Ship Zone [Spoilers] Shamy: Season 10

[Capt. Hilts]

I've been hesitant to think or type that Sheldon was "holding back on a proposal," because he's generally reluctant to change things that 'work'.  And his current arrangement with Amy 'worked', until her departure and predatory Ramona.

[RJ1013]

He had apparently been carrying the ring around with him, so I assume he's been wanting to give it to her, but for whatever reason he hadn't done so yet. That's all I meant by 'holding back on a proposal'. Being happy with his status quo and not wanting to change things is certainly another possible reason.

[Radar]

@RJ1013: Interesting point! It never really crossed my mind that he might be feeling guilty, because he didn't do anything wrong really. I was more like: Okay, he realized that a rule that is completely clear to him (if someone is in a relationship a third party cannot have any romantic interest in him/her) is not really clear or binding for others. In short: He realized that Penny had been right!

So he immediately thought: 'I belong to Amy and I'm going to make this clear and obvious to everybody! And I'm going to do it right now!'

But of course there is the fact that he has been warned by Penny and he ignored it/couldn't believe someone would act that way. So in this respect he may well be feeling guilty. On the other hand this sort of guilt wouldn't prompt him to propose, would it? ... Mhmm, maybe it is a mixture of everything, something like: 'Penny was right! Why did I ignore her??' plus: 'I belong to Amy and I'm going to make this clear and obvious to everybody! And I'm going to do it right now!'

[serena_1995]

40 minutes ago, April said:

Why exactly the moment Ramona kissed him? Apart from the dramatic effect in the episode I think it may be about the idea that Ramona is violating something that he only shares with Amy. Being in a physical relationship with Amy has been such a huge deal for him and he was working years to overcome his issues with intimacy - to have someone he thought was a friend disrespect that is just one big NOPE for him. Amy's are the only lips he ever wants to kiss again he might as well make it official.

Or to quote one of my favourite movies: "... when you realize you want to spend the rest of your life with somebody, you want the rest of your life to start as soon as possible. "

(omg, that sounds cheesy, I'm sorry. lol)

 

To me this whole thing is really pointless and cliche . Did we really need more confirmation that Sheldon is loyal to Amy ? I mean, was there any doubt before that he will cheat ...or am I missing something ?

Why don't they ever have ,Sheldon be the one having doubts about Amy ? What guarantee does Sheldon have that Amy wont break up with him again ?Amy was the one who drugged him without his consent. If this was real life, things like that would also raise trust issues. 

After a point, the whole theme of "Sheldon needs to prove he is committed  " every  episode   becomes repetitive. I got the memo in "Veracity Elasticity ",  and during the Shamy break up. They made it clear enough he was committed.  

I would also not mind if they gave Sheldon more to do that just this proposal /relationship melodrama. I want more funny workplace plots for Sheldon, like he used to have  and some focus on his career, next season. Same for Amy.

[koops]

I think there's lots of possible, plausible and IC reasons why Sheldon 1) hadn't proposed until now after their reconciliation and 2) decided that now was the time to do it. 

I don't think we are meant to take the "Amy drugged him jokes" seriously. I think they're tacky and terrible jokes, mind you, precisely because the writers think it's funny not to take them seriously when they're overtly creepy. But I don't think the writers meant to be serious about them and have Sheldon question Amy's motives for them. Now, Sheldon being hurt by the breakup and being scared it might happen again has always been something I thought could make a lot of sense, especially in terms of why he hasn't proposed yet. There are hints that he might feel like there's some lingering insecurity in terms of Amy possibly leaving again (e.g. the "escape hatch" thing, his forlornness when he finds out she might "leave him" for the summer like she's leaving for good that Leonard needs to put in perspective, him telling her to call him immediately if she meets someone that could be like him). But there are also a lot of hints that he's extremely comfortable and well-adjusted in their relationship right now and that all the things he's doing in it aren't things he feels pressured into doing to keep her (and he literally spells it out in 10x23 that he's not having sex with her just to get her to stay). So I don't know that we necessarily *need* to explain his delay in proposing with that. Would it be an interesting avenue to explore and one that makes sense, canonically? Sure. I'd be happy with that. But I don't think it's mandatory, and I won't be disappointed if they don't. 

Besides the, very valid, point that Sheldon just settles into the status-quo and never really feels the need to change it, if it works, there might be another very simple explanation: that they have gotten back together relatively recently, all things considered, and it makes sense not to pop the question immediately, no matter how attuned they might be (see Leonard in S5, when he asked Penny to marry him in the middle of sex right after they had started dating again). I guess it makes sense to let things settle a little, especially when so many things have changed with them: sex and living together are two huge shifts in their relationship in the last year, year and a half. 

The status-quo explanation also works in terms of why Sheldon decided *now* is the time to propose, after the Ramona debacle: the status quo of just being boyfriend and girlfriend is obviously no longer optimal since telling Ramona he is in a relationship and her wanting to pursue a relationship with him is a huge issue given that status didn't deter her from going for it anyway. So he might feel like a change of status is in order to make things even clearer to the world (of course, there's people who wouldn't care about that either, but that wouldn't cross Sheldon's mind at this point in time). I do think there might also be a component of guilt. Not the "Amy forgive me" type of guilt, but the "I should have made the uncrossable line thicker and it was my fault for being gullible" type of guilt. 

We won't find out until the premiere (and, who knows, they might never spell it out), but I think these are all valid interpretations and it's likely it's a combination of many, rather than a single one. I don't think any cheapens the gesture though, because, ultimately, he's had that ring for years, and it's obviously something he's been thinking about for a long time. So despite the status quo being great for them right now, it seems like it's something he's been pondering without even having any input from Amy or anyone else. He must have his own reasons for it that go beyond status quo, or making a statement, or guilt. 

ETA: Also, well, one thing we can't complain about is that Sheldon hasn't had work-related plots? He had two ongoing projects this year, and the Recollection Dissipation one I thought was one of the best Sheldon-work episodes in years, since they finally showed once again how brilliant he is at everything he does, rather than have him have his usual "Sheldon is arrogant and gets put in his place through failure" workplace plots. 

Edited April 27, 2017 by koops

[April]

5 hours ago, serena_1995 said:

To me this whole thing is really pointless and cliche . Did we really need more confirmation that Sheldon is loyal to Amy ? I mean, was there any doubt before that he will cheat ...or am I missing something ?

Why don't they ever have ,Sheldon be the one having doubts about Amy ? What guarantee does Sheldon have that Amy wont break up with him again ?Amy was the one who drugged him without his consent. If this was real life, things like that would also raise trust issues. 

After a point, the whole theme of "Sheldon needs to prove he is committed  " every  episode   becomes repetitive. I got the memo in "Veracity Elasticity ",  and during the Shamy break up. They made it clear enough he was committed.  

I would also not mind if they gave Sheldon more to do that just this proposal /relationship melodrama. I want more funny workplace plots for Sheldon, like he used to have  and some focus on his career, next season. Same for Amy.

Like the idea that this episode is somehow about the question of whether or not Sheldon will cheat. That may have been a huge part of our speculations but judging from the TR that really isn't the point. I also don't see it as "melodrama" or some such exaggeration. Or that Sheldon only gets one type of plot these days.

Overall this season had a big variety of stories for Sheldon alone and Shamy together ranging from work place plots, to comedic plots, to some relationship drama, to some sexy times, to some science projects, to some nerdy activities, to some character growth, to the great revival of the "relationship of he mind" and whatnot. Heck, Shamy are now working together on their own science project that has been mentioned as an ongoing plot. Not every episode can be about the one thing you like. I personally think they had a really solid range this season.

Edited April 27, 2017 by Tripper

[Jonny]

11 minutes ago, April said:

Overall this season had a big variety of stories for Sheldon alone and Shamy together ranging from work place plots, to comedic plots, to some relationship drama, to some sexy times, to some science projects, to some nerdy activities, to some character growth, to the great revival of the "relationship of he mind" and whatnot. Heck, Shamy are now working together on their own science project that has been mentioned as an ongoing plot. Not every episode can be about the one thing you like. I personally think they had a really solid range this season.

I would agree I think they have had a very good with the range of plots and storylines this season. Sure if you want it to be absolutely perfect perhaps you might want a few more from Amy's perspective but as when we always get into this discussion (and we have gotten into this a lot lol) there are realities as well in that a lot of stories are told more from Sheldon's perspective. That's not going to change.

Seems to me the perfect way for Season 11 to perhaps change it up a little bit could be the introduction of some of Amy's family.

Edited April 27, 2017 by Jonny

[April]

14 minutes ago, Jonny said:

I would agree I think they have had a very good with the range of plots and storylines this season. Sure if you want it to be absolutely perfect perhaps you might want a few more from Amy's perspective but as when we always get into this discussion (and we have gotten into this a lot lol) there are realities as well in that a lot of stories are told more from Sheldon's perspective. That's not going to change.

Seems to me the perfect way for Season 11 to perhaps change it up a little bit could be the introduction of some of Amy's family.

Yeah, although Sheldon dominates the plots all across the board so that's pretty impossible to keep up with for any character on the show not just Amy. Because of them moving in together Amy got a huge boost in stories and screentime though so that's really great. There was also an improvement for Pamy stories so I'd count that in her favour as well.

There isn't really much left to complain about if our Amy-specific wish list consists mostly of Amy's family.

Edited April 27, 2017 by April

[Soopysue]

I'm having a hard time believing that he's doing it because of some sort of guilt or panic. The show hammered the point home that he was thinking about Amy the whole time and that the Ramona thing is not his fault beyond maybe being a bit naive about her motives. He was in the middle of explaining to her why he's not interested and then she kissed him against his will. He is completely innocent here.
What I think this moment could be is an epiphany, a moment of clarity where everything just clicks into place much like in Earworm where he also just runs out straight to Amy (and he's even wearing the same shirts so I take it it's an intentional parallel). Why exactly the moment Ramona kissed him? Apart from the dramatic effect in the episode I think it may be about the idea that Ramona is violating something that he only shares with Amy. Being in a physical relationship with Amy has been such a huge deal for him and he was working years to overcome his issues with intimacy - to have someone he thought was a friend disrespect that is just one big NOPE for him. Amy's are the only lips he ever wants to kiss again he might as well make it official.
Or to quote one of my favourite movies: "... when you realize you want to spend the rest of your life with somebody, you want the rest of your life to start as soon as possible. "
(omg, that sounds cheesy, I'm sorry. lol)

I love this post April !!!!!! Totally agree, amazing insight I think [emoji8]


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[April]

21 minutes ago, Soopysue said:

I love this post April !!!!!! Totally agree, amazing insight I think
 

(any excuse to use that gif lol)

[Soopysue]

(any excuse to use that gif lol)

Haha !!! This is perfect [emoji51]


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[Sah]

8 hours ago, Jonny said:

Shamy can have really interesting kind of in the background storylines say a B plot in the epsiodes because they are great together in everything but also both very quirky individually. If the writers choose to do that for a while in Season 11 whilst resolving what I think are pretty clear issues with Lenny and Raj then I would be absolutely fine with that.

I completely agree...I had my amazing Shamy season. I am more then willing to watch the Hoffsteder's flourish...and Raj!

[spidergirl]

4 minutes ago, Sah said:

I completely agree...I had my amazing Shamy season. I am more then willing to watch the Hoffsteder's flourish...and Raj!

But with more also Shamy at same time, right? Even  with smaller screen time 

Edited April 27, 2017 by spidergirl

[Radar]

Somehow I can't get my mind of thinking what Sheldon's stag party will be like!
So far we had.
Howard: the drunken disaster and Raj's ramblings nearly ruining the wedding.
Leonard (belated): another disaster with the guys stranded in the desert and Feynman's van going off in flames.

And now (soon!!) - Sheldon.

What could possibly go wrong this time? 

[Sah]

11 minutes ago, spidergirl said:

But with more also Shamy at same time, right? Even  with smaller screen time 

I got what I wanted....smaller screen time is fine with me

[serena_1995]

 

1 hour ago, April said:

Honestly, I sometimes really don't get your complaints because they're all so "all or nothing". I get that you have your preferences and that's fine. We all do. But every time an episode doesn't match what you want you're writing these hyperbolic statements I find difficult to engage with.

Like the idea that this episode is somehow about the question of whether or not Sheldon will cheat. That may have been a huge part of our speculations but judging from the TR that really isn't the point. I also don't see it as "melodrama" or some such exaggeration. Or that Sheldon only gets one type of plot these days.

 

 

Why would i care if my posts are  difficult to engage with ? I  found the finale taping  reductive and boring and I'm wary of the direction they might take in season 10.

[spidergirl]

22 minutes ago, Radar said:

Somehow I can't get my mind of thinking what Sheldon's stag party will be like!
So far we had.
Howard: the drunken disaster and Raj's ramblings nearly ruining the wedding.
Leonard (belated): another disaster with the guys stranded in the desert and Feynman's van going off in flames.

And now (soon!!) - Sheldon.

What could possibly go wrong this time? 

Everyhing or nothing, LOL! However the choice of the place could turn to be so funny as Sheldon would surely have many quirky issues about guys choices, as I assume guys would take care of all stag! Girl, you had a great point! Can not wait for shamy official get engaged and that stag be on horizon of viewers, lol!

Edited April 27, 2017 by spidergirl

[Sah]

10 minutes ago, spidergirl said:

Everyhing or nothing, LOL! However the choice of the place could turn to be so funny as Sheldon would surely have many quirky issues about guys choices, as I assume guys would take care of all stag! Girl, you had a great point! Can not wait for shamy official get engaged and that stag be on horizon of viewers, lol!

I would like his party to be a weekend of Dungeons and Dragons, video games, paint ball and kite flying the girls I want to go to Vegas for Amy. For old time sake...

Edited April 27, 2017 by Sah

[Radar]

5 minutes ago, Sah said:

I would like his party to be a weekend of Dungeons and Dragons, video games, paint ball and kite flying the girls I want to go to Vegas for Amy. For old time sake...

Paint Ball would be great! They havn't done that in quite some time. Actually I would like to see the girls taking part in that, too!

Imagine Bernadette in a Rambo outfit! LOL - the girls would definitely win! 

[jenafan]

3 hours ago, April said:

I'm having a hard time believing that he's doing it because of some sort of guilt or panic. The show hammered the point home that he was thinking about Amy the whole time and that the Ramona thing is not his fault beyond maybe being a bit naive about her motives. He was in the middle of explaining to her why he's not interested and then she kissed him against his will. He is completely innocent here.

What I think this moment could be is an epiphany, a moment of clarity where everything just clicks into place much like in Earworm where he also just runs out straight to Amy (and he's even wearing the same shirts so I take it it's an intentional parallel). Why exactly the moment Ramona kissed him? Apart from the dramatic effect in the episode I think it may be about the idea that Ramona is violating something that he only shares with Amy. Being in a physical relationship with Amy has been such a huge deal for him and he was working years to overcome his issues with intimacy - to have someone he thought was a friend disrespect that is just one big NOPE for him. Amy's are the only lips he ever wants to kiss again he might as well make it official.

Or to quote one of my favourite movies: "... when you realize you want to spend the rest of your life with somebody, you want the rest of your life to start as soon as possible. "

(omg, that sounds cheesy, I'm sorry. lol)

I love this post so much!  Thanks April!

[Sah]

Just now, Radar said:

Paint Ball would be great! They havn't done that in quite some time. Actually I would like to see the girls taking part in that, too!

Imagine Bernadette in a Rambo outfit! LOL - the girls would definitely win! 

Some black stuff under her eyes

[April]

31 minutes ago, serena_1995 said:

Why would i care if my posts are  difficult to engage with ? I  found the finale taping  reductive and boring and I'm wary of the direction they might take in season 10.

Because this is a discussion forum and there was a time when we actually had interesting discussions? I naively thought that's why you'd quote me. But hey, if that's not what you want any more then sure vent away. Whatever makes you happy...

[Radar]

4 minutes ago, Sah said:

Some black stuff under her eyes

Yep, absolutely! And then Amy Terminator-like firing the final shot at Sheldon saying: "Hasta la vista, baby (or rather babe)!" 

[mirs1]

There are two pics, the other is with the girls...

[Sah]

1 minute ago, Radar said:

Yep, absolutely! And then Amy Terminator-like firing the final shot at Sheldon saying: "Hasta la vista, baby (or rather babe)!" 

"Hasta la vista, baby (or rather babe)!" . Sheldon would be so mad! Lol...