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1 hour ago, Rosse said:

There is no message where she writes about their five-year anniversary, in the photo she and Karl are kissing in masks, and there is no message where she congratulates Karl on their three-year anniversary from the wedding day. 

I noticed when I read an article with links to Kaley's Instagram and some pages were inaccessible.

And, so, what does that matter, considering  Kaley, nor  Karl for that matter, have removed the wedding photos and videos that are on the IG accounts.  Not to mention, the images of them kissing cuddling and acting silly together that are still on there?  Or is this another big deal by "reliable" media? 

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11 hours ago, Tensor said:

And, so, what does that matter, considering  Kaley, nor  Karl for that matter, have removed the wedding photos and videos that are on the IG accounts.  Not to mention, the images of them kissing cuddling and acting silly together that are still on there?  Or is this another big deal by "reliable" media? 

I wrote above that I noticed that some of Kaley's messages were deleted when I read the article. Shared in this topic. The topic exists to share opinions and discuss what is happening in the artist's life, even if it is personal life. 

 And the fact that Kaley deletes some messages related to her ex-husband is normal.

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23 hours ago, Tensor said:

And, so, what does that matter, considering  Kaley, nor  Karl for that matter, have removed the wedding photos and videos that are on the IG accounts.  Not to mention, the images of them kissing cuddling and acting silly together that are still on there?  Or is this another big deal by "reliable" media? 

Agreed. They still have feelings for each other. They just couldn't make the marriage work.

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4 hours ago, chucky said:

Agreed. They still have feelings for each other. They just couldn't make the marriage work.

Yes  See this is the thing  If two people say they love each other as much as they said they did how can you not make it work. Every marriage has its bumps and bruises but you find a way to overcome those obstacles. You don't give up and divorce. I am a big fan of Kaley but she really is an enigma.  Many people also said that she gave up on her first marriage to Ryan Sweeting as well. However, they did not live with him and his vices. Kaley has dozens of quotes where she gushes about Karl and that he is her perfect match. Then why give up and try to work things out?

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7 hours ago, Mario D. said:

Kaley has dozens of quotes where she gushes about Karl and that he is her perfect match. Then why give up and try to work things out?

The only ones that know that answer is Kaley and Karl and they aren't talking about that subject. Maybe all that time apart put a strain on the marriage. Strain can cause arguments that can cause the problems that caused the divorce. Just remember Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton. They were married and divorced several times. So, who knows what's in the future for them.

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7 hours ago, Mario D. said:

Yes  See this is the thing  If two people say they love each other as much as they said they did how can you not make it work. Every marriage has its bumps and bruises but you find a way to overcome those obstacles. You don't give up and divorce. I am a big fan of Kaley but she really is an enigma.  Many people also said that she gave up on her first marriage to Ryan Sweeting as well. However, they did not live with him and his vices. Kaley has dozens of quotes where she gushes about Karl and that he is her perfect match. Then why give up and try to work things out?

I agree with most of what you said and I don’t think Kaley gave up on Ryan, he had a history with drugs and he was having problems which she was trying to support, but unless you live with a drug addict you can’t understand the hell.  Ryan’s taking off those couple days and disappearing appeared to be what broke Kaley, though you could say she could have still divorced him but still funded his rehab, we really don’t know what was going on between them or how bad it was.  Anyway, I don’t see any parallel between Ryan and Karl, and like you said they seemed to be making their unique careers work, at least through their third wedding anniversary, that is why I believe there was some kind of triggering event, one thing that set this separation all in motion, because it was sudden and final it appears.  Maybe it was about having kids, one of them found someone else because of their constant separation, maybe Kaley wanted him to completely move into the new house, it could have been almost any specific thing that made them step back and say this isn’t working, but I do think there was a single triggering event.  I’m now just wondering if they can be around each other in the future without problems since they do go to a lot of the same horse shows, at least they did before they met and during their marriage, because Kaley has a passion for her horse riding, so it would be sad if she was restricted now in competition because of awkwardness of being at shows her EX is competing.

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3 hours ago, SRAM said:

I agree with most of what you said and I don’t think Kaley gave up on Ryan, he had a history with drugs and he was having problems which she was trying to support, but unless you live with a drug addict you can’t understand the hell.  Ryan’s taking off those couple days and disappearing appeared to be what broke Kaley, though you could say she could have still divorced him but still funded his rehab, we really don’t know what was going on between them or how bad it was.  Anyway, I don’t see any parallel between Ryan and Karl, and like you said they seemed to be making their unique careers work, at least through their third wedding anniversary, that is why I believe there was some kind of triggering event, one thing that set this separation all in motion, because it was sudden and final it appears.  Maybe it was about having kids, one of them found someone else because of their constant separation, maybe Kaley wanted him to completely move into the new house, it could have been almost any specific thing that made them step back and say this isn’t working, but I do think there was a single triggering event.  I’m now just wondering if they can be around each other in the future without problems since they do go to a lot of the same horse shows, at least they did before they met and during their marriage, because Kaley has a passion for her horse riding, so it would be sad if she was restricted now in competition because of awkwardness of being at shows her EX is competing.

I agree that there was a specific triggering event that set things in motion. I just don't think we will ever know unless Kaley, Karl, or if they know, family members talk about it. Everyone in the know seem to be mum on the subject at this time. All we have right now is media speculations.

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3 hours ago, SRAM said:

I agree with most of what you said and I don’t think Kaley gave up on Ryan, he had a history with drugs and he was having problems which she was trying to support, but unless you live with a drug addict you can’t understand the hell.  Ryan’s taking off those couple days and disappearing appeared to be what broke Kaley, though you could say she could have still divorced him but still funded his rehab, we really don’t know what was going on between them or how bad it was.  Anyway, I don’t see any parallel between Ryan and Karl, and like you said they seemed to be making their unique careers work, at least through their third wedding anniversary, that is why I believe there was some kind of triggering event, one thing that set this separation all in motion, because it was sudden and final it appears.  Maybe it was about having kids, one of them found someone else because of their constant separation, maybe Kaley wanted him to completely move into the new house, it could have been almost any specific thing that made them step back and say this isn’t working, but I do think there was a single triggering event.  I’m now just wondering if they can be around each other in the future without problems since they do go to a lot of the same horse shows, at least they did before they met and during their marriage, because Kaley has a passion for her horse riding, so it would be sad if she was restricted now in competition because of awkwardness of being at shows her EX is competing.

Well said  Here are some quotes Kaley has said about her relationship and marriage to Karl which makes your theory on a trigger event seem plausible.  Kaley stated that "she has to be with someone who really has their own life and career and is not emasculated by her fame and success"  Guess she still was not happy because Karl was all of that "I know I don't need Karl for anything I am financially set and if Karl left me tomorrow I'd be fine and he knows it and he would be fine too" Seemed very prophetic

After her divorce announcement she said "it wasn't right with Karl"  She wanted something different and felt they were not on the same page for the future as Kaley wanted to go in a different direction and have different types of experiences. It became clear it wasn't going to work with Karl.  Have no idea what her thinking was here Did she want an open marriage to meet other people? This sounds like it might have been building and whatever the trigger was brought it out  The last quote I read seemed to be a contradiction of her life. Back in 2017 she had a party at her house and said "I am realizing the other night meant the world to me for so many reasons, but some of those reasons go deeper than anyone could ever know. I never thought I could find someone that looks at me the exact way i look at them. With 100% truth Karl you are my Prince Charming"  A very telling indication of how she felt that was not fulfilled.

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I wonder if a “trigger” could be the way her career is taking off and changing. She is not only an actress but now a producer. She’s in charge of her own projects and for the most part that’s where her work is coming from (I know—the movie she just filmed in NYC and the Larry David show appearance as well as the Kevin Hart movie filming in Toronto soon are not Yes Norman productions). I think she is stepping back from her involvement with horses and will be all in on acting/producing. Perhaps Karl wasn’t happy with that and that could also be a reason for her to delay having children. We will probably never know and will just continue to speculate…


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1 hour ago, hokie3457 said:

I wonder if a “trigger” could be the way her career is taking off and changing. She is not only an actress but now a producer. She’s in charge of her own projects and for the most part that’s where her work is coming from (I know—the movie she just filmed in NYC and the Larry David show appearance as well as the Kevin Hart movie filming in Toronto soon are not Yes Norman productions). I think she is stepping back from her involvement with horses and will be all in on acting/producing. Perhaps Karl wasn’t happy with that and that could also be a reason for her to delay having children. We will probably never know and will just continue to speculate…


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Think you may be right. She wants to be "a full-on girl boss" and that looks like her priority now. But I wonder what will happen when she gets the wanderlust to have a man in her life.

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2 hours ago, hokie3457 said:

We will probably never know and will just continue to speculate…

 

You’re right there, if her divorce from Ryan is any example, neither of them really ever offered much of any information, and that divorce was a little contentious.  Anyway, like has been said before, it is her life and I do feel a little bad about my desire to know more about what happened.

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4 minutes ago, SRAM said:

I do feel a little bad about my desire to know more about what happened.

I really don't want to know unless he or she wants to comment on the subject.

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46 minutes ago, SRAM said:

You’re right there, if her divorce from Ryan is any example, neither of them really ever offered much of any information, and that divorce was a little contentious.  Anyway, like has been said before, it is her life and I do feel a little bad about my desire to know more about what happened.

You are right but as fans of Kaley I guess curiosity gets the best of us.

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Just a thought, but it seems to me that Kaley, and Karl, built that new home and I really feel that Kaley expected it to be their future home, but except for their COVID lockdown, did he really ever live there?  It must have been a little weird for Kaley to keep coming home to a home with no husband, I just wonder if that may have happened one too many times.

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18 minutes ago, SRAM said:

Just a thought, but it seems to me that Kaley, and Karl, built that new home and I really feel that Kaley expected it to be their future home, but except for their COVID lockdown, did he really ever live there?  It must have been a little weird for Kaley to keep coming home to a home with no husband, I just wonder if that may have happened one too many times.

From what I gathered Karl was gone in February for about six weeks and then in June for about another five to six weeks. Don't believe they were even together on their anniversary as they only traded IG messages. Then Karl came home around July 4 for a few days and then went back to Michigan. When he returned home for good around July 20 Kaley then prepared to go to NY to film the movie with Pete Davidson. So to say they did not spend alot of time together is an understatement. Guess this may not have been the trigger but it certainly was the catalyst.

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9 minutes ago, Mario D. said:

. Guess this may not have been the trigger but it certainly was the catalyst.

Very good possibility.

37 minutes ago, SRAM said:

Just a thought, but it seems to me that Kaley, and Karl, built that new home and I really feel that Kaley expected it to be their future home, but except for their COVID lockdown, did he really ever live there?  It must have been a little weird for Kaley to keep coming home to a home with no husband, I just wonder if that may have happened one too many times.

Very interesting insight.

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Honestly, I think Kaley was cursed after she bought that kardashian house and moved her and Ryan into it.  After being in Buffy the Vampire Slayer, And playing Penny, Kaley should have known curses are real.

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1 hour ago, SRAM said:

Honestly, I think Kaley was cursed after she bought that kardashian house and moved her and Ryan into it.  After being in Buffy the Vampire Slayer, And playing Penny, Kaley should have known curses are real.

Most definitely!

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8 hours ago, Mario D. said:

From what I gathered Karl was gone in February for about six weeks and then in June for about another five to six weeks. Don't believe they were even together on their anniversary as they only traded IG messages. Then Karl came home around July 4 for a few days and then went back to Michigan. When he returned home for good around July 20 Kaley then prepared to go to NY to film the movie with Pete Davidson. So to say they did not spend alot of time together is an understatement. Guess this may not have been the trigger but it certainly was the catalyst.

When you talk about not having time together, you also have to look into the future.   Karl's ranch,  his source of income is in San Diego.   He doesn't just ride, he, along with his business partner, also breeds and trains horses and he oversees the running of the ranch.  That particular job requires him to be in San Diego for long stretches.   It may be only a two hour drive, but that is each way.  Each day, he'd be looking at a situation where he would be getting to their home north of LA,  in time to get to bed.   A situation that would be like he wasn't there.

Also, I'm not sure if anyone here has really noticed, but since last year, he has been on a rather lengthly streak of doing well in tournaments.  He now has three horses that he competes with in the Grand Prix and FEI events.  Continuing to do well, and moving into a higher bracket, possibly the Olympics, would require more training time, more time with the horses, more traveling, as most of the big events are on the east coast, in Kentucky and Tennessee, along with Florida, even while continuing to run the ranch.   

I know we follow Kaley, and we know her career is really going well.  But, as an executive  producer, she'll be responsible for overseeing all the details of the productions.  You add in her acting (we now hear she's shot an appearance on "Curb Your Enthusiasm"  in addition to everything else), and she may have to work on those production details, for the next production, the same day she was acting in a current production.  As a result of that, she's also not home because of the long hours and traveling.

 I think the triggering event could have been them sitting down looking for when they would have some time together, and realized that it wasn't going to happen in the near future, or even the far future, unless one or the other gave up their careers.  And if  neither one of them wanted to give up their careers, there may have been a realization that there was no reason to stay  married.  As far as kids, if they weren't willing to give up their careers, kids should be out of the question.

 

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6 hours ago, Tensor said:

When you talk about not having time together, you also have to look into the future.   Karl's ranch,  his source of income is in San Diego.   He doesn't just ride, he, along with his business partner, also breeds and trains horses and he oversees the running of the ranch.  That particular job requires him to be in San Diego for long stretches.   It may be only a two hour drive, but that is each way.  Each day, he'd be looking at a situation where he would be getting to their home north of LA,  in time to get to bed.   A situation that would be like he wasn't there.

Also, I'm not sure if anyone here has really noticed, but since last year, he has been on a rather lengthly streak of doing well in tournaments.  He now has three horses that he competes with in the Grand Prix and FEI events.  Continuing to do well, and moving into a higher bracket, possibly the Olympics, would require more training time, more time with the horses, more traveling, as most of the big events are on the east coast, in Kentucky and Tennessee, along with Florida, even while continuing to run the ranch.   

I know we follow Kaley, and we know her career is really going well.  But, as an executive  producer, she'll be responsible for overseeing all the details of the productions.  You add in her acting (we now hear she's shot an appearance on "Curb Your Enthusiasm"  in addition to everything else), and she may have to work on those production details, for the next production, the same day she was acting in a current production.  As a result of that, she's also not home because of the long hours and traveling.

 I think the triggering event could have been them sitting down looking for when they would have some time together, and realized that it wasn't going to happen in the near future, or even the far future, unless one or the other gave up their careers.  And if  neither one of them wanted to give up their careers, there may have been a realization that there was no reason to stay  married.  As far as kids, if they weren't willing to give up their careers, kids should be out of the question.

 

I never thought about Karl's busy schedule other than his tournament competitions. So, your thoughts on the triggering events may very well be right. I guess it was easier to be married while she was Penny in TBBT. As most of her time was in LA.

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7 hours ago, Tensor said:

When you talk about not having time together, you also have to look into the future.   Karl's ranch,  his source of income is in San Diego.   He doesn't just ride, he, along with his business partner, also breeds and trains horses and he oversees the running of the ranch.  That particular job requires him to be in San Diego for long stretches.   It may be only a two hour drive, but that is each way.  Each day, he'd be looking at a situation where he would be getting to their home north of LA,  in time to get to bed.   A situation that would be like he wasn't there.

Also, I'm not sure if anyone here has really noticed, but since last year, he has been on a rather lengthly streak of doing well in tournaments.  He now has three horses that he competes with in the Grand Prix and FEI events.  Continuing to do well, and moving into a higher bracket, possibly the Olympics, would require more training time, more time with the horses, more traveling, as most of the big events are on the east coast, in Kentucky and Tennessee, along with Florida, even while continuing to run the ranch.   

I know we follow Kaley, and we know her career is really going well.  But, as an executive  producer, she'll be responsible for overseeing all the details of the productions.  You add in her acting (we now hear she's shot an appearance on "Curb Your Enthusiasm"  in addition to everything else), and she may have to work on those production details, for the next production, the same day she was acting in a current production.  As a result of that, she's also not home because of the long hours and traveling.

 I think the triggering event could have been them sitting down looking for when they would have some time together, and realized that it wasn't going to happen in the near future, or even the far future, unless one or the other gave up their careers.  And if  neither one of them wanted to give up their careers, there may have been a realization that there was no reason to stay  married.  As far as kids, if they weren't willing to give up their careers, kids should be out of the question.

 

I have to agree with everything you say. Looking at it this way their explanation as to the divorce certainly holds true. It just seems to me that Kaley wanted someone with his own career and life so he would not be effected by her fame and success. It is very sad that she got what she wanted in Karl but still could not make it work. I guess they just could not come up with a compromise plan for their future. 

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9 hours ago, Tensor said:

 

 I think the triggering event could have been them sitting down looking for when they would have some time together, and realized that it wasn't going to happen in the near future, or even the far future, unless one or the other gave up their careers.  And if  neither one of them wanted to give up their careers, there may have been a realization that there was no reason to stay  married.  As far as kids, if they weren't willing to give up their careers, kids should be out of the question.

 

I have to think that having that beautiful new home and everything, then finding yourself alone on your third anniversary had to be a eye opener for Kaley that their marriage was more like two ships passing each other in the night.  So, just like Tensor said, they may have just discussed it, decided it wasn’t going to get any better and decided to end it.

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28 minutes ago, SRAM said:

I have to think that having that beautiful new home and everything, then finding yourself alone on your third anniversary had to be a eye opener for Kaley that their marriage was more like two ships passing each other in the night.  So, just like Tensor said, they may have just discussed it, decided it wasn’t going to get any better and decided to end it.

Agreed

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3 hours ago, SRAM said:

I have to think that having that beautiful new home and everything, then finding yourself alone on your third anniversary had to be a eye opener for Kaley that their marriage was more like two ships passing each other in the night.  So, just like Tensor said, they may have just discussed it, decided it wasn’t going to get any better and decided to end it.

Unfortunately, that looks like the most plausible scenario. Hope their future is better

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