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43 minutes ago, Jonny83 said:

There has always been a fear with the the writers about how much you change the characters as they grow and have new experiences and how quickly they implement that change. I can understand that fear as this is a highly successful show and tinkering it can potentially lead to problems, but I think they could speed up the Shamy quite a bit now after some momentous milestones have been reached and the fan-base would be fine with that.

It really will be interesting to see how they handle this once we get news about S11 and beyond. There are rumours about negotiations for another multi-year deal happening so assuming they can work something out we'll be looking at the prospect of another 3-4 years. What will they do with the next big milestones? Do a few more guaranteed years cause them to delay certain developments? Or do they take the plunge regardless and concentrate on the new scenarios that would arise from the changes?

My personal preference would be to start with the living arrangements in S10. After the wedding re-do it would make sense for Lenny to finally take the next step in their relationship and move out. If the writers don't want the move to happen too sudden there are ways to drag it out so that it's not a thing that happens between episodes. Leonard has a ton of stuff that would hardly fit into Penny's apartment so there's definitely a story there about how they deal with that. Will they put something in storage? Will some stuff stay in 4A? There's also the possibility of renovating Penny's apartment and change some of the furniture to add storage for Leonard's stuff (like proper book shelves or whatever). I'd find it hilarious if as a result both 4A and 4B would be a bit chaotic for a few episodes which would probably drive Sheldon mad and could lead to that cute scenario where he hides out at Amy's place for a while.

Anyway, if they did something like that it would a believable way to delay the inevitable for a bit. As long as the move/renovation is going on you'd both have the opportunity to have Sheldon live alone for some time while also having a plausible reason for Amy not to move in immediately. Plus, you can have a few "experimental" episodes that play with the prospect of Shamy living together like spleepovers or have them muse about their future together or something like that. You could easily fill half a season with that kind of subplot.

Either way though I think once the living arrangements are tackled everything else will fall into place for Shamy. And then things could go at whatever pace the rest of the episodes allow. If the show ends with S10 they could wrap it up relatively quick cause living together/engagement/marriage are all falling into that same bundle of commitment and wanting to share your life with another person so the writers can tie this up in one big story arc leading to a big Shamy finale towards the end of the show. Alternatively if S10 already deals with the living together part and have Shamy make that step then I wouldn't have a problem waiting for a Shamy engagement/marriage a season or two longer if they get to do a few more seasons. It would be more of a pro forma thing then but the writers could still frame it as some ~very special event~ episodes in a hypothetical S11/12 respectively.

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10 minutes ago, April said:

Do a few more guaranteed years cause them to delay certain developments? Or do they take the plunge regardless and concentrate on the new scenarios that would arise from the changes?

In Friends, Chandler and Monica (and Phoebe and Mike) got married, well before the end of the show.

In Frasier, Niles and Daphne got married (and Roz had a baby), well before the end of the show.

Likewise, Jean and Lionel (and Rocky and Madge) in As Time Goes By.

I see no reason, why Shamy have to wait, until the end (or even near the end) of the show, to live together and/or get married.

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1 hour ago, April said:

Either way though I think once the living arrangements are tackled everything else will fall into place for Shamy. And then things could go at whatever pace the rest of the episodes allow. If the show ends with S10 they could wrap it up relatively quick cause living together/engagement/marriage are all falling into that same bundle of commitment and wanting to share your life with another person so the writers can tie this up in one big story arc leading to a big Shamy finale towards the end of the show. Alternatively if S10 already deals with the living together part and have Shamy make that step then I wouldn't have a problem waiting for a Shamy engagement/marriage a season or two longer if they get to do a few more seasons. It would be more of a pro forma thing then but the writers could still frame it as some ~very special event~ episodes in a hypothetical S11/12 respectively.

I was wondering what the actual "order" for the milestones will be...From my personal PoV, there is no particular difference, in a committed relationship as Shamy's one is, between living together and marriage, so I'd agree with you that at some point a proper wedding is just a pro-forma, which could be delayed to later seasons, whether the living arrangements, which are the most disturbing thing about the whole show should be fixed ASAP. I don't know if the same can be said for Sheldon, anyway. He is an old fashioned guy who, albeit an atheist himself, has been raised in a Christian household, in which I assume cohabiting outside the wed-lock isn't seen as a "good" thing. Amy has always been open to live with Sheldon, so I think she has no particular objections to that....but her mother seems also a very old-fashioned woman, and we have learnt that Amy is kind of scared of her. So, will they live together before they get engaged\married? I think this is independent from Lenny leaving 4A; as you said, I don't expect a change in the LA to happen overnight; it might take some time, renovating, etc, before Lenny leave. After that, they could have a sort of "intermediate" situation, which would not change the format too much, with Lenny in 4B, but hanging out in 4A all time, and Sheldon in 4A alone, but with Amy having sleepovers  for a trial period.  Then they can have the engagement and the wedding and Amy moves in permanently during further seasons. Very curious how the writers are going to handle the whole situation...

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IMO they will have Shamy engaged before they sort out living arrangements . I know we all want LA to be addressed now - believe me I do - but I think it's easier writing to have them still with LA arrangements they way they are and have Amy sleep over to " test the waters " etc , I only think this due to Molaros continual panic over changing the " DNA" of the show . 

I have to be honest here that I really really want them engaged - I like closure , just like Sheldon !!! . I'd be happy for wedding to take a while but engagement I'd like !! 

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7 minutes ago, Soopysue said:

IMO they will have Shamy engaged before they sort out living arrangements . I know we all want LA to be addressed now - believe me I do - but I think it's easier writing to have them still with LA arrangements they way they are and have Amy sleep over to " test the waters " etc , I only think this due to Molaros continual panic over changing the " DNA" of the show . 

I have to be honest here that I really really want them engaged - I like closure , just like Sheldon !!! . I'd be happy for wedding to take a while but engagement I'd like !! 

I hear you Soopysue...that ring floating around bothers me somehow, too! It's not even that I'm concerned with Amy already knowing about it, since I trust that the writers get the engagement right, as they, IMO, handled the other milestones so well!  It's just that I need closure, too!

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Back to add .....

my wish list for the next season or so is :-

1- Shamy engagement.

2- casual Shamy touching increased

3- Shamy in bed - even just waking up or spooning in PJ's doesn't have to be full blown sexy time !!

4- Another kiss /make out , in fact lots please !!!!! Long overdue :) 

5- Horny Sheldon ( huge comedy potential )

6- living arrangements 

7- more of Sheldon and Penny not getting on quiet as much , but more like the old days like you guys were suggesting , not so " on the same page " 

8- domesticated Shamy working together in a cute way side by side

9- science Shamy working on something together 

10- in the future , Shamy wedding , Nobel prizes and pregnant Amy !! 

etc etc , feel free to add yours on everyone .....

when you write them out, added in with all the rest of the cast, they have LOADS to do still........

Me again !!! Just noticed tvline.com have just put up there season 10 TBBT wish list - makes good reading !!! :) 

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11 minutes ago, Soopysue said:

Back to add .....

my wish list for the next season or so is :-

1- Shamy engagement.

2- casual Shamy touching increased

3- Shamy in bed - even just waking up or spooning in PJ's doesn't have to be full blown sexy time !!

4- Another kiss /make out , in fact lots please !!!!! Long overdue :) 

5- Horny Sheldon ( huge comedy potential )

6- living arrangements 

7- more of Sheldon and Penny not getting on quiet as much , but more like the old days like you guys were suggesting , not so " on the same page " 

8- domesticated Shamy working together in a cute way side by side

9- science Shamy working on something together 

10- in the future , Shamy wedding , Nobel prizes and pregnant Amy !! 

etc etc , feel free to add yours on everyone .....

when you write them out, added in with all the rest of the cast, they have LOADS to do still........

Me again !!! Just noticed tvline.com have just put up there season 10 TBBT wish list - makes good reading !!! :) 

I'll add an episode where they fight but this time Amy is clearly the one who is wrong and Sheldon the "reasonable" one and\or an episode where Amy is facing some personal and\or professional problem and Sheldon gives her some moral support. No major angst, mind you, but in a couple or in life in general sometimes some bumps in the road are possible. Also, I would like to see Amy in her lab, doing her own job, in a (even little) plot completely devoted to her as a scientist.

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2 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

I'll add an episode where they fight but this time Amy is clearly the one who is wrong and Sheldon the "reasonable" one and\or an episode where Amy is facing some personal and\or professional problem and Sheldon gives her some moral support. No major angst, mind you, but in a couple or in life in general sometimes some bumps in the road are possible. Also, I would like to see Amy in her lab, doing her own job, in a (even little) plot completely devoted to her as a scientist.

Oooh yes , this is good !!!

17 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

I hear you Soopysue...that ring floating around bothers me somehow, too! It's not even that I'm concerned with Amy already knowing about it, since I trust that the writers get the engagement right, as they, IMO, handled the other milestones so well!  It's just that I need closure, too!

Yes exactly !!! So glad it's not just me ! 

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46 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

I was wondering what the actual "order" for the milestones will be...From my personal PoV, there is no particular difference, in a committed relationship as Shamy's one is, between living together and marriage, so I'd agree with you that at some point a proper engagement\wedding is just a pro-forma, which could be delayed to later seasons, whether the living arrangements, which are the most disturbing thing about the whole show should be fixed ASAP.

Exactly. I'd put LAs first because they're also linked to Lenny and I feel the longer they're chained to 4A for no good reason it'll drag down their storyline as well. If that weren't the case I'd be fine with whatever order the writers would want to go forward with Shamy but since this part is connected to other characters I feel they should make it a priority.

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I don't know if the same can be said for Sheldon, anyway. He is an old fashioned guy who, albeit an atheist himself, has been raised in a Christian household, in which I assume cohabiting outside the wed-lock isn't seen as a "good" thing. Amy has always been open to live with Sheldon, so I think she has no particular objections to that....but her mother seems also a very old-fashioned woman, and we have learnt that Amy is kind of scared of her. So, will they live together before they get engaged\married?

IDK why but a part of me would be highly amused if of all the couples Shamy would end up being the one "living in sin" for a while. LOL

Kidding aside though, personally I don't really subscribe to the idea that Sheldon or Amy would care about the religious feelings of their mothers. Mary has always been Sheldon's kryptonite, sure, but I don't think she'd put up a protest here. At worst I can see her pressuring him to give Amy the ring. Or Sheldon being a bit of an old fashioned hippie at times thinks of that himself and the "will you marry me/move in with me?" will be one big event.

The engagement really is such a wild card as it could come into play at any moment.

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Just the thought of Sheldon saying the words " Amy,will you marry me? " gives me goosebumps!! :-)

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32 minutes ago, amethyst said:

Just the thought of Sheldon saying the words " Amy,will you marry me? " gives me goosebumps!! :-)

Same!

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Thinking of which... that reminds me of a thing I found a while ago: Tim Pratt's "Scientific Romance" The whole thing is gold but the last bit is sooo Shamy OMG:

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If the Singularity comes
and we upload our minds into a vast
computer simulation of near-infinite
complexity and perfect resolution,
and become capable of experiencing any
fantasy, exploring worlds bound only
by our enhanced imaginations,
I’d still spend at least 10^21 processing
cycles a month just sitting
on a virtual couch with you,
watching virtual TV,
eating virtual fajitas,
holding virtual hands,
and wishing
for the real thing.

<3

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In terms of milestones I would think that the engagement will come first because they won't have to change the living situation completely perhaps until they get married. We don't know how long they would be engaged for, if there is more than one season left it's perfectly plausible that they could be engaged for at least a season. Once the engagement is out there I think the writers could have a lot of fun with it for example trial living arrangement beta tests, the actual planning of a wedding etc.

Once they are married there is no way they can't not live together full time, the writers must know this.

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On 2016年7月2日 at 0:38 PM, April said:

 

Moving in together? 9x04 already suggests that when Lenny move out Amy will be the first choice to fill the vacancy.

 

Wait. I thought Sheldon considered 12 people (11 interviews and Chris Pratt) before asking Amy. Like Amy was literally the last one on his list. If you're talking about the results, that's true. He couldn't stand others so Amy's the front runner. But in that case I don't think it suggests Sheldon's ready. It just means he would like to live with Amy if Leonard moves out and if no one else can meet with his standards. So the story can go either way IMO. If the writers want to move things forward, Amy will move in once Lenny move out. But if they want to drag things out, there certainly can be a new character coming along and he/she turns out to be a better fit than Amy. It's not like that Sheldon "wants" to live with Amy. He just wants a roommate. 

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2 hours ago, camelliayao said:

Wait. I thought Sheldon considered 12 people (11 interviews and Chris Pratt) before asking Amy. Like Amy was literally the last one on his list. If you're talking about the results, that's true. He couldn't stand others so Amy's the front runner. But in that case I don't think it suggests Sheldon's ready. It just means he would like to live with Amy if Leonard moves out and if no one else can meet with his standards. So the story can go either way IMO. If the writers want to move things forward, Amy will move in once Lenny move out. But if they want to drag things out, there certainly can be a new character coming along and he/she turns out to be a better fit than Amy. It's not like that Sheldon "wants" to live with Amy. He just wants a roommate. 

You're conveniently missing out the detail that Shamy were broken up then - and he was still asking her even though they weren't on the best of terms at that point, broken heart and all. So naturally you wouldn't expect Amy to be the first person he'd ask then. But she still ended up being his top choice despite the circumstances.

And now they're back together, their relationship is going fine (not perfect, sure, but whose is!?), and while their progress is still slow as hell marriage is on the table long term. The only way I can see someone else moving in after Leonard is if it's some sort of emergency like when Stuart had no place to live and he ended up at the Wolowitz house. But then again they already did that kind of story line, so would they do that again??

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1 hour ago, April said:

You're conveniently missing out the detail that Shamy were broken up then - and he was still asking her even though they weren't on the best of terms at that point, broken heart and all. So naturally you wouldn't expect Amy to be the first person he'd ask then. But she still ended up being his top choice despite the circumstances.

And now they're back together, their relationship is going fine (not perfect, sure, but whose is!?), and while their progress is still slow as hell marriage is on the table long term. The only way I can see someone else moving in after Leonard is if it's some sort of emergency like when Stuart had no place to live and he ended up at the Wolowitz house. But then again they already did that kind of story line, so would they do that again??

I get what you're saying. But in 902, even though they were broken up, Sheldon still asked Amy to do FWF with him. Because Amy is his first choice to do a FWF episode with, whether they are broken up or not. In 904, I don't see anything that indicates Amy would be Sheldon's first choice for a roommate, especially with all his previous history of being afraid of moving together with Amy. Perhaps if Sheldon said something like "I can't ask Amy to move in because we are broken up" when he talked with Bernie in that episode, I would be more convinced that he really wanted Amy to live with him. 

Sheldon: Perhaps I could find someone better than Leonard. Someone I can rub in his face. Chris Pratt’s all the rage right now. I wonder how he’d feel about taking the smaller bedroom.

Sheldon: But I met with 11 people, and they all walked out. And that Hollywood phoney Chris Pratt never tweeted me back.

As for letting someone else be Sheldon's roommate, I don't know. I mean if we really are having a season 11 or more, I can totally see the writers bring in some new faces. 

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Edit: I forgot we are only allowed to post Shamy supportive comments on this thread, sorry. 

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9 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

I get what you're saying. But in 902, even though they were broken up, Sheldon still asked Amy to do FWF with him. Because Amy is his first choice to do a FWF episode with, whether they are broken up or not. In 904, I don't see anything that indicates Amy would be Sheldon's first choice for a roommate, especially with all his previous history of being afraid of moving together with Amy. Perhaps if Sheldon said something like "I can't ask Amy to move in because we are broken up" when he talked with Bernie in that episode, I would be more convinced that he really wanted Amy to live with him. 

Sheldon: Perhaps I could find someone better than Leonard. Someone I can rub in his face. Chris Pratt’s all the rage right now. I wonder how he’d feel about taking the smaller bedroom.

Sheldon: But I met with 11 people, and they all walked out. And that Hollywood phoney Chris Pratt never tweeted me back.

So no, I just don't see it.

I don't see how that has anything to do with the situation now though. I mean, I get what you're saying but I disagree with it.

In 9x02 Sheldon was still very much in denial about the breakup seeking any excuse to spend time with Amy despite her wishes to be left alone. FWF was always something they did together so why would he ask anybody else especially when the whole purpose is to get Amy back? The result however was just that Amy got increasingly annoyed and it eventually escalated with him lashing out in retaliation and Amy being even more furious with him.

In 9x04 it's sinking in that Amy isn't available as his first choice anymore, as per his talk with Bernie (describing their relationship as "strained", acknowledging that Amy left him), and yet still he eventually calls her up and gives it a last try. And I don't believe for a second that this means he'll only ever want her as a room mate when shortly after she rejects him again he's lamenting about how she'll marry someone better than him.

And last but not least, I don't think that some off hand jokes about Chris Pratt are a good indicator about what he wants for his future with Amy, especially not now that they're back together. JMO, of course.

9 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

As for letting someone else be Sheldon's roommate, I don't know. I mean if we really are having a season 11 or more, I can totally see the writers bring in some new faces. 

Except, if the writer's main concern is changing the show's DNA how would bring in a completely new face not do exactly that? Amy living in 4A wouldn't be much of a difference cause she's part of the gang. Despite the "she's just a supporting character" mantra going on in the forum she's not a fringe character like Stuart or Kripke or Raj's girlfriends either.

Bringing in a completely new character for the inane reason that Sheldon would rather live with some random dude than the woman he wants to marry is so weird to me. That would affect the DNA big time!

9 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

Edit: I forgot we are only allowed to post Shamy supportive comments on this thread, sorry. 

Personally, I don't have any problems with a few negative points as long as the discussion isn't derailed and kept civil. You know I like a good argument. ;D

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14 minutes ago, April said:

Bringing in a completely new character for the inane reason that Sheldon would rather live with some random dude than the woman he wants to marry is so weird to me. That would affect the DNA big time!

It would feel weird to me and a mistake by the writers. Though I wouldn't rule it out, line substitution episode showed that they are willing to revert Sheldon to old habits for what they see as as laughs. It makes perfect sense to me that Sheldon might have some hesitance to living with Amy but I think he must surely be ready for such a move, or very close.

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4 minutes ago, Jonny83 said:

It would feel weird to me and a mistake by the writers. Though I wouldn't rule it out, line substitution episode showed that they are willing to revert Sheldon to old habits for what they see as as laughs. It makes perfect sense to me that Sheldon might have some hesitance to living with Amy but I think he must surely be ready for such a move, or very close.

I don't disagree that Sheldon might have some reservations as we all know those steps just take ages with him. I can easily see him being a bit hesitant if things are happening a bit sudden instead of a longer transitional time frame.

But from a writers point of view introducing a completely new character to live with him just to avoid having Amy moving in when they are already worried about changing the show's DNA with Lenny moving out then yeah, that just wouldn't add up. As said, at most I could see some emergency happen and one of the minor characters has to move in for an episode or two. But nothing permanently.

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1 hour ago, April said:

I don't see how that has anything to do with the situation now though. I mean, I get what you're saying but I disagree with it.

In 9x02 Sheldon was still very much in denial about the breakup seeking any excuse to spend time with Amy despite her wishes to be left alone. FWF was always something they did together so why would he ask anybody else especially when the whole purpose is to get Amy back? The result however was just that Amy got increasingly annoyed and it eventually escalated with him lashing out in retaliation and Amy being even more furious with him.

In 9x04 it's sinking in that Amy isn't available as his first choice anymore, as per his talk with Bernie (describing their relationship as "strained", acknowledging that Amy left him), and yet still he eventually calls her up and gives it a last try. And I don't believe for a second that this means he'll only ever want her as a room mate when shortly after she rejects him again he's lamenting about how she'll marry someone better than him.

 

Except we don't see anything in 902 and 903 indicating he had given up on getting back together with Amy but in 9x04 he suddenly knew the ship sank? For all we know he was pretty confident in getting Amy back at the end of 902. In 903 nothing happened regarding Shamy. So I don't think he didn't ask Amy first because he knew Amy wasn't available. She just wasn't his NO.1 choice. It's not like he would run to Amy to ask her to move in if they weren't broken up.

So back to the start, your original theory was the writers using 904 to suggest Sheldon was somehow ready moving in with Amy (I think?). I disagree. I think the evidence, like a lot of the evidence we discovered before, was just coincidence. There were no deep meanings behind it. They wrote Sheldon asking Amy to move in because it was funny. They wrote a heartbroken Sheldon because the audience love that. They may pick up the moving together thing one day but they may also not mention it until the end of the series. My point is 904 means nothing. It doesn't increase the probability of the writers dealing with the living situation any time soon. It certainly is not the writers telling us secretly "see Sheldon's ready". But that's just my opinion. I guess we'll have to wait and see, although I have a feeling that it'll turns out like addressing the coitus issue after 911, with Shamy shippers hoping one episode after another, having fantasies but it just won't come.

As for a new character, I think as time goes by, people may find it more and more ridiculous that Lenny as a married couple still live with Sheldon. So there must come to a point that Lenny have to move out, thus changing the show's "dynamic". However, moving Lenny out is one thing, moving Amy in is another. Considering how slowly Shamy make progress over the years, I doubt they will move Amy in any time soon. But since moving Lenny out has already changed the dynamic, they could totally take the opportunity to introduce a new character. That would be funny. Sure adding another character is a big change, but not as big as "changing Sheldon too much". In conclusion, I think the writers believe adding another character is not as "horrible" as moving Amy in. 

The supportive comment thing. Sorry I was not talking to you. I know you don't mind.

P.S. TBBT pays a lot of attention to audience in my country recently with Jim opening a social media account, doing an exclusive interview etc, which is weird, considering we don't even speak English. However, the fact is more than half of the audience in my country don't like or even hate Shamy. The most common comments about TBBT are "Give us Shenny" and "Bring back season 3 Sheldon". Of course TPTB  won't listen to them. I'm just saying people with those opinions aren't the minority.

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6 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

Except we don't see anything in 902 and 903 indicating he had given up on getting back together with Amy but in 9x04 he suddenly knew the ship sank? For all we know he was pretty confident in getting Amy back at the end of 902. In 903 nothing happened regarding Shamy. So I don't think he didn't ask Amy first because he knew Amy wasn't available. She just wasn't his NO.1 choice. It's not like he would run to Amy to ask her to move in if they weren't broken up.

The context of 9x04 is all about Sheldon dealing with abandonment. The idea to seek someone new doesn't come from him either btw - it's Bernadette who's urging him to find a new room mate after he's asking her for advice, again because the women he'd usually ask are not available. I don't think there's anything "sudden" about him understanding that. It's been a few weeks at that point after all.

6 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

So back to the start, your original theory was the writers using 904 to suggest Sheldon was somehow ready moving in with Amy (I think?).

My original point was that the writers have been throwing around plenty of story bits that they can make use of if they wish to do so. You can argue all you want that this means nothing but the fact remains that Sheldon did ask Amy to move in and they can make Sheldon ask her again, especially now that they're in a good place. Just like the ring is still floating around 4A somewhere and can come up any time they seem fit.

And breakup or not I do think it's an indicator of a change in Sheldon's attitude when all the other times the idea of moving in together came from Amy and was harshly rejected by Sheldon. I'm not saying that this means they have him ask Amy first thing in S10 or anything. But 9x04 is IMHO a solid precursor for whenever the writers decide to make that move and it makes the whole thing a lot less surprising and more organic in the grand scheme of things.

6 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

As for a new character, I think as time goes by, people may find it more and more ridiculous that Lenny as a married couple still live with Sheldon. So there must come to a point that Lenny have to move out, thus changing the show's "dynamic". However, moving Lenny out is one thing, moving Amy in is another. Considering how slowly Shamy make progress over the years, I doubt they will move Amy in any time soon. But since moving Lenny out has already changed the dynamic, they could totally take the opportunity to introduce a new character. That would be funny. Sure adding another character is a big change, but not as big as "changing Sheldon too much". In conclusion, I think the writers believe adding another character is not as "horrible" as moving Amy in. 

I don't think there's any indication that the writers would think that though. If they really want to preserve Sheldon for some stupid reason they'll rather chain Lenny to the kitchen island than bring in a completely new character long term.

6 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

The supportive comment thing. Sorry I was not talking to you. I know you don't mind.

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39 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

P.S. TBBT pays a lot of attention to audience in my country recently with Jim opening a social media account, doing an exclusive interview etc, which is weird, considering we don't even speak English. However, the fact is more than half of the audience in my country don't like or even hate Shamy. The most common comments about TBBT are "Give us Shenny" and "Bring back season 3 Sheldon". Of course TPTB  won't listen to them. I'm just saying people with those opinions aren't the minority.

LOL I don't think they care about the Chinese audience (Hollywood does for their blockbusters but not television) and the US audience seems to love Shamy. So even if there is a vocal minority of Shenny/vintage Sheldon fans TPTB won't listen to them - especially not that late in the game.

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I think the writers are too afraid to change the show DNA to bring a brand new character into 4A with Sheldon. It would be too much of a change, for sure it would alter the equilibrium among the big three. Plus, really is non consistent with the fact that Shamy have reconciled and in a (relatively) good place right now. Sheldon was considering Amy as a roommate (he explicitly asked her to move in, after the 11+ candidates failed, he picked her, she didn't apply to the "position, LOL) when they were broken up, it makes no sense to me he won't consider living with her when Lenny move out. I don't think it will be something immediate, but  sooner or later they will live together. 

IMO,  the writers will move Lenny out at some point, since it's getting ridiculous and even journalists are pointing that out. But Sheldon living alone in 4A (with Amy sleeping over during the week-ends, or stuff like that), Lenny living in 4B and all characters hanging out pretty much as they are doing right now in 4A won't change almost anything. Whatever happened this season could have happened in the same way (with very few changes) if that was already the living situation. For me, when Lenny move out, the writers could find an intermediate solution for some time (that in TBBT-time might mean a whole season or more), like  Leonard keeping his old room as a storage, so there won't be any need for a roommate. Then, to progress Shamy, they could play the ring card. An engagement  is something  long awaited and much anticipated by the whole fandom and  will make a lot of people really happy (and I will be a very happy fan, LOL!) but it can be implemented in the show in a way to not influence neither the living arrangements, nor the plot for a long time.

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12 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

I think the writers are too afraid to change the show DNA to bring a brand new character into 4A with Sheldon. It would be too much of a change, for sure it would alter the equilibrium among the big three. Plus, really is non consistent with the fact that Shamy have reconciled and in a (relatively) good place right now. Sheldon was considering Amy as a roommate (he explicitly asked her to move in, after the 11+ candidates failed, he picked her, she didn't apply to the "position, LOL) when they were broken up, it makes no sense to me he won't consider living with her when Lenny move out. I don't think it will be something immediate, but  sooner or later they will live together. 

IMO,  the writers will move Lenny out at some point, since it's getting ridiculous and even journalists are pointing that out. But Sheldon living alone in 4A (with Amy sleeping over during the week-ends, or stuff like that), Lenny living in 4B and all characters hanging out pretty much as they are doing right now in 4A won't change almost anything. Whatever happened this season could have happened in the same way (with very few changes) if that was already the living situation. For me, when Lenny move out, the writers could find an intermediate solution for some time (that in TBBT-time might mean a whole season or more), like  Leonard keeping his old room as a storage, so there won't be any need for a roommate. Then, to progress Shamy, they could play the ring card. An engagement  is something  long awaited and much anticipated by the whole fandom and  will make a lot of people really happy (and I will be a very happy fan, LOL!) but it can be implemented in the show in a way to not influence neither the living arrangements, nor the plot for a long time.

I agree, that there are a lot of possibilities to drag out the change of living arrangements without needing someone entirely new to move into 4B.

And at this point I honestly wouldn't really care what way the writers go with this as long as there's some tangible momentum with Lenny building their love nest in 4B and Shamy planning their future together. And of course the prospect of sleepovers as a transitional solution until Leonard moved out properly would also be a wonderful solution to advance their physical intimacy which we both (and surely many others here) agree need some focus as well. There is so much comedic potential in that whole scenario that I'd love nothing more for the writers to stop being so hesitant and just go for it. <3

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2 hours ago, April said:

I don't disagree that Sheldon might have some reservations as we all know those steps just take ages with him. I can easily see him being a bit hesitant if things are happening a bit sudden instead of a longer transitional time frame.

But from a writers point of view introducing a completely new character to live with him just to avoid having Amy moving in when they are already worried about changing the show's DNA with Lenny moving out then yeah, that just wouldn't add up. As said, at most I could see some emergency happen and one of the minor characters has to move in for an episode or two. But nothing permanently.

I think a new character is unlikely but Amy being snubbed by Sheldon is possible in terms of being a roommate. That's not what I would do of course but I guess I am saying is what I want to see isn't what I may get. I hope if a situation comes up with 4A  having a vacancy that Amy is the first and only option in Sheldon's mind.

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43 minutes ago, Jonny83 said:

I think a new character is unlikely but Amy being snubbed by Sheldon is possible in terms of being a roommate. That's not what I would do of course but I guess I am saying is what I want to see isn't what I may get. I hope if a situation comes up with 4A  having a vacancy that Amy is the first and only option in Sheldon's mind.

Oh yeah, there's always the danger of the writers messing this up for no good reason. ugh. And it would be twice as annoying since IMHO they do have a lot of things in place that point towards a more positive development instead of stubbornly dragging their heels into the sand. Like you I would hope they'll rather have Sheldon embrace making the next steps forward in his relationship with Amy. <3

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3 hours ago, Jonny83 said:

I think a new character is unlikely but Amy being snubbed by Sheldon is possible in terms of being a roommate. That's not what I would do of course but I guess I am saying is what I want to see isn't what I may get. I hope if a situation comes up with 4A  having a vacancy that Amy is the first and only option in Sheldon's mind.

I think it's a delicate topic and indeed it can be handled very badly by the writers. It could eventually lead to a lot of tension between them. I hope that, whenever Lenny move out and the spare room becomes as a matter of fact available, there is a serious conversation about Shamy's future together, even if Amy doesn't move in right away. I don't want this subject to be treated as the writers are treating the ring. TBH, I can buy that Amy is on purpose ignoring the ring and has not asked a single question about it, since Sheldon has made it clear with that "cool your jets" that commitment is on his mind but he needs time. But he already wanted Amy as a roommate when they were broken up and Amy herself has mentioned more than once in the past the fact that she would like to move in with him. So I see Lenny moving out as a good opportunity for an honest conversation about their wishes and plans for the future. 

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