episodes 1010 'The Property Division Collision' (December 1)

[serena_1995]

18 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

I'm not sure Leonard's lactose intolerance and Sheldon's germ phobia are comparable. lactose intolerance is a medical condition. Sheldon's is not. If Sheldon's condition was real coitus never would of happened.

 

He was able to overcome his issues to engage in kissing, hand holding and intimacy but he still has  germphobia . Otherwise, he would not have struggled with it for so long, in the first place. He would not have had an issue with sharing his toothbrush holder if he did not have germphobia. Leonard's lactose intolerance and Sheldon's issues may not be exactly comparable, but the sentiment behind it remains the same - if you are aware that someone has issues like intimacy or germs, it is cruel to mock it.  I hate germs too, so maybe I'm biased but if my friends know about it, I would have preferred for them to be more sensitive. 

Edited December 2, 2016 by serena_1995

[April]

This was Shelnard's version of Panty Pinata and as thus it certainly did what it set out to do - to pit Sheldon and Leonard against each other in the same kind of ridiculous one-upmanship in petty revenge, complete with throw back jokes to changing wi-fi passwords and waving around underwear. I mean, seriously.

I honestly don't care about putting blame on one person only cause they are both at fault. Sheldon for being so selfish in the first place and Leonard for being so stupid to provoke him. I'm all for Leonard standing up for himself but if you just want Sheldon to leave you in peace then using the flag to hurt his feelings is not the way to go. Of course he would retaliate - that's what you get when you poke the bear! And thus hilarity ensues - or at least for those who still find this stuff amusing, which I did very much so.

Speaking of throwbacks, I loved everything involving this portrait! What a show stealer prop! LOL And much like Shelnard had their #TBT Pamy did as well with the painting and it's fun to see how much has changes for those two friendships over time. <3

I didn't expect much from the CL appearance after reading the TR so was fine with his part. Again, funniest thing had to do with the painting and him complimenting it. Him helping to solve the Shelnard conflict felt a bit cringy and too much out of left field, but then again Amy's commentary had me chuckle a bit so whatevs, I'm fine.

Overall good episode, not my fave this season by a long shot but then again that isn't saying much since I loved so many S10 episodes already.

[No Regrets]

15 minutes ago, serena_1995 said:

Here's the thing. Leonard has all the right to stand up for himself, but, no matter what psychological reasons he might have,  that still does NOT give him a right to mock a medical condition. Sheldon has germ phobia/OCD and Leonard's antics for defiling the flag were plain cruel, knowing that Sheldon suffers from that condition.

Which is why I said it wasn't funny. I'm just happy about the fact that Leonard finally decided to not just accept Sheldon's BS. 

[Vittoria Jacoel]

The episode was good. Flag's part was was very Hilarious![emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]when they make peace was very touching!


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[john2p]

2 hours ago, serena_1995 said:

 

Here's the thing. Leonard has all the right to stand up for himself, but, no matter what psychological reasons he might have,  that still does NOT give him a right to mock a medical condition. Sheldon has germ phobia/OCD and Leonard's antics for defiling the flag were plain cruel, knowing that Sheldon suffers from that condition.

How would you feel if Sheldon forced Leonard to eat dairy and milk products, knowing that he is lactose intolerant ?  I also don't think jokes about Stuart's suicidal  tendencies and depression are particularly funny. I'm all for mean spirited jokes and dark humor, but those are neither dark nor mean - just cruel and tasteless. 

Here is my thing. I lived and worked with people who had OCD-Asperger and other forms of autism. And yes life is difficult for the people suffering with that kind of diseases. But very seldom the other side of the coin is cleared. The people who has to deal with their loved ones with autism etc. Always keep in eye the needs of them, and your own needs aside. It gives no right, but it is VERY understandble. Lets look it this way. IF Sheldon has those diseases, than Leonard suffers with his. Someone growing up with a mother like that, has closely a personality disorder, attachment problems etc. Why can´t Sheldon keep a deal with that. Why is it always, yes Sheldon has OCD so everyone needs to deal with his condition. Where Leonard suffers with his condition and Sheldon does ALWAYS mock him?

Edited December 2, 2016 by john2p

[serena_1995]

31 minutes ago, john2p said:

Here is my thing. I lived and worked with people who had OCD-Asperger and other forms of autism. And yes life is difficult for the people suffering with that kind of diseases. But very seldom the other side of the coin is cleared. The people who has to deal with their loved ones with autism etc. Always keep in eye the needs of them, and your own needs aside. It gives no right, but it is VERY understandble. Lets look it this way. IF Sheldon has those diseases, than Leonard suffers with his. Someone growing up with a mother like that, has closely a personality disorder, attachment problems etc. Why can´t Sheldon keep a deal with that. Why is it always, yes Sheldon has OCD so everyone needs to deal with his condition. Where Leonard suffers with his condition and Sheldon does ALWAYS mock him?

 

Please tell me where  I said Sheldon should mock Leonard or his problems ?  BOTH  are wrong.  Saying "I thought what Leonard did was wrong/tasteless",   is not the same as saying "I thought what  Sheldon did/does is correct". Not even close. Two wrongs don't make a right anyway. 

[veejay]

Sorry, I really don’t know what to say about this episode…

...maybe: "Stay away from the holy kitchen island? "

[john2p]

13 minutes ago, serena_1995 said:

 

Please tell me where  I said Sheldon should mock Leonard or his problems ?  BOTH  are wrong.  Saying "I thought what Leonard did was wrong/tasteless",   is not the same as saying "I thought what  Sheldon did/does is correct". Not even close. Two wrongs don't make a right anyway. 

Than I have misunderstood you. I think we agree on both matters. 

[djsurrey]

41 minutes ago, veejay said:

Sorry, I really don’t know what to say about this episode…

...maybe: "Stay away from the holy kitchen island? "

Like the gif.

 

[JE7]

5 hours ago, serena_1995 said:

Sorry but Leonard's also degraded Sheldon's genuine interest in flags.Sheldon clearly put a lot of thought in designing the flag and the symbolism about it. It meant nothing to Leonard to the point that he actually rubbed his dick on it . How is that not equally disrespectful ?And if Sheldon is indeed paying for 4A WiFi, he has a right to change the password. 

Both were being petty  and I'm not just going to single out Sheldon simply because it is more acceptable to hate on Sheldon for some reason.

 Also mocking someone's germ phobias and OCD is NOT funny.  OCD is a disease and Sheldon's germ phobia is a pathological condition. Rubbing your dick in it is beyond tasteless and causes physical harm to the person who suffers from that condition.

Like I said, there were  plenty of  OTHER ways for Leonard to get back at Sheldon. This one was neither funny nor enjoyable. 

Got it Leonard is a complete ass for no reason and poor innocent/sick/child like/whatever excuse Sheldon just has to put up with it all the time. It's just not fair!

And yea that is sarcasm.....

Edited December 2, 2016 by JE7

[Jonny]

2 minutes ago, JE7 said:

Got it Leonard is a complete ass for no reason and poor Sheldon innocent  just has to put up with it.

And yea that is sarcasm.....

They were both 'asses' in this episode, unless you think rubbing your genitalia on an object you don't give a fuck about but someone does is a reasonable way of responding?

Where are these posts of people condoning Sheldon's behavior? I think everyone says Sheldon was wrong. But I don't see how you can criticize him for it but not Leonard. Both can be at fault no matter who started it.

[JE7]

That is THE APARTMENT FLAG FOR 4A it goes with the apt. and Leonard picked it to keep so he was rubbing his junk on HIS OWN PROPERTY.

The main problem with this episode is the same problem with the show as a whole, to much pandering to the cult of sheldon

15 minutes ago, Jonny said:

 

Where are these posts of people condoning Sheldon's behavior? I think everyone says Sheldon was wrong.

Look on any page of this thread and no everyone dosent they excuse it as 'he has a condition"

Edited December 2, 2016 by JE7
Pardon me Sir can I tell you about The Church Of Sheldon?

[john2p]

29 minutes ago, Jonny said:

They were both 'asses' in this episode, unless you think rubbing your genitalia on an object you don't give a fuck about but someone does is a reasonable way of responding?

Where are these posts of people condoning Sheldon's behavior? I think everyone says Sheldon was wrong. But I don't see how you can criticize him for it but not Leonard. Both can be at fault no matter who started it.

Well if I may speak for myself. There are too many problems dealing with Sheldon. a. He always starts mocking Leonard. Yes maybe Leonard should stop whining and should know better after all these years. But seeing the episode where S. gets jealous, and where Leonard tries to help him by taking him out. Sheldon must talk negative again about Leonards professional achievements instead of being thankful about it that L. wants to help. Ergo To me Leonard is being nicer to S. as the other way around. Or S. must travel his own Odyssee again to admit his faults.

b. the character change. Sheldon looks like he evolved (positively). Especially to Amy. He is more " human". If that is true, than he can take more responsiblity over his behavior and feelings. If he truly "feels" for Leonard, I think he can start showing it. Instead of start mocking.

c. I can totally relate to the behavior of Leonard in this case. If you look at the sequence, he already gives Sheldon everything he wants. Than only because of Amy´s mediation Sheldon looks like he is giving in too. But no it is fake. He must argue and whine about the flag. Yes sure it is important to him. But yet again he acts different as what he first says. Where Leonard was honestly giving Sheldon everything.

d. ergo everything is very unbalanced imo between Sheldon and Leonard.

e. And that is the fault of the writers-producers, who want TBBT equal to the Sheldon Show

f. I know it´s a sitcom, so they won´t change this dynamics, because they think it is funny.

g. Leonard is certainly no angel, his biggest fault he has streched his borders and limits too far for Sheldon. So he must grow a backbone.

 

Edited December 2, 2016 by john2p

[serena_1995]

29 minutes ago, JE7 said:

That is THE APARTMENT FLAG FOR 4A it goes with the apt. and Leonard picked it to keep so he was rubbing his junk on HIS OWN PROPERTY.

The main problem with this episode is the same problem with the show as a whole, to much pandering to the cult of sheldon

Look on any page of this thread and no everyone dosent they excuse it as 'he has a condition"

As opposed to pandering to the cult of Leonard ? Lol

[Tonstar17]

There was only one dick in that episode and it was Sheldon. He was greedy, wanted it all and selfish. No change there. Changing the WiFi password and renting out his room is illegal. He is not the landlord. All because Leonard wanted to keep the flag to piss him off because he was been a jerk. Sheldon took it to the extreme as usual. What a nob. And whatever leonard does with it has fuck all to do with Sheldon. He gave it up.

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[camelliayao]

Honestly I'm just glad it's Leonard who has conflicts with Sheldon this time. Because no matter what Sheldon does, the other person must be the one who's more wrong. If it's not Leonard, then it's, well, Amy (Penny usually is in the baby sitter role). Leonard took one for the team this week, team "let's-see-who's-turn-it-is-for-Sheldon-to-be-an-ass-to-and-for-Sheldon-fans-to-put-the-blame-on". Salute to Leonard!

[serena_1995]

10 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

Honestly I'm just glad it's Leonard who has conflicts with Sheldon this time. Because no matter what Sheldon does, the other person must be the one who's more wrong. If it's not Leonard, then it's, well, Amy (Penny usually is in the baby sitter role). Leonard took one for the team this week, team "let's-see-who's-turn-it-is-for-Sheldon-to-be-an-ass-to-and-for-Sheldon-fans-to-put-the-blame-on". Salute to Leonard!

 

It is quite possible for one to believe that both Leonard and Sheldon are in the wrong ,  which is how I felt . 

Edited December 2, 2016 by serena_1995

[camelliayao]

11 minutes ago, serena_1995 said:

 

It is possible for one to believe that both were in the wrong ,  which is how I felt . 

Well then I must be reading your posts wrong because that's clearly not what I got from them. 

[RJ1013]

There were a few nice moments, but I found a lot of this episode disappointing. I’m not fond of these episodes where there’s lots of infighting and bickering among the characters. It tends to make everyone involved look bad, and worst of all, it’s just not that funny.

There was potential in the idea of Sheldon and Leonard sorting out their stuff. The way it was handled, though, felt sloppy and illogical. For weeks (months?), Sheldon has been compromising well enough to succeed at living in a tiny apartment with Amy. He hasn’t shown any previous interest in taking stuff from 4A, not even the couch with his beloved spot. For these reasons, I found his sudden, extreme selfishness out of place with what we’ve been seeing. 

Leonard’s responses felt off to me too. He gave in right away, even going so far as to tell Sheldon to take anything, not even trying to suggest they compromise. The reason given was that he didn’t want to bother arguing. But then seconds later, in the very same scene, he helped create a big fight anyway. None of it made sense, and their ensuing attempts to upset each other didn’t seem to have any purpose either. It all came across like a forced, manufactured scenario. And then we got the nonsensical resolution of Theodore claiming it was all about love to finish things off. 

The bright point of the week, for me, was the stuff with the painting. That kind of mild conflict is funnier to me because of the underlying good nature of it. On one hand, there was Amy, returning ‘the greatest gift she’s ever given’ to its rightful owner, and on the other hand there was Penny, obviously not wanting it back, but too kind-hearted to be willing to hurt her friend’s feelings. That fit their characters well, felt natural, and was fun to watch.

Raj, Howard, and Bernadette have been feeling like a separate show this season. I haven’t really enjoyed Raj’s sad role in all of that, and now they’ve doubled down on the awkwardness by cramming in Stuart as a fourth wheel. All we seemed to gain from that addition was some more petty bickering among characters and Howard left looking lazy. I like these characters, but they weren’t at their best this week.

I’ve enjoyed most of the episodes this season, so I’m hoping this week’s subpar episode was just an anomaly.

[john2p]

4 minutes ago, RJ1013 said:

There were a few nice moments, but I found a lot of this episode disappointing. I’m not fond of these episodes where there’s lots of infighting and bickering among the characters. It tends to make everyone involved look bad, and worst of all, it’s just not that funny.

There was potential in the idea of Sheldon and Leonard sorting out their stuff. The way it was handled, though, felt sloppy and illogical. For weeks (months?), Sheldon has been compromising well enough to succeed at living in a tiny apartment with Amy. He hasn’t shown any previous interest in taking stuff from 4A, not even the couch with his beloved spot. For these reasons, I found his sudden, extreme selfishness out of place with what we’ve been seeing. 

Leonard’s responses felt off to me too. He gave in right away, even going so far as to tell Sheldon to take anything, not even trying to suggest they compromise. The reason given was that he didn’t want to bother arguing. But then seconds later, in the very same scene, he helped create a big fight anyway. None of it made sense, and their ensuing attempts to upset each other didn’t seem to have any purpose either. It all came across like a forced, manufactured scenario. And then we got the nonsensical resolution of Theodore claiming it was all about love to finish things off. 

The bright point of the week, for me, was the stuff with the painting. That kind of mild conflict is funnier to me because of the underlying good nature of it. On one hand, there was Amy, returning ‘the greatest gift she’s ever given’ to its rightful owner, and on the other hand there was Penny, obviously not wanting it back, but too kind-hearted to be willing to hurt her friend’s feelings. That fit their characters well, felt natural, and was fun to watch.

Raj, Howard, and Bernadette have been feeling like a separate show this season. I haven’t really enjoyed Raj’s sad role in all of that, and now they’ve doubled down on the awkwardness by cramming in Stuart as a fourth wheel. All we seemed to gain from that addition was some more petty bickering among characters and Howard left looking lazy. I like these characters, but they weren’t at their best this week.

I’ve enjoyed most of the episodes this season, so I’m hoping this week’s subpar episode was just an anomaly.

I think you pretty nailed this episode with all it´s negative and positive descriptions. I too hope next weeks episode picks it up in the line of the earlier episodes. Which felt more lighthearted and with more tempo.

[Tonstar17]

I just love the way that the comparison of what Sheldon did and what Leonard did are the same. Not.. what Leonard did was minor compared to Sheldon disregard for Leonard & Lenny”s home.

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[sarah7]

7 hours ago, serena_1995 said:

 

He was able to overcome his issues to engage in kissing, hand holding and intimacy but he still has  germphobia . Otherwise, he would not have struggled with it for so long, in the first place. He would not have had an issue with sharing his toothbrush holder if he did not have germphobia. Leonard's lactose intolerance and Sheldon's issues may not be exactly comparable, but the sentiment behind it remains the same - if you are aware that someone has issues like intimacy or germs, it is cruel to mock it.  I hate germs too, so maybe I'm biased but if my friends know about it, I would have preferred for them to be more sensitive. 

But Sheldon was also able to overcome that same issues quite easily when he wanted to anger Howard by rubbing his ass on his car! He wasn't being "sensitive" at all that time, and he was doing basically the same thing Leonard did with the flag! where were his extreme and delicate issues back then? so, if you are afraid of clowns you can't resist to see other people in disguise, but you don't have a problem with wearing the disguise yourself? as far as I know, phobias don't work that way.

Let's not give Sheldon's germphobia more gravitas than it really has, it goes and get back at the writers whim, and, as I see it, Leonard rubbing his junk on Sheldon's precious flag is not an act of extreme cruelty against an impaired person, it's just one more chance the writers took to use one of their (apparently) favorite jokes. And, disgusting as it was, it allowed Leonard to be the wacky one for once and we got a cute little dance

Edited December 2, 2016 by sarah7

[Zephon75]

It was a okay episode nothing great but quite enjoyable,but just seemed to be about fighting you had Leonard & Sheldon fighting over stuff and Raj & Stewart about who was the third wheel.I did find Leonard wearing apartment flag as a toga quite funny,didn't like Sheldon's revenge like Penny said he went over the line.I was kind of hoping that we where going to see  4A become a amalgamation of Leonard & Penny's stuff but all we got was that awful painting,i forgot how bad that looked.Also i noticed Penny's photos have gone from the fridge in 4B but aren't on the fridge in 4A curious to know if we'll see them again.As for Bernie going into labour will that be the story for the next episode or will the baby be already born i guess i'll have to wait and see

[April]

6 minutes ago, sarah7 said:

But Sheldon was also able to overcome that same issues quite easily when he wanted to anger Howard by rubbing his ass on his car! He wasn't being "sensitive" at all that time, and he was doing basically the same thing Leonard did with the flag! where were his extreme and delicate issues back then? so, if you are afraid of clowns you can't resist to see other people in disguise, but you don't have a problem with wearing the disguise yourself? as far as I know, phobias don't work that way.

Let's not give Sheldon's germphobia more gravitas than it really has, it goes and get back at the writers whim, and, as I see it, Leonard rubbing his junk on Sheldon's precious flag is not an act of extreme cruelty against an impaired person, it's just one more chance the writers took to use one of their (apparently) favorite jokes. And, disgusting as it was, it allowed Leonard to be the wacky one for once and we got a cute little dance

I agree.

What hurt Sheldon more in that scene was the general mistreatment of the flag. I mean seriously, Leonard defiling the flag this way goes against flag etiquette which Sheldon holds dear as he is both a stickler for rules and a flag aficionado.

[JE7]

Skipping the delivery and just having the baby show up would be taking the easy way and shorting the Howardette story from its deserved spotlight.

So naturally that's what they will do

Edited December 2, 2016 by JE7