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Thanks @Tensor, it's always very interesting to read your posts? I have a question: do you have any data about the group scenes, for example scenes were all the characters  (or 5-6 of them) are in 4A for takeaway dinner? I felt that was one of the things which changed the most since the early seasons, for some reason it's more and more rare to have the seven of them in the same room...

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Mirs, you can find those under "Cast".  Those are almost all either in 4A or The Cheesecake Factory, or a hospital. If a scene has 6 of the cast(even if there were eight of them, like when Priya was around) it's counts as cast. 

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16 minutes ago, Tensor said:

Mirs, you can find those under "Cast".  Those are almost all either in 4A or The Cheesecake Factory, or a hospital. If a scene has 6 of the cast(even if there were eight of them, like when Priya was around) it's counts as cast. 

I think you mean "Gang" - "Cast" is nowhere to be found on your sheets.

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4 minutes ago, April said:

I think you mean "Gang" - "Cast" is nowhere to be found on your sheets.

Actually, it is found on my paper sheets, I have no idea why I changed it to gang on the spreadsheet.  :scratchhead:

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1 hour ago, Jonny said:

Fascinating study again kudos Tensor for putting the effort in to do this!

Most surprising and standout thing to me? Probably Penny's screentime, all the talk of the big three and yet her screen time is like pretty much the same as Howard and Raj's. I would expected that gap to be wider considering Sheldon/Leonard/Penny live near each other so even the small interactions add up.

Yes, same for me. Especially for the first seasons I would have expected her screen time to be more equal. In terms of screen time it's more and more like "the big 2" instead of "the big 3".

49 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

Thanks @Tensor, it's always very interesting to read your posts? I have a question: do you have any data about the group scenes, for example scenes were all the characters  (or 5-6 of them) are in 4A for takeaway dinner? I felt that was one of the things which changed the most since the early seasons, for some reason it's more and more rare to have the seven of them in the same room...

Gang time went down from S2 to S3. But S3/4 times are pretty equal to S9/10. What went down massively though is the guys' time.

9 minutes ago, Tensor said:

Actually, it is found on my paper sheets, I have no idea why I changed it to gang on the spreadsheet.  :scratchhead:

Happens to the best of us! ;D

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Here are the season eight numbers usual disclaimers apply.  I don't guarantee I didn't make a mistake, but it should be pretty damn close.  

The average show time, per episode, in season eight, was 19:55.  This was more than season 9 (19:20) and season 10 (19.10).  But it was less than seasons 2, 3 and 4 (average of 20:45, with 10:15 in commercials).  Season eight averaged 11:05 of commercials.  As you can see, the drop in the amount of show time, and the increase in commercial time continued.  Now, remember, season 8,9 and 10 ran in 31 minute slots, so commercial time is still higher than seasons 2,3 and 4, even though the show time is shorter.  

 

Here is the percentage, for each of the characters, of total screen time for Season 3.  There's a couple of surprises here:

  • Sheldon             55%   
  • Leonard             48%   
  • Penny                38%
  • Howard              36%    
  • Raj                     35%   
  • Amy                   30%
  • Bernadette         25%     
  • Stuart                   5%
  • Emily                    3%

 

I don't have a previous year to compare (I'll be doing season seven, after doing five and six, so I'll just jump into comparisons between the average of season 2/3/4 and the average of season 9/10.  Just a note, I will not be comparing Amy and Bernadette's time from seasons 2/3/4, simply as they don't really have much time.  

Cast time was 19:15 and the Girls had 18:20.  The guys pulled in 42 and a half minutes.  

Here is the comparison to the averages for seasons 2/3/4 and  9 /10:

                                                                                                                       Change from (in %)

                                       Sea 8           Sea 2/3/4              Sea 9/10               Sea   2/3            Sea  9-10 

  • Sheldon                  55%                68%                55%                            -13                    --
  • Leonard                  48%                63%                45%                            -15                   +3
  • Penny                     38%                40%                38%                              -2                     --
  • Howard                   36%                44%                35%                              -8                    +1
  • Raj                          35%                43%                31%                              -8                    +4
  • Amy                         30%                                       38%                              --                     -8
  • Bernadette              25%                                        26%                               --                    -1    

 

As expected, the times are less than seasons 2/3/4 and more than seasons 9/10, except for Amy and Bernadette.  Their time increase in seasons 9/10, but their roles expanded, Amy's more than Bernadette's.    Sheldon and Leonard loss around 14% of their screen time, in season 8,  from the earlier years.  Sheldon's time stayed the same from seasons 9/10, while Leonard's time continued to fall.   Howard and Raj's time fell from the earlier seasons by 8% and both their times were higher than in seasons 9/10.  Howard's time fell by less, I would think because of the pregnancy storyline.  Penny's time fell the least from season's 2/3/4, but remember, she lost two episodes and most of another due to her broken leg.  Her and Sheldon's time didn't drop from season 8 to seasons 9/10.

Couples time was a surprise for me, at least until I went back to look at something else.  Shamy lead couple time with 78 minutes, Lenny was second with 77 minutes, Howardette was at  51 minutes and Ramily came in with 9 minutes.  It was much less close when considering alone time.  Shamy was first with 38 minutes, Lenny had 23 minutes, Howardette had 12 minutes and Ramily had 3.  

 One thing didn't change.  Lenny had 3:20 alone in the season final, which pushed them past Shenny.  After 23 episodes, Shenny had 21:40, while Lenny had 19:50.  

As for other pairings (remember these are only from alone time), we had 

As for other pairings, (and remember, the following is only counted when the pairing is alone, on screen.    Sheldon and Leonard led, with 33 minutes.  As mentioned, Sheldon and Penny had 21minutes.   After those two couples, the time drops off, down to seven minutes and change for Raj/Sheldon and Howard/Sheldon.

As I said, I went back to check on something.  Lenny's generally (there are exceptions) dislike season eight intensely (hence the moniker "season hate"), because of the perceived lack of Lenny time and/or plots.  But the overall times don't really support that (except for there being more Shenny time, then Lenny time, up until the final).   The number of Plots however appear to be a factor, but I won't know for sure until I run the previous three seasons (5/6/7).  That thing I checked on was what was going on during the times listed as a couple, vs alone time.  During season eight, more than half the Lenny non-alone time was simply them in the background, vs Shamy, where the majority of their non-alone time had them talking or moving the plot forward.  

I'm going to revisit this once I get the next three seasons done.  

I now have the the first third (season 2/3/4) and the last third (seasons 8/9/10) done.  I'll be starting on season 5 in the next couple of days.  

Real life no longer should intrude.  Our inoperative Air Conditioner (remember, I'm in Florida) was replaced today.   I've got everything done, and our anniversary trip is over, so I should have time.  (however our sprinkler system's manifold appears to have broken), and I'm now writing a new fan fic, but overall, I should start on season 5, sometime in the next couple of days. 

As usual, have fun poking around the numbers, and if you see something that doesn't look right, or if you have questions, just ask.

Tensor

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Amazing job @Tensor! And I think number of plots is an interesting and important factor. 

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7 minutes ago, bfm said:

Amazing job @Tensor! And I think number of plots is an interesting and important factor. 

While it is an important factor, I am trying to stay with time, simply because if you use plots, then you get into what's a good plot, what's a bad plot, what counts as a plot.  The only reason I mention it (and looked into it further) was Lenny's generally think season eight wasn't a very good season for them.  And the raw numbers don't support that contention (and this is coming from someone who this season eight was a disaster for Lenny).  

However, it was almost three quarters of the season before they kissed, which would be unusual for a couple who was engaged, and something Lenny's were puzzled about.   We have Sheldon and Penny having more time alone onscreen than Lenny (up until the last episode), and we have Shamy who have almost double the time of Lenny (again up until the last episode).  I think all of that, along with the plots are  part of the reasoning for why it was such a bad season.

 All that said, I wish to keep this thread geared toward screen time, and not other more subjective things.   If anyone want to actually discuss that, please start another thread for now.  

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1 hour ago, Tensor said:

While it is an important factor, I am trying to stay with time, simply because if you use plots, then you get into what's a good plot, what's a bad plot, what counts as a plot.  The only reason I mention it (and looked into it further) was Lenny's generally think season eight wasn't a very good season for them.  And the raw numbers don't support that contention (and this is coming from someone who this season eight was a disaster for Lenny).  

However, it was almost three quarters of the season before they kissed, which would be unusual for a couple who was engaged, and something Lenny's were puzzled about.   We have Sheldon and Penny having more time alone onscreen than Lenny (up until the last episode), and we have Shamy who have almost double the time of Lenny (again up until the last episode).  I think all of that, along with the plots are  part of the reasoning for why it was such a bad season.

 All that said, I wish to keep this thread geared toward screen time, and not other more subjective things.   If anyone want to actually discuss that, please start another thread for now.  

I understand your choice and I think you are right about season 8. I also think season 10 is not far better than 8 in respect to Lenny and there too it is a lot about the subjective measure because the fighting got many very disappointed (to say the very very least).

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1 hour ago, bfm said:

I understand your choice and I think you are right about season 8. I also think season 10 is not far better than 8 in respect to Lenny and there too it is a lot about the subjective measure because the fighting got many very disappointed (to say the very very least).

And subjective is what I was trying to get away from with this (or at least minimize the subjective part by laying out how I was going to do it prior to starting.  

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Putting the alone time numbers into perspective though:

               Shenny               Lenny               Shamy

S2              57:49                36:03                  --:--

S3              44:10                25:44                  --:--

S4              30:19                11:55                20:19                    

S8              21:40                23:14                38:35

S9              05:45                23:04                45:25

S10            09:25                22:00                54:45

First of all: Shenny had massively more alone screen time than Lenny in the first third of the show. S8 looks like a victory for Lenny by comparison cause fucking finally Penny spends more time with Leonard alone than with Sheldon if only by a small margin. Of course this is missing S5-7 so it will be interesting how the numbers end up there, but:

Secondly: Lenny's alone times have been pretty consistent through all seasons when they were a couple. The difference between the lowest and highest seasons here are less than 4 min. Chances are the numbers for S5-7 will hover around the 20-something numbers as well. With the exception of S2 Lenny have never been the couple that spends a massive amount of screen time alone - they do have solid total numbers though which makes sense cause from a writers point of view they're the straight guys of the show and their comedic strength is to react to all the shenanigans around them and as characters they're the more socially inclined core at the centre of the gang so that you see them pretty often as a couple when they're hanging out with others during whatever plot of the week.

Thirdly: Yes, it's the Shamy show and it's only getting better/worse depending on your personal taste. The only time they didn't surpass Shenny or Lenny alone time is in S4 when Amy wasn't even in like almost half of the season. And even then they easily end up in the ballpark of Lenny's average couple alone-time. I wouldn't be surprised if S5-7 will have numbers for them in the 30-something range as well cause Shamy have always been the couple that the writers had an easy time throwing together for one of their quirky solo stories, be it something science related, their FwF show or even just relationship stuff. From a writers point of view they were conceived as the couple that genuinely enjoys each other's company (as in: before Amy nobody really liked to hang out with Sheldon if they could avoid it and vice versa) and they're like the weirdo couple of the gang that do their own thing.

My two cents on the matter...

P.s.: As always, thanks a ton for your hard work, @Tensor!!

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Thanks for the latest stats Tensor and once again for all your hard work!

They continue to be illuminating. :)

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7 hours ago, Tensor said:

And subjective is what I was trying to get away from with this (or at least minimize the subjective part by laying out how I was going to do it prior to starting.  

Again, I am not arguing with your choice. I just think that the data shows that the subjective factors may agravates a lot of Lennys much more than screen time. Of course screen time is a factor but subjective factors may be much stronger.

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23 hours ago, April said:

Putting the alone time numbers into perspective though:

               Shenny               Lenny               Shamy

S2              57:49                36:03                  --:--

S3              44:10                25:44                  --:--

S4              30:19                11:55                20:19                    

S8              21:40                23:14                38:35

S9              05:45                23:04                45:25

S10            09:25                22:00                54:45

 

curious,  why did you leave out Shelnard alone time while comparing  screen time to Lenny ? Both are Shenny and Shelnard are pairings with considerable time,  though . but  It seems Shelnard had more time than Shenny in seasons 4,8, 9 and 10.   I didn't get your statement about Lenny finally having a victory in season 8 because Penny spent more time with Leonard than she did with Sheldon. Shelnard still appears to have more alone time than Lenny in s8.  It seems, using that logic, in s8, Leonard spent more time with Sheldon, than he did with Penny, so how is it a victory for Lenny?

However, it appears, that it is in season 9 and 10(which many Lenny shippers here don’t seem to like), that Lenny actually had more alone time than both Shelnard and Shenny, (but here also Shelnard had more time than Shenny). Whereas in season 3, when Lenny first got together, their alone time was less than both Shenny and Shelnard.

s3: Shenny(44.10)> Shelnard(32.19)>Lenny(25.44)

s4: Shelnard(38.09) > Shenny(30.19)>Lenny(11.55)

s8: Shelnard(32.59)>Lenny(23.14)>Shenny(21.40)

s9: Lenny(23.04)> Shelnard(17.19)> Shenny(5.45)

s10: Lenny(22) > Shelnard(10.05) > Shenny(9.25) 

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33 minutes ago, serena_1995 said:

curious, is there any particular reason why you left out Shelnard alone time while comparing  screen time to Lenny ? Both are Shenny and Shelnard are pairings with considerable time,  though . but  It seems Shelnard had more time than Shenny in seasons 4,8, 9 and 10.   I didn't get your statement about Lenny finally having a victory in season 8 because Penny spent more time with Leonard than she did with Sheldon. Shelnard still appears to have more alone time than Lenny in s8.  It seems, using that logic, in s8, Leonard spent more time with Sheldon, than he did with Penny, so how is it a victory for Lenny?

However, it appears, that it is in season 9 and 10(which many Lenny shippers here don’t seem to like), that Lenny actually had more alone time than both Shelnard and Shenny, (but here also Shelnard had more time than Shenny). Whereas in season 3, when Lenny first got together, their alone time was less than both Shenny and Shelnard.

s3: Shenny(44.10)> Shelnard(32.19)>Lenny(25.44)

s4: Shelnard(38.09) > Shenny(30.19)>Lenny(11.55)

s8: Shelnard(32.59)>Lenny(23.14)>Shenny(21.40)

s9: Lenny(23.04)> Shelnard(17.19)> Shenny(5.45)

s10: Lenny(22) > Shelnard(10.05) > Shenny(9.25) 

 I think you're right about considering Selnard. I guess since we are looking at romantic couples the tendency is to look at other female-male pairings but that is incorrect because Shenny, just like Shelnard, is a friendship pairing.

And I don't think alone time is all that matters. It is important and I woild like more alone time for Lenny. However, they can have good time with others too. I liked the Lenny-Howardette time this season and in season 6 there are some scenes that many find Lenny adorable in but will not count as alone time ("The Closet Reconfiguratiom", "The Bon Voyage Reaction"). And again, subjective factors play a key part. If any addition of alone time for Lenny will be them fighting over nothing without a reason or resolution then I rather not have it.

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8 hours ago, serena_1995 said:

curious,  why did you leave out Shelnard alone time while comparing  screen time to Lenny?

Because that's what Tensor was talking about in his post earlier, obviously. So maybe ask him?

ETA: Honestly,  there have been many discussions about the demise of Lenny and specifically the screen time and even more specifically their alone time has been suspected to be one of the reasons, e.g. "Lenny spend no time together anymore!!" etc etc. And the comparison of Sheldon and Penny's screen time in S8 (aka "Season Hate" among Lennies) has been a specific point of criticism many many times. Hence why I was specifically commenting on these points.

In all those discussions I haven't seen anybody be mad at Shelnard spending time alone together. There is no doubt to me that the focus on Shenny is in part because of the long shipping rivalry (there are not many Shenny fans on the forum these days but things went pretty tense in the past, to say the least) and maybe even a bit of unreasonable issues about male-female friendships. So no, it's not that I personally have this focus - I'm just reacting to the general discussions/vibe in the fandom.

Anyway, the jury is still out on S5-7 and it sure will break the pattern. So my post above won't be having that much relevance anyway.

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I want to go back to the first post:

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This thread is for discussion of my Screen Time Project.  If you wish to discuss what you consider quality, please start another thread for that.  

so please, if you must talk about quality time or subjective factors, please start anoher thread.  I'm specifically ignoring those factors here, simply because your quality time is not my quality time. 

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I'm sorry, I never did unhide season five, I've done that now. A thanks to April for pointing that out.   I've got season six done, and have started season seven.  I'm hoping to get to the season posts for five and six today or tomorrow. 

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Lenny's alone time in season 5 is interesting. Maybe the writers felt they had to try more then, when Lenny were on a "beta test". 

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50 minutes ago, bfm said:

Lenny's alone time in season 5 is interesting. Maybe the writers felt they had to try more then, when Lenny were on a "beta test". 

Looking at the single episode numbers there is only one episode after Beta Test I would consider having a Lenny plot - namely Launch Acceleration when they take their test to the next level and Leonard proposed during sex. The high numbers come from the bird episode where they go out as friends and the 100th episode that was all a dream and then Beta Test itself.

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Here are the Season Five Numbers, usual disclaimers apply.  I don't guarantee I didn't make a mistake, but it should be pretty damn close.  

The average show time, per episode, in season 5, was 20:42, with 9:18 of ad time.   This is closer  to season 2-4, at 20:45 with 9:15 of ad time, to call them the same. This was quite a bit higher than seasons 8-10, where the average episode time was 19:30, with 11:30 of commercials.   The big jump in ad time is due both the shorter run time, and the addition of another minute to the slot time.  

Here is the percentage, for each of the characters, of total screen time for Season 5.  There's a couple of surprises here:

  • Sheldon             59%      
  • Leonard             54%      
  • Howard              40%     
  • Raj                     35%    
  • Penny                32%    
  • Amy                   24%    
  • Bernadette         20%         

 

Interestingly, all the guys times dropped from the previous year.   Two of the women's time (Amy and Bernadette's)  increased (by around 5%), and Penny's stayed the same.   Sheldon, Howard and Raj's time dropped by 5% and and Leonard's dropped by 3%.  

Here is the comparison to the averages for seasons 2-4 and  8-10:

                                                                                                                       Change from (in %)

                                       Sea 5           Sea 2-4              Sea 8-10               Sea   2-4            Sea  8-10 

  • Sheldon                  59%                68%                55%                             -9                    +4
  • Leonard                  54%                63%                45%                             -9                    +9
  • Howard                   40%                44%                35%                             -4                    +5
  • Penny                     32%                39%                38%                              -7                    -6
  • Raj                          35%                43%                32%                              -8                   +3
  • Amy                         24%                19%               35%                              +5                  -11
  • Bernadette               20%                14%                25%                             +6                   -5    

 

Again, I expected most of the times, for the first five, to fall between season two-four and seasons nine-ten.  Having less time then season two-four and more time then seasons nine-ten.   And, indeed, with the four guys, that is what happened.   Penny is the outlier here.   She had more time in seasons two-four and more time in seasons nine-ten.  I wonder if this is a one year phenomena.    Bernadette and Amy both had more time then seasons 2-4 and their time continued to grow through seasons nine through ten.  We'll see how that works in seasons six and seven. 

As for couples, the most time together was between Leonard and Penny, with 51:44.  I generally don't do seconds in the couples, but it was needed as in second, with 51:04, was Shamy.  Howardette wasn't that far behind, in third, with 41 minutes.

As for alone time, Lenny had 31 minutes, Howardette had 22 minutes and Shamy had 21 minutes.    Interestingly, Lenny had the fewest number of shows, with time together in them at 12.   Shamy had 13 shows, and the leader, with 14 was Howardette.   You were more likely to see Howardette in a show, than any of the other two couples, albeit with a smaller amount of time, on screen.   This compares to  an average  of 97 total/49 alone for Shamy in seasons 8-10,  88 total/22 alone for Lenny and 52 total and 17 alone for Howardette.  

As for other pairings, (and remember, the following is only counted when the pairing is alone, on screen.  So comparison to the romantic couples are for their alone time).  Sheldon and Leonard led, with 35 minutes.  Sheldon and Penny weren't even in second this season, that would be Amy/Penny, with 14 minutes.    Sheldon and Penny slipped to third, with only 9 minutes of screen time, a drop of 21 minutes from the previous season.   From looking at the numbers, it appears that Sheldon/Penny time went to Amy/Penny.   Which, considering Amy's characterization, makes sense as a female Sheldon.  

I still haven't updated the total time and I still have to post the sixth season.  When I get that done, I'll update the totals.   Working on the seventh season. 

 

Tensor

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26 minutes ago, April said:

Looking at the single episode numbers there is only one episode after Beta Test I would consider having a Lenny plot - namely Launch Acceleration when they take their test to the next level and Leonard proposed during sex. The high numbers come from the bird episode where they go out as friends and the 100th episode that was all a dream and then Beta Test itself.

Would you say Shamy shouldn't have couple time from before they were officially a couple? I don't think the Orthiniphobia episode counts as friendship time... I'll give you the dream but then again, nowadays TPTB wouldn't give Lenny that much alone time even if it were a dream.

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52 minutes ago, bfm said:
Would you say Shamy shouldn't have couple time from before they were officially a couple? I don't think the Orthiniphobia episode counts as friendship time... I'll give you the dream but then again, nowadays TPTB wouldn't give Lenny that much alone time even if it were a dream.


Good shout. Funny how even with the less screen time lenny gets and one season where lenny gets more screen time than the others, people wanna take that away as well. 

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Shamy got couple time, based on how I started this, just like the rest of the couples.  If they are an official couple (Lenny in most of season three, and after "Beta Test; Shamy after "Flaming Spitton";  and Howardette in season three and after "Hot Troll"), if they are alone (this includes them doing a scene with others in the background, as long as the others stay in the background (Lenny at the theatre in "Ornithophobia") , or if they weren't official, but were doing things as a couple (Herbgarden for Shamy).  Couples also get couple time if they are doing something as a couple, within a cast scene.  Those are the rules I set up, for myself, to maintain consistency.  

And, I don't see where anyone said anything about taking time away.  April talked about seeing only one actual Lenny plot after "Beta",  she didn't mention screen time.  There is a difference.  A couple can be in an episode without a plot of their own, they would still get screen time.  I just finished the Raiders Minimization.  The plots are Sheldon and Amy with Amy's comments about "Raiders" and Leonard and Penny with Penny getting the book by Leonard's mother and Leonard trying to manipulate Penny.  And, Raj and Stuart trying to use online dating profiles.    Howard and Bernadette have a scene in the episode where they get time as a couple, even though they have nothing really to do with any plot.   

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