ATOB Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Heck even when discussing things with someone, there's no guarantees. Recently I got accused of being a misogynist knuckle dragging neanderthal just because my comments on Penny's hair this season weren't politically correct enough (never mind the fact that I said that short hair works better on some people more than others, I even brought up how Mariska Hargitay's SVU character Olivia Benson looked better with short hair then long). But the longer the debate went on the more it became clear to me that specific person didn't want to see any nuances in my comments. They were determined to see what their gut told them I was, regardless of whether it was relevant or that they had next to nothing to prove that. Once it sunk into my head that nothing I say or do was going to change that, it was easy to just let bygones be bygones and realize that some aren't worth the time and struggle to debate something with. . Excuse me! I did not at any point call you a misogynist knuckle dragging Neanderthal, so you can stop the muck spreading right now! In fact, during our 'debate', I was the one on the receiving end of the insults, let me see, I recall being called "childish", " ignorant", "arrogant" as well as being on the receiving end of a rather feeble attempt to 'crazy-lady' me (it's all in your head dearie). Deleting your responses on here does not remove the posts of yours that I've quoted. I have no issue with people not liking short hair on women (why would I, it's a personal preference?), I do take issue with those who seek to put their opinion over as the correct opinion and claim to have no bias either way but simply know better than us proles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATOB Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Interesting article on the press' feminist baiting, Kaley is mentioned near the end. I'm a huge fan of Kim Gordon, so am a bit gutted she's attacking Lana Del Ray, it's not necessary and really mean-spirited. http://vagendamagazine.com/2015/03/why-we-need-to-stop-asking-are-you-a-feminist/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashleyo85 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 I very highly doubt that any 'personal friend' of Kaley's would post comments about her online, which she would then actively seek out. Any personal friend of Paley's would no doubt 'understand' the 'trauma' she is currently going through regarding social media and so would not post anything on the websites which are apparently giving Kaley so much grief. No personal friend of mine would post comments about me on a website; by doing that, they are not a personal friend anymore, just as I would never post comments, good or otherwise, about friends of mine online because of the potential hurt it could cause. I think they meant friends commenting on her IG photos, she may want to read those comments but then comes across people arguing about her looks etc. I don't think they meant that her friends would be posting comments on random gossip sites etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRAM Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 I like Kaley and I think she is an underrated actress who is much better than most critics want to admit. I also don't care for people trashing her, but I can't really get that upset about it because isn't that part of the dues you pay when you become a celebrity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaisyJane Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 I like Kaley and I think she is an underrated actress who is much better than most critics want to admit. I also don't care for people trashing her, but I can't really get that upset about it because isn't that part of the dues you pay when you become a celebrity? It is, I agree, but I think in Kaley's case it is completely unwarranted. There are a lot of actors whose work I enjoy despite having little respect for them otherwise, mainly because they make spectacles of themselves then play the victim when people call them out on their crap. I don't hate on those people via social media, but I also don't pity them when others do. I do, however, feel bad for Kaley as she does seem like a lovely person. But the good news is that she has a great support system and knows how to make fun of the comments she gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantagrae Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 If I told Kaley to her face that her hair looked great I would be outright lying. So it all depends on which you believe is the lesser of the two evils; personally, I would not say anything to her if possible because I know it is a sensitive subject but if she asked directly for my opinion, I wouldn't hesitate to tell her what I thought of it. I do not believe that Mayim is more attractive than Kaley; I was actually referring to Melissa, who I believe is now the beautiful one on the show. I think it's ridiculous to ask whether I would say all my opinions directly to those concerned- we all gossip from time to time, it is human nature. Everybody says things in private they wouldn't say directly to someone, and I'm sure Kaley does exactly the same when talking about her fellow cast members and other people she knows. It's a part of life. I don't think someone saying 'you should grow your hair out' is a 'personal comment implying she isn't attractive' at all. It is simply a suggestion saying how they think Kaley would look better. I wouldn't be upset at all if someone suggested that to me, or someone I know. I get suggestions like that from people all the time, but different people have different opinions and I just accept that and usually ignore them. I very highly doubt that any 'personal friend' of Kaley's would post comments about her online, which she would then actively seek out. Any personal friend of Paley's would no doubt 'understand' the 'trauma' she is currently going through regarding social media and so would not post anything on the websites which are apparently giving Kaley so much grief. No personal friend of mine would post comments about me on a website; by doing that, they are not a personal friend anymore, just as I would never post comments, good or otherwise, about friends of mine online because of the potential hurt it could cause. I'll say it again, Kaley is her own worst enemy by looking at these comments. If she really doesn't care what people think of her, she should just deactivate her accounts because otherwise they just become targets of abuse. A lot of people (including me) thought she was a beautiful woman in seasons 1-7 and has now ruined her image by cutting her hair in such a manly way, but if she doesn't want to hear those criticisms or get trolled, then she ought not to engage in social media. What I do agree with is something meka pointed out- if Kaley's words are taken out of context and skewed to make it seem like she was saying something different to what she was actually saying, then that is cruel and is not something I agree with. But other comments about her hair... She either needs to just take them with a pinch of salt and deal with them or not read them at all. What I meant by commenting on her hair to her face was that if she didn't ask for your opinion would you insist on telling her that you disliked her hair? That's what many of the random comments are whenever she posts something. The post may have nothing to do with her look--it may be about her dog or her husband or her horses or whatever, but there's always some a$$ who feels compelled to tell her what she should do with her hair. And that's just a mild example And ashleyo85 was correct--what I meant was that if Kaley posts a picture of herself with her friends or something about her personal life or whatever, she may scroll through her IG or twitter comments to see what her friends had to say. So she's not necessarily looking to see what Joe Schmoe thought about her post, but she may notice it anyway. We all like to play along with our favorite celebrities on social media--that's part of the fun. We can interact with friends and family as well as random people whose accounts we find interesting, like The Dogist or HumansofNY, and our favorite celebrity. Most people like to post pictures or comments they find funny or interesting or just to share what's going on in their lives, whether you're and anonymous person or a famous person, but I think that most people like to see supportive, positive, or fun comments, not crass remarks about their personal appearance. There are plenty of posts out there that will invite controversy, like ones that have to do with politics or religion or whatever, but not every post should be seen as an invitation to foist your personal opinion on someone who didn't ask for it. If Kaley wants to ask people for their opinion on her haircut, she will. But that doesn't mean that everything she posts is an invitation for such comments. You can hate her hair all you want, but unless she asks your opinion, I don't think you (collective you) should take every opportunity to gripe about it. Even if you think she "ruined her looks" (REALLY?!?!?!) by cutting her hair, that doesn't mean you need to say such things to her. There may be plenty of people who dislike your choices about your personal appearance, whether it's hair or clothes, etc., but I would be most people would keep their opinions to themselves unless they know you personally or you solicit their opinion. That's called being polite. Yes, most people, even when asked, might say, "You look fine" because it's generally considered impolite to criticize one's looks in most situations, unless they're close enough personal friends that they feel they can be brutally honest with you if they feel you need it. But NONE of us is close enough personal friends with Kaley or anyone else like that to go around saying crap like that. There's nothing wrong with keeping certain opinions to oneself. I'm using her haircut as an example but it goes for anything, of course. Fans on social media start to assume a relationship that isn't really there. I was looking at a post made by David Duchovny about an album he is releasing and some person posted something about how she wasn't going to read it (? she may have been thinking of the book he recently published) until he "learned to respond to comments" or something like that, as if he owed her a personal conversation or a response to something she had posted earlier, I guess. I'm sure he's all torn up about this one random person saying she's not going to buy his album. But that's how people have become--they think that because they can comment that they can therefore say whatever they want, even if they'd never do such things in polite company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashleyo85 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 (edited) So someone just posted this on one of her IG photos. Joking or not, they went WAY too far "Hey @normancook, how bout you share some of your wealth? I could use about $1,000 right now! Ill be your charity!?" Edited April 10, 2015 by ashleyo85 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewie99 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 All famous (and rich) people get begging letters, this is just one of those but in a different form. A lot of people are amazed that Kaley can be paid $1m a week for being in a TV show whilst they work 10 hour shifts on close to the minimum wage and can barely afford the rent. I am lucky enough not be be in that situation but some friends of mine are and they find it appalling that actors and sportspeople can get laid so much for doing a job less demanding than their own. The message was simply asking Kaley for some money. I didn't find it particularly rude and if I had received the message myself I wouldn't have been offended. I think because some people on this forum are big Kaley fans they are adamant that anything sent to Kaley which isn't praise of the highest order should be outlawed. I would like to ask users on here what they believe is actually acceptable to write on one of Kaley's photos? Where do you draw the line between constructive criticism and abuse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djsurrey Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 ... I would like to ask users on here what they believe is actually acceptable to write on one of Kaley's photos? Where do you draw the line between constructive criticism and abuse? I'm not really sure what you are asking but I'd go by the old rule. if you don't have something nice to say don't say anything at all. If a person does not know you at all why should they be subjected to your criticism? How could it be constructive if no trust has been established? Finding fault is easy. The world is better served when we work on our own faults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itwasdestined Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Stewie, I follow the cast on Instagram as a fan to see what they're doing and for any clues, spoilers, behind the scenes stuff regarding the show. I never post comments as I'm neither a stalker, a friend or someone desperate to be noticed by a famous person I'll never have a real relationship with. While I don't think celebrities should expect a sheltered existence free of any crap - that just won't happen on the Internet - I personally don't get why anyone goes to the effort of following someone on social media that they don't know personally just to give negative commentary. Really, what does anyone hope to achieve by telling Kaley her hair looks terrible under a video of her riding a horse or posting a request for charity money for themselves? Does this really give pleasure to people to anonymously criticise a celebrity? Now I'm not saying outlaw any critical statements if a celebrity makes a political statement or a takes a stance over a controversial issue, which Kaley, Majim and Jim have all done. If you put out a debatable opinion, be prepared for differing critical views. I got no problem with that. And to be honest, in those situations if they start something they should reply back to criticism if they felt strong enough in the first place. But the majority of Kaleys photos are dog, horse and husband inspired. Nothing to inspire criticism. If you like the photo, gush over them like a star struck fan if so inclined. Personally I just look and say good for you in my head. But if you don't like it, just say nothing and walk away. What's wrong with that? Commenting on a daily basis about her bloody hair or her 'mooching' husband or how much money she has and can I have some under a photo of a dog with his legs crossed or a horse jumping a wall? That's just trolling for attention. That my stance on it. I just don't see the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashleyo85 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 All famous (and rich) people get begging letters, this is just one of those but in a different form. A lot of people are amazed that Kaley can be paid $1m a week for being in a TV show whilst they work 10 hour shifts on close to the minimum wage and can barely afford the rent. I am lucky enough not be be in that situation but some friends of mine are and they find it appalling that actors and sportspeople can get laid so much for doing a job less demanding than their own. The message was simply asking Kaley for some money. I didn't find it particularly rude and if I had received the message myself I wouldn't have been offended. I think because some people on this forum are big Kaley fans they are adamant that anything sent to Kaley which isn't praise of the highest order should be outlawed. I would like to ask users on here what they believe is actually acceptable to write on one of Kaley's photos? Where do you draw the line between constructive criticism and abuse? I very rarely comment on celebrity photos, but if I do, it's about the photo itself (ie: congratulating Jim on his walk of fame star, or that Kaley's dog is cute). I would never leave a comment gushing over how much I love them, or could they add me to skype/email/facebook, or direct criticism/vulgar comments. I don't understand what the commenter is trying to achieve with that kind of stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRAM Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Has anyone heard, is Kaley doing any movies this summer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTBigBangTheoryFan Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Has anyone heard, is Kaley doing any movies this summer? Looking at her Wiki and IMDB page it does not look like it. I have to say I like Kaley short hair now especially as in recent episodes she been doing different stuff with it. It does suite her well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tensor Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 I have a feeling she'll be spending most of the summer following Ryan as he works to get back into the WTP tour. (She's headed to where ever he is this weekend). I really like her support of him trying to get back to the upper levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rachelshamyfan Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Maybe even if he comes to Europe for tournament qualifying she will come as well, she really missed him the month they spent apart recently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRAM Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 I have a feeling she'll be spending most of the summer following Ryan as he works to get back into the WTP tour. (She's headed to where ever he is this weekend). I really like her support of him trying to get back to the upper levels. Isn't unusual for someone as popular as she is right now, not to be doing more stuff? I really would be expecting to her to be getting ready for another movie right now, since she is at a high point in her career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tensor Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Isn't unusual for someone as popular as she is right now, not to be doing more stuff? I really would be expecting to her to be getting ready for another movie right now, since she is at a high point in her career. There may be things that haven't been announced, she could be taking the summer off. Her new contract allows her (and the four guys) to pick and chose what they want to do, and she may just want to take the summer off to be with Ryan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrismo Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 Saw a picture of Kaley in Georgia for a tennis tournament Ryan's playing in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tensor Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 Yeah, Ryan plays tomorrow. Her IG posts yesterday were from downtown Savannah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrismo Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 (edited) Well it appears she won't be there to see him play. Edited April 19, 2015 by Chrismo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tensor Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Nope, but she did get to spend the weekend with him. I loved the picture her friend took of Ryan and her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tensor Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Interesting, Ryan isn't showing up on the main draw as he was earlier today, on the Savannah Tournament site. And the matches for tomorrow no longer have him listed. Kaley also put up an IG showing him on the plane wither her. Wonder what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Interesting, Ryan isn't showing up on the main draw as he was earlier today, on the Savannah Tournament site. And the matches for tomorrow no longer have him listed, but he is still listed under players for the tournament. Kaley also put up an IG showing him on the plane wither her. Wonder what happened. Looks like Ryan is home playing with his dogs now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashleyo85 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Tennis Live shows him scheduled to play today (21st)? I can't find the match details on the Savannah Challenger website though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tensor Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Tennis Live shows him scheduled to play today (21st)? I can't find the match details on the Savannah Challenger website though...Yeah, I saw it on Saturday, but now I can't find it. I wonder if he flew home with her yesterday and flew back today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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