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20 hours ago, ajond said:

You are correct, if they enforced all laws equally, crooked Hilary woild be in jail.

Right after Trump. After all the evidence presented you say...that? Your logic is flawed.

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So why does Trump have so much more compassion for Manaford than asylum seeking families with children?

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A federal judge ordered Paul Manafort to jail Friday over charges he tampered with witnesses while out on bail — a major blow for President Trump’s former campaign chairman as he awaits trial on federal conspiracy and money-laundering charges next month.

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"Wow, what a tough sentence for Paul Manafort, who has represented Ronald Reagan, Bob Dole and many other top political people and campaigns,....” 

from https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/manafort-ordered-to-jail-after-witness-tampering-charges/2018/06/15/ccc526cc-6e68-11e8-afd5-778aca903bbe_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.cebfa3958950

 

 

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Just read the last few pages of the thread, the answer is simple if you have a problem with Trump dont vote for him.

Oh wait most of you cant. Worry about your own governments and let us chose ours. You may not approve of our choices but then we didn't ask you to.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, JE7 said:

Just read the last few pages of the thread, the answer is simple if you have a problem with Trump dont vote for him.

Oh wait most of you cant. Worry about your own governments and let us chose ours. You may not approve of our choices but then we didn't ask you to.

That's something we could do if Trump were the President of Moldavia or some other tiny nation. But unfortunately, he's the former internet troll who became President of the United States and his actions have consequences that impact the entire world.

Thanks to him, we already will have a Trade War in the near future. And possibly a nuclear war in the middle east a bit later

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Non Americans opinions of our country or government matter to me not one bit.

But it seems the populist movements are rising every where, European style socialism is on life support and we are tired of being the western world's sheild and atm you can do whatever is in your country's best interest as we are now doing. 

But whether or not "the world" approves of our actions matters not at all. We are now looking out for ourselves nothing is stopping you from doing the same

Neville Chamberlain would love modern day europe and Winston Churchill is rolling in his grave

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21 minutes ago, JE7 said:

Non Americans opinions of our country or government matter to me not one bit.

But it seems the populist movements are rising every where, European style socialism is on life support and we are tired of being the western world's sheild and atm you can do whatever is in your country's best interest as we are now doing. 

But whether or not "the world" approves of our actions matters not at all. We are now looking out for ourselves nothing is stopping you from doing the same

Neville Chamberlain would love modern day europe and Winston Churchill is rolling in his grave

Sorry buddy, but this is the widespread arrogance that the US repeatedly shows to the rest of the world. But hello, main thing "god's own country"?

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This is my last post on this subject since politics is not really why I come here.

I know many claim we Americans are arrogant and many of us think Europeans just envious, but I am reminded of something I heard when I was in the military...

Yeh tho I walk thru the valley of death I am not afraid, for I know I am the baddest motherfucker in the valley

That has been true for at least the last hundred years and those empires we supplanted to get there will never forgive us for it even though they owe us in large part for the freedom and economic prosperity many of us feel they are now throwing away.

Makes me wonder if the Marshal plan was just a huge waste of money maybe we should have just done Versailles 2. But then empire building is not really our thing

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1 hour ago, JE7 said:

Oh wait most of you cant. Worry about your own governments and let us chose ours. You may not approve of our choices but then we didn't ask you to.

Perhaps we will worry about the future of life on this planet we all share. I think the USA has been a net benefit to the world through much of it's history. Certainly to my place of origin. I also think in a world that includes nuclear weapons globalization is the path to peace and prosperity. The people of the world have to strive to teamwork for the prosperity and development of all. It is not about winners and losers. We will live or die as a family.

"It's a small world after all"
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@JE7  Sure. “Might makes right.” Understood. Good to get that perspective. Ask Tripper to intervene if you are upset and feel the discussion breaches the forum guidelines.

And let’s hope that the rule of law under your constitution is maintained.  That’s my worry for the USA and world order. Trump is pushing as far and as hard as he wants. It’s scary from here, when the leader of the remaining global superpower praises murderous  despots.

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4 hours ago, Nogravitasatall said:

And let’s hope that the rule of law under your constitution is maintained.  That’s my worry for the USA and world order. Trump is pushing as far and as hard as he wants. It’s scary from here, when the leader of the remaining global superpower praises murderous  despots.

Wouldn't be that bad if the republicans weren't such spineless cowards.

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12 hours ago, son-goku5 said:

Wouldn't be that bad if the republicans weren't such spineless cowards.

They went with Nixon until they didn’t - but it took years. Things are happening. The Southern Baptists have elected new leadership, so minds do change. If the tariffs cost jobs and hit prices, and Trump behaves like he says does in regard to justice, then those who sit out elections might get off their chairs and get out. Trump is still only at 40ish%. Let’s not tar the whole lot with the one brush. Not till 2020 maybe. That’ll be telling. But we’ll likely be back to pre-WW1 geo-politics. And now we know that getting a nuclear device is a ticket to the big leagues. It’s just been demonstrated. *sigh*

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On 6/16/2018 at 2:23 AM, JE7 said:

Just read the last few pages of the thread, the answer is simple if you have a problem with Trump dont vote for him.

Oh wait most of you cant. Worry about your own governments and let us chose ours. You may not approve of our choices but then we didn't ask you to.

 

 

Wait a minute I know you said most, but I am in agreement with of all the posts against Trump, and I see nothing wrong with facts in them against him. FYI I can vote in this country since I'm a US citizen. My opinion is valid, but so is that of people who are reasonable and present good arguments.  Asking to simply shut up is getting very defensive indeed. I thought the forum was a place where everybody had the right to voice their opinions. What do you think this is? Our country? Where no on is supposed to talk bad about Trump? Guess what. It's not, they have and there is no anything you can do about it (unless they break forum rules) in which case it is not even up to you to do anything about it.

On 6/16/2018 at 2:46 AM, JE7 said:

Non Americans opinions of our country or government matter to me not one bit.

But it seems the populist movements are rising every where, European style socialism is on life support and we are tired of being the western world's sheild and atm you can do whatever is in your country's best interest as we are now doing. 

But whether or not "the world" approves of our actions matters not at all. We are now looking out for ourselves nothing is stopping you from doing the same

Neville Chamberlain would love modern day europe and Winston Churchill is rolling in his grave

Back to talking about TBBT and enough of this you say in your reasons for editing your post?  I'm from right here (the ol' US of A).  And please, don't talk as if you represent all of us because you clearly don't. If don't want to talk about politics jus don't come to this sub forum, but if you do be prepared to listen to everybody's opinions.

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3 hours ago, Nogravitasatall said:

If the tariffs cost jobs and hit prices

They will. China has announced $50 billion worth of tariffs and almost 75% of those will hit Trump supporting areas (they are on agrigultural goods like soybeans, corn, wheat, beef, pork and seafood. Later, they might even add things like oil, natural gas, coal etc.

The problem (from an impact issue) is that those kinds of economic changes sometimes take years to impact the broad masses.

3 hours ago, Nogravitasatall said:

They went with Nixon until they didn’t - but it took years. Things are happening.

We're far away from Nixon. Under Nixon, the republicans weren't spineless cowards afraid of their base. That fear didn't start under Trump though, it began in 2010 when the tea bag people came to power and primary became a verb. Even if the Democrats gain control of congress and Mueller gives them a report that says Trump committed multiple impeachable offenses (which he did) and the Democrats vote for impeachment, I doubt the Senate would convict him unless they have 70+ Democrats there as well.

And quite frankly, even though I'm not a US citizen and I don't like what Trump is doing to the world with his stupidity, I don't want him impeached. I want the congress to be a real check on him and I want the voters to realize him to be the moron he is and vote him out of office. Impeachment would take the voters off the hook.

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1 hour ago, son-goku5 said:

They will. China has announced $50 billion worth of tariffs and almost 75% of those will hit Trump supporting areas (they are on agrigultural goods like soybeans, corn, wheat, beef, pork and seafood. Later, they might even add things like oil, natural gas, coal etc.

The problem (from an impact issue) is that those kinds of economic changes sometimes take years to impact the broad masses.

If Trump doubles down as he ever does, then maybe he will accelerate the impact. Who knows. Bonkers things are happening - ask Canada. People might pay attention.

1 hour ago, son-goku5 said:

We're far away from Nixon. Under Nixon, the republicans weren't spineless cowards afraid of their base. That fear didn't start under Trump though, it began in 2010 when the tea bag people came to power and primary became a verb. Even if the Democrats gain control of congress and Mueller gives them a report that says Trump committed multiple impeachable offenses (which he did) and the Democrats vote for impeachment, I doubt the Senate would convict him unless they have 70+ Democrats there as well.

I understand it took years of the Watergate investigation before action. We aren’t at years yet. True, it is not inspiring that only the retiring elected Republican members speak out. That more of the population isn’t concerned suprises me. Lies about Jade Helm got people’s knickers in twist but this doesn’t. It might be a slow burn (Well done Putin, what!).

1 hour ago, son-goku5 said:

And quite frankly, even though I'm not a US citizen and I don't like what Trump is doing to the world with his stupidity, I don't want him impeached. I want the congress to be a real check on him and I want the voters to realize him to be the moron he is and vote him out of office. 

^^^ 100% 

1 hour ago, son-goku5 said:

 Impeachment would take the voters off the hook.

Going by what I recall from high school studies about WW1, the Weimar Republic and some non-trivial effects from perceived unjust outcomes, the best outcome is an electoral one.  Self-determination and responsibility is a good thing. Otherwise... well.

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That said, maybe the world does get a Trump for life and a subsequent dynasty. At least Ivanka would put a woman on the $US currency.  It could be a real prospect. Imagine that. And, at least, if that happens and we see it, then we haven’t been incinerated. That’s a low bar I know. But hey...

 

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8 hours ago, Nogravitasatall said:

If Trump doubles down as he ever does, then maybe he will accelerate the impact. Who knows. Bonkers things are happening - ask Canada. People might pay attention.

Canada is looking at putting tariffs on Trump properties and companies, not on US goods.  Which I find hilarious.  

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On 6/15/2018 at 6:32 PM, ajond said:

No he couldn't, she destroyed them all.

Not nearly all of them and she was not and is not the only politician to use a private server for work e-mails. Trump does it himself.

 

Just to be clear, the following comment attributed to veejay, was a quote by veejay, from a JE7 post.

On 6/16/2018 at 3:09 AM, veejay said:

Non Americans opinions of our country or government matter to me not one bit.

Most of us are non Americans but are affected by what happens here.

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57 minutes ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

Not nearly all of them and she was not and is not the only politician to use a private server for work e-mails. Trump does it himself.

Most of us are non Americans but are affected by what happens here.

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Every country's foreign policy affects other countries. That's what it's for. Anyone on the receiving end should be free to comment. Whether or not such a freedom exists depends on the domestic policy of the country they live in. 

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3 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

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What is weird to me is that  this cruel policy of separating asylum seeking families gets defended and attacked by both sides by theological arguments that can spin both ways. But given that it’s government policy, not even law, then it doesn’t even need an appeal to a theological authority. It’s a dodgy form of argument. Imagine if we had used religious courts to argue law. Golly.

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On 6/16/2018 at 1:29 PM, Carlos said:

Right after Trump. After all the evidence presented you say...that? Your logic is flawed.

Hillary did collude with DNC to get her nominee. Tons of proof too that their is corruptness in her Foundation. And also her deleted emails. And also new evidence the FBI conspired againgst Trump. They did not want him to b president. Whole thing is pron a witch hunt. But Democracy ova their is horrible. 

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53 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

Hillary did collude with DNC to get her nominee. 

Which isn't illegal.  What is illegal is colluding with a foreign government.  

53 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

 Tons of proof too that their is corruptness in her Foundation.

Really? As independent rating agency "Charity Navagator"  has given the Clinton Foundation a total score of 94 out of 100.  There is also a very low concern about corruption in the charity.    Since the only problem, was the a justice department, investigation, spurred on by Trump pressuring them to open an investigation.  Otherwise, nothing.   Perhaps you know of and can point out specific instances of this corruption for us.

53 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

And also her deleted emails. 

What about them?   Two investigations headed by Republicans and and investigation headed by the FBI found no criminal conduct.  They did find lax security, but that wasn't shown to be criminal.   But, by all means, provide us with specific criminal acts for this.   

53 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

And also new evidence the FBI conspired againgst Trump. They did not want him to b president. 

No, there is no evidence of this.  The FBI IG found evidence that FBI agents did not like Trump.  But they are allowed to have those opinions.  But, the IG found that even though there was bias against Trump by individual agents, bias had no part in any of the decisions those agent made.  If you know of something different, by all means provide it to the FBI IG, so they can follow up on it.  The only people that are claiming the FBI conspired against Trump are Trump and his sycophants, in an effort to discredit the Mueller investigation.  It's Trump's way of trying to make it appear there isn't anything to the investigation.  

53 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

Whole thing is pron a witch hunt. 

A Witch Hunt?  Witch hunts are investigations that are conducted for no reason.   Here, there are plenty of reasons.   There have been five guilty pleas or convictions so far.  Along with 23 inditements of individuals or corporations.  That is not a witch hunt.  But again, do you have any evidence that the investigation is being conducted for no reason? 

 

 

 

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Trump and Netanyahu are one and the same. There are several investigations against Netanyahu for corruption, and against his wife for corruption and also maltreatment of PM house employees. They're being investigated over and over again. It is clear there is strong enough evidence at least in some of the cases and there have been various revealing recordings published. Yet Netanyahu (who'd do anything to keep his "reign", including the spreading racist lies) keeps saying it's the leftist media who is performing a witch hunt against him and his poor angelic wife. When the police says they have strong enough evidence to keep investigating he talks about various investigations ending without charges, because what does the impact of his words on people's cooperation with the police matter when his reign is in question. The really sad and maddening thing is that there is a very big group of people who takes his words over any evidence! It is becomimg absurd. It's like subtle brainwashing.

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