[Spoilers] Lenny:Season 10

[JE7]

The only benefit of the doubt I am willing to give them is that they are just unoriginal and unimaginative hacks as opposed to intentionally using Lenny for a piñata to further promote the GTB

On second thought I don't even give them that much.... 

[Strawberry PopTart Fan]

51 minutes ago, ajond said:

I read the TR with horror. Jeez, Lenny asking Sheldon for a RA. Sheldon has gone from a socially awkward virgin to a relationship advisor and stud. If the TV episode is anything like the TR, that will see me out. I won't be missing all that much because I often FF thru the Shamy scenes. I enjoy this forum a lot more  than  I've been enjoying the show.

I also read the TR with horror. How often have we had discussions about Penny's snarkiness to Leonard? How maybe she could be a little nicer to him at times. Now he's the bad guy ? Again? And the "relationship coach"? Really? I'm more tolerant of Sheldon than many Lenny's, but this really gets my goat. It reminds me of when S and A took the relationship test, and S crowned them Best Couple of the group and Lenny the worst. I loathed his arrogance and disdain for his friends in that episode. Leonard's reassurance " hold your hand and do it with you" saved it for me. Now he's going to fix them? Please.

I don't doubt that they wil be fine and things will move on.I don't doubt that they love each other. I don't think it's unrealistic that couples have ups and downs along their journey.  I'm just so disappointed that we've waited so long for them to have a story and this is what it turns out to be.  I'm so sad that Lenny wasn't given the opportunity to work this out on their own and come out stronger for having talked about what was bothering Penny. 

[Chrismo]

I was on chat last night and things got a little tense when a bit of info got leaked. TBH and I know I'm in the minority but I think the TR was not as bad. Granted the only info I heard was Lenny was getting divorced. To start with I do understand people being upset at Penny for being snarky at Leonard. But through the years Leonard rarely complains about it. I do also understand the thought that Penny probably should cut in some slack for all the wonderful things he's done for her. But look at it from Penny's perspective she has become part of Leonard's world not vice versus. I do get it was her choice. Now let's get to the taping report. The story starts out with Penny dreaming of Leonard making dinner for her and playing or singing , I don't remember now, her favorite group. It sound like typical Leonard. Then reality sets in and Leonard is sitting in his underwear watching TV. Not what your picturing after finally losing Sheldon. Also in previous episode the guys commenting how good she looks and Leonard admitting he really doesn't need to look good anymore he's married. Move it a long to ladies night and Penny is complaining about Leonard. Not exactly the first time a wife as complained about their husband. She comes back and of all people Sheldon asks about her evening. Does she overreact by suggesting taking Amy to the spa? Absolutely. Does she overreact by suggesting Leonard isn't putting much effort into their relationship? Absolutely. Does Leonard overreact by saying he is the only one that does? Yes. Should Leonard been okay about Penny taking Amy to the spa? No. Just a male perspective comment coming here. I know it's Penny's idea to go to the spa but Leonard dude Penny naked spa. What are you thinking?

in regards to the RA I'm with the people on this thread and the other who thinks its not comparable to the Shamy and/or Shelnard one. Also Sheldon giving relationship advice. He the one thinking their divorcing. His writing down what Lenny agreed to is to only IMO to help them get out of the rut there in. There's nothing binding there. While some have mentioned he reciprocating relationship advice he really isn't. He is just writing down how Lenny can help themselves. Sure for the laughs he added the underwear bit. I do get when people are upset by the RA. I've been one of the biggest ones to complain about it simply because it always benefitted Sheldon. This has nothing to do with Sheldon.

[5Mississippis]

2 hours ago, ajond said:

I read the TR with horror. Jeez, Lenny asking Sheldon for a RA. Sheldon has gone from a socially awkward virgin to a relationship advisor and stud. If the TV episode is anything like the TR, that will see me out. I won't be missing all that much because I often FF thru the Shamy scenes. I enjoy this forum a lot more  than  I've been enjoying the show.

Agree. I have more fun here than I've had since the Lenny downhill slide starting with Season Hate. 

I'm still trying to sort all the points of the TR out in my head. It's messy in there. 

I like my Lenny and Sheldon/Shamy separate but equal. Now here we have Lenny dipped and anointed in the waters of the Church of Sheldon. WTF?!

I want LESS Sheldon with my Lenny, not more.

No more Suppository Sheldon lubed up and inserted into Lenny. He's interfered WAY too many times at tender moments: the goodbye at the airport, two weddings.

Leonard, according to Penny multiple times, 'wore [her] down'. OK, to me, that kinda sorta indicates/presumes that Leonard still continues to be the demonstrative one in the relationship, by doing overt gestures, (a Season 10 presumption on my part) and as it has been also amply shown in canon. So now it's Penny that feeling slighted and that Leonard doesn't care? From the one example we've been given? Playing video games in your underwear? 

Smart, sassy Penny who regularly made fun of the RA (there was a whole show dedicated to her breaking Sheldon's rules), she knows how Leonard suffered under the RA -- not only did she actively encourage to break the RA, she said things like 'don't encourage the crazy man' so now the answer is enter another one? Last year she showed very little respect to Leonard, Sheldon, and the RA when she sided with Sheldon about the quarterly roommate meetings where Sheldon wanted to talk about the raisin bran only he eats. Leonard balked and she said 'We signed it. We need to support him'. Only later we find out she was only doing that to manipulate Sheldon into getting her way without having to even talk with Leonard. WTF?! 

The writers couldn't  even try to be original with Lenny. They could have looked at photos, 'Awww, Leonard! My old car! And that's where you used to put the roses on my windshield. Can we get back to that, Sweetie?' They don't even try to write for Lenny so they just handed them a Relationship Agreement that is a Shamy benchmark. Is there any pro-Lenny writers even left in that writer's room?!

I don't get it. None of it. It's all jarring. 

A lot of folks are being supportive and putting a positive spin on this. I am not feeling it and my face still stings from the TPTB's slap.  

[Earnie]

The way I see it the writers are treating Lenny as a real married couple who have taken each other for granted every relationship goes thru this they just need to communicate which as we know is a struggle for them and I do agree that Sheldon has no business getting involved. If they had to go to a  3rd party they should have went back to the relationship therapist they met last season when Penny was trying to get her as a client

[Chrismo]

32 minutes ago, Earnie said:

The way I see it the writers are treating Lenny as a real married couple who have taken each other for granted every relationship goes thru this they just need to communicate which as we know is a struggle for them and I do agree that Sheldon has no business getting involved. If they had to go to a  3rd party they should have went back to the relationship therapist they met last season when Penny was trying to get her as a client

The relationship therapist was a one time thing. I get the Sheldon hate but his" assistance" is not really relationship advice. Maybe I said this before,I'm getting old, but Sheldon does know them better than anyone else.

[3ku11]

I really don't see the big deal here. Penny was open about her feelings. Lenny fought, like they always do. Made up. Acknolwedged their are problems. And made practical steps in fixing it. No different to Season 7, when we found out Penny was married LOL. So you know these two are a rollercoaster. I Don't agree with the premise, they need a RA. I rather they go see a marrage counsellor. They are adults not children. But I Think is a good thing. It is realistic. And we all know they write them realistically. Penny dreams of Leonard being more romantic, who knowew Penny cared about that stuff. Then the image of Leonard in his underwear, LOL. So they both overreact as they always do. Now its leading to them, attempting to work on their relationship. ITs not butterflies, and rainbows. ITs real life. So I understand the backlash from most Lennys here. But I don't think Sheldon is offering advice either. LEnny went to him, and he is isimply giving them a tool to help them through their relationship. Now one can like this RA idea or not. But he is assisting them, not taking over.

 Now I understand some ar worried, it well strip away everything that makes Lenny unique. Like they well turn them into Shamy 2.0. But I doubt that well happen. We well prob not hear of it again, in any case. ITs a rollercoaster folks with a ton of bumps. But we all know it well havea safe ending. Let's just wait till it airs on tv, it well translate very differently I bet. Lenny are getting a big storyline. I for one am looking forward to it.  And to be quite honest. This reminds me of The Beta Tst Intiaition Season 5. I think its kinda similar. Lenny are going to go through another beta test. It well make their relationship stronger. #Heel #Lennys

Edited December 15, 2016 by 3ku11

[JE7]

Honestly I don't know why I even watch anymore, I have bought seasons 1-7 on Blu-ray and while up till now season 10 had been OK i prefer to pretend the show ended at 7.24

I won't rewatch seasons 8/9 and 10 ain't looking good I will stay till 10.24 because of the forum but I really hope if ends there and Lenny reach the finish line intact

If this is the best the medium has to offer it's no wonder TV is dead

Edited December 15, 2016 by JE7

[luminous]

11 hours ago, hokie3457 said:

I look at this as a good development.  The fact that Penny brings this up now and does not let it simmer is a positive.  To me, she has been portraying her passion about her relationship for most of Season 10.  In episode 10.01 she states how "incredibly happy" Leonard has made her.  It is time for him to step up and continue that.  In the episode where she and Amy attended Bert's (or is it Burt????) party, she enthusiastically asked about Leonard's standing in the university community and proudly identified herself of the girl he "wore down" instead of tricking her into marrying him (seems a little snarky, but I don't find it that way----we can go back to Season 6 where she stated on Valentine's Day that he'll keep asking her to marry him and eventually "I'll say yes"---in essence she said yes right then!!!).  The dopey agreement Sheldon seemingly assisted them in creating will I'm sure only be a nudge in the right direction.  I'm looking forward to seeing this play out and some positive attention coming Dr. & Mrs. Hofstadter's way......

This finally put me back on track. Thanks hokie.

 

[3ku11]

I agree with Hoki. This is a very good development. Even if with a dopey RA. I think it well put Lenny in the right direction. We know Leonard makes her happy. 10x01 proves this. I think it's about Leonard. Penny has prooven how Happy She is. It's Leonard's turn to step up now. TBH Penny's right. Leonard's I'm married I don't have to be attractive line. Playing games in his underwear etc. I think you can see Penys pov. So Leonard man step up! This is a good thing Penny has let her feelings known. Not repressing it. 

[Itwasdestined]

There is a constant battle between romantic Lenny and generic snarky modern comedy married Lenny, in both the show and amongst the fans/shippers. I find myself agreeing with 5Miss on the writing possibility for this latest taping. I have no problem per se with the issue of them having a problem in the marriage but just whinging and anger could be replaced with referencing what Leonard used to do romantically ninjaish style. In Beta test there was cute banter and humorous resolution in true to character style. By themselves and certainly with no Sheldonesque contractual means. That's my only issue - the method of resolution is not their true style.

And this where the writers annoy me. I've always felt they have done the big Lenny moments brilliantly, although some may disagree with some of them. The first inkling with Lime Kiss, the first try with Schrodinger, the reuniting in season 5, the rekindling in Holographic, the ILY, that Box of memories, the successful proposal, the wedding vows. It's their inability to maintain a normal run off the mill plot line between the big moments they blow. It builds the frustration amongst the most ardent shipper as their story when they get no real story, just cute happy flashes between the Sheldonethon. The writers and the characters are at the crossroads because to them they're only one BIG MOMENT left - baby ( I'm not entertaining the negative alternative - I'm a glass half full guy!) so we are stuck with the sitcom marriage trope of wife complaining about being taken for granted that has been played out in so many comedies over the years. The problem is most of those stories have been with established marriages with teenaged kids in the picture. Heck, I've gone on ad infinitum about the Lenny parallels to my marriage. Yep I've had several taken for granted moments in my marriage but that's a 25 year union. It's been during the latter half, not the first 18 months. And that's what sucks. Lenny are getting old married couple stories, not early years of fun stories. That's what let's the characters down.

That and the unwillingness of the writers to develop anything they throw on the fire. If this little mid season upheaval has a second half story to tell that leads to a consistently good fun marriage then I'm all in for the ride. If they just let it slide after the break and do nothing for weeks - BOOOOOOO!


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[luminous]

39 minutes ago, Itwasdestined said:

 If this little mid season upheaval has a second half story to tell that leads to a consistently good fun marriage then I'm all in for the ride. If they just let it slide after the break and do nothing for weeks - BOOOOOOO!

This! It has to lead up to something. Consistent good fun plots for Lenny, would be the best outcome of course.

[veejay]

24 minutes ago, luminous said:

This! It has to lead up to something. Consistent good fun plots for Lenny, would be the best outcome of course.

Yep…one breathtaking moment for Lenny after yesterday's riot.

[luminous]

8 minutes ago, veejay said:

Yep…one breathtaking moment for Lenny after yesterday's riot.

I guess that's the moment, when Lenny kiss (according to the TR) in tonight's episode. If this is cut short, and we don't see the kiss, there'll be another riot. That's for sure!

[3ku11]

Yeah I guess lack of originality is the issue here . Too tropey. I agree they should be writing Lenny as a young fun married couple. Thing is they kinda were. Until this. Penny feels taken for granted. Guess does not help. Leonard in his whities playing video games haha. Then again Lenny are not real life. They are fiction. But theirs only so much fiction you can believe. I mean if the writers want to show consistent happy Lenny. They well. But I'm still positive this is a good development for Lenny. And we as fans should see that. If it leads to fun Lenny plots. Which seems to be be the point of this storyline. Despite it feeling a little bit stereotypical, clichied, and tropey for TbbT. I'm not sure why since they've got engaged . Constantly write them like an old married couple. But msybe this is the point of the storyline. And the RA. Leads to a consistently fun Lenny in second Half. 

Edited December 15, 2016 by 3ku11

[Strawberry PopTart Fan]

8 hours ago, JE7 said:

Honestly I don't know why I even watch anymore, I have bought seasons 1-7 on Blu-ray and while up till now season 10 had been OK i prefer to pretend the show ended at 7.24

I won't rewatch seasons 8/9 and 10 ain't looking good I will stay till 10.24 because of the forum but I really hope if ends there and Lenny reach the finish line intact

If this is the best the medium has to offer it's no wonder TV is dead

Maybe you still watch for some of the same reasons I still watch. Maybe you were totally captivated by the unlikely  story  of two young, imperfect, ill-matched, yearning souls who, against the odds, formed this amazingly intense, passionate bond that came to be called Lenny. For me, they were a  delightfully surprising by-product of the comedy about the  nerd buddies. Their story of passionate young unlikely love pulled on  nostalgic heartstrings I didn't know I had. So now as the story sometimes isn't always the story I want it to be, isn't always  as much fun as it was earlier on, isn't always developing and growing the relationship the way I want it to grow and develop,  I'm hanging on because of the solid Lenny foundation built in the early years and because I still care so much about the fate of this couple who captivated me in Season 1. Crazy, but here I am spending time writing about it.

Hearts, somewhat battered, but still beating strong.

[wannabechef07]

What is going on right now? I'm so confused. 

[veejay]

30 minutes ago, Strawberry PopTart Fan said:

Maybe you still watch for some of the same reasons I still watch. Maybe you were totally captivated by the unlikely  story  of two young, imperfect, ill-matched, yearning souls who, against the odds, formed this amazingly intense, passionate bond that came to be called Lenny. For me, they were a  delightfully surprising by-product of the comedy about the  nerd buddies. Their story of passionate young unlikely love pulled on  nostalgic heartstrings I didn't know I had. So now as the story sometimes isn't always the story I want it to be, isn't always  as much fun as it was earlier on, isn't always developing and growing the relationship the way I want it to grow and develop,  I'm hanging on because of the solid Lenny foundation built in the early years and because I still care so much about the fate of this couple who captivated me in Season 1. Crazy, but here I am spending time writing about it.

Hearts, somewhat battered, but still beating strong.

Very well said! This is exactly what "lennish" has always meant to me in case with this comedy. A distinctive and wonderful friendship between two loving, different but unbreakable characters.

[JE7]

44 minutes ago, loverofallnerdythings394 said:

What is going on right now? I'm so confused. 

Just a "controversial" taping report that caused a small riot nothing unusual lol

[Guest]

3 hours ago, luminous said:

I guess that's the moment, when Lenny kiss (according to the TR) in tonight's episode. If this is cut short, and we don't see the kiss, there'll be another riot. That's for sure!

I asked MJistheBOMB and she said we see them kiss (she has seen the finished version of 10.11 at the taping of 10.12). It is short because Raj interrupts them, but still.  And if you think about it, that's kinda the point of the scene. Sheldon and Amy were interrupted while they kissed and so are Leonard and Penny. They can't really cut it out completely because the whole thing wouldn't make sense anymore, especially the car scene later.

[3ku11]

I never started watching because of Lenny  . Have to me honest. I watched because I thought it was the most unique and refreshing sitcom in years. Around s3 Lenny made me watch regularly. But not originally. I think the last taping is such a good thing for Lenny. Am I alone in that? Anyway 

[Tonstar17]

The only thing that annoyed me about the TR is the insertion of Sheldon again in lenny's business and them asking and accepting that stupid RA. Fuck you writers. I just wondered what brought penny to the conclusion that Leonard was taking her for granted. I get that he has in a way with certain comments but also penny too has been taking the relationship for granted more than Leonard ever had. Not supporting her husband and forgetting his birthday comes to mind. that's the annoying part for me. Sometimes when your order half doesn't make an effort. You give up trying and somehow become like them. Not making an effort.

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[3ku11]

29 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

The only thing that annoyed me about the TR is the insertion of Sheldon again in lenny's business and them asking and accepting that stupid RA. Fuck you writers. I just wondered what brought penny to the conclusion that Leonard was taking her for granted. I get that he has in a way with certain comments but also penny too has been taking the relationship for granted more than Leonard ever had. Not supporting her husband and forgetting his birthday comes to mind. that's the annoying part for me. Sometimes when your order half doesn't make an effort. You give up trying and somehow become like them. Not making an effort.

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Well Leonard saying he Doesent have to be attractive he's married line. Cheating on her, she may have suppressed that. Having that dream. Then waking in on him in his whites playing video games. I'm just saying I see Penny's pov. Penny's right. It's not a shocker. Leonard used to try harder. When she moved in. She was his queen. Now years gone by. Marriage does that. You get complacent. So I think it's just the writers way of almost giving Lenny cpr lol. Bringing them bk to life. 

 Penny's already prooven and put investmemt in their marriage. It's time for Leonard to step up now. That's why I love this taping. It's a good development. Clearly I'm one of the few silent voices. And I like Sheldon getting involved this time round. Sheldon knows Lenny better then anyone. And he's not taking over. He's just assisting. Lenny we'll still make the big decisions in their relationship. I'm not saying I disagree with you Ton. Nor do I agree with this premise or storyline at all. I'm just saying Leonard's been complacent for a while now. So who knows this could bring the return of the romance ninja! I'm just saying I can see why Penny was upset. Better that then repressing it.

Edited December 15, 2016 by 3ku11

[Tonstar17]

Well Leonard saying he Doesent have to be attractive he's married line. Cheating on her, she may have suppressed that. Having that dream. Then waking in on him in his whites playing video games. I'm just saying I see Penny's pov. Penny's already prooven and put investmemt in their marriage. It's time for Leonard to step up now. That's why I love this taping. It's a good development. Clearly I'm one of the few silent voices. And I like Sheldon getting involved this time round. Sheldon knows Lenny better then anyone. And he's not taking over. He's just assisting. Lenny we'll still make the big decisions in their relationship.

They both need to put an effort into their marriage it's a two way Street. If the cheating is bothering her bring it up and talk about it or go see a strink.

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[ajond]

5 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

Well Leonard saying he Doesent have to be attractive he's married line. Cheating on her, she may have suppressed that. Having that dream. Then waking in on him in his whites playing video games. I'm just saying I see Penny's pov. Penny's right. It's not a shocker. Leonard used to try harder. When she moved in. She was his queen. Now years gone by. Marriage does that. You get complacent. So I think it's just the writers way of almost giving Lenny cpr lol. Bringing them bk to life. 

 Penny's already prooven and put investmemt in their marriage. It's time for Leonard to step up now. That's why I love this taping. It's a good development. Clearly I'm one of the few silent voices. And I like Sheldon getting involved this time round. Sheldon knows Lenny better then anyone. And he's not taking over. He's just assisting. Lenny we'll still make the big decisions in their relationship.

Hardly a 'silent' voice.