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13 minutes ago, chucky said:

I wasn't too impressed with her moronic commercials!

Since it's my opinion, it only needs to make sense to me!

What was worse was her ads were shown during TBBT. Personally I would rather see a TBBT repeat instead of her show.

8 hours ago, Tensor said:

Like I always explain to people who complain about their free speech when posts are hidden or edited or suspended or whatever Tripper or I do here on the forums.   Free speech issues are based on the Government not being able to inhibit your speech.   In the case of this forum, it belongs and is run by Tripper.  I also moderate this forum based on Tripper's wishes.   Tripper sets the rules, and if you don't follow those rules,  we, not the government, can edit or hide your posts, or if you continue to violate the rules, you can be suspended or banned.   If you don't like that, you are free to start your own forum, and run it any way you want to.  In that case, the government can't tell you how to run your forum, just as they can't tell Tripper how to run his.  

Interestingly, the difference between the Samantha Bee comments, and Roseanne comments involve free speech issues.   No government entity called for ABC to terminate Roseanne, as it should be.  The calls for that were from private citizens and she was fired by a corporation, not the government.   

However, in the Samantha Bee case,  the government, in the form of an official of the government, Sarah Sanders,  called for TBS and Time Warner to demonstrate that such language not be used against member of the administration.   Guess what, that is the government trying to stifle speech, something the government is not allowed to do.   Now, other private citizens may object to it also, TBS or Time Warner may object,  but Sanders' called is a violation of the constitution.  

I never heard or saw Sarah Sanders mentioned the constitution. Also the time frame of the Roseanne cancellation was quick. I knew the cancellation before what was said. I think Sanders comments were said quite a bit after the show was aired. I'm not sure why she had to comment on Roseanne after the fact.

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2 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

What was worse was her ads were shown during TBBT. Personally I would rather see a TBBT repeat instead of her show.

God yes, I had to continuously hit the previous button on the remote so I didn't see or hear her commercials. Although sometimes I'd hit mute and get a glass of water. That was the best part of her commercials, I got time for snack breaks or restroom breaks without missing too much of what I was watching. 😊

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9 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

I never heard or saw Sarah Sanders mentioned the constitution. Also the time frahe Roseanne cancellation was quick. I knew the cancellation before what was said. I think Sanders comments were said quite a bit after the show was aired. I'm not sure why she had to comment on Roseanne after the fact.

I never said she mentioned the constitution.  And, I also never said she talked about Roseanne.  What Sanders called for, was for TBS and Time Warner to do something about Samantha Bee’s show (it was heavily implied by Sanders that it should be cancelled) .   That is the government calling for a restriction of speech( Sanders is a representative of the government). 

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3 minutes ago, Tensor said:

I never said she mentioned the constitution.  And, I also never said she talked about Roseanne.  What Sanders called for, was for TBS and Time Warner to do something about Samantha Bee’s show (it was heavily implied by Sanders that it should be cancelled) .   That is the government calling for a restriction of speech( Sanders is a representative of the government). 

Is the c word common word on cable? I'm not meaning HBO or Showtime.

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15 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

Is the c word common word on cable? I'm not meaning HBO or Showtime.

Whether or not it’s common, it’s evidently allowed.   Basic cable allows shit and goddam, although Conan mentioned they could only say shit three times in the broadcast.  So common and allowed are two different things. 

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21 minutes ago, Tensor said:

Whether or not it’s common, it’s evidently allowed.   Basic cable allows shit and goddam, although Conan mentioned they could only say shit three times in the broadcast.  So common and allowed are two different things. 

I’d imagine  the USA have broadcast standards that delineate what is permissible for licence holders to publish, as we do in Oz. I’d expect the content rating covers broadcast language, same as for cinema. If something has a rating  it should comply. I’d be surprised if an edited show on cable used language outside the standard. The standards are knowable.

So if they use permitted strong language they are taking an editorial position. Sure, they can be accountable in the market place after the broadcast.  Also it’s likely complaints can be made to the regulator for breaches of standards. 

But hey. USA might be different than Oz. Maybe it goes to court.

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1 hour ago, Nogravitasatall said:

I’d imagine  the USA have broadcast standards that delineate what is permissible for licence holders to publish, as we do in Oz. I’d expect the content rating covers broadcast language, same as for cinema. If something has a rating  it should comply. I’d be surprised if an edited show on cable used language outside the standard. The standards are knowable.

So if they use permitted strong language they are taking an editorial position. Sure, they can be accountable in the market place after the broadcast.  Also it’s likely complaints can be made to the regulator for breaches of standards. 

But hey. USA might be different than Oz. Maybe it goes to court.

Alright, well said and I couldn't agree more.  

Way to go!

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22 hours ago, Chrismo said:

Is it over simplification? What had Kunal, Simon, and Melissa done before TBBT? What Roseanne said was her fault alone. Unfortunately she's done this in the past and this happening should not be a shock to anyone.

I was alluding to the fact that Sara did more than just Roseanne in her life up to this point, I don't know what Kunal and Melissa have to do with this, but OK. While you're right in your assessment that Roseanne's behavior shouldn't be a shock to anyone, it also shouldn't be a shock to Roseanne that ABC reacted in the way it did, should it?

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I Don't think ABC Cancelling Roseanne was the shock. Thy are a family entity owned network. Surly they know what they were gtting with Roseanne. Some have argued ABC's lack of consistency on these matters in the past. In 2009 Adam Lambert performed a "risque" performance. That would b deemed tame by todays standards now. And they censored him. Homophobia? Well of course. That exists in the states. Double Standards also exists too. You would have to be naive to not think that. Another case was A TV Reporters calling Ivanka Trump with profanity. She still has her job. Soooo. Like I Said ABC and their subsidies, are well in their rights to Can the show. Maybe if it was on another network like FX, HBO, Fox. Things might have been different. 

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On 6/1/2018 at 9:06 AM, Chrismo said:

I’m sorry using the c word is never right. You can disagree all you want with the Trumps (without him she wouldn’t have a show) but it never should have gotten to that point. No

I reversing myself. You were right, largely. :)  I’m now going to agree that she was wrong to use such a crass expression - though I think she was within her rights to say it. 

Not because of the crassness per se (and there is another issue to unpack about why it’s considered worse than, say, just dick, which goes to the consideration of the status of women and why such an feature of anatomy is so maligned).

Rather, because she used the wrong word to reach out past her regular audience and so stepped on her message. I can’t find the right word for beneficiary of nepotism, but that’s what she could have said - if such a word exist. I’m sure it does. So “feckless <beneficiary of nepotism>“. And then her point would not have squashed. And we would have had a fine word to discuss, not a closed loop of pearl clutching.

 I’m still searching, by the way, for that word. The practitioner of nepotism is a nepotist (in this case, her dad). I really don’t know the companion word for the beneficiary. Anyone?

 

 

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1 hour ago, Nogravitasatall said:

Rather, because she used the wrong word to reach out past her regular audience and so stepped on her message. I can’t find the right word for beneficiary of nepotism, but that’s what she could have said - if such a word exist. I’m sure it does. So “feckless <beneficiary of nepotism>“. And then her point would not have squashed. And we would have had a fine word to discuss, not a closed loop of pearl clutching.

 I’m still searching, by the way, for that word. The practitioner of nepotism is a nepotist (in this case, her dad). I really don’t know the companion word for the beneficiary. Anyone?

The word is "nepote", although it’s rather obscure and/or archaic.  You could also use "nephew", in it’s archaic sense. 

In Trump’s case though, he’s just a:

stultus mater irrumator praetor

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28 minutes ago, Tensor said:

 

The word is "nepote", although it’s rather obscure and/or archaic.  You could also use "nephew", in it’s archaic sense. 

In Trump’s case though, he’s just a:

stultus mater irrumator praetor

alright, interesting.

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50 minutes ago, Tensor said:

 

The word is "nepote", although it’s rather obscure and/or archaic.  You could also use "nephew", in it’s archaic sense. 

In Trump’s case though, he’s just a:

stultus mater irrumator praetor

I like nepote. It should catch on. Thank you! I hope to hear it in some YouTube clip , from PBS maybe.

Grifter, by the way, doesn’t resonate here. It’s not a common word at all, but maybe it’s being popularised lately. 

The Latin might make some blush. Hehe.

 

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54 minutes ago, Tensor said:

...

In Trump’s case though, he’s just a:

stultus mater irrumator praetor

LOL

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...but vici?

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On 6/1/2018 at 12:01 AM, Carlos said:

Thank you so much, chucky, couldn't have said it better myself.

Well but that's not what free speech means. Not to mention that "why sticks and stones?" No. People shouldn't be talking shit about other people. And that has nothing to do with political correctness, as your picture implies. IMO, it has to do with not being a dick.

Carlos I love you man but if I want to be a dick I have the right to be a dick. I dont agree with or approve of what either woman said but the totally opposite treatment of them simply goes to show that there is a double standard in our country and it is especially prominent in our entertainment industry. If you are a liberal as most in Hollywood are you can say anything and they will find a way to excuse you if you aren't a liberal the media and news will vilify you to the most extreme possible in the hopes that others like you will just not say anything.

The left have been on the rise for decades and we see where that has gotten us, people are waking up Brexit, the Trump presidency  and the recent election results in Italy not to mention the Visigard countries show that the pendulum is swinging back to the more Conservative view.  And the left has dropped all pretense of civility and fairness in their fight to halt that swing. In today's world EVERYTHING is political

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@JE7    I wouldn't say conservative/liberal/socialist...but simply populist. There's more to the world than just black and white.

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27 minutes ago, veejay said:

@JE7    I wouldn't say conservative/liberal/socialist...but simply populist. There's more to the world than just black and white.

Just weighing in for the Italian political situation. The most advertised measures the new government has written in the government program (which was written after the election, the two political parties who now are governing in Italy have fought against each other for the past 10 years and decided after the election to join forces) and has said will be achieved are a flat tax (which I assume is a conservative thing) and a basic guaranteed income to be given to people in need for all the time they need it (which is such a progressive thing that not even Liberals in Italy have ever advocate for that). Mind you, they have not said us how they intend to find money for all those things....Populists sounds like the right word to me!

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56 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

...Populists sounds like the right word to me!

Today's worldwide politics seem to me more and more like an infinite B-movie about everyones wishful thinking. There are not daily "fake news", it’s more like some kind of pathetic "reality-TV".
Sometimes I find it difficult to suppress my acquired moral convictions on certain questions about this madness. I am therefore grateful that the main topic of this forum has been narrowly defined.

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1 hour ago, JE7 said:

Carlos I love you man but if I want to be a dick I have the right to be a dick. I dont agree with or approve of what either woman said but the totally opposite treatment of them simply goes to show that there is a double standard in our country and it is especially prominent in our entertainment industry. If you are a liberal as most in Hollywood are you can say anything and they will find a way to excuse you if you aren't a liberal the media and news will vilify you to the most extreme possible in the hopes that others like you will just not say anything.

The left have been on the rise for decades and we see where that has gotten us, people are waking up Brexit, the Trump presidency  and the recent election results in Italy not to mention the Visigard countries show that the pendulum is swinging back to the more Conservative view.  And the left has dropped all pretense of civility and fairness in their fight to halt that swing. In today's world EVERYTHING is political

Because I like to ask...

Aren’t the two women treated differently because they did different things?

One person made broad references because of presumed and factually unfounded associations that paint a whole set of humans with negative connotations and the other made very specific evidence based assertions that included a very personal and directed verbal exclamation point.

this might be better expressed but the gist is one person hit out without evidence and one person did not.  So, different actions should get different results. No?

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I don't trust any politician. Liberal, conservative - I don't care. I think they'll do anything to anyone as long as you wave enough money in front of them. 

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9 minutes ago, No Regrets said:

I don't trust any politician. Liberal, conservative - I don't care. I think they'll do anything to anyone as long as you wave enough money in front of them. 

But don’t expect any difference from one man rule either. 

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18 minutes ago, Nogravitasatall said:

But don’t expect any difference from one man rule either. 

That's interesting indeed. I feel the same way to a point.

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29 minutes ago, Nogravitasatall said:

But don’t expect any difference from one man rule either. 

Oh absolutely not. 

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Trumps folks are talking left and right as if they were talking about typical American politics but this is not typical politics when one man attempts and largely successfully changes the rules to skew towards him in ways that benefit no one but him, and attempt to change the rule of law to the rule of me.  This is not typically politics, nor a typical politician.  Perhaps if we had a different congress he would constrain his worst behaviors and be just another president attempting to expand executive branch power a bit more. 

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Just now, MsGreentea said:

This is not typically politics, nor a typical politician.  Perhaps if we had a different congress he would constrain his worst behaviors and be just another president attempting to expand executive branch power a bit more. 

No, it's just the typical behavior of someone who wants to be an autocrat.

And you have the chance to get a different congress in November. Use it.

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