Ship Zone [Spoilers] Shamy: Season 10

[Jonny]

3 hours ago, koops said:

I hadn't read the entirety of Steve's interviews so this snippet escaped me:

Not that there was any doubt in my mind before, but it's nice to get official confirmation that the writers' minds are on our same wavelength. There's not going to be any stupid drama, with Sheldon trying to hide things from Amy and no question that he was anything but innocent in all this. I think that also partly answers the doubt some might have regarding whether Sheldon proposed out of guilt. He's innocent in what happened, and wouldn't hide it if asked... if he felt guilty in any way, he wouldn't act the way he's acting. I mean, I do think there might be a bit of guilt in him at the fact that he didn't realize sooner what was going on, but that's not something he would propose for. Plus, he's had that idea in his head for 2+ years now. He's had time to think about it.

It's tiresome to see reporters constantly asking if Sheldon is "ready", like he's some sort of dumb idiot who doesn't know what he wants. When has Sheldon ever made a step he wasn't 100% sure of? If anything, he's the opposite. He delays and delays and delays in order to make sure he's certain. And whenever he had reservations about something, he made it clear from the start and worked through them (like he did this season when he agreed to trying living together). I keep going back to Spoiler Alert, but back then it was Amy who was handling the whole situation in an immature way where her desire to live with her boyfriend trumped the reality that it's not the same as getting a roommate (she was all ready to move into Leonard's bedroom with her own bed), that there's a level of intimacy that goes far beyond that and she just wasn't getting it, while Sheldon did. He is more aware of the importance of certain commitments than most give him credit for.

Yeah that snippet does give me confidence that they aren't going to use some drama to derail perhaps even delay the engagement. If it's true that's what they wanted to portray and get across to the audience that he was the innocent one in all this then I think they absolutely nailed it. It's the same impression I got from all the scenes.

The only thing you can say he is perhaps a little bit guilty of is that he let her get that close in the first place (though to be fair she was less in your face and very sly and manipulative this time, maybe impossible for him to pick up on?). I suspect and he may never acknowledge this (but then again he could in perhaps a conversation with Amy in 11.1) that he feels a bit foolish that a) he didn't spot her intentions, Sheldon has had moments this season where he has got rather down that he hasn't spotted something/finds that frustrating e.g. emotion detector and b- that he didn't listen to his friends.

Even if that is a factor and there is perhaps some remorse or he feels a bit stupid that he let her get that close despite warnings it is in no way a strong enough argument or a story painted with great depth by the writers to stop the engagement.

Could Amy point out his shortcomings in that regard? I could perhaps see it, it would tie in with some of her concerns during the episode but I do expect her to be quite understanding. Most of her ire I suspect would be towards Ramona, I JUST HOPE there is no guilt or blaming herself here shown from Amy in dialogue. That she feels guilty she went away and something like this happened. Because in her line of work she is going to be away sometimes. She shouldn't be worried all the time that something is going to happen whilst she is away, that he cannot cope at all without her. Obviously Ramona was an unforeseen factor and completely out of her control.

Edited May 13, 2017 by Jonny

[koops]

1 hour ago, wowbagger said:

yes, the 'commitment phobic' remark always puzzles me about Sheldon, the Man of Many Contracts. Sheldon takes commitments extremely seriously. More than most. That is precisely why he is so wary of taking on new ones. Amy is the opposite. She's impulsive. She hurtles onto new things without thinking them through and is happy to abandon them the instant she has doubts. Look at the moving in episode. One bad night and Amy wanted to call the whole cohabitation experiment off and had to be manipulated into continuing #forscience.

I agree that Amy is impulsive (although maybe over-excitable is a better definition... she tends to get hyper about stuff before calming down to think and often times that "calming down to think" period comes across as falling from cloud nine for her), but I don't think we can say that she is happy to abandon things the instant she has doubts. Or at least not consistently enough to say that's a personality trait of hers. I mean, in the cohabitation thing she was ready to quit, but she's also often patient and resilient in the face of difficulties and she's had several of those moments in her relationship with Sheldon (not that I'm a fan of those moments where she's shown "putting up" with him in S6 or 7, but they're there...).

Either way, I don't think either of them is commitment-phobic, and reporters questioning Sheldon's motives at every turn just because he does things his own way and at his own pace irk me to no end. Nobody questioned whether Howard was ready to marry Bernie when they had barely been dating a year, for example, or Bernie's acceptance despite the entire episode being focused on the fact that she was thinking of dumping him at the very same time. Or whether Penny was ready to marry Leonard despite the fact that she suggested it right on the whims of a career crisis. But Sheldon, who canonically had a ring for 2 years, has been dating Amy for 7, tried to propose already once and was canonically stated to have been thinking about it in several episodes? Oh no. He has to be questioned. Because he's "different" and because he and Amy don't fit the norms of traditional relationships.

29 minutes ago, Jonny said:

Yeah that snippet does give me confidence that they aren't going to use some drama to derail perhaps even delay the engagement. If it's true that's what they wanted to portray and get across to the audience that he was the innocent one in all this then I think they absolutely nailed it. It's the same impression I got from all the scenes.

The only thing you can say he is perhaps a little bit guilty of is that he let her get that close in the first place (though to be fair she was less in your face and very sly and manipulative this time, maybe impossible for him to pick up on?). I suspect and he may never acknowledge this (but then again he could in perhaps a conversation with Amy in 11.1) that he feels a bit foolish that a) he didn't spot her intentions, Sheldon has had moments this season where he has got rather down that he hasn't spotted something/finds that frustrating e.g. emotion detector and b- that he didn't listen to his friends.

Even if that is a factor and there is perhaps some remorse or he feels a bit stupid that he let her get that close despite warnings it is in no way a strong enough argument or a story painted with great depth by the writers to stop the engagement.

Could Amy point out his shortcomings in that regard? I could perhaps see it, it would tie in with some of her concerns during the episode but I do expect her to be quite understanding. Most of her ire I suspect would be towards Ramona, I JUST HOPE there is no guilt here shown from Amy in dialogue. That she feels guilty she went away and something like this happened. Because in her line of work she is going to be away sometimes. She shouldn't be worried all the time that something is going to happen whilst she is away, that he cannot cope at all without her. Obviously Ramona was an unforeseen factor and completely out of her control.

ITA that I hope they don't have Amy regret leaving. But I think she/they know better than that. I mean, this is a lesson for Sheldon too because, like Penny said, he has no experience with that sneaky behavior and, on top of that, has difficulties reading people. He will learn to be more wary in the future. And it's kind of sad for him because he genuinely thought he was gaining a friend. Once it's all out in the open, Amy should/will understand that. And, again, Penny is his witness. 

[Jonny]

I forgot to add this to my post after I saw the episode:

What did everyone think of the Penny and Bernie exchange at the kitchen island? Not going to lie I laughed so much at Penny's comment about has Amy awakened the sexual creature in Sheldon and wondering if that means he could stray. Bernie's reaction was hilarious. I think Melissa's facial expression and sounds did it for me lol.

Usually I am critical of Shamy mocking, but that I can let it pass if done with humour and done well. That was one of those times when Shamy being a bit unusual or seen as a couple of weirdos can be funny. When done in the example above I have no problem with it.

Edited May 13, 2017 by Jonny

[koops]

I thought it was hilarious as well. I also took the disgust more along the lines of... you know, not wanting to think about your friends that way. There's been that kind of reaction before between other characters too, even recently when Bernie compared Howard to a sexy greyhound. So I didn't mind it.

Also, another moment that flies under the radar because the episode is so packed... but I found Sheldon telling Amy about the ladders and Amy enthusiastically nodding along to be hilarious and adorable too. 

[Capt. Hilts]

5 hours ago, spidergirl said:

I have always loved the determined side of Penny about things. And she is a shammy shipper since always too. Cant get over of Penny power in this scene! Amy has to know how her bestie did her best about protecting shamy. And so did Bernie.I sense a great girls talk moment somewhere in s11  

I, too, am a willing soldier in Penny's Army.

[mirs1]

25 minutes ago, Jonny said:

I forgot to add this to my post after I saw the episode:

What did everyone think of the Penny and Bernie exchange at the kitchen island? Not going to lie I laughed so much at Penny's comment about has Amy awakened the sexual creature in Sheldon and wondering if that means he could stray. Bernie's reaction was hilarious. I think Melissa's facial expression and sounds did it for me lol.

Usually I am critical of Shamy mocking, but that I can let it pass if done with humour and done well. That was one of those times when Shamy being a bit unusual or seen as a couple of weirdos can be funny. When done in the example above I have no problem with it.

It reminded me the shocking way Penny reacted to having caught Ramona making Sheldon a pedicure in The Nowinsky Theorem...Apart the famous "Holy crap on a cracker", she also said "the only way I could explain it would be in a therapist’s office with dolls", LOL!

[spidergirl]

37 minutes ago, Jonny said:

I forgot to add this to my post after I saw the episode:

What did everyone think of the Penny and Bernie exchange at the kitchen island? Not going to lie I laughed so much at Penny's comment about has Amy awakened the sexual creature in Sheldon and wondering if that means he could stray. Bernie's reaction was hilarious. I think Melissa's facial expression and sounds did it for me lol.

Usually I am critical of Shamy mocking, but that I can let it pass if done with humour and done well. That was one of those times when Shamy being a bit unusual or seen as a couple of weirdos can be funny. When done in the example above I have no problem with it.

Same here, I had no problem with that Bernie and Penny scene as it was nicely done humour speaking.  It reminded me the episode Amy spreads the rumor shamy had sex and Penny told Raj, lol!

I would say it is harmless  mocking

Ps: I deleted earlier post because I got a bit off the topic about your question.

Edited May 13, 2017 by spidergirl

[Capt. Hilts]

2 hours ago, wowbagger said:

yes, the 'commitment phobic' remark always puzzles me about Sheldon, the Man of Many Contracts. Sheldon takes commitments extremely seriously. More than most. That is precisely why he is so wary of taking on new ones. Amy is the opposite. She's impulsive. She hurtles onto new things without thinking them through and is happy to abandon them the instant she has doubts. Look at the moving in episode. One bad night and Amy wanted to call the whole cohabitation experiment off and had to be manipulated into continuing #forscience.

YES!  The contracts thing is totally about commitment.  

Speaking of which, this is one of my favorite RA scenes:

See it HERE

46 minutes ago, Jonny said:

I forgot to add this to my post after I saw the episode:

What did everyone think of the Penny and Bernie exchange at the kitchen island? Not going to lie I laughed so much at Penny's comment about has Amy awakened the sexual creature in Sheldon and wondering if that means he could stray. Bernie's reaction was hilarious. I think Melissa's facial expression and sounds did it for me lol.

Usually I am critical of Shamy mocking, but that I can let it pass if done with humour and done well. That was one of those times when Shamy being a bit unusual or seen as a couple of weirdos can be funny. When done in the example above I have no problem with it.

Everyone has mocked both Leonard and, especially, Howard.

Turnabout - fair play.

[wowbagger]

1 hour ago, koops said:

I agree that Amy is impulsive (although maybe over-excitable is a better definition... she tends to get hyper about stuff before calming down to think and often times that "calming down to think" period comes across as falling from cloud nine for her), but I don't think we can say that she is happy to abandon things the instant she has doubts. Or at least not consistently enough to say that's a personality trait of hers. I mean, in the cohabitation thing she was ready to quit, but she's also often patient and resilient in the face of difficulties and she's had several of those moments in her relationship with Sheldon (not that I'm a fan of those moments where she's shown "putting up" with him in S6 or 7, but they're there...).

oh yes, I would not call Amy a commitment phobe either! I meant really that she is likelier to not really think about what a situation means, and then go 'ohssshhhiiiit' when she hits the water, so to speak.

[Capt. Hilts]

5 minutes ago, wowbagger said:

oh yes, I would not call Amy a commitment phobe either! I meant really that she is likelier to not really think about what a situation means, and then go 'ohssshhhiiiit' when she hits the water, so to speak.

True dat.  But everyone suffers on that front in comparison to Sheldon.

[Die Zimtzicke]

5 hours ago, koops said:

Not that there was any doubt in my mind before, but it's nice to get official confirmation that the writers' minds are on our same wavelength. There's not going to be any stupid drama, with Sheldon trying to hide things from Amy and no question that he was anything but innocent in all this.

Not that all the fans will agree with them. Some won't even know he said this, but yes, if you know it then it confirms what the intent was. But there still may be some drama. Sheldon has to tell Amy the truth about what happened. How he didn't believe that was Ramona's intention, even when he was told, but that he was wrong and he's sorry for not listening and that he knows now for sure he wants no one else but her.

It reminds me of a story I once read about a woman whose boyfriend broke up with her, and her friends were fixing her up with other men. She kept telling them that it felt so weird to kiss someone else, and that she still missed her ex. I can see Sheldon saying that it felt totally weird to have someone else kiss him.

1 hour ago, Capt. Hilts said:

What did everyone think of the Penny and Bernie exchange at the kitchen island? Not going to lie I laughed so much at Penny's comment about has Amy awakened the sexual creature in Sheldon and wondering if that means he could stray. Bernie's reaction was hilarious. I think Melissa's facial expression and sounds did it for me lol.

YES! That was a great scene. Melissa's sense of comedic timing has been almost perfect this year.

[2L344]

4 hours ago, Jonny said:

What did everyone think of the Penny and Bernie exchange at the kitchen island? Not going to lie I laughed so much at Penny's comment about has Amy awakened the sexual creature in Sheldon and wondering if that means he could stray. Bernie's reaction was hilarious. I think Melissa's facial expression and sounds did it for me lol.

Loved it! Reminded me of Penny's reaction to Sheldon's "full pubis" comment once lol

Edited May 13, 2017 by 2L344

[Riley7]

I just saw the episode and I actually liked it. I was a little anxious about it at first, but the truth is it was funny and it contained the question many shippers have wanted Sheldon to ask for years so, job done for season 10, I suppose. E23 is still my favorite though, but if things go according to plan in the next season, 01/11 might just be the greatest Shamy episode ever. Here's hoping!

I just want to take this opportunity to thank all you lovely shippers who have made this season unforgettable. I sincerely hope you have a great hiatus (I won't be here as much, since mid-term exams are staring soon) and that you don't worry too much. Thank you to all who have provided spoilers and who take the time to write fanfics and create fan art.

Season 10 aka best Shamy season ever, would not have been the same without all of you. See you in the fall!

 

[spidergirl]

4 minutes ago, Riley7 said:

I just saw the episode and I actually liked it. I was a little anxious about it at first, but the truth is it was funny and it contained the question many shippers have wanted Sheldon to ask for years so, job done for season 10, I suppose. E23 is still my favorite though, but if things go according to plan in the next season, 01/11 might just be the greatest Shamy episode ever. Here's hoping!

I just want to take this opportunity to thank all you lovely shippers who have made this season unforgettable. I sincerely hope you have a great hiatus (I won't be here as much, since mid-term exams are staring soon) and that you don't worry too much. Thank you to all who have provided spoilers and who take the time to write fanfics and create fan art.

Season 10 aka best Shamy season ever, would not have been the same without all of you. See you in the fall!

 

Good luck for your mid-term exams, @Riley7. And it will be always a pleasure to know what you think about shamy everytime you will be able to be around

[koops]

Yeah, I'll be disappearing into hiatus-ness and Game of Thrones soon too, but man! What a way to go.  I hope you all have a great summer and I'll see you around Comic Con time (assuming they're going). 

[jenafan]

I struggle with finding spare time to be on the forum these days, but it has been a joy to read all the commentary from the S10 finale and to see old avatars make a reappearance.

It has taken two years for the events from the S8 finale to unfold as we watched the ring appear and disappear, get noteworthy mention, seemingly forgotten, and now hopefully it's grand finale out of it's velvet boxed enclosure onto Amy's finger.  

I got to thinking that perhaps, with Sheldon's eidetic memory and tendency to compare similar things and events, that perhaps Ramona's kiss triggered a memory action in which Sheldon recalled the events of his initial attempt to propose to Amy, where his efforts were halted by his witnessing her being kissed by her own admirer.

It is in this moment he remembers he has a ring.   With wide open shocked eyes, he is remembering, feeling betrayed by a friendly colleague and his own naiveity, and contemplating his next move, confident more than ever that Amy is his life and soul.

Sheldon becomes quite comfortable with status quo and sees no need to change what is working.  Things have been going so well with them living together and Amy being his girlfriend.  Even when Sheldon initially felt threatened about Amy leaving for Princeton and fearing he was going to lose her, he didn't come back to the apartment with the ring but a suitcase and a desire to show her physically how much she means to him.  He didn't see a need to put a ring on her finger to keep other smart, tall, and blonde scientists at bay. 

It isn't until Ramona crossed a line that Sheldon calmly stepped away from the situation with the realization that a change in his relationship status with Amy is not only necessary to put their relationship under "lock and key" but it is what he wants. 

Amy knows Sheldon.  Had she not known that Sheldon has had the ring and contemplated giving it to her before, I could see her asking questions.   However, for concern that she will wreck his resolve, I hope she will say yes and ask questions later.  In the end, I think it speaks volumes about Amy in that Sheldon had an opportunity in front of him but calmly fled the situation.  I think Amy will be proud of Sheldon, not angry.  Maybe deep down she will silently applaud the events that led Sheldon to her door while cursing Ramoma outwardly.

 

[rachelshamyfan]

Having seen the kiss and knowing what was going to happen it was still a shock but we know there was no kissing back from Sheldon 

 

Am totally ok with what happens  next, they won't be breaking up over this and it looks like it will be resolved quickly

 

I won't be around much during the hiatus. Got loads of wedding planning still do for my own wedding in September 

 

Enjoy the summer all

[spidergirl]

3 minutes ago, rachelshamyfan said:

Having seen the kiss and knowing what was going to happen it was still a shock but we know there was no kissing back from Sheldon 

 

Am totally ok with what happens  next, they won't be breaking up over this and it looks like it will be resolved quickly

 

I won't be around much during the hiatus. Got loads of wedding planning still do for my own wedding in September 

 

Enjoy the summer all

Congrats on your wedding, @rachelshamyfan. Looking foward to reading your thoughts on shamy everytime  you will be able to be online.

[Judith]

3 hours ago, koops said:

Yeah, I'll be disappearing into hiatus-ness and Game of Thrones soon too, but man! What a way to go.  I hope you all have a great summer and I'll see you around Comic Con time (assuming they're going). 

Hope to see you around more from now on

[jenafan]

I really liked Amy's reactions during her Skype sessions with Sheldon over the Ramona situation.  You could tell she was bothered by it.  She could tell Sheldon wasn't reading the cues.  

She could have given Sheldon a lecture.  She could have snapped back when Sheldon accused her of accepting an inappropriate call from Leonard while Ramona is sitting right there in their apartment alone with her man.  Rather than making herself the bad guy by putting herself between Ramona and Sheldon, she acted wisely in relying on their friends to assist with the situation.

Amy knows Sheldon is unaware.  She also knows he is lonely, and for her to outright tell him he can't have a "friend" while she is away would have her come across as jealous and not trusting Sheldon to be alone without her.  It would totally negate her efforts to convince him it was okay to let her go away.

In her wisdom, she interrupts Ramona's visit by telling Sheldon he is tired and needs to go to bed.  He trusts her guidance and proceeds with ending the evening.  In the mean time, the ever so awesome Penny and Bernadette do their thing to help intervene.

This is what knowing ones mate is about and what friends are for.   That is another reason why I don't think Amy will be angry or say no.  

I think it would be hilarious if Penny and Bernie Skype Amy in a panic over Sheldon gone missing, thinking he is off somewhere with Ramona.   Sheldon and Amy are in kahoots over some experiment to see how far they will go to rectify the situation, with the group somehow ending up in NJ where Shamy surprises them with their announcement.  It would be a nice way to incorporate a gang road trip to Princeton.

[RoRo]

My thoughts were that the gang discovers that Sheldon is missing and that Bernie & Penny go find Ramona to let her know they are on to her and what did she do or say to him (before calling Amy or his mom). Then Ramona tells them she made a pass at him and he left. And they get a skype from Amy.   Just my random thought...

[Die Zimtzicke]

2 hours ago, RoRo said:

My thoughts were that the gang discovers that Sheldon is missing and that Bernie & Penny go find Ramona to let her know they are on to her and what did she do or say to him (before calling Amy or his mom). Then Ramona tells them she made a pass at him and he left. And they get a skype from Amy.   Just my random thought...

What if the show opens with Sheldon missing, and Ramona has fled as well, and the gang doesn't know where either of them went. That could be handled for most of the ep and it gives a lot of possibilities for the other characters to react to Sheldon's disappearance. Then at the end of the ep we could get Amy's answer.

[joyceraye]

Question for those in the audience, and/or the unspoiled : When you saw Sheldon's plane taking off, where did you think he was going ? When it was landing in the dark, did you guess it was New Jersey or did you wonder if it was Texas ?

[Ranger Rosa]

I just have to say that, I had dropped the towel with the show, and despites the funny stuff I was only watching it sometimes, but when I saw THAT PICTURE I didn't freaked out. I only freaked out when I saw the entire episode.

Apperantly, I am a drama-like person, because it all made me (all of us, for sure) so excited to know what comes next, but at the same time I'm like "oh no, this is like 2015 hiatus and season 8 all over again!" (or was it season 9 and 2016? I don't remember quite right). I guess everybody remembers how tough and overwhelming it was. Every episode with a shattered hope (can you feel the drama through the screen that you're looking at? lol)

What I'm trying to say is: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[spidergirl]

22 hours ago, koops said:

Yeah, I'll be disappearing into hiatus-ness and Game of Thrones soon too, but man! What a way to go.  I hope you all have a great summer and I'll see you around Comic Con time (assuming they're going). 

Have a great summer too, @koops!  I am myself a huge Game of Thrones fan

Looking foward to reading your shamy thoughts as soon as you could be back!

Edited May 14, 2017 by spidergirl