[Spoilers] Lenny:Season 10

[April]

Maybe it helps if you just look at Sheldon's involvement as him being Lenny's secretary or something. He knows how to quickly write up an agreement like that and does it for funsies. Lenny don't. So why not let him do the boring work? What I gather from the TR and clarifications is that this is solely Lenny's idea so I take it they probably gave Sheldon a list with stuff that needs to be in it, he maybe added a few things himself knowing them and all that (I think there was something about Leonard's undies in the TR lol) - and there you go. 

Fingers crossed the writers will actually follow up on that. It feels a bit reminiscent of their beta test - just this one comes with a handy manual!

Edited December 15, 2016 by April

[Chrismo]

5 minutes ago, April said:

Maybe it helps if you just look at Sheldon's involvement as him being Lenny's secretary or something. He knows how to quickly write up an agreement like that and does it for funsies. Lenny don't. So why not let him do the boring work? What I gather from the TR and clarifications is that this is solely Lenny's idea so I take it they probably gave Sheldon a list with stuff that needs to be in it, he maybe added a few things himself knowing them and all that (I think there was something about Leonard's undies in the TR lol) - and there you go. 

Fingers crossed the writers will actually follow up on that. It feels a bit reminiscent of their beta test - just this one comes with a handy manual!

I think my idea on season 10 thread  of JP not making it back from NY for the taping was probably a better idea. Would you want Lenny in Shamy's bedroom with Shamy showing them different sexual positions?

[April]

1 minute ago, Chrismo said:

I think my idea on season 10 thread  of JP not making it back from NY for the taping was probably a better idea. Would you want Lenny in Shamy's bedroom with Shamy showing them different sexual positions?

I honestly have no clue what you are talking about.

[Chrismo]

Just now, April said:

I honestly have no clue what you are talking about.

My point is Sheldon is inserted in situations when he really isn't needed. Since Shamy is new at coitus would it be okay for Lenny to show them better bedroom techniques considering they have much more experience?

[Tonstar17]

I think my idea on season 10 thread  of JP not making it back from NY for the taping was probably a better idea. Would you want Lenny in Shamy's bedroom with Shamy showing them different sexual positions?

WTF are you on about?

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[Tonstar17]

My point is Sheldon is inserted in situations when he really isn't needed. Since Shamy is new at coitus would it be okay for Lenny to show them better bedroom techniques considering they have much more experience?

Seriously don't get where your coming from. Shamy or Lenny don't need to go there. Couples learn to be comfortable with each other. Yes ask for advice but not a 4some. Unless I'm reading it wrong.

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[luminous]

On 9.6.2016 at 4:58 AM, Tensor said:

This is the Lenny Season 10 discussion topic. Spoilers are allowed.  As this is a Ship Zone, Special Rules apply.  Basically, supportive statements about Leonard, Penny, or Lenny, in season 10, are allowed here.  In depth discussion or negative statements of other ships, members of ships is not allowed, or discussion about other seasons  should go into either the season discussion topic, the Shipping Lanes topic or the specific season or non-season 10 discussion.  

 

[Guest]

34 minutes ago, April said:

Fingers crossed the writers will actually follow up on that. It feels a bit reminiscent of their beta test - just this one comes with a handy manual!

I doubt it.

[Tonstar17]

All I want for christmas is for Lenny to be happy and not fighting all the time like we have been given the last two TR. Is that too much to ask for?

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[Guest]

12 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

All I want for christmas is for Lenny to be happy and not fighting all the time like we have been given the last two TR. Is that too much to ask for?

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I don't think they really fought in 10.12. It is just light-hearted banter.

[JohnPhD]

21 hours ago, Earnie said:

The way I see it the writers are treating Lenny as a real married couple who have taken each other for granted every relationship goes thru this they just need to communicate which as we know is a struggle for them and I do agree that Sheldon has no business getting involved. If they had to go to a  3rd party they should have went back to the relationship therapist they met last season when Penny was trying to get her as a client

Well I haven't seen the latest Lenny problems but I think all they need to fix it by themselves is enough screen time.

[Tonstar17]

Well I haven't seen the latest Lenny problems but I think all they need to fix it by themselves is enough screen time.

That's the problem when they do get screen time. It always end up in a fight.

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[5Mississippis]

2 hours ago, April said:

Maybe it helps if you just look at Sheldon's involvement as him being Lenny's secretary or something. He knows how to quickly write up an agreement like that and does it for funsies. Lenny don't. So why not let him do the boring work? What I gather from the TR and clarifications is that this is solely Lenny's idea so I take it they probably gave Sheldon a list with stuff that needs to be in it, he maybe added a few things himself knowing them and all that (I think there was something about Leonard's undies in the TR lol) - and there you go. 

Fingers crossed the writers will actually follow up on that. It feels a bit reminiscent of their beta test - just this one comes with a handy manual!

Thank you kindly but, for me, that doesn't help at all. For me, the issue is that they didn't even try to write for Lenny. Rather than having them try to work out Penny's complaint* in THEIR way -- talking about, making a comprimses, sex, reflecting on the box of Leonard's romantic gestures and saying something like 'let's be that way again' -- we get the writers giving us the Shamy solution of drafting a Relationship Agreement**. That's what SHAMY does, not Lenny. Ridiculous. And once again, Sheldon and Shamy influences are lubed up and inserted right into Lenny. 

*Penny complaint -- in canon, Penny has been shown to be snarky, condescending, eye-rolling, and removing his possessions behind his back when it comes to anything with Leonard. Husband's date of birth? Anyone? And also in canon, Leonard has been shown to be the more demonstrative partner with all the little items that served as emblems of his love (roses, trips home, cars), well, because it was Leonard's job to make Penny happy (her words). So after all this, Leonard playing video games in his underwear sets HER off with a major hissy fit?! WTF?!

**The Leonard and Penny history of written agreements. Not only has Penny called the Roommate Agreement ridiculous, encouraged Leonard to break it, and broke three rules all by herself (a whole show was dedicated to it) and we know how Leonard bitched, moaned, and suffered under the oppressive ridiculousness of the same, so now their idea is to WRITE and LIVE BY ONE?! Beyond comprehension and completely ridiculous.

By foisting a Relationship Agreement on Lenny, the writers made it once again abundantly clear what couple they were actually thinking of when they wrote this and it wasn't Lenny. 

 

Edited December 16, 2016 by 5Mississippis

[JE7]

2 hours ago, 3ku11 said:

Well Leonard saying he Doesent have to be attractive he's married line. Cheating on her, she may have suppressed that. Having that dream. Then waking in on him in his whites playing video games. I'm just saying I see Penny's pov. Penny's right. It's not a shocker. Leonard used to try harder. When she moved in. She was his queen. Now years gone by. Marriage does that. You get complacent. So I think it's just the writers way of almost giving Lenny cpr lol. Bringing them bk to life. 

 Penny's already prooven and put investmemt in their marriage. It's time for Leonard to step up now. That's why I love this taping. It's a good development. Clearly I'm one of the few silent voices. And I like Sheldon getting involved this time round. Sheldon knows Lenny better then anyone. And he's not taking over. He's just assisting. Lenny we'll still make the big decisions in their relationship. I'm not saying I disagree with you Ton. Nor do I agree with this premise or storyline at all. I'm just saying Leonard's been complacent for a while now. So who knows this could bring the return of the romance ninja! I'm just saying I can see why Penny was upset. Better that then repressing it.

Still holding your place as the number 1 penny apologist I see 

45 minutes ago, 5Mississippis said:

Thank you kindly but, for me, that doesn't help at all. For me, the issue is that they didn't even try to write for Lenny. Rather than having them try to work out Penny's complaint* in THEIR way -- talking about, making a comprimses, sex, reflecting on the box of Leonard's romantic gestures and saying something like 'let's be that way again' -- we get the writers giving us the Shamy solution of drafting a Relationship Agreement**. That's what SHAMY does, not Lenny. Ridiculous. And once again, Sheldon and Shamy influences are lubed up and inserted right into Lenny. 

*Penny complaint -- in canon, Penny has been shown to be snarky, condescending, eye-rolling, and removing his possessions behind his back when it comes to anything with Leonard. And also in canon, Leonard has been shown to be the more demonstrative partner with all the little items that served as emblems of his love (roses, trips home, cars), well, because it was Leonard's job to make Penny happy (her words). So after all this, Leonard playing video games in his underwear sets HER off with a major hissy fit?! WTF?!

**The Leonard and Penny history of written agreements. Not only has Penny called the Roommate Agreement ridiculous, encouraged Leonard to break it, and broke three rules all by herself (a whole show was dedicated to it) and we know how Leonard bitched, moaned, and suffered under the oppressive ridiculousness of the same, so now their idea is to WRITE and LIVE BY ONE?! Beyond comprehension and completely ridiculous.

By foisting a Relationship Agreement on Lenny, the writers made it once again abundantly clear what couple they were actually thinking of when they wrote this and it wasn't Lenny. 

 

 

[Chrismo]

2 hours ago, Tonstar17 said:

WTF are you on about?

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Sorry I got interrupted. It was mentioned on the season 10 thread that JP was promoting a movie last Friday in NY. the weather was bad last weekend and I said something like it would be okay if he missed the taping. Obviously on that thread people didn't like that. I didn't mean ill will towards him but IMO it would be a welcome break not seeing him in an episode since he gets all the screen time. Flash forward to the taping and he's writing an RA for Lenny. While I don't see that as the worst I can see people, espicially on this thread, not being happy. April I believe in her earlier post meant well in suggesting thinking of  him as a secretary not as a relationship advisor for Lenny. Obviously IMO that's not gonna fly well on this thread. As we know Sheldon always seems to get in the way of Lenny.  My suggestion to her, and it wasn't written well on my part, is how would you like it if Lenny interrupted Shamy coitus to give sex advice to them since Lenny has much more experience. I'm guessing that interruption wouldn't be received well either.

1 hour ago, JohnPhD said:

Well I haven't seen the latest Lenny problems but I think all they need to fix it by themselves is enough screen time.

I think they have given the couple extra minutes to let Lenny talked that would of been better than Sheldon writing up an RA.

Edited December 16, 2016 by Chrismo

[luminous]

What's happening to this thread? Where's the ship zone, the warm and safe place, to which I could retreat, when the cold winds in the discussion thread became too severe. There are special rules that apply for this thread, right?

I guess, I would be ignored if I would post some Lenny goodness. Posting something nice and positive about Lenny is probably not well received at the moment.

I feel like an outsider in here. Maybe I'm not welcome here anymore.

Edited December 16, 2016 by luminous

[Tonstar17]

Penny get crazy at times but I think she needs to realise that she has a great guy in Leonard and stop been mad at him for stupid reasons or slagging him off behind his back, cause a lot of girls would kill to have a man like him. Leonard has so much love to give. I think Penny is the one that takes the relationship for granted mostly and needs to step up. But as we have been shown for years. Leonard is the fall guy when it comes to Penny & Sheldon. No matter how hard he tries, it's always his fault. It's ironic how we never see much of penny's pov or how she is feeling but get a lot of Leonard's undying love for her. But still Leonard is the one that doesn't try. Not saying Leonard can't do no wrong because he has but his actions speak louder than words and that's why it's so hard to believe this latest story. All I can say is. Writers. Really…

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[Chrismo]

2 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

I agree. Relationship needs two people's work. When one person is not trying, the other one should tries harder or at least talks things out. What Penny does in this episode basically complaining and whining "Why aren't you doing your job, Leonard? Have you forgot that your mission is to make me happy?"

Let's say Penny feels neglected. Then maybe she should do something to improve current situation. You know, maybe she can make some romantic gestures for Leonard. A romantic dinner, a gift, a trip. And I'm sure Leonard will be flattered and ask what's the occasion. Then maybe Penny can tell him how she feels and there can be a heartwarming moment where they have a conversation and resolve the conflicts and promise that they'll BOTH try harder. That's Lenny working things out themselves. And it can also be funny.

 

I think Penny's outburst was very spur of the moment. Lenny was supposed to be going to the spa together. It seemed to be Penny planned. I think that could of/should of been fun. Penny relaxing at a spa. Leonard seeing Penny(naked?) at a spa. I said earlier Penny overreacted but so did Leonard. When Penny said she was taking Amy Leonard IMO should of just said sorry, even if he didn't mean it, and stated he still wanted to go. I think things could of been resolved right there. Even after that didn't happened I think your right they could of resolved themselves talking at the spa. I also think it could of been funny too.  While I may not detest Sheldon's presence as much as others the story didn't need him involved.

[5Mississippis]

Just had a very nice visual. I really think that the only thing that would be redemptive for me regarding the latest taping repot would be if we see a ripped up Relationship Agreement on the bed and Lenny was having sex on it. THEN I'd be OK with this canon. 

[gsxdoug]

13 minutes ago, luminous said:

What's happening to this thread? Where's the ship zone, the warm and safe place, to which I could retreat, when the cold winds in the discussion thread became too severe. There are special rules that apply for this thread, right?

I guess, I would be ignored if I would post some Lenny goodness. Posting something nice and positive about Lenny is probably not well received at the moment.

I feel like an outsider in here. Maybe I'm not welcome here anymore.

I, for one, would welcome you posting some Lenny goodness. 

[luminous]

Just now, gsxdoug said:

I, for one, would welcome you posting some Lenny goodness. 

Thank you! At least one.

[Chrismo]

3 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

Penny get crazy at times but I think she needs to realise that she has a great guy in Leonard and stop been mad at him for stupid reasons or slagging him off behind his back, cause a lot of girls would kill to have a man like him. Leonard has so much love to give. I think Penny is the one that takes the relationship for granted mostly and needs to step up. But as we have been shown for years. Leonard is the fall guy when it comes to Penny & Sheldon. No matter how hard he tries, it's always his fault. It's ironic how we never see much of penny's pov or how she is feeling but get a lot of Leonard's undying love for her. But still Leonard is the one that doesn't try. Not saying Leonard can't do no wrong because he has but his actions speak louder than words and that's why it's so hard to believe this latest story. All I can say is. Writers. Really…

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I don't disagree that Leonard has put a lot more into the relationship but I don't think  it's really acknowledged that Penny has given up a lot more to be in  the relationship. Pennys world revolves around Leonard's world not vice versa.

[JE7]

24 minutes ago, luminous said:

What's happening to this thread? Where's the ship zone, the warm and safe place, to which I could retreat, when the cold winds in the discussion thread became too severe. There are special rules that apply for this thread, right?

I guess, I would be ignored if I would post some Lenny goodness. Posting something nice and positive about Lenny is probably not well received at the moment.

I feel like an outsider in here. Maybe I'm not welcome here anymore.

 

[camelliayao]

10 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

I think Penny's outburst was very spur of the moment. Lenny was supposed to be going to the spa together. It seemed to be Penny planned. I think that could of/should of been fun. Penny relaxing at a spa. Leonard seeing Penny(naked?) at a spa. I said earlier Penny overreacted but so did Leonard. When Penny said she was taking Amy Leonard IMO should of just said sorry, even if he didn't mean it, and stated he still wanted to go. I think things could of been resolved right there. Even after that didn't happened I think your right they could of resolved themselves talking at the spa. I also think it could of been funny too.  While I may not detest Sheldon's presence as much as others the story didn't need him involved.

My point is, it doesn't have to be an angst story from the beginning. The writers can totally talk about the same issue without an outburst or a fight and IMO they should have, considering this is a comedy. And it'll make Penny look better because this way we know she's trying too, not just whining.

[gsxdoug]

I haven't got much saved, but how's this