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42 minutes ago, ajond said:

That's because Comey cleared her before she was even investigated. Reason would be obstruction of justice for starters.

If you talking negativity , you should try MSM in US. Trump could cure cancer and the MSM would claim white privilege and that he is putting oncologists out of work. the fake news dupes (who are everywhere - Reddit, here) would be ranting about how he may or may bot have touched up someone 10 years ago.

No he couldn't, she destroyed them all.

Still waiting to hear why she is relevant. She lost. She lost to Trump. She’s sunk. This is surely just distraction from the Trump stuff, where in at least three domains he and his cohort  is being investigated in for real sins, not poor record keeping.

  • Possible criminal conspiracy (Manafort is in jail now for witness tampering and how many indictments?)
  • Cohen is being investigated for  mob style behaviour and hush money payments
  • The Trump foundation charity fraud and election finance law breaches

Never mind too that Trump breaches the Presidential Records Act ALL THE TIME because he is so habituated to covering his tracks that he can’t stop himself from tearing up documents once he has read them. They have to pay people to tape them back together. The first he was told about was the warning - since then every event is a crime.

Please, be critical.

 

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20 hours ago, ajond said:

You are correct, if they enforced all laws equally, crooked Hilary woild be in jail.

Right after Trump. After all the evidence presented you say...that? Your logic is flawed.

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So why does Trump have so much more compassion for Manaford than asylum seeking families with children?

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A federal judge ordered Paul Manafort to jail Friday over charges he tampered with witnesses while out on bail — a major blow for President Trump’s former campaign chairman as he awaits trial on federal conspiracy and money-laundering charges next month.

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"Wow, what a tough sentence for Paul Manafort, who has represented Ronald Reagan, Bob Dole and many other top political people and campaigns,....” 

from https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/manafort-ordered-to-jail-after-witness-tampering-charges/2018/06/15/ccc526cc-6e68-11e8-afd5-778aca903bbe_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.cebfa3958950

 

 

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Just read the last few pages of the thread, the answer is simple if you have a problem with Trump dont vote for him.

Oh wait most of you cant. Worry about your own governments and let us chose ours. You may not approve of our choices but then we didn't ask you to.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, JE7 said:

Just read the last few pages of the thread, the answer is simple if you have a problem with Trump dont vote for him.

Oh wait most of you cant. Worry about your own governments and let us chose ours. You may not approve of our choices but then we didn't ask you to.

That's something we could do if Trump were the President of Moldavia or some other tiny nation. But unfortunately, he's the former internet troll who became President of the United States and his actions have consequences that impact the entire world.

Thanks to him, we already will have a Trade War in the near future. And possibly a nuclear war in the middle east a bit later

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Non Americans opinions of our country or government matter to me not one bit.

But it seems the populist movements are rising every where, European style socialism is on life support and we are tired of being the western world's sheild and atm you can do whatever is in your country's best interest as we are now doing. 

But whether or not "the world" approves of our actions matters not at all. We are now looking out for ourselves nothing is stopping you from doing the same

Neville Chamberlain would love modern day europe and Winston Churchill is rolling in his grave

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21 minutes ago, JE7 said:

Non Americans opinions of our country or government matter to me not one bit.

But it seems the populist movements are rising every where, European style socialism is on life support and we are tired of being the western world's sheild and atm you can do whatever is in your country's best interest as we are now doing. 

But whether or not "the world" approves of our actions matters not at all. We are now looking out for ourselves nothing is stopping you from doing the same

Neville Chamberlain would love modern day europe and Winston Churchill is rolling in his grave

Sorry buddy, but this is the widespread arrogance that the US repeatedly shows to the rest of the world. But hello, main thing "god's own country"?

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This is my last post on this subject since politics is not really why I come here.

I know many claim we Americans are arrogant and many of us think Europeans just envious, but I am reminded of something I heard when I was in the military...

Yeh tho I walk thru the valley of death I am not afraid, for I know I am the baddest motherfucker in the valley

That has been true for at least the last hundred years and those empires we supplanted to get there will never forgive us for it even though they owe us in large part for the freedom and economic prosperity many of us feel they are now throwing away.

Makes me wonder if the Marshal plan was just a huge waste of money maybe we should have just done Versailles 2. But then empire building is not really our thing

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1 hour ago, JE7 said:

Oh wait most of you cant. Worry about your own governments and let us chose ours. You may not approve of our choices but then we didn't ask you to.

Perhaps we will worry about the future of life on this planet we all share. I think the USA has been a net benefit to the world through much of it's history. Certainly to my place of origin. I also think in a world that includes nuclear weapons globalization is the path to peace and prosperity. The people of the world have to strive to teamwork for the prosperity and development of all. It is not about winners and losers. We will live or die as a family.

"It's a small world after all"
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@JE7  Sure. “Might makes right.” Understood. Good to get that perspective. Ask Tripper to intervene if you are upset and feel the discussion breaches the forum guidelines.

And let’s hope that the rule of law under your constitution is maintained.  That’s my worry for the USA and world order. Trump is pushing as far and as hard as he wants. It’s scary from here, when the leader of the remaining global superpower praises murderous  despots.

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4 hours ago, Nogravitasatall said:

And let’s hope that the rule of law under your constitution is maintained.  That’s my worry for the USA and world order. Trump is pushing as far and as hard as he wants. It’s scary from here, when the leader of the remaining global superpower praises murderous  despots.

Wouldn't be that bad if the republicans weren't such spineless cowards.

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12 hours ago, son-goku5 said:

Wouldn't be that bad if the republicans weren't such spineless cowards.

They went with Nixon until they didn’t - but it took years. Things are happening. The Southern Baptists have elected new leadership, so minds do change. If the tariffs cost jobs and hit prices, and Trump behaves like he says does in regard to justice, then those who sit out elections might get off their chairs and get out. Trump is still only at 40ish%. Let’s not tar the whole lot with the one brush. Not till 2020 maybe. That’ll be telling. But we’ll likely be back to pre-WW1 geo-politics. And now we know that getting a nuclear device is a ticket to the big leagues. It’s just been demonstrated. *sigh*

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On 6/16/2018 at 2:23 AM, JE7 said:

Just read the last few pages of the thread, the answer is simple if you have a problem with Trump dont vote for him.

Oh wait most of you cant. Worry about your own governments and let us chose ours. You may not approve of our choices but then we didn't ask you to.

 

 

Wait a minute I know you said most, but I am in agreement with of all the posts against Trump, and I see nothing wrong with facts in them against him. FYI I can vote in this country since I'm a US citizen. My opinion is valid, but so is that of people who are reasonable and present good arguments.  Asking to simply shut up is getting very defensive indeed. I thought the forum was a place where everybody had the right to voice their opinions. What do you think this is? Our country? Where no on is supposed to talk bad about Trump? Guess what. It's not, they have and there is no anything you can do about it (unless they break forum rules) in which case it is not even up to you to do anything about it.

On 6/16/2018 at 2:46 AM, JE7 said:

Non Americans opinions of our country or government matter to me not one bit.

But it seems the populist movements are rising every where, European style socialism is on life support and we are tired of being the western world's sheild and atm you can do whatever is in your country's best interest as we are now doing. 

But whether or not "the world" approves of our actions matters not at all. We are now looking out for ourselves nothing is stopping you from doing the same

Neville Chamberlain would love modern day europe and Winston Churchill is rolling in his grave

Back to talking about TBBT and enough of this you say in your reasons for editing your post?  I'm from right here (the ol' US of A).  And please, don't talk as if you represent all of us because you clearly don't. If don't want to talk about politics jus don't come to this sub forum, but if you do be prepared to listen to everybody's opinions.

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3 hours ago, Nogravitasatall said:

If the tariffs cost jobs and hit prices

They will. China has announced $50 billion worth of tariffs and almost 75% of those will hit Trump supporting areas (they are on agrigultural goods like soybeans, corn, wheat, beef, pork and seafood. Later, they might even add things like oil, natural gas, coal etc.

The problem (from an impact issue) is that those kinds of economic changes sometimes take years to impact the broad masses.

3 hours ago, Nogravitasatall said:

They went with Nixon until they didn’t - but it took years. Things are happening.

We're far away from Nixon. Under Nixon, the republicans weren't spineless cowards afraid of their base. That fear didn't start under Trump though, it began in 2010 when the tea bag people came to power and primary became a verb. Even if the Democrats gain control of congress and Mueller gives them a report that says Trump committed multiple impeachable offenses (which he did) and the Democrats vote for impeachment, I doubt the Senate would convict him unless they have 70+ Democrats there as well.

And quite frankly, even though I'm not a US citizen and I don't like what Trump is doing to the world with his stupidity, I don't want him impeached. I want the congress to be a real check on him and I want the voters to realize him to be the moron he is and vote him out of office. Impeachment would take the voters off the hook.

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1 hour ago, son-goku5 said:

They will. China has announced $50 billion worth of tariffs and almost 75% of those will hit Trump supporting areas (they are on agrigultural goods like soybeans, corn, wheat, beef, pork and seafood. Later, they might even add things like oil, natural gas, coal etc.

The problem (from an impact issue) is that those kinds of economic changes sometimes take years to impact the broad masses.

If Trump doubles down as he ever does, then maybe he will accelerate the impact. Who knows. Bonkers things are happening - ask Canada. People might pay attention.

1 hour ago, son-goku5 said:

We're far away from Nixon. Under Nixon, the republicans weren't spineless cowards afraid of their base. That fear didn't start under Trump though, it began in 2010 when the tea bag people came to power and primary became a verb. Even if the Democrats gain control of congress and Mueller gives them a report that says Trump committed multiple impeachable offenses (which he did) and the Democrats vote for impeachment, I doubt the Senate would convict him unless they have 70+ Democrats there as well.

I understand it took years of the Watergate investigation before action. We aren’t at years yet. True, it is not inspiring that only the retiring elected Republican members speak out. That more of the population isn’t concerned suprises me. Lies about Jade Helm got people’s knickers in twist but this doesn’t. It might be a slow burn (Well done Putin, what!).

1 hour ago, son-goku5 said:

And quite frankly, even though I'm not a US citizen and I don't like what Trump is doing to the world with his stupidity, I don't want him impeached. I want the congress to be a real check on him and I want the voters to realize him to be the moron he is and vote him out of office. 

^^^ 100% 

1 hour ago, son-goku5 said:

 Impeachment would take the voters off the hook.

Going by what I recall from high school studies about WW1, the Weimar Republic and some non-trivial effects from perceived unjust outcomes, the best outcome is an electoral one.  Self-determination and responsibility is a good thing. Otherwise... well.

For laughs:

That said, maybe the world does get a Trump for life and a subsequent dynasty. At least Ivanka would put a woman on the $US currency.  It could be a real prospect. Imagine that. And, at least, if that happens and we see it, then we haven’t been incinerated. That’s a low bar I know. But hey...

 

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8 hours ago, Nogravitasatall said:

If Trump doubles down as he ever does, then maybe he will accelerate the impact. Who knows. Bonkers things are happening - ask Canada. People might pay attention.

Canada is looking at putting tariffs on Trump properties and companies, not on US goods.  Which I find hilarious.  

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On 6/15/2018 at 6:32 PM, ajond said:

No he couldn't, she destroyed them all.

Not nearly all of them and she was not and is not the only politician to use a private server for work e-mails. Trump does it himself.

 

Just to be clear, the following comment attributed to veejay, was a quote by veejay, from a JE7 post.

On 6/16/2018 at 3:09 AM, veejay said:

Non Americans opinions of our country or government matter to me not one bit.

Most of us are non Americans but are affected by what happens here.

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57 minutes ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

Not nearly all of them and she was not and is not the only politician to use a private server for work e-mails. Trump does it himself.

Most of us are non Americans but are affected by what happens here.

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Every country's foreign policy affects other countries. That's what it's for. Anyone on the receiving end should be free to comment. Whether or not such a freedom exists depends on the domestic policy of the country they live in. 

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