're all red herrings for a unrelated shocker.

That wasn't exactly my point. I was more or less observing that it isn't the first thing I'd think for Shamy in this context. Can't I make sense of it? Sure. You said it... they've only had sex twice (now 3 times) and it's still a big deal. I like the idea that Sheldon would want to have sex with her before she goes because it proves that he does desire her and wanted to be as close as possible before she leaves for 3 months... but I'm also afraid that isn't how it'll play out. Sheldon could very well say that he's doing it for her. We don't know yet. 

And you're right about everything that has been set up, but Raj moving out and the gyroscope project being pulled are all things that could happen with Amy still in town. In fact, Ramona coming back and the gang being worried is something they could do with Amy still in town. 

My heart isn't set on a pregnancy and I really, really, really don't like the idea of her actually becoming pregnant... but I can't make sense of Amy leaving town and why that was necessary for everything else to transpire. This was never to push an idea, but to strike conversation. I'd like to know what ideas everybody has instead of just why my guesses are wrong.

Edited April 21, 2017 by shamyyellow

[vonmar]

25 minutes ago, shamyyellow said:

Right, that's true. But they've never had somebody leave for the summer before the finale. If they had a Lenny and Raj finale and a Shamy finale, why did Shamy have to go first when it gets rid of Amy for the last episode? 

I'm just saying that there is definitely a rhyme and reason for why they chose sex instead of engagement, why they chose Shamy first and not second, and why Amy needed to leave before whatever happens next. 

For the finale we've got the usual 18-21 minutes where you would normally have a group scene, and a H/B scene, and a L/P scene and a S/A scene.  Now throw in some Ramona tension.  They are not going to bring Ramona back for a Caltech cafeteria table stroll by.  They are setting something up and I think it has to do with the gyroscope project.  Reduce S/A to a Scype scene and you free up time to create the Ramona story.

Edited April 21, 2017 by vonmar

[mirs1]

3 minutes ago, shamyyellow said:

Right, that's true. But they've never had somebody leave for the summer before the finale. If they had a Lenny and Raj finale and a Shamy finale, why did Shamy have to go first when it gets rid of Amy for the last episode? 

I'm just saying that there is definitely a rhyme and reason for why they chose sex instead of engagement, why they chose Shamy first and not second, and why Amy needed to leave before whatever happens next. 

Oh, I think there's a reason why Amy has to be already away in the finale, and probably it has to do with Ramona, but I don't think it will be a big deal at this point, it will be the "funny" plot, while the main part will be devoted to other characters. Plus, we really don't know if the finale is a crowded episode, with a lot of plots going on, probably the writers could use a Amy-light episode, with just a couple of cute (or not very cute, depending on how much Ramona interferes with Shamy) Skype calls for her.

I'm pretty sure we wouldn't had gotten sex and engagement, so  the writers had to pick one. For me story wise, even for Shamy, it makes more sense that an emotional moment and a separation lead to sex rather than to an engagement. Shamy had become more physical and more passionate, in their own way of course, during this year and, even if frankly I had lost all hopes for that to happen, it would have been a pity to waste all this built up and start all over again next season.