Ship Zone [Spoilers] Shamy: Season 10

[spidergirl]

Tbh I can not imagine neither Sheldon nor Amy cheating each other whatever the circunstances that could lead to that.  Writers like taking risks but I doubt they wanted a huge discontent reaction from the audience for something that could turn as unfixed to shamy relationship . As many of you have been saying it took years for Sheldon and Amy became intimate to each other as they were not  very socialized people and they are very quirky people as well, especially  Sheldon. Besides they have a low sex drive. One of them having sex with someone else just because they were away from each other a few weeks, months would be like they suddenly changed of personality, I mean, it would not be Sheldon and neither Amy. Fans love them the way they are, it would not make any sense to destroy in one episode what had taken several seasons to anchieve.

And If Ramona would be only a motive of Amy felt jealousy? As the gang got worried, maybe for Ramona be around Sheldon even for professional motives and being Amy away, it might turned to happen a miserstooding and Sheldon for fixing it go to Princeton seeing Amy? Imo jealosy Amy has a nice comedy potencial and a funny season finale is rather prefered than a too dramatic one.  It could be better for ratings but a sitcom lives from laughs and funny stuff could feed a hiatus of such nice talks about characters next steps  in next season.

I could be very wrong but imo the big cliffhanger of the season is still hidden. I just hope fans can spend a nice hiatus as excitingly wait for season 11. It maybe not very realistic but imo it is possible to happen

Edited April 23, 2017 by spidergirl

[Anita]

2 minutes ago, spidergirl said:

Tbh I can not imagine neither Sheldon nor Amy cheating each other whatever the circunstances that could lead to that.  Writers like taking risks but I doubt they wanted a huge discontent reaction from the audience for something that could turn as unfixed to shamy relationship . As many of you have been saying it took years for Sheldon and Amy became intimate to each other as they were not  very socialized people and they are very quirky people as well, especially  Sheldon. Besides they have a low sex drive. One of them having sex with someone else just because they were away from each other a few weeks, months would be like they suddenly changed of personality, I mean, it would not be Sheldon and neither Amy. Fans love them the way they are, it would not make any sense to destroy in an episode what had taken several seasons to anchieve.

And If Ramona would be only a motive of Amy felt jealousy? As the gang got worried, maybe for Ramona be around Sheldon even for professional motives and being Amy away, it might turned to happen a miserstooding and Sheldon for fixing it go to Princeton seeing Amy? Imo jealosy Amy has a nice comedy potencial and a funny season finale is rather prefered than a too dramatic one.  It could be better for ratings but a sitcom lives from laughs and funny stuff could feed a hiatus of such nice talks about characters next steps  in next season.

I could be very wrong but imo the big cliffhanger of the season is still hidden. I just hope fans can spend a nice hiatus as excitingly wait for season 11. It maybe not very realistic but imo it is possible to happen

I'm very curious about what part  amy is going to play in the episode, she is away so it has to be via skype, is she going to find out about whatever got the gang concerned about ramona in this episode?, who tells her, the girls? Sheldon? How is she going to react?

[spidergirl]

2 minutes ago, Anita said:

I'm very curious about what part  amy is going to play in the episode, she is away so it has to be via skype, is she going to find out about whatever got the gang concerned about ramona in this episode?, who tells her, the girls? Sheldon? How is she going to react?

Me too, Anita. In a few days we will know all true.  Shamy shipper strength is our super power

[kbp]

34 minutes ago, spidergirl said:

Me too, Anita. In a few days we will know all true.  Shamy shipper strength is our super power

wouldn't it be nice near the end of the show we see Sheldon with a suitcase and engament ring box he is holding then they fade out that my hope

[Stephen Hawking]

45 minutes ago, Anita said:

is she going to find out about whatever got the gang concerned about Ramona in this episode?, who tells her, the girls? Sheldon? How is she going to react?

Don't forget, Amy has never met Ramona.

[spidergirl]

7 minutes ago, kbp said:

wouldn't it be nice near the end of the show we see Sheldon with a suitcase and engament ring box he is holding then they fade out that my hope

I dont want to sound negative but I think it will be unlikely to have sex and engagement together  this season . That ring imo might come up in first half of season 11. But I could be wrong, of course.

[vonmar]

24 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said:

Don't forget, Amy has never met Ramona.

Not met, but Amy may know about Ramona.  Seems to me that is something Penny would have blabbed about.

[shamyyellow]

I guess my point is that his potential to cheat has come up this year. When the episode aired, I assumed like some mentioned here that it was a testament to how Sheldon would never cheat because he didn't want to be like his father. I just think it's interesting that it's such an unfathomable crime for Sheldon to commit or for the writers to consider and yet, it was mentioned as a fear of his this season. It looks to me like they might put Sheldon's fear to the test in the finale. I have no idea how it's going to play out (though I still doubt cheating will actually occur), but I do see a place for the storyline that I didn't see before. It seems obvious to me now that there is nothing random about a storyline revolved around Shamy infidelity. I find that fascinating because it really did go right over my head. That's how much I trust Sheldon.

On the other hand, I tend to look at these things from the writer's and producer's standpoint. I can't and don't forget that these characters do what TPTB decide, so I'm constantly trying to figure things out by what makes sense to them, not the character. With Young Sheldon and the end of TBBT coming up, I guess it just depends on what they feel will be more beneficial to the spinoff and next 2 seasons... shock and intrigue or loyalty and consistence. Do they want to shake everything up so we watch the prequel and next season trying to understand how this happened or do they want to warm everybody's hearts with love and respect for this beloved character? I don't think we can underestimate how much this finale is going to effect the premiere of the prequel and the last seasons of this show. It's almost guaranteed to be a Sheldon storyline and plot twist for that reason alone.

[shamyyellow]

3 hours ago, spidergirl said:

Besides they have a low sex drive. One of them having sex with someone else just because they were away from each other a few weeks, months would be like they suddenly changed of personality, I mean, it would not be Sheldon and neither Amy.

That goes back to the other day when I said sex was a weird choice of ways to send Amy off to Princeton. I know everybody got defensive, but the choice still seems off to me. I think it was definitely made to fit this finale. Once again, that isn't to say cheating is actually going to take place, but I do see it as the theme and setup. Sex outside of their one-year agreement lets it be known that Sheldon is a sexual creature of some variety and adds doubt to our minds that he wouldn't under any circumstances cheat. When he hardly even wants a physical relationship with the woman she loves, why would he? Now that he's broken the once-a-year agreement... maybe it means more to him than we thought?

All of this isn't to say he will cheat, but to recognize that recent choices were made to address the possibility in the finale.

[sarah7]

8 hours ago, littleknee said:

I had another conjecture for the finale ... maybe Ramona manipulates Sheldon into showing her the work that he and Amy were collaborating on. That would still create drama but be less OOC. It also fits into the character they created for Ramona in the past. Just one of many speculations. 

This is a good point, what if Sheldon's "cheating" is something work-related?

I mean, I would hate for it to happen, but what if Sheldon gets "carried away" while discussing physics with Ramona and she ends up inserting herself in the Fowler-Cooper collaboration?

 

[vonmar]

IMO...Sheldon isn't going to cheat and Amy isn't going to cheat.  Also keep in mind that (as of now) we have no idea when this episode takes place in TBBT world...the day after Amy left, a week, a month?

They're obviously going for a cliffhanger that will put butts in front of the TV for the start of Season 11.

So, I think we are either looking a huge misunderstanding regarding S/A/Ramona that will be resolved in 11x1 or Ramona is a red herring and a completely different bombshell will be revealed.

[April]

Keep in mind that as of now the idea of a "Shamy infidelity story" is merely conjecture from us fans based on a one line summary that may be highly misleading. So for all we know the writers never actually seriously considered Sheldon could be cheating but much like the episode earlier this season you can easily build a storyline around him freaking out over nothing.

[shamyyellow]

I'm certainly not freaked out... I just like conversation. 

[snapepans]

6 hours ago, sarah7 said:

This is a good point, what if Sheldon's "cheating" is something work-related?

I mean, I would hate for it to happen, but what if Sheldon gets "carried away" while discussing physics with Ramona and she ends up inserting herself in the Fowler-Cooper collaboration?

 

I like this speculation, and I don't mind for it to happen for real.

My reasons are: 

1. I want more plots about Shamy's science project, the one in 1019 was just perfect. So, to me, the more, the merrier.

2. In this case, we can avoid the unnecessary relationship drama, but focus on their work-related plots.

3. I hope the writers can show us: Not every woman is interested in the man romantically, sometimes they just want other things.

Edited April 24, 2017 by snapepans

[koops]

I don’t think making counterarguments means being defensive. It’s a counterargument. I am totally fine being wrong (like I said, I have had everything I wanted from the show now, so if they jump the shark I’ll be happily on my way), so I am not getting upset about it. But I can’t help it if I find something unlikely and every time I think about it I keep coming up with more reasons why it makes no sense than reasons why it does.

At the moment, I can’t think of any reason, *from a writers’ POV* why a cheating storyline would make sense. To me, it doesn’t make any sense to me for them to have spent a decade obsessing over Sheldon’s deal and being excessively careful not to ruffle the feathers of those viewers who think the world will end if Sheldon has sex and then suddenly, overnight, think the audience will be on the edge of their seats waiting to see how a cheating storyline plays out. The only explanation I keep coming up with when I think of a Sheldon-cheating storyline is that they’re jumping the shark. That’s it. A cheating storyline in the sense that the audience/gang is led to believe there’s something worrisome going on, maybe. But actual cheating? No. And even the former, if nobody falls for it because it’s Sheldon, then how effective is it going to be, really?

Also, sexuality isn’t an on/off switch. If the audience chooses to think (like some used to complain before he even slept with Amy) that because Sheldon started having occasional sex with his girlfriend of 7 years after over half a decade, the switch has been turned “on” and he suddenly has become an ordinary man who can be tempted to try sex with just anyone, then they have a poor understanding of sexuality. It doesn’t necessarily mean the writers are implying that. 

A low sex drive doesn’t mean no sex whatsoever, ever. Which is why throwing out the once-a-year deal doesn’t make much difference in terms of their sex drive/life. I have been saying for a while that what bothered me about the once-a-year deal isn’t the frequency, but the deadline aspect of it. Shamy could very well end up having sex only twice a year now (or once a month, or whatever - not that frequently) but it would be spontaneous sex, when they feel in the mood for it, rather than a tick on the calendar. Which fits much more with the way they’ve been written in terms of physical intimacy this season (with scientific arguments turning them on, making out in front of Lenny because they’ll miss each other, Sheldon admitting he has a “mood” that he can be in or out of when it comes to sex, Sheldon admitting Amy being smart makes him randy and encouraging sex because he wants to make a baby) than the annual tick on the calendar deal. It was something that stood out like a sore thumb in the smoothness and coherence that was Shamy in S10 and maybe the writers have decided it was time to smooth that one out too. I would be surprised if the once a year deal wasn’t a topic of heated debate in the writers room as the consummation was and it took them a while to reach an agreement on how to write it.

If their plan was to set up a storyline where the audience worries that Sheldon might cheat, a more effective way to do that would have been to sow some discord and dissatisfaction between Sheldon and Amy in 10x23, possibly even introducing Ramona briefly back at work, make them part on not-so-good terms while Ramona is supportive of Sheldon, and THEN you can have a time jump a month in the future in the finale where Ramona and Sheldon have been hanging out all the time and getting along great and the gang worrying about it. If they wanted to set up a cheating storyline, to have Sheldon and Amy part on the best terms they’ve ever been, very much in love and in synch, is a bizarre writing choice. If the Ramona plot had been in the premiere, then I could buy it, because they don’t necessarily write the finale with the premiere in mind and can decide what to do about the premiere at the last minute, even if it feels disconnected (and that’s how Leonard cheating came up - there was NO setup for that whatsoever and was totally made up on the spot for drama, but they set it two years in the past in order for it to have at least *some* resemblance of planning). If 10x23 weren’t setting up the stage for 10x24, then I could buy it, for that same reason. But given that they obviously wrote 10x23 with 10x24 in mind (and viceversa), the route they chose would be very bizarre if they were planning to write a cheating storyline. Basically the ONLY thing about 10x23 that somehow supports this cheating idea is “Sheldon now has sex more than once a year with Amy” meaning that he’s now a “sexual creature”. That’s it. There’s nothing else.

One can argue that there’s the “don’t fall in love with other scientists” line that could foreshadow trouble. Could they be setting up Sheldon falling for Ramona instead of cheating? Again, why bring back that crazy woman instead of a brand new scientist if that were the case? Ramona and Sheldon have a past, but it’s one where she was crazy and after him to get scientific credit and Sheldon was uninterested and trying to get away from her. It’s a bizarre writing choice to bring her specifically back after 8 years if they want to suggest Sheldon might be falling in love with someone else. Martha might have been a better choice. 

So… yeah. I’ll eat my hat on Tuesday night if I’m wrong, and I don’t put it past these writers to be completely off the rails, but I literally feel like I need to shut down every single rational part of my brain and then some to explain this one away.

[mirs1]

I think some sort of misunderstanding might be possible, but IMO it will be solved within the episode. Starting off with the idea that the writers would never make Sheldon cheat for real, it would be against whatever they have done in 10 years, a cliffhanger where everybody thinks he did and then, in the season premiere, we discover he actually didn't would be too similar to S. 4 season finale. Now, generally speaking, I'm not against repeating plots, it happens all the time in all long-running shows, but this particular cliffhanger would be so predictable (I can already hear the "Come on, seriously?" raising all over the world as the episode airs, if that's the case...) that it could just backfire against the writers. 

Edited April 24, 2017 by mirs1

[spidergirl]

Good morning, everyone. 

I reached the point that I only wish I could breath properly in the tag scene of 10.24. And also I could smile for what we are going to watch that we dont know yet because it is only Monday .

Everyone had writen great points.  Some would be wrong, others right. But in end we will be alltogether for face whatever is coming for shamy.

Going eventually to reading mode. My anxiety usually make me repeat over and over and also my points make  less sense, hehe!

Edited April 24, 2017 by spidergirl

[Jonny]

7 hours ago, vonmar said:

IMO...Sheldon isn't going to cheat and Amy isn't going to cheat.  Also keep in mind that (as of now) we have no idea when this episode takes place in TBBT world...the day after Amy left, a week, a month?

They're obviously going for a cliffhanger that will put butts in front of the TV for the start of Season 11.

So, I think we are either looking a huge misunderstanding regarding S/A/Ramona that will be resolved in 11x1 or Ramona is a red herring and a completely different bombshell will be revealed.

Could be the other storyline, there is no way they are just having the one storyline in the finale with all characters involved in it. She wasn't that iconic of a character and not like a mega special guest to warrant it.

The last season finale was mainly driven by one storyline because of so many big names in the finale but even that had the seperate Howard/Raj/Bernie military storyline as well.

Edited April 24, 2017 by Jonny

[April]

28 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

I think some sort of misunderstanding might be possible, but IMO it will be solved within the episode. Starting off with the idea that the writers would never make Sheldon cheat for real, it would be against whatever they have done in 10 years, a cliffhanger where everybody thinks he did and then, in the season premiere, we discover he actually didn't would be too similar to S. 4 season finale. Now, generally speaking, I'm not against repeating plots, it happens all the time in all long-running shows, but this particular cliffhanger would be so predictable (I can already hear the "Come on, seriously?" raising all over the world as the episode airs, if that's the case...) that it could just backfire against the writers. 

Regarding these kinds of cliffhangers you can also see a pattern with them in that it doesn't go over well with the audience and the writers end up back-pedalling hard in the next season opener. The Penny/Raj thing? Both characters were single so it wouldn't even be that bad from a cheating standpoint but there was a backlash (apparently even from the actors themselves?) and the follow up story was all about how nothing much actually happened, whoops! Same with Leonard's boat kiss fiasco that the following episodes downplayed as much as possible. They know how protective the audience is of those characters and cheating storylines don't go over well. Doing that with Sheldon is just asking for trouble - not just from the general audience, I'm sure Jim would be less than thrilled to say the least.

[koops]

I am skeptical that there's going to be an engagement any time soon, and I don't even care if there is one or isn't one, personally. But I could see how the Ramona storyline might be used to raise the topic of commitment. As in, if the gang all worry about Sheldon getting too close with Ramona while Amy is gone because in their minds "man who spends time with woman while girlfriend is away = trouble/cheating" only for Sheldon to pull out the engagement card to prove he's 100% committed to Amy. Not even in the sense of running to propose, but maybe state to the gang that he's planning to ask soon, or something. That is classic "flip synopsis on its head" style of writing/advertising.

[mirs1]

9 minutes ago, koops said:

I am skeptical that there's going to be an engagement any time soon, and I don't even care if there is one or isn't one, personally. But I could see how the Ramona storyline might be used to raise the topic of commitment. As in, if the gang all worry about Sheldon getting too close with Ramona while Amy is gone because in their minds "man who spends time with woman while girlfriend is away = trouble/cheating" only for Sheldon to pull out the engagement card to prove he's 100% committed to Amy. Not even in the sense of running to propose, but maybe state to the gang that he's planning to ask soon, or something. That is classic "flip synopsis on its head" style of writing/advertising.

You know, giving how 10.23 has been handled, I'm more than happy to have a possible engagement postponed during the next season...They are basically married, a ring at Amy's finger won't change their commitment. I was rooting for engagement as a possible way to end the season or as a cliffhanger simply because I was pretty sure the writers were so enjoying the annual coitus that they were already planning coitus 3.0 on 11.11 (which is a cool episode number, BTW); I'm really happy I was proven wrong on that! At this point, I wouldn't want an engagement rushed in the finale or a cliffhanger with Sheldon being on the verge of proposing anymore, but a heads-up to the ring and to Sheldon's intentions to use it at some point in the "near" future (whatever that means) would be nice, just to remind us there's another milestone set for Shamy. 

[amethyst]

I think the writers have been very careful over the years to keep Sheldon a likeable character even with his quirks and sometimes inappropriate behaviour. I can't see them doing a " Sheldon cheats on Amy " storyline that would run the risk of turning the audience against him and possibly even hate him!

On a side note I mentioned to my hubby about the possibility of Sheldon cheating and his reaction was " Sheldon?....Cheat?....For f*cks sake!! " lol

[koops]

10 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

You know, giving how 10.23 has been handled, I'm more than happy to have a possible engagement postponed during the next season...They are basically married, a ring at Amy's finger won't change their commitment. I was rooting for engagement as a possible way to end the season or as a cliffhanger simply because I was pretty sure the writers were so enjoying the annual coitus that they were already planning coitus 3.0 on 11.11 (which is a cool episode number, BTW); I'm really happy I was proven wrong on that! At this point, I wouldn't want an engagement rushed in the finale or a cliffhanger with Sheldon being on the verge of proposing anymore, but a heads-up to the ring and to Sheldon's intentions to use it at some point in the "near" future (whatever that means) would be nice, just to remind us there's another milestone set for Shamy. 

I'm not going to lie. I was hoping that one of these last two episodes would be the end of the once-a-year deal and I was flabbergasted that that's exactly what happened because while I was hoping, I wasn't expecting it because I thought the writers had settled comfortably in their once-a-year thing and didn't want to disturb the status quo. At the same time, I kept asking myself how the heck they were going to pull that one off without being repetitive and predictable. They couldn't keep having a coitus episode every single year in the exact same episode. That is such a massive restraint on creativity. But I thought that their fears concerning Sheldon and sex trumped even stifling creativity. I'm really glad they proved me wrong. 

[mirs1]

12 minutes ago, koops said:

I'm not going to lie. I was hoping that one of these last two episodes would be the end of the once-a-year deal and I was flabbergasted that that's exactly what happened because while I was hoping, I wasn't expecting it because I thought the writers had settled comfortably in their once-a-year thing and didn't want to disturb the status quo. At the same time, I kept asking myself how the heck they were going to pull that one off without being repetitive and predictable. They couldn't keep having a coitus episode every single year in the exact same episode. That is such a massive restraint on creativity. But I thought that their fears concerning Sheldon and sex trumped even stifling creativity. I'm really glad they proved me wrong. 

The writers must have thought that a children's birthday party doesn't match up too well with sex....It's indeed pretty creepy, if you ask me!!! Happy that Bernie's elephant-like pregnancy came back to haunt them after all!LOL!

Edited April 24, 2017 by mirs1

[Riley7]

I'm sorry I'm still lost here. When you say 'end the once a year deal', what exactly is meant by that? Will it be said in so many words by Sheldon and Amy, or is it just implied.

Sorry, but small stuff like that matters to a Shamaholic.