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1 hour ago, shamyyellow said:

I agree with @Tenji but I'm a little bummed that they didn't bother with a single line about the last time he saw Ramona and why he's decided to trust her again. She has the same name, so it's not like everybody forgot her history with Sheldon. So while I think he was interested in her work, I don't think it would've hurt to mention how he kicked her out of his life 8 years ago with an explanation about why things are different now.

Little nitpicks though. I really can't complain.

 

Yes an explanation would have helped. He kicked her out of 4A in season 2 but he couldn't have kicked her out of his life altogether since she was one of his postgrads. Despite all her clinginess and bossiness there was also a small contribution she made to the physics of what he was working on, if I understood what they were talking about. So perhaps off-screen he begrudgingly appreciated her. Now she's a doctor of whatever at CERN he'll conveniently file any unpleasantness to the back of his memory. Any friend of CERN is a friend of Sheldon's in case he or she gives him the chance to go.

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2 hours ago, shamyyellow said:

I agree with @Tenji but I'm a little bummed that they didn't bother with a single line about the last time he saw Ramona and why he's decided to trust her again. She has the same name, so it's not like everybody forgot her history with Sheldon. So while I think he was interested in her work, I don't think it would've hurt to mention how he kicked her out of his life 8 years ago with an explanation about why things are different now.

Little nitpicks though. I really can't complain.

 

Oh don't get me wrong I like the final but that bit is not making sense!

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8 minutes ago, shamyyellow said:

Right. I think people are forgetting that Ramona did have the personality to make him do things (or not do things) other people couldn't. Unless, of course, that thing is cheating on/forgetting about Amy. That he can't do.

Absolutely ! The power of true love can break Ramona's spell. He finds her thrall difficult to resist, but not impossible where his science or his heart's worm are concerned.

My other theory is that when they do Sheldon's family tree Ramona will turn out to be related to his mother. She's descended from Meemaw's aunt.    Bwahahaha. :)

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Thank you kazzie and shsmyyellow for all the info. Cannot wait to see these episodes. And as I'm sure someone else has said WOW Kazzie you are one good luck charm when it comes to Shamy and tapings.
Seriously thank you to all who share. I and I know the others here are eternally grateful!!!


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11 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

Yes an explanation would have helped. He kicked her out of 4A in season 2 but he couldn't have kicked her out of his life altogether since she was one of his postgrads. Despite all her clinginess and bossiness there was also a small contribution she made to the physics of what he was working on, if I understood what they were talking about. So perhaps off-screen he begrudgingly appreciated her. Now she's a doctor of whatever at CERN he'll conveniently file any unpleasantness to the back of his memory. Any friend of CERN is a friend of Sheldon's in case he or she gives him the chance to go.

I also think that by being around Amy, Sheldon has learned to be more accepting of people he normally wouldn't give the time of day to...like Bert (one of the rock people) for instance.  In addition, who better than Sheldon knows how people have the ability to change over the course of time.  So he probably went into the encounter with an open mind...well, as open a mind as Sheldon can have.

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Thanks to everyone who shared info.  I guess I missed the last taping report because I just found out today that they break the "once a year" rule in the penultimate episode if the season. I'm happy Sheldon just goes with his feelings instead of staying beholden to a self-imposed, needlessly restrictive schedule.  They love each other.  They both enjoy it.  I'm glad that's over. 

I'm going to be worried about the proposal all summer, at least until I read confirmation Mayim is on board for 2 more seasons.  I don't say this to be a downer or to worry anyone else, but to say thanks.  I really appreciate those of you who stay positive about this ship.  

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1 hour ago, vonmar said:

I also think that by being around Amy, Sheldon has learned to be more accepting of people he normally wouldn't give the time of day to...like Bert (one of the rock people) for instance.  In addition, who better than Sheldon knows how people have the ability to change over the course of time.  So he probably went into the encounter with an open mind...well, as open a mind as Sheldon can have.

Agreed.

Let's not forget that Sheldon was probably missing Amy very much.   I love the fact that Ramona told the others that he talks about Amy all the time.   It is obvious who his thoughts were focused on.   Although he had no romantic intentions with Ramona, as a scientist, she filled a void by providing him company and some intellectual attention in Amy's absence.   True to Sheldon's character, he made it all about him, disregarding the well-meaning direction from his friends.

Was Sheldon cheating on Amy by spending time with another woman?   While it was poor taste on his part, in his mind he was acting no different with Ramona than he does hanging out with Penny or Bernadette, who are married women.   It was an honest mistake on his part, and he became victim of  his false perceptions so-to-speak because he would never consider leading a woman on, especially one he knows is in another committed relationship.   He assumed Ramona was acting likewise, and they were just hanging out as colleagues and "friends".  When I says "friends," I'd put Ramona in the same category as Bert, Stuart, and maybe even Kripke.   Not in the key group, but ones Sheldon has accepted as alternatives when he is in a pinch for company.

Some can argue that Sheldon understands infidelity very well.   He tried to protect Leonard when he thought Penny was cheating on him upon his early return from the North Sea.   He speaks of his father's unfaithfulness.   He warned Leonard again with the corn pecking scenario.   Sheldon is not as innocent of intimate matters as he appears.   However....

It is easy to see in others what one doesn't see in himself.    Sheldon thinks he is smarter than everyone, the things he says and does are crystal clear, and assumes that those around him think like him and will abide by his convictions.   He is so arrogant that he can't see the danger until the other party acts contrary to his expectations and catches him off guard.   It kind of reminds me of his taking empathy on the death of Wil Wheaton's grandmother, only to find out he has been victimized by a lie.   To Sheldon, who does such a thing to him?  To others, yes, but to him is unfathomable.   To be fair, who could possibly win a card game with Sheldon's eidetic memory without tugging on Sheldon's heartstrings to vie for a win?   Well played, Wheaton!

Sheldon hates being wrong, but when he comes to the realization that he is, he wants to and is quick to set matters straight.    In this case, he was wrong in that he didn't trust the warnings he had been given or take Amy's discomfort regarding Ramona into consideration, not because Ramona kissed him.   

Ramona's kiss backfired in that instead of luring Sheldon into her arms, he flees to Amy's.   Sheldon's heart is in the right place.  It is his trust in others' intentions and his friends' guidance that could use some work.

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7 hours ago, kazzie said:

Next scene is Raj in the hallway saying goodbye to Penny and Leonard at the door. They get interrupted when Sheldon shouts from 4B Bedroom " Oh Amy you naughty Vixen". The guys seem disturbed with what was going on next door, Someone suggested going in there to see what was happening but after amy shouts out something like "Oh Sheldon, that is a great method to cause forward stimulation" (Again I cant remember what exactly it was but it was something science-y turned sexy". The guys just all look on with a "nope" look on their faces.. It ends with Sheldon shouting WOOHOOOO.

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Thank you Kazzie for all the info!!...

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I said this in the discussion thread but wanted to share it here.

I don't want Amy to say no and kick him back to Pasadena that's too angsty (and overblown) for me...but I don't want a sudden yes either per se. I could imagine Amy having a slight panic attack from the shock (call back to Prom) and Sheldon gets up to help her into the apartment to calm down. They both realize it's late and they go to sleep (in the same bed! :icon_redface:) to wake up together. And now that they've both caught their breath they can talk things out. I want her to say yes in the end (of course!) but a well thought out yes.

what I NEED, is for Sheldon to make it clear that this is NOT an ultimatum (for my own silly reasons). To contrast 9x07. If one of them feels they're not ready for whatever reasons the other needs to respect that. and talk things out, come to an understanding. Marriage should not be treated as some sort of mandate. 

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10 hours ago, kazzie said:
Next scene is Raj in the hallway saying goodbye to Penny and Leonard at the door. They get interrupted when Sheldon shouts from 4B Bedroom " Oh Amy you naughty Vixen". The guys seem disturbed with what was going on next door, Someone suggested going in there to see what was happening but after amy shouts out something like "Oh Sheldon, that is a great method to cause forward stimulation" (Again I cant remember what exactly it was but it was something science-y turned sexy". The guys just all look on with a "nope" look on their faces.. It ends with Sheldon shouting WOOHOOOO.
 

This should probably be done after we see the episode, but... Are there any fan fic writers here who would like to, uh, fill in the details of what Shamy were doing during this? :icon_wink:

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1 hour ago, Giuseppe said:

This should probably done after we see the episode, but... Are there any fan fic writers here who would like to, uh, fill in the details of what Shamy were doing during this? :icon_wink:

I would read it :)

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3 hours ago, Jedichic98 said:

I said this in the discussion thread but wanted to share it here.

I don't want Amy to say no and kick him back to Pasadena that's too angsty (and overblown) for me...but I don't want a sudden yes either per se. I could imagine Amy having a slight panic attack from the shock (call back to Prom) and Sheldon gets up to help her into the apartment to calm down. They both realize it's late and they go to sleep (in the same bed! :icon_redface:) to wake up together. And now that they've both caught their breath they can talk things out. I want her to say yes in the end (of course!) but a well thought out yes.

what I NEED, is for Sheldon to make it clear that this is NOT an ultimatum (for my own silly reasons). To contrast 9x07. If one of them feels they're not ready for whatever reasons the other needs to respect that. and talk things out, come to an understanding. Marriage should not be treated as some sort of mandate. 

This got me thinking Amy having a little panic attack could be a nice cold open like: Previously on TBBT [recap montage], Sheldon proposes, Amy's shocked face, Sheldon waits for an answer, Amy starts to panic like in Prom, Sheldon: "Oh no, not again..." runs inside to help her. Roll the opening credits. And then after you can have a quiet scene when things calmed down and he can explain a bit more about what happened and how much he loves her etc etc. and eventually ask her again and then she says yes.

I think that would be a good compromise between her immediately saying yes and the idea that he should try again when he's not emotionally compromised by Ramona's actions or whatever. Like, I'm personally not a fan of sending him home as if he just made a 30 min busride to her place. He travelled across country for literally hours - you don't do that if you're not certain that this is exactly what needs to happen. So sending him back home without anything being accomplished strikes me as a bit harsh here. And of course the other extreme with Amy accepting without even getting suspicious that something must have happened (after all she knew about Ramona) would leave me a bit unsatisfied as well. So a talk where Sheldon explains his actions would be much welcomed. After all in Earworm when he showed up at Amy's door he didn't just ask her to be his girlfriend again - he drifted off into some adorkable ramblings about how she is his heartworm. I find the proposal so far very reminiscent of that (he's even wearing the same shirts!) so I would love something similar as a resolution for this cliffhanger.

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Completely agreed, April. I think that's the best scenario. It doesn't make sense at all for Amy to refuse or be that upset about it all to refuse, especially when he's travelled all across the country for her. It's a really grand gesture. There's no way she's not going to be moved. But it makes sense that she would be suspicious because Sheldon isn't exactly the type to show up suddenly on a whim without planning and telling her in advance. So I think a scene or two where they work that out, followed by her saying yes, is the best scenario. 

I was also saying yesterday that it could be that Sheldon stays in Princeton all summer, but I kind of want him to go back home now, maybe after a few days. Because I think it would be good for him to live alone for a bit, and also because it would be great to see him welcome Amy back home when she returns.

Regarding Ramona. Am I the only one who kind of feels bad about Sheldon because I think he genuinely thought he had made a friend and it turns out she had ulterior motives? I honestly think he enjoyed spending time with her as a "play date" and it must be hard to find out she wasn't interested in a friendship at all and it was all a ploy to get into his pants. 

And, finally, 10x23 sounds A.M.A.Z.I.N.G! I agree with everyone who said that besides Shamy, what's great about both these episodes is that we see the gang as true, supportive friends to one another. There's no snarking or indifference or mean gestures. They are supportive and have each other's backs. This is exactly what I wanted (and never got) in S9, where it seemed like not only they didn't even know one another, but had short-term memory loss depending on who they hung out with. I wanted this cohesiveness and support, and it's great to see them in display here. The best episodes are always the ones where every character comes across strong. 

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Panicking in some forms would be IC for Amy, that's what has  happened during many other important moments in their relationship: the train kiss, the ILY2, their first time...She really wanted all those things to happen, but as her wishes came true, she had a very natural fear reaction, because it was something new to her too. I would love they take some time (within the episode, though, the idea of multiple proposals gives me chills, and (to quote Jim), not in a good way) to speak and Sheldon explains why he chose that very moment to propose.

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I don't think they're going to go down the multiple proposals route again. It was a big Lenny thing, I don't think they can or want to recycle that because it's too obviously a copy. I think at most he's going to propose again in that same episode after they've talked things though. 

And I would love for Amy to panic! 

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Just throwing it in there, but I've been thinking....In 9.11, we thought the scene before coitus had been cut before they actually kissed, but it was not the case, what if they do this also in this episode and in the final edit Amy does answer? LOL!

Anyway, happy episode day, everyone!!!

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I  m with those who would like to see some panick from Amy as Sheldon needed  to calm her down first. After all the proposal is something Amy is waiting (and know about the ring) for a while . Besides Amy knows Ramona was around, her spirit could not be quite in peace and suddenly Sheldon crossed half of country for see and propose her. We know our shamy need time to settle emotions so big for them and surely Sheldon had a few adorable but serious reasons list to say to Amy in his most awkward but effective way. The trip was  long and our Shelley is fan of preparedness, he would really do his best to explain why the sudden proposal and also why he did not it before with a prepared speech, I guess.

I see too Amy saying  yes without the need of multiple proposals, good lord no to that route, please! A honest talk between shamy always fix or start to fix things between them.  Maybe the Amy's  yes came a bit later in 11.01 after he calmed down too and spent the night with her, which could be a nice tip for comedy because Sheldon has not pajamas  with  him for spending the night with Amy there,LOL! 

Anyway imo there is  no chance for Amy sent him back with a no. After all Amy knows Sheldon and she would not kind of assume he had done something wrong without listening to him and specially without  listening from him the circunstances  of how everything happened with Ramona  as Amy knows Sheldon is doing better but still doesnt get that good  to read the otherds emotions/ intentions.

 

 

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Yeah they have had multiple proposal attempts before on the show so they do have form for that type of storyline but surely it has been done to death as a concept?

Been thinking and another factor to consider is that this is Sheldon's second proposal attempt. Amy of course doesn't know about the first but we as viewers know this is Sheldon's second attempt at a proposal. Honestly I am not sure how well Sheldon might take another unsuccessful attempt, more so if the second actually allowed him to utter the words and be on bended knee in front of her and he was still unsuccessful. Would you want to do that to Sheldon's character?

No I think it will be successful, Amy will accept. I do like @April's idea of the panic attack perhaps used as a method to get them into her Princeton digs and sit on the couch so perhaps they can talk a little about Ramona and the trouble she was trying to cause.

I think he has nothing to fear because honestly he has done nothing wrong, he's actually done everything right by getting the hell out of there as soon as Ramona's true intentions were revealed lol. That's not because I am a guy and sticking up for someone of the same gender, trust me had Sheldon gone along with it even a little bit further like some may have done in the same situation I would be killing him for it.

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At first I was apprehensive about the proposal. I didn't like the episode in general, because I thought it was forced angst by the writers. I can, as can many other shippers, think of better catalysts to ultimately result in a proposal. 

However, like most of the episodes that are in some ways too adult for a 19 year old to fully comprehend, you guys made me see it differently.

1. I thought it wasn't Shamyesque.

Wrong. Sheldon showing up unexpected at Amy's door with a big declaration of love has actually happened before. And that knock... Oh boy was she not expecting to hear that for a while. The things that must have been going through her mind when she heard his voice. 

2. I said it wasn't a big enough gesture.

He flew halfway across the country. Throwback to s8 when I was pretty sure he was gonna ask over Skype... Now he knows that he needs to be with her, taking a knee and asking her the question we all know he has been dying to ask for 2 years now. So maybe there wasn't roses or candles or other corny stuff like that, and maybe it didn't involve scavenger hunts or fwf like I always hoped it would... But it was still meaningful to Amy (regardless of her answer) because it was Sheldon. And it was still meaningful to us because it was Shamy.

3. I said the general episode felt cold.

We have the girls (and God please bless 'em) trying to keep Sheldon from getting any closer to that She-devil and Raj putting has last bit of self-respect on the line and asking her out. That's family right there..  They don't always support the quirkiness of Shamy's relationship, but they support the relationship nonetheless.

I guess I needed time to fully process it, cos it is a big moment. But now I can see why everyone else is excited. This season has been wonderful and I'm hopeful that the next one will be too.

 

 

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