Ship Zone [Spoilers] Shamy: Season 11

[April]

20 minutes ago, spidergirl said:

Agree. Amy was  more lonely than Sheldon , as she had no friends neither siblings. Tv shows seemed to be a great escape to Sheldon, to Amy that escape might have been from books. It is easier to a child to pretend to be someone who can be seen rather than to be someone who had to be imagined. Besides Sheldon's sibblings were a handfull of making trouble aganst him, Spock was like a "shield" to him. 

We don't know that Amy had any specific characters she identified with from books either and I don't think the form here makes much of a difference. Harry Potter* was just as important for many kids without the movies.

If I had to come up with something then maybe Little House on the Prairie was her Star Trek, maybe even both the books and the tv series. But so far we haven't heard or seen her identify with any specific character as strongly as Sheldon did with Spock.

 

*Speaking of which: Yesterday Harry Potter was published 20 years ago! Happy Potterversary! ;D

[spidergirl]

10 minutes ago, April said:

We don't know that Amy had any specific characters she identified with from books either and I don't think the form here makes much of a difference. Harry Potter* was just as important for many kids without the movies.

That's why I said "might have been from books " and not "had from books".It was  only a bit of speculation from the tips we have about Amy's past from my side,    not as if was very important the form Amy had their escapes to her loneliness. Surely she had her ways to protect herself as Sheldon had his though.

12 minutes ago, April said:

Speaking of which: Yesterday Harry Potter was published 20 years ago! Happy Potterversary! ;D

Happy Potterversary! My first online fandom contribution.

[Jonny]

So do you think we might get the Flag convention this season? It would be easier if there is an actual one going on if they wanted to film some outside of set scenes but that's not essential. They could come up with something to resemble a Flag convention and with only 18-20 mins per episode and multiple storylines we wouldn't likely see a huge amount of different locations anyway.

I like this idea of them going around, perhaps seeing some flag designs, private individuals design and create flags all the time with things tied to say family history and symbols. Perhaps they want to show some off at this place and Shamy can check them out? Maybe as it is a Vexillology convention and based in North America they might get recognized by someone at the convention which could be cool who watches their podcast? Or how about they record some video at the convention that they could use for their next episode? At say gaming conventions you do get podcasters doing shows from events sometimes.

I hope it's one of those ideas that gets floated around by the writers and eventually they find a way or an opportunity to execute it down the line and not one of those ideas that gets abandoned entirely. I'll be checking interviews during the hiatus to see if the idea gets floated again for sure.

[joyceraye]

2 hours ago, Jonny said:

So do you think we might get the Flag convention this season? It would be easier if there is an actual one going on if they wanted to film some outside of set scenes but that's not essential. They could come up with something to resemble a Flag convention and with only 18-20 mins per episode and multiple storylines we wouldn't likely see a huge amount of different locations anyway.

I like this idea of them going around, perhaps seeing some flag designs, private individuals design and create flags all the time with things tied to say family history and symbols. Perhaps they want to show some off at this place and Shamy can check them out? Maybe as it is a Vexillology convention and based in North America they might get recognized by someone at the convention which could be cool who watches their podcast? Or how about they record some video at the convention that they could use for their next episode? At say gaming conventions you do get podcasters doing shows from events sometimes.

I hope it's one of those ideas that gets floated around by the writers and eventually they find a way or an opportunity to execute it down the line and not one of those ideas that gets abandoned entirely. I'll be checking interviews during the hiatus to see if the idea gets floated again for sure.

What if Shamy want a flag for their new home as a married couple ?  What would they have on it ? 

[mirs1]

1 hour ago, Jonny said:

So do you think we might get the Flag convention this season? It would be easier if there is an actual one going on if they wanted to film some outside of set scenes but that's not essential. They could come up with something to resemble a Flag convention and with only 18-20 mins per episode and multiple storylines we wouldn't likely see a huge amount of different locations anyway.

I like this idea of them going around, perhaps seeing some flag designs, private individuals design and create flags all the time with things tied to say family history and symbols. Perhaps they want to show some off at this place and Shamy can check them out? Maybe as it is a Vexillology convention and based in North America they might get recognized by someone at the convention which could be cool who watches their podcast? Or how about they record some video at the convention that they could use for their next episode? At say gaming conventions you do get podcasters doing shows from events sometimes.

I hope it's one of those ideas that gets floated around by the writers and eventually they find a way or an opportunity to execute it down the line and not one of those ideas that gets abandoned entirely. I'll be checking interviews during the hiatus to see if the idea gets floated again for sure.

Well, it has happened before that the writers used in a subsequent season an idea that they had years before and for some reason didn't use. On the top of my head, I remember that Jim was asked to learn how to ride an unicycle (not sure if he really did it) in a very early season, and finally this season that came up in an episode. So, I wouldn't rule the flag convention out, not sure if it will happen in S. 11. In any event, the NAVA annual meeting (which last year was in California, as @April noticed, so it was the perfect candidate for being the "RL" flag convention the writers were referring to in their SDCC panel) is in Boston on October 13-15, 2017, so save the date, LOL!

What I would rule out, anyway, is that they might film it on location. That has never happened before (and with the event being in Boston is even more unlikely) and the writers explicitly said they chose a flag convention (and then decided for a minor comics convention for Lenny) because it didn't require too many extras and props to recreate the needed sets.

I don't think we will hear from the writers before SDCC panel and, even then, as the experience has taught us the hard way, what they say is very likely to not be true, not because they are deceiving us, but because it's too early in the writing process.

[April]

25 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

What I would rule out, anyway, is that they might film it on location. That has never happened before (and with the event being in Boston is even more unlikely) and the writers explicitly said they chose a flag convention (and then decided for a minor comics convention for Lenny) because it didn't require too many extras and props to recreate the needed sets.

I've seen some pictures from the NAVA50 event last year and I think they could easily recreate a small flag exhibition or a little workshop or whatever on set if they decide to finally use this idea. It's not a massive convention like SDCC - it's relatively small and held in a hotel. Though this year they're in the Omni Parker Hotel which has an old historical flair. Idk how easy/difficult it would be to fake that. It's also NAVA's official 50th anniversary so that would also be a nice occasion. But who knows if they'll get around it.

Personally, I'd absolutely adore if the writers give the flag convention idea another shot. Shamy making a special on-location episode of FwF about NAVA51 would be fun! :D

[Jonny]

1 hour ago, joyceraye said:

What if Shamy want a flag for their new home as a married couple ?  What would they have on it ? 

No clue but I totally think they should do it, for them it makes a shit ton of sense with their shared interests, can show it off on their FWF show etc.

[spidergirl]

2 hours ago, joyceraye said:

What if Shamy want a flag for their new home as a married couple ?  What would they have on it ? 

I think it would be cool. That kind of thing  would be so shamy and quirky enough to make me forget the lack of quirkiness of the proposal, lol. My thumbs up to your post and also to writers  if they do something like this.

Edited June 27, 2017 by spidergirl

[joyceraye]

I don't want to see a showdown involving Amy and Ramona, even over Skype or text. I don't want her to have any relevance at all to the Shamy relationship. It seems a waste of a good physicist who's the only one at Caltech who doesn't disdain Sheldon but actually admires and  likes him, only for her to try it on with him and then disappear when he turns her down. Any random woman such as a canteen lady or train store assistant could have been dredged up to be that vamp. I'd like Ramona to serve some higher purpose. It's not beyond the writers to put Ramona's recent bid for Sheldon's affections onto the back burner somehow. They can do anything they like.  They rehabilitated creepy Howard and they swept Raj's night with Penny under the carpet. Granted they had Kripke and Stuart wait until Amy was technically free in S9 before hitting on her, although they made them pretty blatant, and then had them give up. Bert took some discouraging but looked elsewhere in the end, Those three are still around. Nothing happened to Alex for trying for Leonard.  And look what they did with Big Dave. So, they can tweak Ramona's behaviour somehow if they wish. There'll be more to her than playing the anti-Amy if they keep her. Something makes her a Sheldon-whisperer, but what ? 'Penny grew up around horses' is Leonard's explanation for the Shenny rapport. Ramona's backstory could be very interesting : perhaps she has an autistic twin brother.

[spidergirl]

Regards the other characters who have interacted with the gang, I think it has been shown the main details for the storyplots make sense. Personally I dont think much about what Dave had been doing or even Bert. Maybe it is me who is very focused about shamy and their close friends anchievments though.

Edited June 28, 2017 by spidergirl

[April]

1 hour ago, spidergirl said:

Regards the other characters who have interacted with the gang, I think it has been shown the main details for the storyplots make sense. Personally I dont think much about what Dave had been doing or even Bert.

I'm also only interested in such characters as long as they bring something to the table for the main cast* or at least have the potential for some fun jokes**. I'm not interested in them in a "I wonder what Xyz is doing now?" way and tbh I don't think the show is either cause they have these recurring characters pop in and out of the show as needed and we rarely get an update as to what happened to them in the meantime.

* Which is why I would like to meet and/or hear more about Amy's family background. Not because I want more characters on the show but I think it would give Amy a bit more focus and seeing her and Sheldon deal with a potentially complicated situations could make for a great heartfelt plot.

** Like Dave coming back for another episode could be a fun scenario - I just thought he was delightful and Stephen Merchant's comedic timing meshed rather well with the cast.

So for Ramona to come back regularly they'd need to find a useful role for her. I wouldn't even object to that per se cause they don't have any recurring female scientists at Caltech since Leslie left. But I just don't know what they'd do with her now that they've pigeon-holed her into that "Sheldon's crazy admirer" role. A constant string of "Ramona is back and causes trouble for Shamy!" stories is not something I'd enjoy.
 

[Jonny]

2 hours ago, April said:

I'm also only interested in such characters as long as they bring something to the table for the main cast* or at least have the potential for some fun jokes**. I'm not interested in them in a "I wonder what Xyz is doing now?" way and tbh I don't think the show is either cause they have these recurring characters pop in and out of the show as needed and we rarely get an update as to what happened to them in the meantime.

* Which is why I would like to meet and/or hear more about Amy's family background. Not because I want more characters on the show but I think it would give Amy a bit more focus and seeing her and Sheldon deal with a potentially complicated situations could make for a great heartfelt plot.

** Like Dave coming back for another episode could be a fun scenario - I just thought he was delightful and Stephen Merchant's comedic timing meshed rather well with the cast.

So for Ramona to come back regularly they'd need to find a useful role for her. I wouldn't even object to that per se cause they don't have any recurring female scientists at Caltech since Leslie left. But I just don't know what they'd do with her now that they've pigeon-holed her into that "Sheldon's crazy admirer" role. A constant string of "Ramona is back and causes trouble for Shamy!" stories is not something I'd enjoy.
 

As usual you are spot on April

I want to see Amy's family because of the storylines opportunities it could present both for Amy and for Shamy, and if they are to get married at some point it makes a lot of sense to learn something more about her family. We saw some story to Bernadette's family so I see no reason why we don't get a glimpse of some of Amy's family life.

I could get behind Dave making an appearance some time, probably stalking Sheldon though lol. I've always had in my head some scenario where Sheldon and Leonard perhaps are speaking somewhere on some project and he turns up. He was fanboying a bit about Leonard as well lol.

But where we probably differ is no offense to Riki Lindhome but I hope I NEVER see her character again. Because and to quote you not wanting to see "A constant string of Ramona is back and causes trouble for Shamy stories" is probably/likely the only reason why she would be back. So I would rather not see her again at all.

Edited June 28, 2017 by Jonny

[April]

30 minutes ago, Jonny said:

But where we probably differ is no offense to Riki Lindhome but I hope I NEVER see her character again. Because and to quote you not wanting to see "A constant string of Ramona is back and causes trouble for Shamy stories" is probably/likely the only reason why she would be back. So I would rather not see her again at all.

Hence why I've said they need to find a useful role for her as a recurring scientist cause I also wouldn't want to see her back just so that she can plot how to steal away Amy's man this week. Ughh. And arguably the writers wrote that character into a corner with that unwanted kiss so they'd really have to come up with something amazingly clever to turn this around. By comparison, Dave is in a similar position as the guy Amy dated for a while but the situation with him was a lot more amicable towards Shamy as a couple with him not only fanboying over Sheldon but also helping them to get back together. So when he comes back I see zero relationship drama. But you can't do that with Ramona now and chances that she gets some sort of redemption are pretty slim.

So yeah, we really don't differ that much here.

[spidergirl]

4 hours ago, spidergirl said:

Regards the other characters who have interacted with the gang, I think it has been shown the main details for the storyplots make sense. Personally I dont think much about what Dave had been doing or even Bert. Maybe it is me who is very focused about shamy and their close friends anchievments though.

Quoting myself because I removed first part of my earlier post. It was very uncomplete regards the developmemt of the characters through  the seasons topic and I feel it was not the whole  point of the most recent posts here as I read carefull your  replies. Sometimes what is in my mind is dificult to put in a decent written post. My apologies for that. 

[mirs1]

1 hour ago, spidergirl said:

Quoting myself because I removed first part of my earlier post. It was very uncomplete regards the developmemt of the characters through  the seasons topic and I feel it was not the whole  point of the most recent posts here as I read carefull your  replies. Sometimes what is in my mind is dificult to put in a decent written post. My apologies for that. 

Oh, don't worry, your posts are written just fine! It always amazes me how people from all over the world, speaking all kinds of languages can come together to discuss about such cuties as Shamy!

 

4 hours ago, April said:

I'm also only interested in such characters as long as they bring something to the table for the main cast* or at least have the potential for some fun jokes**. I'm not interested in them in a "I wonder what Xyz is doing now?" way and tbh I don't think the show is either cause they have these recurring characters pop in and out of the show as needed and we rarely get an update as to what happened to them in the meantime.

* Which is why I would like to meet and/or hear more about Amy's family background. Not because I want more characters on the show but I think it would give Amy a bit more focus and seeing her and Sheldon deal with a potentially complicated situations could make for a great heartfelt plot.

** Like Dave coming back for another episode could be a fun scenario - I just thought he was delightful and Stephen Merchant's comedic timing meshed rather well with the cast.

So for Ramona to come back regularly they'd need to find a useful role for her. I wouldn't even object to that per se cause they don't have any recurring female scientists at Caltech since Leslie left. But I just don't know what they'd do with her now that they've pigeon-holed her into that "Sheldon's crazy admirer" role. A constant string of "Ramona is back and causes trouble for Shamy!" stories is not something I'd enjoy.
 

I agree so much with that! We already have 7 main characters and another couple that float around the show, so the only way I might be interested in seeing some "old" acquaintances again, or in introducing new characters, is if it has a purpose for the main cast, in a funny way. In particular, I don't see anything funny in Ramona showing up from time to time as a Sheldon's stalker or just to annoy Amy. I for sure hope we don't see her in the premiere, even if in a way that could make sense to give closure to the whole situation. Dave is a different story, I already see him as a guest at Shamy wedding, proudly saying everybody how much he ships those two, LOL!

Edited June 28, 2017 by mirs1

[Soopysue]

I agree so much with that! We already have 7 main characters and another couple that float around the show, so the only way I might be interested in seeing some "old" acquaintances again, or in introducing new characters, is if it has a purpose for the main cast, in a funny way. In particular, I don't see anything funny Ramona showing up from time to time as a Sheldon's stalker or just to annoy Amy. I for sure hope we don't see her in the premiere, even if in a way that could make sense to give closure to the whole situation. Dave is a different story, I already see him as a guest at Shamy wedding, proudly saying everybody how much he ships those two, LOL!

Agree so much with this & the quotes you have here too, no need for too much re appearance of old "cast" I'm actually not a fan if they have too many quest stars either, the 200th episode for example .
I really don't want Ramona back at all and defiantly not if it's to cause any Shamy drama - even looking at Sheldon with lust filled eyes ugh no thank you !! @spidergirl I think you do so well with your posts so don't apologise - I could never do what you guys do and hold a conversation in written text, not in my native language !!!! I struggle and I'm Scottish lol !


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[joyceraye]

1 hour ago, Jonny said:

As usual you are spot on April

I want to see Amy's family because of the storylines opportunities it could present both for Amy and for Shamy, and if they are to get married at some point it makes a lot of sense to learn something more about her family. We saw some story to Bernadette's family so I see no reason why we don't get a glimpse of some of Amy's family life.

I could get behind Dave making an appearance some time, probably stalking Sheldon though lol. I've always had in my head some scenario where Sheldon and Leonard perhaps are speaking somewhere on some project and he turns up. He was fanboying a bit about Leonard as well lol.

But where we probably differ is no offense to Riki Lindhome but I hope I NEVER see her character again. Because and to quote you not wanting to see "A constant string of Ramona is back and causes trouble for Shamy stories" is probably/likely the only reason why she would be back. So I would rather not see her again at all.

I'm not sure that's necessarily true. I think they could rehabilitate her just as they did with the others who 'strayed' a bit. Agreed 'Ramona causes trouble for Shamy' would be worse than not seeing her again (ugh) but they could dismiss her 10.24 behaviour in one line if they wanted to. All right, two lines, the second one making it up with Raj. He needs somebody with her foot in the right place. Sheldon is supposed to be managing Raj's finances but we've not seen much of that. How about Dr Novitski doing something about those doldrums he's in about his work ? A Cootherpitski breakthrough ? A Rajmona romance ?

Is Amy the one now of whose family we know the least ?  Her mother still works and uses Skype, one pair of grandparents is alive, one grandmother is dead, some cousins have met tragic ends and her father suffer(ed)s either from poor eyesight or anxiety. Agreed it's time we knew more. I'd really like to see how Sheldon's in-laws get on with Beverly.

[April]

4 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

I'm not sure that's necessarily true. I think they could rehabilitate her just as they did with the others who 'strayed' a bit. Agreed 'Ramona causes trouble for Shamy' would be worse than not seeing her again (ugh) but they could dismiss her 10.24 behaviour in one line if they wanted to. All right, two lines, the second one making it up with Raj. He needs somebody with her foot in the right place. Sheldon is supposed to be managing Raj's finances but we've not seen much of that. How about Dr Novitski doing something about those doldrums he's in about his work ? A Cootherpitski breakthrough ? A Rajmona romance ?

To be quite honest, I'm not into this "pair the spares" situation just so that Ramona can stay on - especially since she already rejected Raj so why should she suddenly turn to him like "Oh well, I guess I'll take the booby prize then!" Ugh no.

4 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

Is Amy the one now of whose family we know the least ?  Her mother still works and uses Skype, one pair of grandparents is alive, one grandmother is dead, some cousins have met tragic ends and her father suffer(ed)s either from poor eyesight or anxiety. Agreed it's time we knew more. I'd really like to see how Sheldon's in-laws get on with Beverly.

We've only ever met Amy's mom per skype and heard a few weird anecdotes about her childhood with her.

I don't know that we actually know anything concrete about her dad from that one comment - it didn't refer to anything specifically so it rather sounds like a dig at the idea of "daddy issues" in pop culture.

Beyond that there are allusions of certain family members but again nothing much tangible.

By comparison: From other characters they have extensively explored the relationships everybody has (had) with their respective dad, with the mothers they were either a bigger part of the show (Debbie, Mary, Bev) or we've at least met them in person (sometimes more than once), siblings occasionally have been on the show but otherwise mostly only mentioned.

[mirs1]

44 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

Is Amy the one now of whose family we know the least ?  Her mother still works and uses Skype, one pair of grandparents is alive, one grandmother is dead, some cousins have met tragic ends and her father suffer(ed)s either from poor eyesight or anxiety. Agreed it's time we knew more. I'd really like to see how Sheldon's in-laws get on with Beverly.

I would be really interested in knowing something more and possibly see on screen (and not just in a Skype call)  Amy's parents. Also, having them interacting with Sheldon and his mother (especially with regards to a wedding) might be fun. But we already have so many characters, I don't need to see Amy's grandmother or her cousins. As we were saying before, introducing recurring characters and/or having new ones on the show should have a purpose for the main cast. Amy's other relatives were nothing more than a throw away line here and there, while knowing if she is an orphan or which kind of relationship she has with her parents is important for her characterization. 

Probably, for the same reasons, I'm always very happy when parents of all characters are in the show (for example I was a fan of 10.1 just because in it we finally met Penny's mother), while I'm not that interested in TBBT siblings, not that I think siblings play a little role in the life of a person, I just feel that the show has treated them* as nothing more than an afterthought, so it always feels unnecessary to me to meet them.

* Probably Sheldon's siblings are an exception on the matter, since we know plenty of things about their role in Sheldon's childhood. Nonetheless, I was not impressed by Missy in S.2 and I admit I could live without knowing "older" George Jr, especially now that we'll meet the "younger" version in the prequel.

[serena_1995]

52 minutes ago, Soopysue said:

I really don't want Ramona back at all and defiantly not if it's to cause any Shamy drama - even looking at Sheldon with lust filled eyes ugh no thank you !! @spidergirl I think you do so well with your posts so don't apologise - I could never do 

 

1 hour ago, mirs1 said:

 

In particular, I don't see anything funny in Ramona showing up from time to time as a Sheldon's stalker or just to annoy Amy. I for sure hope we don't see her in the premiere, even if in a way that could make sense to give closure to the whole situation. 

 

3 hours ago, Jonny said:

 

But where we probably differ is no offense to Riki Lindhome but I hope I NEVER see her character again. 

 

I can see @joyceraye 's point to some extent about "tweaking behavior " But i agree,  im not sure they can do that believably.  

Its seems different characters are treated differently. Kripke is a pervert who hit on Amy and sent her a picture of his dick.  And Bert hit on Amy while she was with Sheldon.But both Bert and Kripke are still around.  And everyone loves Bert and Kripke ! They are presented as lovable funny losers ! 

 But when Ramona hits on Sheldon, she is  a heinous  bitch who no one ever wants to see again lol. 

My use of hyperbole aside, I want 0 relationship drama, but I would welcome a recurring female scientist who isn't a plot device or a love interest. I miss Alex from s6. Take away her obsession with Sheldon, then Ramona is actually kinda ambitous, smart and athletic.  I dont think they can make Ramona get over Sheldon and add her as an independent character, but I would prefer that over the same old pathetic "I'm lonely; can't find say love " themes they have repeated already with Bert/Stuart/Raj many times. it really adds nothing to the show imo. Perhaps their best bet would be to just focus on the main 7 .  

[spidergirl]

7 minutes ago, serena_1995 said:

 

 

 

I can see @joyceraye 's point to some extent about "tweaking behavior " But i agree,  im not sure they can do that believably.  

Its seems different characters are treated differently. Kripke is a pervert who hit on Amy and sent her a picture of his dick.  And Bert hit on Amy while she was with Sheldon.But both Bert and Kripke are still around.  And everyone loves Bert and Kripke ! They are presented as lovable funny losers ! 

 But when Ramona hits on Sheldon, she is  a heinous  bitch who no one ever wants to see again lol. 

My use of hyperbole aside, I want 0 relationship drama, but I would welcome a recurring female scientist who isn't a plot device or a love interest. I miss Alex from s6. Take away her obsession with Sheldon, then Ramona is actually kinda ambitous, smart and athletic.  I dont think they can make Ramona get over Sheldon and add her as an independent character, but I would prefer that over the same old pathetic "I'm lonely; can't find say love " themes they have repeated already with Bert/Stuart/Raj many times. it really adds nothing to the show imo. Perhaps their best bet would be to just focus on the main 7 .  

I can see your point but imo the problem with Ramona is she has never been introduced as someone funny or cute dispite her interess on Sheldon for the audience wanted to see her often. Dave was funny and cute. Although as I said I am not very curious about his life details, there is a funny side of him that could be interesting he might return for one episode as he kind of shipped shamy as they reunited and also he is a huge Sheldon work fan. That imo has comedy potencial .Ramona was annoying in s2, now she is annoying with a phd, lol.

Btw, it annoyed me  Dave kissing Amy as Ramona kissing Sheldon. Worst thing, Amy enjoyed it, better thing Sheldon did not. I also called the male  noun of bitch to Dave in s9e7, for make things clear, lol! 

[April]

20 minutes ago, serena_1995 said:

Its seems different characters are treated differently. Kripke is a pervert who hit on Amy and sent her a picture of his dick.  And Bert hit on Amy while she was with Sheldon.But both Bert and Kripke are still around.  And everyone loves Bert and Kripke ! They are presented as lovable funny losers ! 

 But when Ramona hits on Sheldon, she is  a heinous  bitch who no one ever wants to see again lol. 

I guess the main difference here is that Kripke went after Amy while she was single and Bert didn't know she was in a relationship back then or how serious it was. Neither of them forced themselves onto Amy physically. Ramona on the other hand went in fully knowing about the relationship with the intention of breaking it up and having Sheldon for herself and she even kissed him right when Sheldon was explaining to her why that was never gonna happen. It just crosses a line here. If Bert or Kripke did something like that to Amy I sure as hell wouldn't think of them as lovable losers.

[mirs1]

13 minutes ago, serena_1995 said:

 

 

 

I can see @joyceraye 's point to some extent about "tweaking behavior " But i agree,  im not sure they can do that believably.  

Its seems different characters are treated differently. Kripke is a pervert who hit on Amy and sent her a picture of his dick.  And Bert hit on Amy while she was with Sheldon.But both Bert and Kripke are still around.  And everyone loves Bert and Kripke ! They are presented as lovable funny losers ! 

 But when Ramona hits on Sheldon, she is  a heinous  bitch who no one ever wants to see again lol. 

The main difference is that Kripke and Bert didn't interfere with Shamy's relationship. Kripke hit on her during the break up, and she turned him down immediately because of his creepy behavior and Bert didn't even know that Shamy were a thing (Raj or Howard asked Amy if she mentioned to Bert she was in a relationship and she said it didn't come up, if I remember correctly). None of them hit on a person knowing they were in a committed relationship and kissed them against their will.

What I find interesting is that everybody (including me) now loves Dave. His situation was indeed different from Ramona's, he wasn't doing anything wrong because at that time Amy wasn't dating Sheldon, but I remember that, after 10.7 everybody hated him. Probably being Sheldon's biggest fan ever and, above all, being the one saying the glorious words "Kiss her, you brilliant fool!" made him a fans' favourite. Nonetheless, he was in the middle of Shamy made up, as well as in a sense Ramona is in the middle of Shamy proposal but it's much more difficult to "forgive" the writers for Ramona than for Dave. I blame Stephen Merchant, he was amazing as a Sheldon fan-boy!

 

[April]

17 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

What I find interesting is that everybody (including me) now loves Dave. His situation was indeed different from Ramona's, he wasn't doing anything wrong because at that time Amy wasn't dating Sheldon, but I remember that, after 10.7 everybody hated him. Probably being Sheldon's biggest fan ever and, above all, being the one saying the glorious words "Kiss her, you brilliant fool!" made him a fans' favourite. Nonetheless, he was in the middle of Shamy made up, as well as in a sense Ramona is in the middle of Shamy proposal but it's much more difficult to "forgive" the writers for Ramona than for Dave. I blame Stephen Merchant, he was amazing as a Sheldon fan-boy!

Yeah, I think Dave is the best example here to show that they could have made Ramona more endearing in the first place if they wanted to. It's not that someone is after Sheldon or Amy romantically but how it's handled by the show. Like with Ramona they could've made it so that yes, maybe it looked like she's after Sheldon but it turns out it's just a big misunderstanding and instead of kissing him she says something encouraging that prompts Sheldon to jump onto the next plane or whatever. It would completely change the reception of her character.

But that was clearly not the story they wanted to tell. The whole gang sees her as an intruder and is worried she might make a move on Sheldon - and rightfully so as it turns out! So obviously they wanted the audience to have a hostile reaction towards her cause that's just where the conflict of the episode comes from.

[Jonny]

I am always critical of anyone who knows full well what the relationship status is of someone and still wants to break them up, that's what Ramona was trying to do clearly. It's something I can't tolerate, home-wrecking is crossing a moral rubicon line in my eyes.

The Dave situation isn't comparable at all.

Edited June 28, 2017 by Jonny