Ship Zone [Spoilers] Shamy: Season 11

[spidergirl]

2 minutes ago, Sah said:

I live in AZ. It is going to be 115° outside over the upcoming weekend. Perhaps I will shut myself in and revisit season 9. Be too hot to leave the house...

Here the days have been very hot( 36-40 °C) and the nights not much less hotter ( glad the moon doesnt reflects heat, Lol!). So what I have been doing when I am home after everything housecare is done  is rewatching s9. Revisiting all seasons had been really cool

[April]

The good thing about rewatching S9 like this is

1) it's over a lot quicker cause you don't have to wait weeks and weeks for the story to progress,

2) you already know the outcome and don't have to worry,

3) and you can see the whole arc more clearly for what it is.

Both had to learn some tough lessons about taking the other for granted and such but in the end I felt it all fit together rather well and made for a coherent narrative.

[spidergirl]

32 minutes ago, April said:

The good thing about rewatching S9 like this is

1) it's over a lot quicker cause you don't have to wait weeks and weeks for the story to progress,

2) you already know the outcome and don't have to worry,

3) and you can see the whole arc more clearly for what it is.

Both had to learn some tough lessons about taking the other for granted and such but in the end I felt it all fit together rather well and made for a coherent narrative.

Agree with everything  you said!

[spidergirl]

2 hours ago, April said:

The good thing about rewatching S9 like this is

1) it's over a lot quicker cause you don't have to wait weeks and weeks for the story to progress,

 

I remember it was pure torture in time S9E7 aired as Amy was seen be kissed by Dave and I had to wait one more week to see what would happen. Thankgoodness for spoilers from E10 as I almost died of shipper sadness for the E09 tag scene! I tried to calm down with the mantra ("it is only a tv show, girl") but it did not work that much, hehe! Shamy love story  has looked like always so strong, so true that even in midle of breaking up , they only could belong to each other. And s10 proved it so well and so in a permanente way

Regards to rewatch S9 it really helps to have all episodes avaiable. The torture only lasts a few seconds as I start to watch the next episode!

 

[April]

1 hour ago, spidergirl said:

I remember it was pure torture in time S9E7 aired as Amy was seen be kissed by Dave and I had to wait one more week to see what would happen. Thankgoodness for spoilers from E10 as I almost died of shipper sadness for the E09 tag scene! I tried to calm down with the mantra ("it is only a tv show, girl") but it did not work that much, hehe! Shamy love story  has looked like always so strong, so true that even in midle of breaking up , they only could belong to each other. And s10 proved it so well and so in a permanente way

Regards to rewatch S9 it really helps to have all episodes avaiable. The torture only lasts a few seconds as I start to watch the next episode!

I remember what a mess the Shamy thread was back then. Fun times! LOL

Personally, I was less bothered cause the whole arc roughly followed a pretty straight forward 3-act-structure and with every further escalation I knew we were one step closer to the pay-off.

Like, Act 1 was the setup with Amy first wanting a break but then Sheldon made everything worse so that we got our inciting moment with Amy dumping him. Obviously the hook then being for the audience: How and when will they be back together? In Act 2 we see them struggling with their emotions and the idea of them dating others is introduced which escalates the conflict at the midpoint with the hallway scene in 9x05 that turns dating into a reality in the following episodes thus rising the stakes. At the end of Act the protagonist reaches their lowest point - Sheldon has his when he sees Amy and Dave, Amy has hers when Sheldon turns her down thus reaching the climax of the breakup. Eventually we get to Act 3 with their reunion marking the conflict's resolution and the denouement when they finally make love on Amy's birthday.

So yes, I think as a whole it works very well especially since the lessons both learned from it stuck to this day and massively improved their relationship. <3

[spidergirl]

17 minutes ago, April said:

I remember what a mess the Shamy thread was back then. Fun times! LOL

Personally, I was less bothered cause the whole arc roughly followed a pretty straight forward 3-act-structure and with every further escalation I knew we were one step closer to the pay-off.

Like, Act 1 was the setup with Amy first wanting a break but then Sheldon made everything worse so that we got our inciting moment with Amy dumping him. Obviously the hook then being for the audience: How and when will they be back together? In Act 2 we see them struggling with their emotions and the idea of them dating others is introduced which escalates the conflict at the midpoint with the hallway scene in 9x05 that turns dating into a reality in the following episodes thus rising the stakes. At the end of Act the protagonist reaches their lowest point - Sheldon has his when he sees Amy and Dave, Amy has hers when Sheldon turns her down thus reaching the climax of the breakup. Eventually we get to Act 3 with their reunion marking the conflict's resolution and the denouement when they finally make love on Amy's birthday.

So yes, I think as a whole it works very well especially since the lessons both learned from it stuck to this day and massively improved their relationship. <3

I missed the all fun here, it seems, hehe. Doesnt matter, I dont miss the fun now.

What I am really sure this moment is I would not exchange a single thing shamy lived in those bad times of their lives for anything else. They needed to live through that perspective about what they meant to each other and about what they wanted from their relationship and imo writers did it in such interisting and exciting way. I must confess s10 turned to be much better than I thought it would and I had my expectations high in beginning of the season (my first steps here in fórum) as you all know. Season 11 has so much potencial for make their relationship even better, as I assume Amy will say yes to Sheldon's proposal. How could it be in other way? Shamy is not afraid anymore of talk and share everything with each other. That engagement may be oficial really soon

 

Edited June 20, 2017 by spidergirl

[mirs1]

When last winter I finally watched the first half of S. 9 back to back,  the story arc @April was talking about was more and more clear. I have even enjoyed the whole thing, which didn't happen at all when I watched the episodes week-by-week. It looked like a 3 hour movie (more or less) with a very romantic happy ending...Obviously, knowing that everything is gonna be fine in the end, also helps watching the most heartbreaking scenes with other eyes, LOL!

[spidergirl]

You know what I would love to see from shamy in s11? 

They having a very quirky trip together! They could go to a science symposium or to something more relaxed like a weekend trip in a place with science background as we could see both being excited for science and be happy for be together only by themselves, if you know what I mean, hehe. It could be a flags convention ( I  love so much this idea as I did not loose the faith yet as it could be a  future storyplot  as writers mentioned that last season), a train lovers meeting or a A litle house in praire fanfiction writers convention, lol!

If shamy get married in s11 a quirky honemoon travelling plan could be on rocks, who knows. I know, we did not see the other couples honeymoon time specifically but a girl can dream, lol! Beyond of Amy and Sheldon be engaged in s11, what would you like to see more about them? 

 

Edited June 20, 2017 by spidergirl
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[DrWackaDoodle]

I'd love to see more domestic!Shamy; cooking a meal together (complete with Sheldon wearing a flowery apron!)  Sheldon asking Amy how her day was, snuggling on the couch while watching a movie or reading books/ scholarly publications, etc. I, for one, am tired of the "Sheldon needs a babysitter" storylines so I'd love to see him taking care of and anticipating Amy's needs. He's been much better since the breakup, but in a way, I want more proof from him that he's truly ready for marriage, seeing it as a true partnership rather than, "I am completely dependent on Amy" or, "I better put a ring on it to prevent somebody from encroaching on my turf." I still have mixed feelings about this proposal. Of course I want to see Shamy married, but I always imagined a episode or two where Sheldon attempts to plan the perfect proposal, everything goes hysterically wrong, and we get to witness a very heartfelt, emotional proposal (which Jim and Mayim act the hell out of.) could still happen but I'm thinking it's more likely Amy says yes in the cold open of 11.01.

[Capt. Hilts]

16 hours ago, Sah said:

Yes, true on all counts but this is Sheldon we are talking about his timeline for things is way off. I would like to know if her mom likes Sheldon and Amy together. That's about it from me...I know my opinion on meeting Amy's family is not typical...

Over the years, they've made me not want to meet Amy's mother.  So, I don't need that.

In my view, they should have one of Raj's parents come live with him.  They're funny and his character needs to be re-carbonated in some way.

[spidergirl]

9 hours ago, Capt. Hilts said:

Over the years, they've made me not want to meet Amy's mother.  So, I don't need that.

To me they have made me want more to meet Amy's mother over the years because I would like to see their interaction as Amy is an adult and taken woman now and most of things we know it is from teen Amy . Besides that skype call between shamy and Amy's  mother was so short that I would like to know more details like if she and shamy had got along over the years.

Regards Amy's  father I am one of those who want to know about him. It is about time imo we know more about Amy's background, all over these years has been too less the info about Amy's relatives. 

[mirs1]

10 minutes ago, spidergirl said:

To me they have made me want more to meet Amy's mother over the years because I would like to see their interaction as Amy is an adult and taken woman now and most of things we know it is from teen Amy . Besides that skype call between shamy and Amy's  mother was so short that I would like to know more details like if she and shamy had got along over the years.

Regards Amy's  father I am one of those who want to know about him. It is about time imo we know more about Amy's background, all over these years has been too less the info about Amy's relatives. 

I'm very curious about Amy's parents too and I'd like to meet them. As you said, it's time for us to know her background, I find unbelievable we don't even know the first things about her, such as if her father is in her life or not. Also, during the years, the writers have given different characterizations of Amy's mum, they went from an overprotective helicopter parent to a very strict (almost abusive) one. I'd like to know which one they choose in the end and that can be done only having her interact with her daughter on screen. Up to now, my opinion is the writers did a good job in casting all parents and the actress they chose as Amy's mum in S. 4 was funny too, I hope they will consider her for the part again.

[Jonny]

10 hours ago, DrWackaDoodle said:

I'd love to see more domestic!Shamy; cooking a meal together (complete with Sheldon wearing a flowery apron!)  Sheldon asking Amy how her day was, snuggling on the couch while watching a movie or reading books/ scholarly publications, etc. I, for one, am tired of the "Sheldon needs a babysitter" storylines so I'd love to see him taking care of and anticipating Amy's needs. He's been much better since the breakup, but in a way, I want more proof from him that he's truly ready for marriage, seeing it as a true partnership rather than, "I am completely dependent on Amy" or, "I better put a ring on it to prevent somebody from encroaching on my turf." I still have mixed feelings about this proposal. Of course I want to see Shamy married, but I always imagined a episode or two where Sheldon attempts to plan the perfect proposal, everything goes hysterically wrong, and we get to witness a very heartfelt, emotional proposal (which Jim and Mayim act the hell out of.) could still happen but I'm thinking it's more likely Amy says yes in the cold open of 11.01.

I think he is ready to get engaged and married, seen enough evidence this season and for the right reasons as well. But I would agree with you I had something very, very different in my mind when it came to the proposal and now feel increasingly disappointed at how it came about.

What would I have done? I'm no writer, but I would have ended their season pretty much in 10.23, just had Skype scenes in the finale, no Ramona. Then I would have had Sheldon perhaps planning something early Season 11, with the period apart making him realize even more he wants this to happen. Could have had a fun couple of episodes with Amy at Princeton, Sheldon at home planning. And then she comes back and the surprise is revealed, something romantic but also something Shamyesque.

But what do I know lol, judging by comments everywhere it seems to have gone down well how it all played out. Unless of course she says no, lol then there would be a riot.

[mirs1]

10 minutes ago, Jonny said:

I think he is ready to get engaged and married, seen enough evidence this season and for the right reasons as well. But I would agree with you I had something very, very different in my mind when it came to the proposal and now feel increasingly disappointed at how it came about.

What would I have done? I'm no writer, but I would have ended their season pretty much in 10.23, just had Skype scenes in the finale, no Ramona. Then I would have had Sheldon perhaps planning something early Season 11, with the period apart making him realize even more he wants this to happen. Could have had a fun couple of episodes with Amy at Princeton, Sheldon at home planning. And then she comes back and the surprise is revealed, something romantic but also something Shamyesque.

But what do I know lol, judging by comments everywhere it seems to have gone down well how it all played out. Unless of course she says no, lol then there would be a riot.

Yeah, the difference of opinions about 10.24 is pretty baffling. Hard core shippers pretty much would have wanted a different kind of proposal, no third party involved and for sure no "kissing". But general fans and casual viewers loved it, and the fact it is by far winning the S. 10 tournament (even if I'm pretty sure in this thread most of us would have wanted other episodes to prevail) shows that the writers and tptb know their shit pretty well...after all hard-core fans are not their main "target"!

[Jonny]

I was wondering why there was such muted reaction was on say Tumblr for example, I was very much in the camp that the proposal has finally happened this is amazing but obviously didn't like Ramona. So their reaction felt kind of alien to me.

But having seen it a number of times more I actually seem to be more in line with some of the Tumblr response, that I feel kind of disappointed with how it all played out. I don't agree with everything that was on there but the core feeling I can relate to a bit.

[spidergirl]

4 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

Yeah, the difference of opinions about 10.24 is pretty baffling. Hard core shippers pretty much would have wanted a different kind of proposal, no third party involved and for sure no "kissing". But general fans and casual viewers loved it, and the fact it is by far winning the S. 10 tournament (even if I'm pretty sure in this thread most of us would have wanted other episodes to prevail) shows that the writers and tptb know their shit pretty well...after all hard-core fans are not their main "target"!

I agree very much with you and @Jonny about this! I think writers know the hard-core fans are with shamy uncondionately and for those who are casual viewers they (writers) have to make things more interisting about shamy (aka shake the things a bit) for they keep following the show. Personally I think they ruined the chance of a quirky proposal that I would love to see but for other hand the way things happened showed how solid and unbreakable are Sheldon's feelings for Amy. The thing I think it was really missed in 10.24 for it was a great episode was Amy's  reaction about the proposal and about Ramona as she and Sheldon were face to face, for it mirrored how solid and unbreakable are Amy's feelings for Sheldon as both trust each other.  My money is in a wonderful and heartfelt shamy scene in 11.01 cold open for make the proposal  really a shamy  memorable moment.

When shamy broke up most of us hated it and later everything as I have said lately made much sense. Hopefully it might happen the same about the events from 10.24. Shamy are in such great page of their relationship and we surely will see a continuation of it in s11.

[Jonny]

I agree totally @mirs1 and that's pretty much common sense that you target your core audience which sometimes can annoy you as a fan of a particular character/s but it is the smart thing to do. Still no.1 so they know their shit so to speak.

[Soopysue]

I agree very much with you and [mention=23410]Jonny[/mention] about this! I think writers know the hard-core fans are with shamy uncondionately and for those who are casual viewers they (writers) have to make things more interisting about shamy (aka shake the things a bit) for they keep following the show. Personally I think they ruined the chance of a quirky proposal that I would love to see but for other hand the way things happened showed how solid and unbreakable are Sheldon's feelings for Amy. The thing I think it was really missed in 10.24 for it was a great episode was Amy's  reaction about the proposal and about Ramona as she and Sheldon were face to face, for it mirrored how solid and unbreakable are Amy's feelings for Sheldon as both trust each other.  My money is in a wonderful and heartfelt shamy scene in 11.01 cold open for make the proposal  really a shamy  memorable moment.

When shamy broke up most of us hated it and later everything as I have said lately made much sense. Hopefully it might happen the same about the events from 10.24. Shamy are in such great page of their relationship and we surely will see a continuation of it in s11.

Yes !

I was just about to reply to say that I didn't like a lot of 10.24, I hated the Ramona thing and don't like how the writers had Sheldon smiley and laughing / joking with her etc ..... I have 2 BUT's here .....

1 - I loved the montage and actual proposal - I thought the calmness of Sheldon and his whole determination during the silent montage was everything I LOVED that . His adorable face as he asks her to marry him is heart melting.

2 - I'm sure as[mention=20111]mirs1[/mention] and@spidergirl says that by the time we see the "other half" of the proposal - for want of a better phrase - it'll be a beautiful moment which we will all treasure. I also think the writers reasoning may come out in what Sheldon had to say to Amy on the Ramona front and maybe then it'll make more logical sense to include Ramona in the episode !

Although......I still hate Ramona and could happily go all "coin jar in Amy's purse" on her !!!! Lol

 

 

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[Carm6773]

I want to find out about Amy's father as well.  My family dynamic makes me the female version of Howard, except my father walked when I was an infant.

[spidergirl]

6 hours ago, Soopysue said:

Yes !

I was just about to reply to say that I didn't like a lot of 10.24, I hated the Ramona thing and don't like how the writers had Sheldon smiley and laughing / joking with her etc ..... I have 2 BUT's here .....

1 - I loved the montage and actual proposal - I thought the calmness of Sheldon and his whole determination during the silent montage was everything I LOVED that . His adorable face as he asks her to marry him is heart melting.

2 - I'm sure as[mention=20111]mirs1[/mention] and@spidergirl says that by the time we see the "other half" of the proposal - for want of a better phrase - it'll be a beautiful moment which we will all treasure. I also think the writers reasoning may come out in what Sheldon had to say to Amy on the Ramona front and maybe then it'll make more logical sense to include Ramona in the episode !

Although......I still hate Ramona and could happily go all "coin jar in Amy's purse" on her !!!! Lol

 

 

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I could happily go with that too, hehe! A bag of ice would help Ramona with the bruises though!

Two months until first taping... I wish the hiatus countdown could be this one:

 

 

Edited June 21, 2017 by spidergirl

[April]

10 minutes ago, spidergirl said:

Two months until first taping...

Can't wait to have the show back as well! But I think summer will pass fast enough.

I guess the next TBBT Tournament could keep us a bit busy??

[spidergirl]

20 minutes ago, April said:

Can't wait to have the show back as well! But I think summer will pass fast enough.

I guess the next TBBT Tournament could keep us a bit busy??

 

[April]

11 minutes ago, spidergirl said:

Idk if you were here for it last year but shortly after the "Best of the Season Tournament" is done there's a "Best of ALL Seasons Tournament" and you may nominate your 16 fave episodes from all the seasons. With each new season the choices sure don't get easier.

Usually Bath Item Hypothesis and Adhesive Duck Deficiency win this thing - but last year OPENING NIGHT EXCITATION managed to beat both and claim the throne.

Can we repeat the result this year??

[spidergirl]

3 minutes ago, April said:

Idk if you were here for it last year but shortly after the "Best of the Season Tournament" is done there's a "Best of ALL Seasons Tournament" and you may nominate your 16 fave episodes from all the seasons. With each new season the choices sure don't get easier.

No, I wasn't here yet for these tournaments. It seems really cool!

5 minutes ago, April said:

Usually Bath Item Hypothesis and Adhesive Duck Deficiency win this thing - but last year OPENING NIGHT EXCITATION managed to beat both and claim the throne.

Can we repeat the result this year??

Oh that's very fair indeed as the Opening night imo was The episode! However s10 brought us a few gems equally outstanding as Opening! Can not wait for participating in the best of all seasons tournament.  It was so fun doing the nominations for shamy's s10 top 10. Glad I have decided to rewatch all seasons as I have my all favourites very fresh on my mind!

Btw thanks so much for all info. There are things that I have not done yet in the forum and it has been really cool to find the good stuff we can do for hiatus time. Having a nice fellow to help/ explain things I am a newbie yet is really cool! You rock, girl

[April]

24 minutes ago, spidergirl said:

No, I wasn't here yet for these tournaments. It seems really cool!

Oh that's very fair indeed as the Opening night imo was The episode! However s10 brought us a few gems equally outstanding as Opening! Can not wait for participating in the best of all seasons tournament.  It was so fun doing the nominations for shamy's s10 top 10. Glad I have decided to rewatch all seasons as I have my all favourites very fresh on my mind!

I think what helped ON immensely was the all around quality of the A and B plot and the appeal to the general audience - people either loved the Shamy plot or the Star Wars plot or both. It was a close race against AD and BI but in the end we made it. I was so happy that the winning streak of those episodes was broken if only for the reason that finally another contender mixed things up for a change. Getting literally the exact same results each year is boring.

I'm curious what episode of S10 will make it into the round of nominated episodes. I guess whatever wins the S10 tournament this year?? The general audience appeal will probably be key here again cause even when shippers of both major forum ships agree that 10x04 and 10x07 were superior they still lost against 10x11 and 10x24. It sure will be an interesting tournament!

24 minutes ago, spidergirl said:

Btw thanks so much for all info. There are things that I have not done yet in the forum and it has been really cool to find the good stuff we can do for hiatus time. Having a nice fellow to help/ explain things I am a newbie yet is really cool! You rock, girl

You're welcome, sweetie! <3

(Haha, last year I was still the newbie and never did those tournaments! )