Ship Zone [Spoilers] Shamy: Season 10

[serena_1995]

2 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

Ok, now I really really want to hug Sheldon! Basically the guy, now that he has slept with Amy and knows for a fact has sexual desires, is scared to turn out to be like his father and ending up cheating on her, just like his father did with his mother when their relationship became difficult. And he's trying to prepare Amy to the "inevitable", with all that dating new people nonsense. It is so sad that he has had such  distorted role models, his grandpa died when he was a child, so even if he has had his grandparents  as positive example in a solid relationship, during his formative years he could look up just to his parents. This makes his effort in changing his long-established routine for the sake of Amy even more valuable, he really wants his relationship to be different from his parents' one.

Yes, his "what if i cheat on her" is a pretty legitimate fear and concern  to have, especially since his dad was a cheater. I feel this episode will be more poignant, whereas 10.4 will be more funnier. But both episodes seem well written and surprisingly mature,  far as the shamy relationship goes.

[spidergirl]

8 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

. This makes his effort in changing his long-established routine for the sake of Amy even more valuable, he really wants his relationship to be different from his parents' one.

He really wants it and he also wants  that be a sucessful one, as he also shows how much he cares for Amy as he is getting concerned about the future of their relationship because of his possible flaws due his background. Really, I am in love with Sheldon today, Amy has to forgive me that.

Sheldon's character has been always fascinating but I didnt think it was possible he 'd get more fascinating and bang, the writters are opening the pandora's box of his behavior giving us some background and material to think, as Sheldon seeeks his happiness with the woman he loves.

Really loving to where these characters are walking

 

[littleknee]

The sweet thing about this is that it is more about concern for Amy than for himself. So often Sheldon’s relationship with Amy in the past was about what he wanted, what he was comfortable with, the pace he wanted to take, how she made him feel. This is not really about what Sheldon wants (well apart from the initial bathroom schedule bits) – it’s not even really about him coming up short in her eyes – it’s about him not wanting her to get hurt. It shows a different kind of empathy for Amy than I feel like we’ve seen before. At least that’s what I got from the taping reports. I was nervous too when I read them, but there are some important developments in this that I’m looking forward to seeing!

[April]

22 minutes ago, Listgirl said:

Hi all, firstly many thanks for all who have supplied taping reports this season, or ever for that matter. Really enjoying all the chit chat again after quite a break.

Secondly,  just wanted to add one thing to the general worry (although I think it has largely passed) on Sheldon 'noticing' other women, him blurting this out to Amy and accusing her of eye-ing him up like meat and finally aware of his sexual desires. If I read all this right it all happens in the same argument/scene. So, in the previous episode Amy declared coitus was off the table.  In this context, and as we are now presumably a couple of weeks into this experiment, I think his frustrations are not just general, as they have slept together in the past, but also restrained by the current rules and conflicting messages that he is CONSCIOUS OF  from a potentially lusty but confused Amy. It's quite a potent cocktail really.

And it's only going to lead to one thing...... 

Sheldon's backstory really is gradually supplying all we need to know to understand his psyche and it is heartbreaking.

As @Lady in Red said he doesn't actually say all of that to Amy. I think what he said to Amy was the stuff about "spreading his seed" or whatever. He said the things you mention to Penny in a later scene.

However, I don't think it takes away from your general point. I agree that living with Amy has made him so much more aware of them in a physical sense now that comes with all sorts of side effects that he could brush aside before but can't avoid now as they are sharing a bed and seeing each other in all sorts of private situations. And who knows how many of their fights end in a steamy make out session like the end of 10x04 suggests. The initial agreement to keep coitus off the table may have been meant as a helpful tool to keep the pressure off but in a situation like that it seems to turn into a restriction that is adding more pressure than expected. And maybe, as @shamour suggested, that's why he was making a fuss about the bathroom schedule specifically cause he's probably imagining that if he ran into a naked Amy all hell might break loose. LOL

(And not gonna lie, this is exactly what I was hoping would happen! )

[Jonny]

16 minutes ago, spidergirl said:

He really wants it and he also wants  that be a sucessful one, as he also shows how much he cares for Amy as he is getting concerned about the future of their relationship because of his possible flaws due his background. Really, I am in love with Sheldon today, Amy has to forgive me that.

Sheldon's character has been always fascinating but I didnt think it was possible he 'd get more fascinating and bang, the writters are opening the pandora's box of his behavior giving us some background and material to think, as Sheldon seeeks his happiness with the woman he loves.

Really loving to where these characters are walking

 

Oh he wants this, there is no doubt about that.

Actually living in a different place (may be temporary for now but it's a big step), sharing a bed every night with another person, abandoning a bathroom schedule which he has lived by for well years, allowing someone else's toothbrush to be near his (more a symbolic move than anything, I would assume as he has no problem kissing Amy he shouldn't really have a problem with a toothbrush next to his). A chance to end the experiment? No he wants to continue.

I know Sheldon's commitment in the past has been questioned but it cannot be questioned now. As far as I can tell so far he has done everything in his power to try and make it a success.

Edited September 21, 2016 by Jonny

[Stephen Hawking]

9 hours ago, A Shamy gal said:

He had no trouble getting into Amy's apartment.

Or indeed Penny's, in The Decoupling Fluctuation.

7 hours ago, camelliayao said:

'Cause I have trouble accepting that Sheldon now has sexual desires for any hot girl...

Any hot girl bar Amy, of course.

Edited September 21, 2016 by Stephen Hawking

[Soopysue]

1 hour ago, mirs1 said:

Ok, now I really really want to hug Sheldon! Basically the guy, now that he has slept with Amy and knows for a fact has sexual desires, is scared to turn out to be like his father and ending up cheating on her, just like his father did with his mother when their relationship became difficult. And he's trying to prepare Amy to the "inevitable", with all that dating new people nonsense. It is so sad that he has had such  distorted role models, his grandpa died when he was a child, so even if he has had his grandparents  as positive example in a solid relationship, during his formative years he could look up just to his parents. This makes his effort in changing his long-established routine for the sake of Amy even more valuable, he really wants his relationship to be different from his parents' one.

Eeeep I love what you've said here, so true now I'm calm and can think properly !!!

i really hope he can talk a little to Amy about this - solder style  

1 hour ago, littleknee said:

The sweet thing about this is that it is more about concern for Amy than for himself. So often Sheldon’s relationship with Amy in the past was about what he wanted, what he was comfortable with, the pace he wanted to take, how she made him feel. This is not really about what Sheldon wants (well apart from the initial bathroom schedule bits) – it’s not even really about him coming up short in her eyes – it’s about him not wanting her to get hurt. It shows a different kind of empathy for Amy than I feel like we’ve seen before. At least that’s what I got from the taping reports. I was nervous too when I read them, but there are some important developments in this that I’m looking forward to seeing!

 

Awww you are right *heart eyes* !

[shamyyellow]

I'm pretty curious about the hug. Did we ever get a description of what it looked like?

[Trinabeana78]

Nerdforestgirl on tumblr clarified the hug too:

“What was the hug like? Similar to the one in the Mars ep? :)”

It was similar, but it was both of them hugging each other, not Amy throwing herself into Sheldon’s arms.  Very sweet.

 

So it sounds like a good one! I think this episode will be pretty good. I do wish that Sheldon would just state plainly that he desires Amy and wants to have coitus again before her birthday, but that's just not his way. I do think it probably will happen again before her birthday, but probably just a few weeks before it. 

[Soopysue]

23 minutes ago, shamyyellow said:

I'm pretty curious about the hug. Did we ever get a description of what it looked like?

Oooh I'm glad you asked ! I'd love to know that as well ! 

[Jonny]

1 hour ago, Trinabeana78 said:

Nerdforestgirl on tumblr clarified the hug too:

“What was the hug like? Similar to the one in the Mars ep? :)”

It was similar, but it was both of them hugging each other, not Amy throwing herself into Sheldon’s arms.  Very sweet.

 

So it sounds like a good one! I think this episode will be pretty good. I do wish that Sheldon would just state plainly that he desires Amy and wants to have coitus again before her birthday, but that's just not his way. I do think it probably will happen again before her birthday, but probably just a few weeks before it. 

She took it off the table for now so I can understand Sheldon not saying anything at the moment. I wonder if something spontaneous will happen, something small that triggers them basically ripping their clothes off (well not literally as this is a sitcom!). A science word or an eye coitus look, it's something that you just wouldn't expect them to do but makes perfect sense as the sexual tension between them just boils over. Maybe that seems too OOC for Sheldon but then he has basically said his urges are getting stronger by the sounds of it so perhaps it's not that far fetched.

Edited September 21, 2016 by Jonny

[Lady in Red]

4 hours ago, Judith said:

I was reading the tr in the DT and in the scene when Sheldon comes back to 4a to make up with Amy it says that he first sat on the left side of the couch but then jumped and sat on his spot. Uh...what the actual fuck? Did he...sit somewhere other than his spot at first???

 

@mirs1

Yes, he originally sat on the opposite end of the sofa, IMO an indication of how excited he was to speak to her.  Before Sheldon entered 4A, Amy was sitting in his spot.  When the door opened, she jumped to the center of the sofa, but was turned slightly towards the door.  Sheldon initially sat on the side of the sofa closest to the door so that he was facing Amy.   After a few earnest words to her, it was like he caught himself, got up and went to his spot.  Amy turned to face him now that he was sitting on the other side of her.

[Soopysue]

25 minutes ago, Lady in Red said:

Yes, he originally sat on the opposite end of the sofa, IMO an indication of how excited he was to speak to her.  Before Sheldon entered 4A, Amy was sitting in his spot.  When the door opened, she jumped to the center of the sofa, but was turned slightly towards the door.  Sheldon initially sat on the side of the sofa closest to the door so that he was facing Amy.   After a few earnest words to her, it was like he caught himself, got up and went to his spot.  Amy turned to face him now that he was sitting on the other side of her.

Thanks so much for all the info and clarifying details today

[Judith]

1 hour ago, Lady in Red said:

Yes, he originally sat on the opposite end of the sofa, IMO an indication of how excited he was to speak to her.  Before Sheldon entered 4A, Amy was sitting in his spot.  When the door opened, she jumped to the center of the sofa, but was turned slightly towards the door.  Sheldon initially sat on the side of the sofa closest to the door so that he was facing Amy.   After a few earnest words to her, it was like he caught himself, got up and went to his spot.  Amy turned to face him now that he was sitting on the other side of her.

Thanks for answering!

I don't even know what to say to this lol.

ETA: Seriously, am I the only one who has a hard time processing all this?

ETA2: Sorry but I can't stop, I won't stop. This is incredible to me. This is one of the best Shamy eps EVER.

Edited September 21, 2016 by Judith

[spidergirl]

1 hour ago, Jonny said:

She took it off the table for now so I can understand Sheldon not saying anything at the moment. I wonder if something spontaneous will happen, something small that triggers them basically ripping their clothes off (well not literally as this is a sitcom!). A science word or an eye coitus look, it's something that you just wouldn't expect them to do but makes perfect sense as the sexual tension between them just boils over. Maybe that seems too OOC for Sheldon but then he has basically said his urges are getting stronger by the sounds of it so perhaps it's not that far fetched.

Sheldon has mentioned more than once that he has urges ( The prom episode was one of the times) so it stoped to be too much ooc I guess

The bathroon schedule is doomed so that room has potential for that something spontaneous to happen between Sheldon and Amy. We may not seen it on screen but I bet that Amy may drop her towel soon,  Sheldon s fault!

Edited September 21, 2016 by spidergirl

[2L344]

Love all the comments about this latest development...Is it too early to hope for a very special Christmas episode for our couple?!

[ShamyBabboos]

22 minutes ago, spidergirl said:

Sheldon has mentioned more than once that he has urges ( The prom episode was one of the times) so it stoped to be too much ooc I guess

The bathroon schedule is doomed so that room has potential for that something spontaneous to happen between Sheldon and Amy. We may not seen it on screen but I bet that Amy may drop her towel soon,  Sheldon s fault!

I wrote a fic about that happening  

but the fact that he is starting to imply that he needs to "spread his DNA" is definitely the start of some sexual frustration. It's not just him wanting to... he's needing to at this point. I don't think it'll be long until the (sexual) tension finally snaps! I mean, hes around her all the time and think about it, if Amy sees him come out of the shower, then Sheldon must see her out of the shower, too!

Edited September 21, 2016 by ShamyBabboos

[vonmar]

9 minutes ago, ShamyBabboos said:

I wrote a fic about that happening  

but the fact that he is starting to imply that he needs to "spread his DNA" is definitely the start of some sexual frustration. It's not just him wanting to... he's needing to at this point. I don't think it'll be long until the (sexual) tension finally snaps! I mean, hes around her all the time and think about it, if Amy sees him come out of the shower, then Sheldon must see her out of the shower, too!

It seems like they are leading us down a very carefully prepared path. Sheldon insisting that he and Amy live in 4B together and now his angst over how they are dealing with the arrangements?  

I really believe that they are going for a situation where the "I can't wait until your next birthday..." concept is shattered.  I think that Sheldon is going to cave...lol.

[ShamyBabboos]

1 minute ago, vonmar said:

It seems like they are leading us down a very carefully prepared path. Sheldon insisting that he and Amy live in 4B together and now his angst over how they are dealing with the arrangements?  

I really believe that they are going for a situation where the "I can't wait until your next birthday..." concept is shattered.  I think that Sheldon is going to cave...lol.

Agreed wholeheartedly! I think it'll be something that'll be akin to water dripping from a leaky faucet. You can only take so much of that annoying, dripping sound until you NEED to do something about it. Sheldon can only ignore it for so long.

[shamyyellow]

24 minutes ago, 2L344 said:

Love all the comments about this latest development...Is it too early to hope for a very special Christmas episode for our couple?!

I think you meant Christmas for us and not for them (and I'm hoping too), but I'm pretty bummed that we won't get any Halloween/Thanksgiving/Christmas/New Year episodes because of Bernie's pregnancy. 

[ShamyBabboos]

5 minutes ago, shamyyellow said:

I think you meant Christmas for us and not for them (and I'm hoping too), but I'm pretty bummed that we won't get any Halloween/Thanksgiving/Christmas/New Year episodes because of Bernie's pregnancy. 

I wouldn't give up hoping that! We might get a halloween-themed...baby shower episode (I'm really pushing the baby shower aren't I? The answer is yes.)

Edited September 21, 2016 by ShamyBabboos

[jenafan]

Alright.  Alright.  I won't shut my heart for love of Shamy!  

This is what I feared last season, having become a paranoid shipper.  The breakup had a profound effect on me, and no matter how hard I tried to reason otherwise, I felt the Shamy I had come to know and love was forever tainted by the harsh words, insults, and rush to coitus that just felt so sloppy to me.   I thought the reconciliation was too good to be true, using situations like Amy's response to Meemaw and Sheldon's paying Stuart to get him out of shopping with Amy to justify my fears.  I totally understand the need for @camelliayao to call to the Ship's counselors for support to be reassured that things are not as is being negatively perceived.  I've been there.  

Now, I feel I have switched positions from the couch to the chair where everything really is coming up Shamy, and I want to help others see that, too.  I refuse to go back and reread my old posts.  It pains me to think I once believed Sheldon to lack desire, when really he was just suppressing it.   Thanks to the writer's for allowing me to hear Amy tell Alfred that her non-physical courtship with Sheldon was "HOT".  It helps me realize that it was not at all far-fetched that she would go back to status quo after the break up, which brings me to what is to come.

Amy wanted to end the cohabitation experiment after one sleepless night, putting her future of matrimony with Sheldon into question if they can't survive under one roof.   Call back to the break up, where she ended their entire relationship over an argument.  We learn later it was not what she really wanted, but she just didn't know how to handle the situation.  If I had to put input on the matter, I'd venture Amy would not overreact so if she can just be assured that Sheldon wants what she wants.   As soon as Sheldon told her he didn't want to quit the experiment, she was all in again.  The effort is worth the squeeze if she knows she will get something out of it, even if to others the strides forward are minimal.

Sheldon's references to needing kohlinar, associating coitus with germs, having urges, limiting physical contact, etc.  all have more meaning now.  How will we ever go back and re-watch older Shamy episodes and view Sheldon's glances and eye coitus in the same way again knowing what we know now?

Does Sheldon desire Amy?  There is no doubt any longer.  She is the reason he is becoming sexualized.  She is the reason he is taking notice of things he could once ignore.  Once a man who was able to control things around him with his mind, he is losing the battle.   I'm sure he is afraid.   He gets mad at Amy for eyeing him like a piece of meat, but could he in fact be doing the same with Amy?  Are his thoughts moving away from admiring her mind to noticing physical things about her that attract and arouse him?

We know Sheldon is skilled at throwing arrows at his targets and hitting his mark through insults and threats in order to deflect his fears and pain.  By telling Amy that he is male and needs to spread his DNA, he is lumping himself with all the other males he knows who have had more than one partner and sowed their oats before settling down.   He has no role model.  His parents bickered, leading to infidelity.   Lenny fought and both ended up sleeping with other people before rekindling their relationship.    

If Sheldon is becoming victim to these urges, and he and Amy are fighting, he is wondering if he will follow the examples from his past.  What Sheldon needed to figure out for himself is that noticing a beautiful woman does not necessarily equate to a willingness to act on desire.  Penny did the right thing taking him out and giving him a chance to see that his fears are unfounded.    His desire to act is a result of the intimate bond he is building with Amy because he loves her and only wants her.   This goes far beyond just being a male.  It is being human.

Kudos to Amy for calling out Sheldon's nonsense and not feeling threatened by it.  By bringing up the once a year issue, she is basically telling him the tension he is feeling is his fault.  He set the original parameters, and she is just abiding by their agreement.  Sheldon is beginning to cave, and I can't help but want Amy to say Touche.  All those years, he teased her for her growing desire for him.  By Amy taking coitus off the table, he is getting a taste of his own medicine.

While I don't think this was Amy's intention, the results are proving to be working in their favor.  They are getting the foreplay all right.  The climax is sure to happen sooner than later.

I am also enjoying the fact Sheldon's love for Amy motivates him to make compromises and want to find balance with her.  He is giving up needing things to be his way in the living arrangements,  a feat that was never accomplished with Leonard.

Got to go.  More later.

 

Edited September 22, 2016 by jenafan

[vonmar]

7 minutes ago, ShamyBabboos said:

Agreed wholeheartedly! I think it'll be something that'll be akin to water dripping from a leaky faucet. You can only take so much of that annoying, dripping sound until you NEED to do something about it. Sheldon can only ignore it for so long.

Heck, they set a Guinness world record for coitus round 1.  Maybe break that record with coitus round 2?

[ShamyBabboos]

9 minutes ago, jenafan said:

Alright.  Alright.  I won't shut my heart for love of Shamy!  

This is what I feared last season, having become a paranoid shipper.  The breakup had a profound effect on me, and no matter how hard I tried to reason otherwise, I felt the Shamy I had come to know and love was forever tainted by the harsh words, insults, and rush to coitus that just felt so sloppy to me.   I thought the reconciliation was too good to be true, using situations like Amy's response to Meemaw and Sheldon's paying Stuart to get him out of shopping with Amy to justify my fears.  I totally understand the need for @camelliayao to call to the Ship's counselors for support to be reassured that things are not as is being negatively perceived.  I've been there.  

Now, I feel I have switched positions from the couch to the chair where everything really is coming up Shamy, and I want to help others see that, too.  I refuse to go back and reread my old posts.  It pains me to think I once believed Sheldon to lack desire, when really he was just suppressing it.   Thanks to the writer's for allowing me to hear Amy tell Alfred that her non-physical courtship with Sheldon was "HOT".  It helps me realize that it was not at all far-fetched that she would go back to status quo after the break up, which brings me to what is to come.

Amy wanted to end the cohabitation experiment after one sleepless night, putting her future of matrimony with Sheldon into question if they can't survive under one roof.   Call back to the break up, where she ended their entire relationship over an argument.  We learn later it was not what she really wanted, but she just didn't know how to handle the situation.  If I had to put input on the matter, I'd venture Amy would not overreact so if she can just be assured that Sheldon wants what she wants.   As soon as Sheldon told her he didn't want to quit the experiment, she was all in again.  The effort is worth the squeeze if she knows she will get something out of it, even if to others the strides forward are minimal.

Sheldon's references to needing kohlinar, associating coitus with germs, having urges, limiting physical contact, etc.  all have more meaning now.  How will we ever go back and re-watch older Shamy episodes and view Sheldon's glances and eye coitus in the same way again knowing what we know now?

Does Sheldon desire Amy?  There is no doubt any longer.  She is the reason he is becoming sexualized.  She is the reason he is taking notice of things he could once ignore.  Once a man who was able to control things around him with his mind, he is losing the battle.   I'm sure he is afraid.   He gets mad at Amy for eyeing him like a piece of meet, but could he in fact be doing the same with Amy?  Are his thoughts moving away from admiring her mind to noticing physical things about her that attract and arouse him?

We know Sheldon is skilled at throwing arrows at his targets and hitting his mark through insults and threats in order to deflect his fears and pain.  By telling Amy that he is male and needs to spread his DNA, he is lumping himself with all the other males he knows who have had more than one partner and sowed their oats before settling down.   He has no role model.  His parents bickered, leading to infidelity.   Lenny fought and both ended up sleeping with other people before rekindling their relationship.    

If Sheldon is becoming victim to these urges, and he and Amy are fighting, he is wondering if he will follow the examples from his past.  What Sheldon needed to figure out for himself is that noticing a beautiful woman does not necessarily equate to a willingness to act on desire.  Penny did the right thing taking him out and giving him a chance to see that his fears are unfounded.    His desire to act is a result of the intimate bond he is building with Amy because he loves her and only wants her.   This goes far beyond just being a male.  It is being human.

Kudos to Amy for calling out Sheldon's nonsense and not feeling threatened by it.  By bringing up the once a year issue, she is basically telling him the tension he is feeling is his fault.  He set the original parameters, and she is just abiding by their agreement.  Sheldon is beginning to cave, and I can't help but want Amy to say Touche.  All those years, he teased her for her growing desire for him.  By Amy taking coitus off the table, he is getting a taste of his own medicine.

While I don't think this was Amy's intention, the results are proving to be working in their favor.  They are getting the foreplay all right.  The climax is sure to happen sooner than later.

I am also enjoying the fact Sheldon's love for Amy motivates him to make compromises and want to find balance with her.  He is giving up needing things to be his way in the living arrangements,  a feat that was never accomplished with Leonard.

Got to go.  More later.

 

Your posts, i swear. Its like you're reading my mind! (mildly disturbing, but thank god you can put my jumbled thoughts into coherent sentences!)

[brilliantfool]

so after I first read TRs in the morning it all didn't seem like a big deal to me (I can't decide if it's cause I'm not a die-hard fan anymore, or cause I trust the writers too much now and have come to expect awesome shamy things as natural... lol). But now the more I think about it, the more 2 things strike me as amazing : 

1. BATHROOM SCHEDULE! I mean, he actually willingly gave up on that?! I honestly think it is huge, like, I think it was easier for him to come to terms with coitus, or hand holding etc, than that. And think about it guys! He always says how much he loves Leonard, but he's never made ANY compromises about it for him. Sometimes we're worried Penny has too much influence on him , and we know how much she hates bathroom schedule, but he's never made any changes for her. But just a couple of weeks with Amy and BAM! he changes like the most prominent part of his routine not to upset her

2. I didn't think about it at first, but as somebody else pointed out , this whole episode (depending on how truthful Sheldon was about other girls and urges and all that )  kinda means he's not a demisexual (or asexual ) like we speculated last year. I actually have always been team 'Sheldon's sexuality is just repressed due to traumas and religion' (and a bunch of other reasons), and I was always against the idea of  him being a demisexual, I dunno why, it just doesn't sit well with me. Nothing against real life demisexuals, but I just didn't  see him that way, and also thinking of him as a demisexual made him kinda unrelatable for me. But after the 'Opening Night', and sex as a gift, and all this once a year stuff, I kinda gave up on that and made my peace with him probably actually being a demisexual (or even asexual). I still love Shamy of course, but it's made them a little unrelatable for me. I'm so so happy if that's not the case. I'm probably in the minority but I don't mind him finding other girls attractive (just like I didn't  mind Amy finding Zack & other guys attractive). I think it's very normal and very human. I kind of don't care who he finds attractive physically , cause as long as he's in love with Amy, obviously he finds her more attractive than anybody else. And I kinda  always had an issue with him only being attracted to a girl's brain,  but I do believe primarily he will always be this way, so in my opinion a liiittle bit of classic way and noticing a girl's looks as well, rather than just brains, won't hurt him.