Ship Zone [Spoilers] Shamy: Season 10

[Jonny]

2 minutes ago, BigBangEnthusiast said:

I was unspoiled for most of the season. When I watched the finale, I felt numb when it ended. I was upset by the whole Ramona involvement. The worst was that horrible kiss. I write fanfiction, and of all the possible scenarios I could have dreamed of for a catalyst to a proposal, never in a million years would this have even crossed my mind.

When I re-watched the episode, I felt better about the situation. I love that Sheldon got on a plane and went to Amy. It was very romantic.

I totally can understand that.

Happy to hear after another viewing you feel better about it. 

[April]

Alright Shamies, let's do this:

Vote for your Top 10 Favourite Season 10 Shamy Moments!!

How?

• Send me a message with the header "Shamy S10 Top 10".
• Include your 10 favourite moments of the season.
• Number them with #1 being your most favourite moment.

What's the deadline?

• Send me your lists until Saturday, May, 27th. That gives you about 12 days to decide!

What'll happen then?

• I'll assign points according to your lists (#1 = 10 points, #2 = 9 points, etc.) and tally them up.
• I'll start posting the resulting Top 10 on Monday, May, 29th.
• I'm probably not around on the first June weekend so you'll get #10 - #6 from Monday to Friday that week and the final #5-#1 the following week.
• A note on choosing moments: S10 has been massive when it comes to great Shamy moments so whenever possible I'll group moments that belong to the same scene together to avoid a split of votes. For example: 10x19 "Shamy arm in arm in front of the whiteboard" and "Shamy playfully throw food at each other to catch with their mouths" would simply be "Shamy are working happy together".

I have another question!

• Just ask! :D

[spidergirl]

5 minutes ago, April said:

Alright Shamies, let's do this:

Vote for your Top 10 Favourite Season 10 Shamy Moments!!

How?

• Send me a message with the header "Shamy S10 Top 10".
• Include your 10 favourite moments of the season.
• Number them with #1 being your most favourite moment.

What's the deadline?

• Send me your lists until Saturday, May, 27th. That gives you about 12 days to decide!

What'll happen then?

• I'll assign points according to your lists (#1 = 10 points, #2 = 9 points, etc.) and tally them up.
• I'll start posting the resulting Top 10 on Monday, May, 29th.
• I'm probably not around on the first June weekend so you'll get #10 - #6 from Monday to Friday that week and the final #5-#1 the following week.
• A note on choosing moments: S10 has been massive when it comes to great Shamy moments so whenever possible I'll group moments that belong to the same scene together to avoid a split of votes. For example: 10x19 "Shamy arm in arm in front of the whiteboard" and "Shamy playfully throw food at each other to catch with their mouths" would simply be "Shamy are working happy together".

I have another question!

• Just ask! :D

This is going to be really fun! Thanks for be doing this!

 

[Sah]

My initial thoughts...

1. Sheldon flies across country to propose to Amy

2. Breaking the birthday booty extravaganza rule (hoping for good)

3. Amy's Train fantasy

4. Buridan's donkey

5. Sheldon' s birthday gift to Amy

6. Amy calling Sheldon babe

7. Sheldon and Amy's grammar skype session 

8. Sheldon and Amy first night sharing a bed

9. Sheldon flirting with Amy in the Comic Con conundrum 

10. Sheldon offering to show Amy how Godzilla showers

Edited May 16, 2017 by Sah
#6 was wrong ;)

[Soopysue]

Thanks so much for doing this@april ! I'm going to find this so hard lol - this will require lots of rewatching - fun !!!!! , now I know how I'll be spending my Friday off ! I'm excited [emoji16]


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[dana1010]

9 hours ago, BigBangEnthusiast said:

I was unspoiled for most of the season. When I watched the finale, I felt numb when it ended. I was upset by the whole Ramona involvement. The worst was that horrible kiss. I write fanfiction, and of all the possible scenarios I could have dreamed of for a catalyst to a proposal, never in a million years would this have even crossed my mind.

When I re-watched the episode, I felt better about the situation. I love that Sheldon got on a plane and went to Amy. It was very romantic.

This was literally me as well. 

[littleknee]

10 hours ago, BigBangEnthusiast said:

I was unspoiled for most of the season. When I watched the finale, I felt numb when it ended. I was upset by the whole Ramona involvement. The worst was that horrible kiss. I write fanfiction, and of all the possible scenarios I could have dreamed of for a catalyst to a proposal, never in a million years would this have even crossed my mind.

When I re-watched the episode, I felt better about the situation. I love that Sheldon got on a plane and went to Amy. It was very romantic.

I too was shocked by the finale, and I was spoiled. There’s something I find unsettling about it even a few days later. I’ve watched just the final plane ride and proposal over, but I don’t think I’ll watch the rest of the episode again. Watching Amy’s expression over Skype looking at her boyfriend chumming up with another woman in their apartment made me feel quite bad for her. It’s hard to watch jealous insecure Amy particularly when it’s coupled with jokes in the episode of Ramona being more attractive. There’s something that stings about it. Also, that ketchup line was super hilarious on its own, but it seems to belie a lack of trust in Sheldon and a somewhat odd view of his sexuality.

There’s something about the innocence of Sheldon & Amy’s relationship that I really respond to, so this felt a little bit like a gut punch and a violation of that (not on Sheldon’s part of course, but it was still unsettling to watch). But I guess that was the point. I’m sure they’ll work it out, but it leaves more questions for me than it answers. I think how both Sheldon and Amy respond in the first episode of season 11 will be very telling, and I hope will make me feel much better about the situation.

As a piece of writing, it was a really good episode. It was definitely a writing risk, and shocking and created a good cliffhanger and was very funny and a great ensemble episode. They can also certainly use this to explore elements of Shamy’s relationship next season. I think there are some trust (on both sides) and independence issues that they need to work out, and I hope the writers will explore that next season. It definitely sets up new plots and relationship dynamics, which will be great for the show. But still, from this shipper’s perspective, it was hard to watch.

Molaro’s comments were great to read about Sheldon being an innocent bystander, and I certainly can read that in the episode. I did see this quote from Jim in a USA Today article and wonder what folks make of it:  “The way it was instigated through this woman who came back into his life, there’s something very interesting that he was motivated by that. He didn’t need a reminder that he missed Amy. … Both of us wondered if he wasn’t trying to squash some weird feeling that he was uncomfortable with.” Also, both Mayim & Jim have called his proposal “complicated,” in bts interviews. I think Jim is very astute about his character, and I’m not sure exactly what he means here.

Anyway, not to be a downer. There were indeed lots of things I liked about the episode, and other folks' mostly positive opinions make me feel better about it as a whole. I just thought I’d share some thoughts with this kindhearted group 

[spidergirl]

2 hours ago, Soopysue said:

Thanks so much for doing this@april ! I'm going to find this so hard lol - this will require lots of rewatching - fun !!!!! , now I know how I'll be spending my Friday off ! I'm excited


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Me too! I guess my s7 rewatch may wait for a while because a s10 rewatch has priority now! It won't be easy to keep only 10 favourite shamy moments but I am a fan in a misson and I will accomplish that!

 

[mirs1]

13 hours ago, BigBangEnthusiast said:

I was unspoiled for most of the season. When I watched the finale, I felt numb when it ended. I was upset by the whole Ramona involvement. The worst was that horrible kiss. I write fanfiction, and of all the possible scenarios I could have dreamed of for a catalyst to a proposal, never in a million years would this have even crossed my mind.

When I re-watched the episode, I felt better about the situation. I love that Sheldon got on a plane and went to Amy. It was very romantic.

 

3 hours ago, dana1010 said:

This was literally me as well. 

Probably for me the exact contrary happened...when I watched the episode for the first time, being spoiled, I really wanted to see the tag and the actual proposal, because that was the highlight of the episode to me. Then I re-watched the episode a second time (being English not my first language I usually watch episodes  twice in a row to get everything) and I felt more uncomfortable with the kiss and Ramona. Anyway, as I said, the scene leading to and the actual proposal were very powerful and well executed, so all things considered, even if it wasn't the way I figured out either, I'm ok with it and I'm so curious as what happens next!

[April]

Yes, the kiss is uncomfortable to watch but I say that this is exactly the reaction they'd want here. You're not supposed to think that Sheldon is a lucky guy for having this woman throw herself at him. You want the audience to want him get out of there and as far away from her as possible ASAP - and this is exactly what you get then. So it's "Mission: Accomplished!" for me here. I don't mind a bit of drama after all.

Edited May 16, 2017 by April

[Kathy2611]

The way I look at it (the Ramona thing) is it's Amy's "slap in the face" to get her to see and realize that yes, there are women out there who will be more than glad to take her place.  She never got that during or immediately after the break up and reconciliation like Sheldon did.  He got to literally see that other guys were more than willing to come knocking on her door.  Now she knows too.

I think there will be a yes but I think what Molaro and the others are figuring out is how will she say yes?  Will it be immediate, will she faint, will she have a panic attack, will she start asking questions first or later?   The list goes on.  

But in the end, I think there will be a yes, Ramona won't be mentioned or seen again (maybe in the premiere to finish out the story.  But not after that mainly because I think Riki has other projects going on with the actress that plays Lucy.  Fun fact...."Lucy" & "Ramona" [the actresses that play them] are the ones who wrote the song Howard sings to Bernie when she was quarantined!  How cool is that?!) and things will be great for Shamy.

[spidergirl]

16 minutes ago, Kathy2611 said:

The way I look at it (the Ramona thing) is it's Amy's "slap in the face" to get her to see and realize that yes, there are women out there who will be more than glad to take her place.  She never got that during or immediately after the break up and reconciliation like Sheldon did.  He got to literally see that other guys were more than willing to come knocking on her door.  Now she knows too.

I think there will be a yes but I think what Molaro and the others are figuring out is how will she say yes?  Will it be immediate, will she faint, will she have a panic attack, will she start asking questions first or later?   The list goes on.  

But in the end, I think there will be a yes, Ramona won't be mentioned or seen again (maybe in the premiere to finish out the story.  But not after that mainly because I think Riki has other projects going on with the actress that plays Lucy.  Fun fact...."Lucy" & "Ramona" [the actresses that play them] are the ones who wrote the song Howard sings to Bernie when she was quarantined!  How cool is that?!) and things will be great for Shamy.

About the bold part, it is a very interisting way to see Ramona thing. I had not thought about it by that perspective but I think it could make sense as the writers might have been doing a point about what Amy said a couple of times in earlier seasons  that she was Sheldon's best shot. As long as shamy get 100% good about what happened between Ramona and Sheldon, even it might mean a 2 minutes of drama in premiere as they might talk about it, I will be fine at end. Real relationships have bends on the road and as long the couple love each other and be honest about things, everything will be fine. Shamy is all of love and honesty, they will be fine and make us cheering like mad as Amy says her yes to Sheldon’s proposal.

Edited May 16, 2017 by spidergirl

[Capt. Hilts]

1 hour ago, April said:

Yes, the kiss is uncomfortable to watch but I say that this is exactly the reaction they'd want here. You're not supposed to think that Sheldon is a lucky guy for having this woman throw herself at him. You want the audience to want him get out of there and as far away from her as possible ASAP - and this is exactly what you get then. So it's "Mission: Accomplished!" for me here. I don't mind a bit of drama after all.

He stepped away from the situation, just as he instructed her to do.

All the way to NJ.

[snapepans]

About this Ramona kissing thing, I want to say:

To me, the kiss was necessary, because in the whole episode, except for the kiss, Ramona was really like a friend, or "a friendly colleague" or "a playdate" as Sheldon put it. So in order to "sell this idea as in Ramona was pursuing Sheldon", Ramona had to kiss Sheldon, so Sheldon could finally realise that:" Oh, Penny was right, Ramona does indeed want to seek a romantic relationship with me."

And thanks to Jim's wonderful performance, you know, the stiff posture, the shocking look, the big round eye, this kiss really was far from romantic. And, I'm not gonna lie, I really enjoy the "oh, noooooooo""oh, God" from the studio audience. So, overall, the kiss didn't bother me that much.

About the feelings after watching 1024, I want to say:

Obviously, I don't like the whole Ramona drama. I was spoiled, the minute after I learned that Ramona was interested in Sheldon romantically, I was so disappointed, because I really hoped she was interested in Sheldon professionally, like she was the one who "robbed" the project from the three guys, you know, but sadly, that didn't happen.

And then, after reading the TR of 1024, I learned there was a proposal, I was really surprised, because I thought they would drag the proposal out until 1124, at least. Then, I learned there was a kiss...yeah, NOT happy, at all. So, I had ZERO expectation about 1024. 

But, after watching 1024, I was surprised, again. Because despite the Ramona plot, this episode was really funny, I had several LOL moments, I can't say this about some episodes in Season 10. And, Ramona's plot did NOT bother me, the kiss was NOT romantic at all, and, the proposal itself, was very romantic. Considering Sheldon's dislike about taking a Taxi, about taking a plane, considering Sheldon's determined yet relaxed look on the whole way to NJ...Like @mirs1 said, " the actual proposal was very powerful and well executed", yes, totally agree with you.

So, all in all, I have mixed feelings indeed, but, I'm satisfied about most of it.

[camelliayao]

2 hours ago, Kathy2611 said:

The way I look at it (the Ramona thing) is it's Amy's "slap in the face" to get her to see and realize that yes, there are women out there who will be more than glad to take her place.  She never got that during or immediately after the break up and reconciliation like Sheldon did.  He got to literally see that other guys were more than willing to come knocking on her door.  Now she knows too.

 

If that's the case, she wouldn't have said to the girls over skype "I gave you one job!" That line obviously implies Amy expected situations like Ramona before she left. Thus she asked the girls to keep an eye on Sheldon.

Amy's not dumb. She knows Sheldon is attractive and there are women who will fall for him despite his quirks. Back in season 6, Amy was very insecure when Alex first showed up. She even marked territory in Sheldon's office even though Alex had zero interest in Sheldon. I don't see how one throwaway line in season 9 suddenly turns Amy into someone who's so ignorant that she thinks there won't be anyone else who has interest in Sheldon. 

Plus she knew Sheldon tried to move on with others during their break up. In fact she almosted cried in the hallway when Sheldon told her that. Sure Sheldon didn't actually succeed. But I think that's enough lesson for Amy to learn that Sheldon can too find others to take her place. I don't understand why two years later she still need a lesson for that.

Edited May 16, 2017 by camelliayao

[Kathy2611]

9 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

If that's the case, she wouldn't have said to the girls over skype "I gave you one job!" That line obviously implies Amy expected situations like Ramona before she left. Thus she must have asked the girls to keep an eye on Sheldon or something like this.

Amy's not dumb. She knows Sheldon is attractive and there are women who will fall for him despite his quirks. Back in season 6, Amy was very insecure when Alex first showed up. She even marked territory in Sheldon's office even though Alex had zero interest in Sheldon. I don't see how one throwaway line in season 9 suddenly turns Amy into someone who's so ignorant that she thinks there won't be anyone else who has interest in Sheldon. 

Yes I agree but until Ramona (I don't count Alex since there was never a threat there), there was never a true threat that she was aware of.  Don't know if she was ever aware of Vanessa (the blond H & R tried to set him up with during the break up).

[camelliayao]

58 minutes ago, Kathy2611 said:

Yes I agree but until Ramona (I don't count Alex since there was never a threat there), there was never a true threat that she was aware of.  Don't know if she was ever aware of Vanessa (the blond H & R tried to set him up with during the break up).

If the writers really want to use Ramona to teach Amy a lesson, they would've let her see the kiss. They would've made the kissing scene as serious as the one in 907. On the contrary, the overall atmosphere in 1024 is and light and comedic. Amy worries for nothing, Sheldon being clueless, the gang showing support for Shamy, etc. Nothing ugly or nasty. Jealous Amy in this episode was hilarious rather than desperate.

[April]

Personally, I can kinda sorta see the idea of Amy getting a reminder that she's not the only woman interested in Sheldon. It's not something that I'd find to be a particularly necessary development cause, lord knows, the poor girl has enough insecurities and the dialogue in the episode is, as @camelliayao pointed out, already telling me that Amy feared some woman would swoop in to steal her man away or something. Then again, I'm also one of those people you never really gave a fuck about that "I'm his best shot" line cause I always took it as her just venting and kinda overselling herself to Sheldon's meemaw in the heat of the moment. I never got the impression that Amy seriously thought that no one else would be interested in Sheldon especially when it comes to women in academics where his brilliant mind certainly would be appreciated the most. (Hence her instant jealousy towards Alex.) Her worries have always been more about Sheldon himself being a flight risk and ditching her for someone/something better, at least pre-breakup.

I think with where they are now, after all the goodness in S10, they are the most secure they've ever been about their relationship. Sure, Ramona is an external threat that tests their bond - but not because Sheldon is actually tempted by her. The question is rather how far will Ramona go and can she trick Sheldon into doing something he'll regret later? And I feel that this is what's spooking Amy cause she knows how naive he can be and how easily people can take advantage of him cause he has such difficulties with social situations. If it weren't for that particular weakness of his I can imagine her being a lot more relaxed about the situation.

In the end of course the conflict evidently only serves to strengthen their relationship by letting them enter a new stage with the engagement. It speaks for the level of commitment they already have for each other and are now willing to make official. Obviously, I'm assuming here Amy will say "Yes." lol

[Capt. Hilts]

12 minutes ago, April said:

 Then again, I'm also one of those people you never really gave a fuck about that "I'm his best shot" line cause I always took it as her just venting and kinda overselling herself to Sheldon's meemaw in the heat of the moment. I never got the impression that Amy seriously thought that no one else would be interested in Sheldon especially when it comes to women in academics where his brilliant mind certainly would be appreciated the most. (Hence her instant jealousy towards Alex.) Her worries have always been more about Sheldon himself being a flight risk and ditching her for someone/something better, at least pre-breakup.

Just like Sheldon saying that he didn't see anyone lining up to invade Czechoslovakia's southern borders, when he knew that not to be true.

[April]

2 minutes ago, Capt. Hilts said:

Just like Sheldon saying that he didn't see anyone lining up to invade Czechoslovakia's southern borders, when he knew that not to be true.

Ehhh, it wasn't the first time he suggested something like that so I'm less willing to give him a pass here. I always saw it as a problem with his whole attitude towards their relationship at the time. He saw himself as the big catch and Amy should be happy with the scraps he gave her cause no one else would put up with her nonsense. During the breakup arc that attitude was thoroughly broken down and he came out of it with a new sense of humility and appreciation for Amy, both realising that he wasn't as great a boyfriend he thought he was and complimenting Amy while musing that it's no wonder men are flocking towards her. That is a 180 from his earlier attitude and ever since he's trying to be the boyfriend he can be. Sure, nobody is perfect so they'll always have issues to work on but everything has improved so so much since that breakup.

[Capt. Hilts]

7 minutes ago, April said:

Ehhh, it wasn't the first time he suggested something like that so I'm less willing to give him a pass here. I always saw it as a problem with his whole attitude towards their relationship at the time. He saw himself as the big catch and Amy should be happy with the scraps he gave her cause no one else would put up with her nonsense. During the breakup arc that attitude was thoroughly broken down and he came out of it with a new sense of humility and appreciation for Amy, both realising that he wasn't as great a boyfriend he thought he was and complimenting Amy while musing that it's no wonder men are flocking towards her. That is a 180 from his earlier attitude and ever since he's trying to be the boyfriend he can be. Sure, nobody is perfect so they'll always have issues to work on but everything has improved so so much since that breakup.

I agree.   Was the Czechoslovakia thing before or after he'd seen her with other men?

I see so many of the programs out of sequence on syndicated repeats I don't trust my judgement and defer to those who know the show better than I.

[spidergirl]

Surely Amy doesnt need to take a lesson about how granted Sheldon is for her, it would imo be  a bit ridiculous at the level of commitment they have to each other by now.

Amy has been feeling insecurity enough about Sheldon being alone and had Ramona around him as she knows how manipulative some women can be and Sheldon is not the best reading emotions/intentions from others. I feel like all this Ramona thing worked to writers as not a reminder of any shamy relationship pendent issue  but as something that can happen to a couple as they have been really doing shamy relationship this season looking  the most real as possible. Everything is all right and someone from the past of one of them came up and try to make damage. We know Sheldon did not anything wrong, Amy trusts on Sheldon but it doesn't make her to avoid the feeling of insecurity for someone on her absense to be around her boyfriend. Although I felt that kiss was unnecessary, it might make a very interisting talk to our couple about jealousy and how they are open to tell anything to each other. Amy has shown is from jealous type before and I can see Ramona thing after all could have gave a bit of comedy and heartfelt tone for shamy interaction after Sheldon popped the big question. The 11.01 might hold a very serious tone for Sheldon get the Amy's answer or it might hold a very light way as Shamy make clear all things that happened since Amy went to Princeton and suddenly we see both into a passionate kiss who seal the bigest commitment  that ring brings for both. I am positive that it would work out fine for our couple. After all they had not fears or doubts about how much they want to get to a marriage. Ramona was only for shake our hearts a bit and to put we in edge of our seats until September for Amy's  answer.

Edited May 16, 2017 by spidergirl

[April]

6 hours ago, Capt. Hilts said:

I agree.   Was the Czechoslovakia thing before or after he'd seen her with other men?

I see so many of the programs out of sequence on syndicated repeats I don't trust my judgement and defer to those who know the show better than I.

It was before. You also had similar moments in earlier seasons where he was taking her for granted because he thought he was so great or literally told her no one else would put up with her. The episode before the FwF one was when they broke up cause he suggested she'd better make up her mind about this "break" cause he'd be her only chance of ever having children cause she was getting old. So yeah, that was really Sheldon at "peak asshole" here. lol

After that we got him musing about Amy marrying someone better than him, he saw men like Kripke taking an interest in her the moment they found out she was single, then of course he saw her with Dave, and later on the way to their date at the aquarium he asked her about her dating (and seemed relieved she didn't just jump into bed with any of them) - which was also the episode where he finally acknowledged that many men are interested in her and rightfully so! I think that was some very well handled character growth here.

Edited May 16, 2017 by April

[Capt. Hilts]

3 minutes ago, April said:

It was before. You also had similar moments in earlier seasons where he was taking her for granted because he thought he was so great or literally told her no one else would put up with her. The episode before the FwF one was when they broke up cause he suggested she'd better make up her mind about this "break" cause he'd be her only chance of ever having children cause she was getting old. So yeah, that was really Sheldon at "peak asshole" here. lol

Yeah.  He's a narcissist. 

[April]

4 minutes ago, Capt. Hilts said:

Yeah.  He's a narcissist. 

To be fair, he's been working on it since then. That heartbreak definitely taught him a lesson here and so far it stuck with great results.

Exhibit A: Season 10. ;D