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3 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

The policeman has been disciplined and the neanderthal who obviously didn't know Puerto Rico is a US territory has been charged with disorderly conduct and assault. We had a similiar incident recently where a neanderthal like the other one started screaming at a woman talking a language he did not understand on a cell phone in a store. He told her she was in America and should speak English. She very sweetly told him she was speaking Navajo and if he wanted to speak English he should go to England.

Roaring with laughter at the Navajo comeuppance! I very much doubt that this same brute knows that the Navajo were instrumental in conveying secret Allied messages and helping to win the war. Thanks for the follow-up info on the park incident. I'm very glad to hear that the man might actually be held accountable.

3 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

I was laughing with a tour guide at Anne Hathaway's cottage recently about how I worked at a historical site where we were pleased to have had five generations of one family live. (Hathaway's is eleven.) We agreed that to Europe 200 years is nothing and in the States 200 miles is nothing. It was a wonderful conversation.

What a fantastic story! I remember overhearing a tourist taking a tour of my university, asking "Is that over 100 years old?" The person giving the tour replied, "Madam, that door is older than the United States." LOL! And yes, I am stunned at how vast America is. We can be in another country in at most a few hours. It takes days to drive across your country coast to coast.

3 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

Yes, they were deists, who had seen religious persecution up close. The XI article of the Treaty of Tripoli, passed by Congress in 1797, states that "The United States is in no sense founded upon the Christian doctrine."  Which is something not enough people know.

Oh this is very interesting, thanks for citing it. I have made a note to read the entire Treaty.

3 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

More than one casino went down. I don't know how Pence, being from Indiana, could keep his nose up Trump's backside for so long. I remember when Trump went into Gary, IN with the casino and the Miss America pageant and swore he was going to revitalize the city. In a few years the pageant was gone, the casino was bankrupt, sold, and the investors screwed over and Gary was worse off than when he started in there.

This sort of thing is to me Trump's greatest crime. He destroyed so many lives with greed and empty promises. I saw an interview with an Atlantic City contractor that broke my heart. His company was a medium sized fifth generation family business and he was contracted by Trump himself to do extensive work on the casino.

Trump found picayune fault with every bit of it and refused to pay ANY of the monumental bill. The man had refused all other work in order to meet the deadline. His reputation as the best in the business was shattered, he couldn't afford to continue with his lawsuit against Trump, and his company went bankrupt. The contractor's father (a man in perfect health) died shortly afterward of a massive stroke and the contractor looked one step from the grave himself.

That interview had me weeping and seething.

ETA: By the way, this interview was from years ago, long before he made his Presidential bid. It might even have been from when Trump was still a Democratic. (Remember that?)

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8 hours ago, GivesAWhit said:

And yes, I am stunned at how vast America is. We can be in another country in at most a few hours. It takes days to drive across your country coast to coast.

One way to think of it, is to think of each country in Europe, distance wise,  as the equivalent of a state.   Also, states can have different laws than other states.  I realize the equivalence is far from exact, but you can get an idea.  

 

 

From the Late Show YouTube channel.  German News covering Trump at the NATO meeting"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aZXPAHpGC8 

 

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13 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

Yes, they were deists, who had seen religious persecution up close. The XI article of the Treaty of Tripoli, passed by Congress in 1797, states that "The United States is in no sense founded upon the Christian doctrine."  Which is something not enough people know.

I did not know that. Yet, what I did know was faith in the Holy Spirit is largely what lead to the strong commitment to freedom in the formation of the United States.

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Williams, Hooker, Penn, and their friends were firmly convinced that freedom of conscience was the will of God. Williams gave the most profound argument: As faith is the free work of the Holy Spirit, it cannot be forced on a person. Therefore, strict separation of church and state has to be kept.[61] Pennsylvania was the only colony that retained unlimited religious freedom until the foundation of the United States in 1776. It was the inseparable connection between democracy, religious freedom, and the other forms of freedom which became the political and legal basis of the new nation. In particular, Baptists and Presbyterians demanded the disestablishment of state churches – Anglican and Congregationalist – and the protection of religious freedom.[62]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion#United_States

And I had read about that before because I was told my forefathers were Quakers who had settled in Pennsylvania (way back in the 1680s). My great Grandfather moved his family north to Southern Alberta for free land in the form of a homestead (around 1908). Not for any other reason.

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...but European settlement remained slow, with only about 1,000 non-Aboriginal people living in what is now Alberta. In 1896, however, the flood gates opened as new and fast-maturing varieties of hard spring wheat drew settlers from Canada, the United States and Europe. By 1901, the population had risen to 73,022; by 1911 it was 373,943. from https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/alberta-and-confederation/#h3_jump_2

 

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Sorry to change direction again so abruptly but I just had to check I wasn't dreaming : I was in bed listening to Up All Night when Trump came on and said, 'I told her what to do but she wasn't listening. I told her, but she wouldn't listen.' What country's leader goes into a meeting with another country's leader and comes out saying that ? 

Who goes to somebody else's country and tells them how to run it ? Is he so deluded he thinks that's what he came for ? This was not a reporter scrambling a politician's words out of context. It was his own voice and he sounded demented.

I may have misquoted slightly because I wasn't fully awake. Did anybody else hear that ? I almost hope I'm the one who imagines things.

This crazy bugger has his finger on the button. On second thoughts I might not be off topic. Nothing is going to fix this but prayer. May the Lord arrange for the people in white coats to meet him off his own plane.

Nobody is immune to mental illness. There's no vaccine for it and it must be a terrible thing to go through. There are some good medicines these days. Get him into a good hospital now, Lord,please. Before somebody shoots the silly sod.

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4 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

Who goes to somebody else's country and tells them how to run it ? Is he so deluded he thinks that's what he came for ? This was not a reporter scrambling a politician's words out of context. It was his own voice and he sounded demented.

I may have misquoted slightly because I wasn't fully awake. Did anybody else hear that ? I almost hope I'm the one who imagines things.

I don't know what he actually thinks but it seems this stuff resonates with his base of support. In that respect being separated from reality does not necessarily make him crazy. Like a sales man he says what he thinks his base is wanting to hear.

I have a chance to listen to some news now as my daughter is done her shift. I have not heard today's news yet.

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1 minute ago, djsurrey said:

I don't know what he actually thinks but it seems this stuff resonates with his base of support. In that respect being separated from reality does not necessarily make him crazy. Like a sales man he says what he thinks his base is wanting to hear.

I have a chance to listen to some news now as my daughter is done her shift. I have not heard today's news yet.

When there's an American election on, OTT reporters refer to the president as 'The leader of the western world' to make it sound dramatic. He/She is of course no such thing. Is it possible Trump has heard this and believes it ? 

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40 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

Sorry to change direction again so abruptly but I just had to check I wasn't dreaming :

My God, it's so much worse than the snippet you heard. Here is a link to the entire Trump interview. The man is completely off the rails. I honestly have no words. 😶

Trump interview with The Sun

Be sure to scroll down the entire page to catch it all. And the bloody Sun reporters gave him a Three Lions football jersey! Now that's a sacrilege. 🤬

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24 minutes ago, GivesAWhit said:

My God, it's so much worse than the snippet you heard. Here is a link to the entire Trump interview. The man is completely off the rails. I honestly have no words. 😶

Trump interview with The Sun

Breathtaking ! (And not in the admiring way .) Most Londoners agree with him. Sadiq Khan is responsible for terrorism. He represents people of Europe because there are people from Europe in his country. Immigration has changed the character of Europe. He also mentioned our 'president' at one point.

I was waiting for the 'Bazinga !' but it never came.

God save our gracious Queen. May she not hit him with a golf club.

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54 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

When there's an American election on, OTT reporters refer to the president as 'The leader of the western world' to make it sound dramatic. He/She is of course no such thing. Is it possible Trump has heard this and believes it ? 

Oh, I suspect he like many think the USA is the greatest country on earth. I think it has a greatness but not for the reasons he does. I think he is a bully.

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Just now, djsurrey said:

Oh, I suspect he like many think the USA is the greatest country on earth. I think it has a greatness but not for the reasons he does. I think he is a bully.

Well it's big !  It's taken the place of the BBC, IMHOA, when it comes to making good sitcoms. Its language and customs are spreading : in a trailer for a soap the other day somebody was talking about a baby shower. For many years it didn't pay its share of the UN budget. I don't know whether it does now. Trump's banging his gums about paying for NATO. He may for once be correctly informed about that, who knows. He says he's protecting Europe. Goodness knows what he thinks from, nor what he thinks Europe's own forces are doing apart from backing up US troops elsewhere.

It's normal enough, I daresay, to think one's own country is the greatest on Earth. Like thinking one's mother is the best cook in the world and one's father is the handsomest man. I grew out of those last two. When I won a prize on Mayim's website they were not allowed to send it to me because I lived outside the United States. Mayim said I shouldn't be sad  because living in Britain meant I already had a great prize.

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4 hours ago, Tensor said:

From the Late Show YouTube channel.  German News covering Trump at the NATO meeting"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aZXPAHpGC8

"Fake News" at its best! ROTFLMFAO

 

1 hour ago, GivesAWhit said:

My God, it's so much worse than the snippet you heard. Here is a link to the entire Trump interview. The man is completely off the rails. I honestly have no words. 😶

Trump interview with The Sun

Be sure to scroll down the entire page to catch it all. And the bloody Sun reporters gave him a Three Lions football jersey! Now that's a sacrilege. 🤬

Thanks for the heads up!
Johnson tipped as future PM
That was the second headline I guess. The story of weird cowards drool over the lead still continues. GSTQ

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2 hours ago, joyceraye said:

Trump's banging his gums about paying for NATO. He may for once be correctly informed about that, who knows. He says he's protecting Europe. Goodness knows what he thinks from, nor what he thinks Europe's own forces are doing apart from backing up US troops elsewhere.

He says a lot of stuff that is just wrong. The issue is the amount of GNP nations spend on defense. There is no paying for NATO as though there was some NATO dues to pay. The US has an enormous military and big stock pile of nuclear weapons. The US deal with NATO includes the US controlling the big stockpile and the rest of NATO not doing that. No one wants nuclear weapons proliferating around the world.

Also (not part of NATO but part of US defense spending) at the end of WWII the US did not want Japan to have a standing army. The deal was the US would provide the protection and Japan would become pacifists. They also keep a presence in South Korea.

Anyway I was wanting to make the point the US provides a Nuclear umbrella for NATO partly because they don't want big stockpiles all over Europe not under their control. For one thing there is no conventional army threatening to roll over the US. There was a big threat during the cold war to Europe as the USSR had a huge conventional army. Can't have ICBM's where they can be captured. ICBM's can be re-targeted.

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NATO is why for the most part there has been peace in Europe since WW2. It would be foolish to cut funding or dismantle NATO especially with Russia continuing to act nefariously under its dictator.

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4 hours ago, joyceraye said:

Sorry to change direction again so abruptly but I just had to check I wasn't dreaming : I was in bed listening to Up All Night when Trump came on and said, 'I told her what to do but she wasn't listening. I told her, but she wouldn't listen.' What country's leader goes into a meeting with another country's leader and comes out saying that ? 

Who goes to somebody else's country and tells them how to run it ? Is he so deluded he thinks that's what he came for ? This was not a reporter scrambling a politician's words out of context. It was his own voice and he sounded demented.

Remember, Trump also seems to think that NATO is a protection racket and other countries have to pay fees to the US.

 

4 hours ago, joyceraye said:

When there's an American election on, OTT reporters refer to the president as 'The leader of the western world' to make it sound dramatic. He/She is of course no such thing. Is it possible Trump has heard this and believes it ? 

I liked the headlines when Merkel went to vistit the US in 2017. "The leader of the free world meets with Donald Trump." The world press already knows how weak Trump is.

3 hours ago, joyceraye said:

God save our gracious Queen. May she not hit him with a golf club.

Why not? She's old and could make it look like an accident. Take a swing and hit him.

21 minutes ago, djsurrey said:

Also (not part of NATO but part of US defense spending) at the end of WWII the US did not want Japan to have a standing army. The deal was the US would provide the protection and Japan would become pacifists. They also keep a presence in South Korea. 

That's the problem with the US. The US is a wannabe empire. Every time they freed a country, they never left.

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Trump's only interest is in supporting the national weapons industry. It's simply absurd to argue on kindergarten level with any calculation examples. Humanity ultimately doesn't care whether it is bombed to extinction once or several times.
Btw. France and the UK have their own nuclear weapons, which should be sufficient to protect Europe. But that would destroy all the beautiful sandbox games.

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3 minutes ago, veejay said:

Trump's only interest is in supporting the national weapons industry.

Actually, that's the republicans. Trump's only interest is lining his own pockets, not being seen as a failure (which he will be) and of course not go to jail.

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26 minutes ago, djsurrey said:

He says a lot of stuff that is just wrong. The issue is the amount of GNP nations spend on defense. There is no paying for NATO as though there was some NATO dues to pay. The US has an enormous military and big stock pile of nuclear weapons. The US deal with NATO includes the US controlling the big stockpile and the rest of NATO not doing that. No one wants nuclear weapons proliferating around the world.

Also (not part of NATO but part of US defense spending) at the end of WWII the US did not want Japan to have a standing army. The deal was the US would provide the protection and Japan would become pacifists. They also keep a presence in South Korea.

Anyway I was wanting to make the point the US provides a Nuclear umbrella for NATO partly because they don't want big stockpiles all over Europe not under their control. For one thing there is no conventional army threatening to roll over the US. There was a big threat during the cold war to Europe as the USSR had a huge conventional army. Can't have ICBM's where they can be captured. ICBM's can be re-targeted.

Bold :you are absolutely right. It's nearly sixty years since we learned about NATO at school so I assumed I was the muddled one. This is why Trump thought he had the right to say  we ought to spend more on defence instead of heating our homes in cold weather. Actually I think we have some nuclear capability in England and Scotland ( or did have ) owned jointly with the Americans. 

Value for money doesn't necessarily mean spending more. 

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19 minutes ago, son-goku5 said:

That's the problem with the US. The US is a wannabe empire. Every time they freed a country, they never left.

I disagree. The biggest problem today is Trump is walking through trade , NATO, the UK and the international order like a rototiller.

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52 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

Actually I think we have some nuclear capability in England and Scotland ( or did have ) owned jointly with the Americans. 

Some. (from http://www.euronews.com/2017/07/03/nato-fears-could-push-europe-towards-more-nuclear-weapons)

675x788_bonus-nuclear-weapons-v3.jpg

 

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35 minutes ago, djsurrey said:

Some. (from http://www.euronews.com/2017/07/03/nato-fears-could-push-europe-towards-more-nuclear-weapons)

675x788_bonus-nuclear-weapons-v3.jpg

 

See, kindergarten. One beats the other, "deadpan".

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2 hours ago, son-goku5 said:

Remember, Trump also seems to think that NATO is a protection racket and other countries have to pay fees to the US.

It does come across that way.  But even more than that he appears to want to create chaos in other countries. Kiss his ring or else.

 

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5 hours ago, GivesAWhit said:

My God, it's so much worse than the snippet you heard. Here is a link to the entire Trump interview. The man is completely off the rails. I honestly have no words. 😶

Trump interview with The Sun

Be sure to scroll down the entire page to catch it all. And the bloody Sun reporters gave him a Three Lions football jersey! Now that's a sacrilege. 🤬

I read over parts of it, and those stood out to me (other stuff was just as frightening)

When talking about Brexit:

Trump: I would have done it much differently. I actually told Theresa May how to do it, but she didn't agree, she didn't listen to me.

Reporter: What did you say?

Trump: She didn't listen. No, I told her how to do it. That will be up to her to say. But I told her how to do it. She wanted to go a different route.

translation: I have no idea what Brexit is and I told Theresa May nothing about it. I'm just bragging here. But another example of Trump wanting to make decisions for other countries.

Or this "gem":

Trump: The GDP since I've taken over has doubled and tripled.

One more time that Trump, the "greatest businessman" has no idea how the economy works and what the GDP actually is. Also, he doesn't seem able to decide if it has doubled or tripled (and it was neither). The thing is, this lie will be believed only by the stupid people who still think he's doing a good job.

And did I read it correctly that he was endorsing Boris Johnson for Prime Minister while he was on state visit in a country lead by someone not named Boris Johnson?

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